I have seen a few people offer to contribute so I setup a fund for the developers to be motivated by. I will personally added to the fund. I
http://www.gofundme.com/dbtm54
I would really like a dual boot option so lets see if we can raise at least $1000. I would like to think we can raise more but at least this is a start. I would imagine if we can raise more like $10,000 we would have some fairly motivated developers and all of us will benefit.
So what happens to the money if nobody manages to develop a dual boot method?
Victor Fries said:
So what happens to the money if nobody manages to develop a dual boot method?
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Fixed. if its not collected all contributions will be refunded.
KCHASE731 said:
Fixed. if its not collected all contributions will be refunded.
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Maybe you should add a deadline as well. I don't mean to offend or accuse you of any misdoing, but I'd be apprehensive to contribute to this bounty. To contribute to any bounty hosted by someone with little presence in the community. Placing trust in an unknown person online can be risky. There's really nothing binding you to deliver or refund the bounty.
These questions above always arise in these form of threads. I myself won't participate for the same reasons. I have no advantage in these situations, my M8 runs wonderful on android. But everybody is entitled to their own opinion and i'm not saying these threads are bad at all so don't shoot me on my personal opinion.
If a dev wants to do it than he should do it out of free will and the stimulation of getting paid by a bounty is in my opinion not xda in it's purest form. XDA should be/was a place to share knowledge and development for free.
Hope you guys succeed with the bounty. Cheers and a good evening.
I believe this bounty is a bit premature. It's a great idea of course, but why don't we wait until the phone and it's software is actually released by HTC? Then people can get to modding it.
Art2Fly said:
I believe this bounty is a bit premature. It's a great idea of course, but why don't we wait until the phone and it's software is actually released by HTC? Then people can get to modding it.
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I'm pretty sure the phone and software has been released already..its in Verizon stores.
Before we all go off topic only here, as its a bounty thread and didn't mean to get this closed up before it even came off the ground....
Discussion :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2852507
in before locked....
We (XDA) generally don't get involved in bounty threads. It's up to the individual if they wish to give out money. XDA will not be held responsible for any lost cash.
Though personally, I would suggest you look at how other bounty threads are done. Generally you only "pledge" an amount and record it in a thread. You don't actually PAY anything until the development is complete.
And this is extremely premature. No one even has a copy of the files required to develop this.
the_scotsman said:
We (XDA) generally don't get involved in bounty threads. It's up to the individual if they wish to give out money. XDA will not be held responsible for any lost cash.
Though personally, I would suggest you look at how other bounty threads are done. Generally you only "pledge" an amount and record it in a thread. You don't actually PAY anything until the development is complete.
And this is extremely premature. No one even has a copy of the files required to develop this.
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Not my intentions to mislead anyone. I was simply reading other threads and several people had offered funds but it's wasn't being centrally managed. If there is a better way than by means do it. My whole point is a formal fun shows commitment by community members. If developers see that commitment they are more likely to invest time on a project. I personally do not have the ability to contribute to this on a technical side, but I can put my money where my mouth is and express my interest.
Lastly there is a way to only plede with out providing funds until the whole project is completed. That's what I would recommend people do
The developer of Multirom had a Kickstart campaign to buy him a 2013 N7 so he could have the device to develop Multirom on.
Why not ask if he's interested in repeating that with the M8?
Unless he says it's simply not possible.
Just switched from the note 3 to the HTC one m8 for windows. Not a dev but if I can be of any help I would be more than willing.
Icedapimp81 said:
Just switched from the note 3 to the HTC one m8 for windows. Not a dev but if I can be of any help I would be more than willing.
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Maybe come to the other thread on the WP M8 and tell us how it is... I am interested if WP software the camera better....
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KCHASE731 said:
I have seen a few people offer to contribute so I setup a fund for the developers to be motivated by. I will personally added to the fund. I
http://www.gofundme.com/dbtm54
I would really like a dual boot option so lets see if we can raise at least $1000. I would like to think we can raise more but at least this is a start. I would imagine if we can raise more like $10,000 we would have some fairly motivated developers and all of us will benefit.
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I would do a spell check before hoping to get folks to trust...
"BOUNTY- This fund is being setup for people to contribute twards a bounty for developers to create a Windows Phone 8.1 and Android dual boot option for the HTC One m8. The reward will be sent to the individual or team that develops a confirmed dual boot method. If the bounty is not collected, all dontations will be refunded."
Let's do this
Sent from my HTC One_M8 using XDA Free mobile app
KJ said:
The developer of Multirom had a Kickstart campaign to buy him a 2013 N7 so he could have the device to develop Multirom on.
Why not ask if he's interested in repeating that with the M8?
Unless he says it's simply not possible.
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Multirom will not help boot WP8.1 on the M8. Multirom uses a few tricks to boot linux kernel based OSes, the windows kernel cannot be leveraged in using this technique.
lilstevie said:
Multirom will not help boot WP8.1 on the M8. Multirom uses a few tricks to boot linux kernel based OSes, the windows kernel cannot be leveraged in using this technique.
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Thanks Mr Bearer of Bad News, Harbinger of WP Death!!! LoL
[emoji56] Just kidding, then all this is for nothing. Oh well, so no multirom for WP8. I wonder if just installing WP and replacing the Android is an option?
Oditius said:
[emoji56] Just kidding, then all this is for nothing. Oh well, so no multirom for WP8. I wonder if just installing WP and replacing the Android is an option?
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That isn't what I said what I said is that multirom isn't appropriate for this
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That isn't what I said what I said is that multirom isn't appropriate for this
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Now you have me confused. This is "Dual Boot" or "Multi-Rom" I am not sure of which is what. All I wanted to know is "Is it possible to have both WP and Android on the same phone? If not, will it be possible to replace the Android with WP?" Either way is fine with me, since I have 2 or the M8's available to use.
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Now you have me confused. This is "Dual Boot" or "Multi-Rom" I am not sure of which is what. All I wanted to know is "Is it possible to have both WP and Android on the same phone? If not, will it be possible to replace the Android with WP?" Either way is fine with me, since I have 2 or the M8's available to use.
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I agree. I would like to be able to swith from android to wp and then back to android
Related
Darkstone has a lot of bad news for us. The genius is leaving us for university and now he lost his files and his HD2. Let us get up in arms and donate to replace the genius' HD2.
OOPs! Is it against the rules of the forum?
Whoa! I really appreciate the thoughtfulness but this really isn't necessary!
I sold the HD2, it's no longer in my possession, I didn't lose it xD
I'm always keeping my eye on this forum though
And my files were lost because I got a new laptop and didn't backup the files on my old laptop before selling it
If anyone wants to donate, I highly recommend donating to the developers of the HD2 kernel!
Thanks anyway though
don know y peeps wants to make money out of this site....every devs r retiring becuz they wants to make money,,,bottom line
building a build not of a big deal but the main ingredient for hd2 on android is the haret or kernel or magdlr that made possible by cottula
Which build do you recommend to use except yours darkstone? Mdeejay ?
Is HTC Desire still the best source and will it continue to be so for the unforseen future?
(I heard you have plans of a converter, but I'd like an optimized build with user community)
Thanks btw, been enjoying your builds since day 1!
the main ingredient for ignorant trolls are ignoring and trolling. Why wont you contribute if it's so easy. It's team work that matters, not the individual apps and modules that you mentioned.
No wonder you are a Yankee, you egocentric pessimistic airhead. Because of people like you is the real reason why Devs prefer to make Paid apps instead.
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the main ingredient for ignorant trolls are ignoring and trolling. Why wont you contribute if it's so easy. It's team work that matters, not the individual apps and modules that you mentioned.
No wonder you are a Yankee, you egocentric pessimistic airhead. Because of people like you is the real reason why Devs prefer to make Paid apps instead.
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lol, yankee nothing. he is from bangladesh according to his profile. and the broken english speaks to that effect. though i do not agree with his comments, i appreciate the attempt at speaking english, unlike many other people on this forum........ you know who you are, so dont just sit there going 'que?'
shadowhacker27 said:
the main ingredient for ignorant trolls are ignoring and trolling. Why wont you contribute if it's so easy. It's team work that matters, not the individual apps and modules that you mentioned.
No wonder you are a Yankee, you egocentric pessimistic airhead. Because of people like you is the real reason why Devs prefer to make Paid apps instead.
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And thats y they have market,appstore n market place
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U sounds like mexicano n chino hybrid.go hybrid
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malaeus said:
lol, yankee nothing. he is from bangladesh according to his profile. and the broken english speaks to that effect. though i do not agree with his comments, i appreciate the attempt at speaking english, unlike many other people on this forum........ you know who you are, so dont just sit there going 'que?'
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U sounds like mexicano n chino hybrid.go hybrid
Maricono. thauni ma... hohoho
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ronyalam said:
don know y peeps wants to make money out of this site....every devs r retiring becuz they wants to make money,,,bottom line
building a build not of a big deal but the main ingredient for hd2 on android is the haret or kernel or magdlr that made possible by cottula
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Well, if it's not a big deal where is the link to your own build? Time is money. If the dev wastes his time to give us a cause to brag about our HD2 why is it wrong for him/her to expect support from the users who can appreciate his/her genius? You expect a dev to spend a whole day torturing his brain cells to write codes while he is feeding his belly with air?
I am not a developer. I just love technology and i am just amazed by it and those talents behind it. Take the time to appreciate the magic of what seems trivial like sending a picture wireless to a computer.That is priceless!
When I win the lottery I'll have a special fund set up just for those enthusiastic devs working for free.
Be satisfied in everchanging world
Guys,
All developers have done a great job. I am one of non-developers enjoying builds from various developers starting magician. HD2 was alone last year with hardware capabilities it has. Following recent releases of newer phone with similar or even better hardware with native android support from HTC, requirements of HD2 based android will go down and interest from developers will shift to develop based on new hardware..
Whatever developers have given so far was also beyond thoughts last year. So, I am happy and satisafied with what we have today on this forum. May be some developers are still developeing further. How far we can go? may be sucess in using fully developed Desire HD on HD2 ? Anything beyond that would be not worth waiting without returns. Develpers are entitled to earn something why not!!
Sorry for anything I may have mentioned hurting anybody. Sorry for that.
AS
without dev's hard work and effort, there is no way that your hd2 can perform so well! Originally its just so normal and not much to play with... See now, our hd2 can perform so well and even using android, i'm grateful for all their great efforts.
Fundraising? Count me in!
DarkStone1337 said:
Whoa! I really appreciate the thoughtfulness but this really isn't necessary!
I sold the HD2, it's no longer in my possession, I didn't lose it xD
I'm always keeping my eye on this forum though
And my files were lost because I got a new laptop and didn't backup the files on my old laptop before selling it
If anyone wants to donate, I highly recommend donating to the developers of the HD2 kernel!
Thanks anyway though
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As DarkStone1337 said, he did not lose the phone - he willingly sold it.
I'll close this thread for now, as it would appear it was started solely to solicit donations, despite them not being aware of this.
miphonematt said:
I think I have some sort of structure now. It's insanely buggy. It fails ALMOST immediately. At least it sort of tries to boot WP7... sort of. I still have quite a bit of research and trial and error still to come, but I believe I'm on to something where before I really felt like I was stabbing in the dark. Trap the errors, trap the errors, trap the errors and debuuuuuuuug.
I think I might be going insane haha.......I look forward to the day that I have something worth posting......so shut down....naysayers. We're still a ways from that day still unfortunately.
[.....]My apprearances may be scarce for the next 4 days.......I'll be back for certain.
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Opening up a Nexus One thread.
wow holy revers kirfing batman they beat us to it
KIRF=keeping it real fake lol
apocali3
So yeah This is the thread for the Project 7 Evo(Temp. name.) we are currently calling this a Project. We must be patient. This will take several months to complete.
so vote on the Poll what you are wanting to run on your EVO
vote this thread also to be on the front page.
Windows Phone 7 on the HTC EVO 4G, imagine the possibilities
Development so far
Myn(developer)
miphonematt (developer)
Lui22(tester[if the team agrees on it])
PEOPLE WHOM MIGHT BE A GREAT CONTRIBUTOR
Echoside(maybe)
.....
The list will grow
the bounty is
jlechner said:
Is anyone keeping a list of the "b" word? If so, put me down for $100 as well.
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aimbdd said:
yeah. for everyone in this thread we are at about 275
535 including both threads.
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Thank you aimbdd for keeping count!!!!
miphonematt said:
I'd also like to level set with all the folks that are anxious to get WP7 on their EVO. I guarantee you that this is at least 60 days out until it is safe enough for anyone other than the dev(s) to test/flash.
We should add the word "Project" to the Subject of this thread. We should also add the rule "Do Not Ask for an ETA" in Bold, All Caps, bright red text. That is by far one of The Most irritating things to a dev, and I've known it to cause devs to not post progress updates. That is the number 1 rule of etiquette for projects like this. I hope everyone in this thread can understand and respect that.
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these changes have been applied for the greater good
overground; said:
Originally Posted by overground
We allow these, but do not heavily moderate them. If things turn sour, most we're going to do is close the thread. I recently closed and subsequently reopened one of these....kinda the same policy as the MP...hands off / donator beware.
jwzg said:
Overground is also a Sr. Mod. Please do NOT report a bounty thread unless there are flames or someone has been scammed. Other than that, we'll keep a close eye on it.
Nuff said. The moderators.
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Dear Devs,
We thank you for your service. We thank you for all the new roms that make our devices unique. We thank you for the apps that you built for us, that make our phones ours not the companies. Because of you we can express our individuality.
With that being said, we ask one more thing from you. We ask you to take our devices to the next level. We ask you to push the borders once again. Let us all come together and create a TRULY COMMUNITY BUILT PORT of WP7 for our devices. A difficult feat none the less, but we can do it, TOGETHER.
Personally I think we can build this project to rival Cyanogen mod, rival not in our perice of software is better then yours but in that the amount of community members and, contributions of sofware, are friendyer and more together. Rivals and friends at the same time.
This is an open bounty for any team of developers that can get a working port of WP7 that boots and can at least have Wi-Fi working.
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Reserved for Rules
1. No negative remarks
2. Our Purpose here is to help eachother so lets do that.
3. No Gloating.
4. No saying negative remarks about other devs, or community members.
5. Pressing the "Thanks" button every time someone finds something is greatly encouraged.
6. STAY ON TOPIC!!!!
7. Only dev teams can mention anything about license.
8. DO NOT ASK FOR ETA's remember this is a project no guarentee of complete succes....., as of yet
9. Just because you can post does not mean you should do it. Post things that are of some worth to the project
it's great to see wp7 working on evo
im in to help since i know a little windows
ill be talking to people about how this needs to pan out while out to sea this week and will update this post as things come in.
thanks guys tell as many people as you can and vote for this thread!!
I PM'd an HD2 developer about what we need to make this work. I don't know what half of this stuff is.
Original Message:
Hi
First of all you will need a "magldr" for your device.
without being able to flash it it's not possible at all.
i guess you need to talk to cotulla about this.
You also need proper drivers for the hardware (this will be a problem i guess)..
i wish you good luck.
Xda-Member: hd2owner
**still ready to beta test
Hopefully this thread actually gets off the ground. I would absolutely LOVE for this to eventually be a reality.
The HTC Evo does not have a Windows Mobile license...
License?
Oh, that... it's for purely educational purposes LOL
We don't want to really run wp7... just see if it will!
Tapatalked from my SUpersonic...
I am sure Microsoft would hate if more people used windows phone 7 and purchased from their market... N2m several people pointed out in the last thread that hd2 isnt liscensed for wp7 either. Anyways I am good for 25 with working netflix :-D
derekwilkinson said:
The HTC Evo does not have a Windows Mobile license...
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hd2 doesnt have a wp7 license either.
hopefully someone will pick this up i would try out wp7.
This is going to die real fast,lol, and i dont think it should be ported even if it could, if you wanted this you should have bought a WP7 instead of evo.
ThatSmartB0y said:
This is going to die real fast,lol, and i dont think it should be ported even if it could, if you wanted this you should have bought a WP7 instead of evo.
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That's one of the most idiotic statements I've ever read. Most of us bought Evos over 7 months ago, before WP7 was even released. Now we want to be able to run WP7, just like the HD2 users can.
And I think it's ridiculous if this thread, or this whole movement is shut down by the mods. Neither the HD2 nor the Evo have Windows Phone 7 licenses. If they can do it, so can we.
bjb_nyj101 said:
That's one of the most idiotic statements I've ever heard. Most of us bought Evos over 7 months ago, before WP7 was even released. Now we want to be able to run WP7, just like the HD2 users can.
And I think it's ridiculous if this thread, or this whole movement is shut down by the mods. Neither the HD2 nor the Evo have Windows Phone 7 licenses. If they can do it, so can we.
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umm...at&t is always open to new customers...or amazon is preordering the htc arriveWP7 on sprint) for 50 bucks.
Stay on topic. Don't even respond to negative people or it'll just get deleted again.
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ThatSmartB0y said:
umm...at&t is always open to new customers...or amazon is preordering the htc arriveWP7 on sprint) for 50 bucks.
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umm that deal is for new customers if someone has an evo im guessing they have a contract with sprint already...anymore arguments?
jersey221 said:
umm that deal is for new customers if someone has an evo im guessing they have a contract with sprint already...anymore arguments?
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let me think...well theres always digging into you bank acc and ending you contract early then going to at&t
http://forum.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?p=744808#post744808
i will not host the project on this site. we do need a dev, the thread is now located here.
ThatSmartB0y said:
let me think...well theres always digging into you bank acc and ending you contract early then going to at&t
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by that post you pretty much just said you have no other valid arguments...
Today is the new rebirth of the Nexus One. The Future is near.
Windows Phone 7 for the Nexus One is up for grabs for any developer who thinks they can handle this feat.
I have built a sister thread to this in the Evo 4g Development site.
Further down is some information of our progress.
We have a small team working on the Evo 4g but we need more people to help work on this for the Nexus One. Think of this as CM7 but instead of AOSP - WP7
EVO
miphonematt said:
I think I have some sort of structure now. It's insanely buggy. It fails ALMOST immediately. At least it sort of tries to boot WP7... sort of. I still have quite a bit of research and trial and error still to come, but I believe I'm on to something where before I really felt like I was stabbing in the dark. Trap the errors, trap the errors, trap the errors and debuuuuuuuug.
I think I might be going insane haha.......I look forward to the day that I have something worth posting......so shut down....naysayers. We're still a ways from that day still unfortunately.
[.....]My apprearances may be scarce for the next 4 days.......I'll be back for certain.
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Opening up a Nexus One thread.
wow holy revers kirfing batman they beat us to it
KIRF=keeping it real fake lol
apocali3
So yeah This is the thread for the Project 7 Evo(Temp. name.) we are currently calling this a Project. We must be patient. This will take several months to complete.
so vote on the Poll what you are wanting to run on your EVO
vote this thread also to be on the front page.
Windows Phone 7 on the HTC EVO 4G, imagine the possibilities
Development so far
Myn(developer)
miphonematt (developer)
Lui22(tester[if the team agrees on it])
PEOPLE WHOM MIGHT BE A GREAT CONTRIBUTOR
Echoside(maybe)
.....
The list will grow
miphonematt said:
I'd also like to level set with all the folks that are anxious to get WP7 on their EVO. I guarantee you that this is at least 60 days out until it is safe enough for anyone other than the dev(s) to test/flash.
We should add the word "Project" to the Subject of this thread. We should also add the rule "Do Not Ask for an ETA" in Bold, All Caps, bright red text. That is by far one of The Most irritating things to a dev, and I've known it to cause devs to not post progress updates. That is the number 1 rule of etiquette for projects like this. I hope everyone in this thread can understand and respect that.
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these changes have been applied for the greater good
overground; said:
We allow these, but do not heavily moderate them. If things turn sour, most we're going to do is close the thread. I recently closed and subsequently reopened one of these....kinda the same policy as the MP...hands off / donator beware.
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jwzg said:
Overground is also a Sr. Mod. Please do NOT report a bounty thread unless there are flames or someone has been scammed. Other than that, we'll keep a close eye on it.
Nuff said. The moderators.
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Dear Devs,
We thank you for your service. We thank you for all the new roms that make our devices unique. We thank you for the apps that you built for us, that make our phones ours not the companies. Because of you we can express our individuality.
With that being said, we ask one more thing from you. We ask you to take our devices to the next level. We ask you to push the borders once again. Let us all come together and create a TRULY COMMUNITY BUILT PORT of WP7 for our devices. A difficult feat none the less, but we can do it, TOGETHER.
Personally I think we can build this project to rival Cyanogen mod, rival not in our perice of software is better then yours but in that the amount of community members and, contributions of sofware, are friendyer and more together. Rivals and friends at the same time.
This is an open bounty for any team of developers that can get a working port of WP7 that boots and can at least have Wi-Fi working.
Reserved for Rules
1. No negative remarks
2. Our Purpose here is to help eachother so lets do that.
3. No Gloating.
4. No saying negative remarks about other devs, or community members.
5. Pressing the "Thanks" button every time someone finds something is greatly encouraged.
6. STAY ON TOPIC!!!!
7. Only dev teams can mention anything about license.
8. DO NOT ASK FOR ETA's remember this is a project no guarentee of complete succes....., as of yet
9. Just because you can post does not mean you should do it. Post things that are of some worth to the project
You guys are doing great job. Keep it up. We are waiting for the final release. Thanks
Great job man. Keep it up
Great job man!
Keep it up
make our Nexus One more fun
Keep up the good work , a dual booting nexus one is a good idea !
it's really nice,good job
Cool
Wow, this project is awesome I hope this will be the remark of nexus one's revival
we need more devs please step up
Thread moved, as there is no active development going on in the thread. Once there is actual development happening in the thread, PM me, and I'll move it.
Seems like you've got a really neat project on your hands but your rules post comes off as really entitled and arrogant. Good luck with your work.
I'm pretty excited by this! Just the kind of thing to breathe some new life into my N1. The dual-boot option, if feasible, sounds like a really neat idea.
Hi. Just wondering, has there been any movement since? Thanks.
Wylker said:
your rules post comes off as really entitled and arrogant.
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what do you mean?
the project is paused until moar devs come up to the plate
Mod Edit: This thread is not how to properly appeal a decision. Learn some respect, and take a gander at this post. First, and only, warning to all involved in this thread.
Love his ROMs.
shoestring789 said:
Im sure this thread will get removed or closed and I will get punished like a child thats misbehaving, but I feel that in a community based forum that is designed for people to come together and share ideas and teach one another, that one of the BEST developers of some of the most, if not THE most, stable ROMS gets denied a status as RECOGNIZED DEVELOPER by the same community administators that Im sure USE or HAVE USED his ROMS is flat idiotic and ridiculous!! This thread is just to let people know whats going on with the "higher ups" of XDA. Hope a few people get to see this anyways before either its gone, Im gone, or both!!!
PS - THERE IS A PETITION IN THE GENERAL SECTION!! GO SIGN IT!!
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not sure what the issue is, did he ask to have the recognized developer status or just doesn't have it yet?
I've seen quite a few copy and pasters throw roms together from other people's work (direct porting with our boot image and build prop tweaks, swapping apns, libs and eri's etc., even I can do that and will never claim to be a developer), or just compile straight from cm source and they have the recognized developer status... I was under the impression that it wasn't that hard to get....?
That said, I haven't used his roms, but I hear good things and I'm not sure why he wouldn't be worthy of the developer status
He asked and was denied
moderators are few and especially in this section. I wouldn't be surprised if they stayed up for days.
I support Nils and all his work. He's a great guy and an excellent developer, I don't see how they could not recognize him with the rest of the developers when he has done so much in this community.
I have been as impressed with his work about as much as anyone else's. I would love to know the details behind that decision being made.
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Ya know.... I'm pretty tired of the *****ing & whining here on XDA lately. Who gives a ****? IT'S THE INTERNET, not a promotion at a job, new girlfriend or car.
Removed by me
I started off wrong. My apologies.
I appreciate all the hard work and believe every developer is due their recognition but...
Dmadrid98 said:
Ya know.... I'm pretty tired of the *****ing & whining here on XDA lately. Who gives a ****? IT'S THE INTERNET, not a promotion at a job, new girlfriend or car.
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Life will go on.
Developing ain't for sissie's
Dmadrid98 said:
I started off wrong. My apologies.
I appreciate all the hard work and believe every developer is due their recognition but...
Life will go on.
Developing ain't for sissie's
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No problem. Thanks Bud.
YOUR FONT IS TOO SMALL
I agree 100%. This is crap.
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I 100% agree that this is crap.
If I'm not mistaken Nil's has been the only DEV supporting this phone since the beginning.I know personally that he answers questions and shares information. So hopefully the powers that be will reconsider.
no, lets give all the credit to AOSP developers and people who throw crap together from other roms and claim "it's a tottaly new rom! " this is f'ing stupid, XDA.
At this point it would be my guess that you have to make or be a part of a breakthrough of some sort in order to be recognized. A stable rom isn't exactly something that people can be recognized for because all the copy-and-pasters screwed that up for everyone. There's no telling what belongs to who in a ROM so why give people props for it when there's so much going on as far as people just taking stuff.
If I were looking to be recognized I'd do something innovative... Get WP7 on here, make a live wallpaper that has the camera active so its like were looking through our phone, etc etc. Most recognized developers develop for more than one phone so crank out something that the EVO and Desire can use as well as us... Things like that.
That's the only logic I can follow as far as why he was denied.
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At this point it would be my guess that you have to make or be a part of a breakthrough of some sort in order to be recognized. A stable rom isn't exactly something that people can be recognized for because all the copy-and-pasters screwed that up for everyone. There's no telling what belongs to who in a ROM so why give people props for it when there's so much going on as far as people just taking stuff.
If I were looking to be recognized I'd do something innovative... Get WP7 on here, make a live wallpaper that has the camera active so its like were looking through our phone, etc etc. Most recognized developers develop for more than one phone so crank out something that the EVO and Desire can use as well as us... Things like that.
That's the only logic I can follow as far as why he was denied.
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Being innovative has nothing to do with being a recognised dev. it's just being that, recognised for what you have done. it's about contributions and being helpful. not who's done the most awesome rom, mod or app. it's not a super dev contest... if that were the case, easily more than half of the recognised devs would not be recognized because they are drag and drop devs with no programing skills. just swap and remove files from one rom to another and call it their rom.
to be more exact to the terms of being a RD, here are the actual requirements...
-Be a developer that regularly posts your work/works on XDA
-Post helpful threads in the general section
-Regularly help answer questions in the Q&A Sections
-Not be found guilty of flaming
-And of course, feel out the Recognized Developer of XDA request form(When available which it currently is not at this time).
If you know Nils or have dealt with him in any way, you know he meets most if not all these requirements.
Well said Stoney!
This place has gone to hell ever since the closing of newtoroot threads a month or two back and with all the drama with certain devs. I'm glad I got my dinc 2 and don't have to see such travesties like this. Eff Ex Dee Ay.
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Being innovative has nothing to do with being a recognised dev. it's just being that, recognised for what you have done. it's about contributions and being helpful. not who's done the most awesome rom, mod or app. it's not a super dev contest... if that were the case, easily more than half of the recognised devs would not be recognized because they are drag and drop devs with no programing skills. just swap and remove files from one rom to another and call it their rom.
to be more exact to the terms of being a RD, here are the actual requirements...
-Be a developer that regularly posts your work/works on XDA
-Post helpful threads in the general section
-Regularly help answer questions in the Q&A Sections
-Not be found guilty of flaming
-And of course, feel out the Recognized Developer of XDA request form(When available which it currently is not at this time).
If you know Nils or have dealt with him in any way, you know he meets most if not all these requirements.
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How exactly does one feel out the form? lol. Sorry trolling, but I had to.
If you go by the definition you stated, then most rom builders would fit the bill. I have seen huge support by most devs on this forum. It sounds tho, that there is more to this than we know.
xda is starting to lose my respect and my visiting
Guys,
First of all this is not aimed at anyone in particular... it's for all to read.
It's obvious that something is going on in the Dev section concerning the Sense 6 roms ported from the M8..... I have no idea what it is and I have no wish to know.
However when these things kick off as they do from time to time it is not Developers or Contributors that are affected.... it's us, the users of the roms etc. XDA is supposed to be a community and is supposed to be about sharing so isn't it time that everybody shares their stuff... there are enough users out there for all of your work to be enjoyed and appreciated.
Please guys, let's all behave as a community and give all a chance to enjoy the many varied and good things that you Devs and Contributors give to us.
Thank you.
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Guys,
First of all this is not aimed at anyone in particular... it's for all to read.
It's obvious that something is going on in the Dev section concerning the Sense 6 roms ported from the M8..... I have no idea what it is and I have no wish to know.
However when these things kick off as they do from time to time it is not Developers or Contributors that are affected.... it's us, the users of the roms etc. XDA is supposed to be a community and is supposed to be about sharing so isn't it time that everybody shares their stuff... there are enough users out there for all of your work to be enjoyed and appreciated.
Please guys, let's all behave as a community and give all a chance to enjoy the many varied and good things that you Devs and Contributors give to us.
Thank you.
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This is what happens when people are more worried about their Ego then anything else. Nothing we can do about it. As developers are allowed to keep their own work to themselves and not share it with others. This is the reason many refuse to use OEM based roms or prefer to take the base rom and make their own for personal use.
Ill be honest. This is the main reason I dropped Sense and am on my last OEM-non-nexus device.
Nothing can really be done about it.
zelendel said:
Nothing can really be done about it.
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I fear you are right but I felt something needs to be said as this keeps happening.
rider5512 said:
Guys,
First of all this is not aimed at anyone in particular... it's for all to read.
It's obvious that something is going on in the Dev section concerning the Sense 6 roms ported from the M8..... I have no idea what it is and I have no wish to know.
However when these things kick off as they do from time to time it is not Developers or Contributors that are affected.... it's us, the users of the roms etc. XDA is supposed to be a community and is supposed to be about sharing so isn't it time that everybody shares their stuff... there are enough users out there for all of your work to be enjoyed and appreciated.
Please guys, let's all behave as a community and give all a chance to enjoy the many varied and good things that you Devs and Contributors give to us.
Thank you.
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Unfortunately Sense "Development" has left the "From us to you" level in many areas since quite some time and has reached a stage where all that counts is "I am out earlier with my rom", " I have more users", "My thread has more posts", "My p.... is longer". Ok, not the last, but you get the point.
So, as long as this does not change again, there is no such thing as a "Dev-community" in Sense development.
Sad as it may be, from time to time this kind of development has unavoidable consequences and the users are sometimes suffering from "collateral damage". That's the bitter truth and could only be changed by a change of attitude by some devs.
Just my 2cts.
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I fear you are right but I felt something needs to be said as this keeps happening.
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And it will as long as people keep needing an ego boost. That is all it is. They want to say they have the best, most mods, fastest, ect rom.
And to be honest. There is nothing done to OEM roms that are really that impressive. If they wanted to HTC could come in and stop all of them in one shot.
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........ and could only be changed by a change of attitude by some devs.
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That was the reason for the post in the hope that it may make some think a little more.
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That was the reason for the post in the hope that it may make some think a little more.
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I bet if we removed the option for donations all together. I bet things will change. hmmmm.......
zelendel said:
I bet if we removed the option for donations all together. I bet things will change. hmmmm.......
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hmmmm indeed !
zelendel said:
I bet if we removed the option for donations all together. I bet things will change. hmmmm.......
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Yes, that is the root of all evil (in this context) imho. I could not agree more.
Unfortunately this has become the state of affairs. In the end its down to the individual devs if they share their work. I do see some great things happening in the way of development, its just a shame resources cant be pulled together, then something truly fantastic may emerge, But until people stop putting their ego in front of development progress and community spirit, nothing will change.
Its all about, hey look what we did, aint it cool. Rather than, lets work together as a community and make a difference.
original_ganjaman said:
...... its just a shame resources cant be pulled together, then something truly fantastic may emerge
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We can only hope but who knows... perhaps one day !
zelendel said:
I bet if we removed the option for donations all together. I bet things will change. hmmmm.......
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I honestly wish this would happen... XDA should not be about money, we all agree here that that attitude towards development is pretty much unwanted here.
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We can only hope but who knows... perhaps one day !
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I hate to say it but those days have come and gone. XDA used to be about sharing information and knowledge. Now it is a ego trip. Sad really.
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zelendel said:
I hate to say it but those days have come and gone. XDA used to be about sharing information and knowledge. Now it is a ego trip. Sad really.
Bat cave One
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Ow well, i hope you realize there ARE still devs out there that share the love buddy.
Its just few bad apples, (whats in the name huh) that spoils the whole barrel.....
I gotta chime in here with my .98 cents worth.
It's not just some stuff at xda. We're talking about innovation in all of tech being affected by a particular spirit.
Think about it. Apple has 147 billion dollars in unused capital but they won't make it happen as far as getting swipe gestures on their ios keyboard.
Android has so many attitude problems as well. You can get one device and it has certain strengths and certain flaws. Then a different device will have the things that are currently missing in your device, but it will be lacking the good things your current device already has.
Things like planned obsolescence, data caps, expensive smartphones with faulty displays, over heated batteries, on and on and on.
Whether it be Apple, msoft, or Google...none realize that they're about to kill the golden goose.
Some of us will just throw up our hands and say " to hell with you all" , and just hang on to whatever device we currently have for much longer than we'd like to. Because, just as soon as you upgrade, there's a slightly newer and better spec-bump version.
Unfortunately, Camera has stopped.
Whiskey103 said:
Ow well, i hope you realize there ARE still devs out there that share the love buddy.
Its just few bad apples, (whats in the name huh) that spoils the whole barrel.....
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I do whiskey. I do. That's why I still only use aosp based stuff but even some there like to keep knowledge in house.
Bat cave
I love that you started this thread OP Maybe some folks will realize their ways and change.
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Whiskey103 said:
Ow well, i hope you realize there ARE still devs out there that share the love buddy.
Its just few bad apples, (whats in the name huh) that spoils the whole barrel.....
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zelendel said:
I do whiskey. I do. That's why I still only use aosp based stuff but even some there like to keep knowledge in house.
Bat cave
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And it's not new, nor confined to Sense. I remember when I made skins for MobileShell on Windows Mobile there were guys who refused to share basic knowledge just to have a headstart. It was simple xml, no high-end coding, so nothing that would earn you fame and fortune. And that was in 2008 or so...
It's just an ego thing and it will always be here. So the limits have to be set from time to time obviously to keep things stright and under control.
In my opinion there is an issue with "credit" and "permission"...example, if a developer ports a ROM over from another device, well done. But does that mean the developer owns that port, to me, no, because it's still HTC files used to get that port working. Should it be required to ask for permission to use that port? NO. However, it should be required to CREDIT the person who got the port working. But asking permission makes it seem as if you own something, which you don't. This is the problem I see. Permission should not be required on XDA at all, only a requirement to credit someone. If they are expecting permission, they should take their stuff off XDA, and go elsewhere, because I know for a fact that none of the developers asked HTC if they could use M8 files to create an M7 port, and I'm sure HTC doesn't care, but for some reason these developers care way too much.
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troby86 said:
In my opinion there is an issue with "credit" and "permission"...example, if a developer ports a ROM over from another device, well done. But does that mean the developer owns that port, to me, no, because it's still HTC files used to get that port working. Should it be required to ask for permission to use that port? NO. However, it should be required to CREDIT the person who got the port working. But asking permission makes it seem as if you own something, which you don't. This is the problem I see. Permission should not be required on XDA at all, only a requirement to credit someone. If they are expecting permission, they should take their stuff off XDA, and go elsewhere, because I know for a fact that none of the developers asked HTC if they could use M8 files to create an M7 port, and I'm sure HTC doesn't care, but for some reason these developers care way too much.
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I cant really agree with this. First off, asking permission is polite, its the reaction to that request that is the issue. If the request is reasonable and for the benefit of the community, i would like to think any devoted member/dev would be willing to share the knowledge. Chances are, that dev picked up a lot of knowledge from this very forum beforehand, so not to share prevents this circle of knowledge. Credit, is just a given.
I also have to say your simplified way of "porting" is a bit disagreeable. Some of these guys put many hours of work into their ROMs, so to say all that should be dismissed due to the original code being that of HTC, is a little unfair. It sounds contradictory, so...
We have 2 issues:
1 - Free sharing of work
2 - The protection of devs who have put hours of work into a project and wish to keep it "exclusive"
Both have to be considered, imho
Its a matter of balance, one with the rules (that i think we have) and the other with attitude.
As Zel said, HTC could pull the plug at any time. Making this a non issue.