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[DISCUSSION] ANDROID/MAEMO/LINUX on HD2 (Discussion Thread)

Okay I'm a lurker on the developer thread and I thought it best to create a separate topic where everyone can talk about it (or complain that people can't shoehorn an OS on a device fast enough for their liking despite the fact that people are doing it for free basically) without all this "DEVELOPER DISCUSSION ONLY AUGUGHGH" "but we don't know where else to post about it"-ism
so this thread is for the non-developer discussion of said project:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578575
(won't let me past "outside links"(?) cos I'm a n00b for some reason)
so there's no excuse now for anyone who posts "when is it done?" in the other thread
Also, a few pointers since some people don't get it and I'd rather save a developers/non-developers civil war thing.
How long will it take? - You're looking at about a year at least. Remember, it's installing an OS on a system that isn't meant to even have it. It's going to take a hell of a lot of time to guesswork and muck around with this stuff.
(all the people moaning on engadget re: the US HD2 launch being all "HTC release an android update right now " and then being all "OH XDA WILL SORT IT OUT" (because apparently xda is their overnight miracle machine) annoy me something chronic for this reason.)
remember too that these people are more or less doing this for free.
Can't you just install the Nexus/Supersonic/etc. rom on there? - No.
from what I understand of the whole thing (I'm not a developer so take this with a pinch of salt) there's an awful lot of different code and such on these things which means it isn't as easy to just "install" it on another OS. It's like asking why you just can't fit a jaguar engine into a VW beetle. It could work, but there'd be a lot of work and rerouting etc. to be made and even then it would need a lot of tuning and sorting out.
Is it ready yet? - No. You will know when it's ready.
What's happening at the moment? - From what I've read of the whole thing they're trying to iron out kinks with the linux Haret thing thats going to run Android. After they've got it to boot, they're going to have to try and get android working with the HD2. This is why it's taking so long.
so yeah.

hey??
yeah but..
this is the xda DEVELOPERS forum
and this is the HD2 DEVELOPEMENT section
so i guess the linux android development thread does what its supposed to !!
i know its frustrating and you like me want android on the hd2 but to be honest i i find half the fun is the bloody long wait and the small progressions that are made, thats how we learn.
=====PEACE=====
edit >> ok looks like this thread was useful after all - my wrong !! ..

**shrug**
A mod can move it elsewhere if needs be, I was just getting sick of all the feuding going on between people who wanted to talk about it and the developers yelling at the people who aren't posting about developing and thought it best to make a separate thread so non-developer people can talk about the project and developer people can drop in and give advice

yeah
actually you got a point.
theres a fair ammount of flame grill on the other thread that does get annoying
i subscribe to the other thread so i get an instant email for every post and i get my email on my hd2 just as you would a text message so it can be a pain.
=====PEACE=====

Ha finally found again this topic.
I am wishing you all my best to port Android to the HD2 because with all the **** around WinMo 7 comptability, you look the only one able to save the HD2 in the future!
I really hope everyday that Android will be working on our HD2...
Btw, the HTC Desire is going to be out soon, and it has the same specification than the HD2... Does it increase the chance got Android on our HD2?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=594
Good luck and all my best !
Zepiii

i hope we get android on our HD2's with spb mobileshell 5.0

Zepiii said:
Ha finally found again this topic.
I am wishing you all my best to port Android to the HD2 because with all the **** around WinMo 7 comptability, you look the only one able to save the HD2 in the future!
I really hope everyday that Android will be working on our HD2...
Btw, the HTC Desire is going to be out soon, and it has the same specification than the HD2... Does it increase the chance got Android on our HD2?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=594
Good luck and all my best !
Zepiii
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All about Gizmondo.com or Gizmondo.fr its bull**** !!
This web site works for Apple its sure !!
Edit : mistake but im sure about Gizmondo

Ok

Too bad we're stuck with low level developers who can't get it done. We need real developers who actually know what they are doing.

simranjits said:
Too bad we're stuck with low level developers who can't get it done. We need real developers who actually know what they are doing.
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Like Android would be wounderfull to have WebOS runing on HD2...a beautifull simbiose with outlook and Itunes integrations.....and push notifications...and light apps for everythink.
I dreaming with that.

simranjits said:
Too bad we're stuck with low level developers who can't get it done. We need real developers who actually know what they are doing.
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Careful now mate. Watch what you say!

simranjits said:
Too bad we're stuck with low level developers who can't get it done. We need real developers who actually know what they are doing.
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Why don't *YOU* take the lead then if you're so capable of passing judgement on other people; as to do that you must have some amazing development skills in getting an operating system running on unknown poorly documented hardware.
Obvioiusly everyone will bow down to your uberleet level of skill when *YOU* present all of the fine work *YOU* have done!
otherwise...
stop being so bloody rude!
Dcordes knows a fair bit more than most people about linux hacking for ppc devices, I suggest you give him the respect he and others deserve!
if this post upsets you think about what you wrote...

I'm hopeing that it will not sound total idiot, but:
why it's not possible to use NexusOne rom dump, and using it for HD2. Hardware is nearly same except buttons and screen size.
thanks

zabique said:
I'm hopeing that it will not sound total idiot, but:
why it's not possible to use NexusOne rom dump, and using it for HD2. Hardware is nearly same except buttons and screen size.
thanks
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Ooooh dear...i´m still wondering why people are that damn lazy these days, not reading just one line in threads that are having 709 posts at this moment...don´t you people think that there should be a 100 percent-likelihood (in a developers-forum!) that another big brain spits out such ideas? exactly 1.000 other so called "newbies" have mentioned this point in the past few weeks...sometimes in every third post, again and again, without having read what other people have posted one line above. This is not about beeing a newbie or not, this is just about a little respect to the developers, serving nice presents to all of us without getting paid for it. what you guys can do for them? well, the first step should be not to spam around questions that already have been answered 1000 times before...instead go and read through the replies and at the end, when you are sure that there is no answer yet (after using the search function too, of course)...THAN ask your question or type in your comments and I think everbody will thank you for your participation in this community.
Sorry zabique, of course this is not against you ...but after reading exactly the same line for the 20st time/last two weeks there was no inhibition of my fingers typing these lines possible

i have a lot of respect for those developers, i die a bit inside every time a noob asks how it is going and **** like that.. anyway its nice they are working on it and i hope they succeed! dual boot windows / android would be really cool to have! i will surely donate if its working.. but to who should i donate? maybe its an idea to make a sort of bounty (lets say i will give $20 for getting android on hd2) and someone else also $20. thats 40 in total. if that 40 is shared and given to the developers that have worked on that project it would be a stimulation for them i guess.. only i dont know what developers are working intensively..
anyway my reward will be $20
more of you are going to join?
maybe its an idea to add the totall's of the $$ and the name who gives what in the first post?

fards said:
Why don't *YOU* take the lead then if you're so capable of passing judgement on other people; as to do that you must have some amazing development skills in getting an operating system running on unknown poorly documented hardware.
Obvioiusly everyone will bow down to your uberleet level of skill when *YOU* present all of the fine work *YOU* have done!
otherwise...
stop being so bloody rude!
Dcordes knows a fair bit more than most people about linux hacking for ppc devices, I suggest you give him the respect he and others deserve!
if this post upsets you think about what you wrote...
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If i wanted to do it myself , would i be bothering myself with these amateurs. At least i know i can't do it, but these guys don't know when to stop. Like i said we need real developers. All they are doing is guesswork and their debuging techniques are crude.

simranjits said:
If i wanted to do it myself , would i be bothering myself with these amateurs. At least i know i can't do it, but these guys don't know when to stop. Like i said we need real developers. All they are doing is guesswork and their debuging techniques are crude.
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Of course with the guy who have your thinking psychologically, we have the desire to continue working.
Maybe now you know guys who are better and who are willing to take the trouble to come and work for free for fun, to the delight of members!
If this is not the case, then dont write!
I think you're not an adult, easy to dictate but to do the works is another thing.

simranjits said:
If i wanted to do it myself , would i be bothering myself with these amateurs. At least i know i can't do it, but these guys don't know when to stop. Like i said we need real developers. All they are doing is guesswork and their debuging techniques are crude.
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all you know is nothing...
so please shut up and let people who do know what they are talking about get on with it..

fards said:
all you know is nothing...
so please shut up and let people who do know what they are talking about get on with it..
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actually he is quite right. if you have any idea what developers are talking about then you can see that all they do is guess in trial and error style. but aparently you dont have any idea

From the viewpoint of a software architect, it's indeed hard to watch the other thread without crinching every once in a while. On the other hand, the plan of attack there seems to be part of a culture that has done stuff like this quite succesfully with other challenges.
So i won't be surprised if we eventually get a nice port of android running on the HD2.
Mind you, i do believe that an undertaking like this would need the infrastructure, tools and mindset like the main android project has in place at the moment. But that would require a "DEVs and Testers only" door policy.
Simply put, the other thread here lets the lesser gods put their 2 cents in too. I'm cool with that.
BTW, i do not approve of any condescending remarks about the the other thread, nor do i wish to make my own through this mail.

let " THEM " read this!!!

Best HD2 owner's/users/modders.
By now it should be obvious that HTC should have noticed the large amount of users the XDA forum attracts every day.
As we all get excited for each new build out there,
should'nt we just send screenshots to HTC?
Posting and spamming HTC with all the benchmarks we can get!
So that they can't deny us and make a one time effort producing a NAND rom for us!
so we can Mod it further!
Please all of you : SPAM the freaking h*ll out of htc !!!

topderob said:
Best HD2 owner's/users/modders.
By now it should be obvious that HTC should have noticed the large amount of users the XDA forum attracts every day.
As we all get excited for each new build out there,
should'nt we just send screenshots to HTC?
Posting and spamming HTC with all the benchmarks we can get!
So that they can't deny us and make a one time effort producing a NAND rom for us!
so we can Mod it further!
Please all of you : SPAM the freaking h*ll out of htc !!!
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I think no one going to do that.
Also a NAND version IS coming.
Only have patience

patience is an golden word only problem is i like silver comes before gold so hurry it already haha

nah, lave htc alone lol
lets all spam microsoft with the title "Who needs Windows Phone 7?" lol

leave brittney alone!!!(cries) ... lol

kingofyo1 said:
leave brittney alone!!!(cries) ... lol
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but seriously, isnt there ANY way we can convince htc ?

topderob said:
Best HD2 owner's/users/modders.
By now it should be obvious that HTC should have noticed the large amount of users the XDA forum attracts every day.
As we all get excited for each new build out there,
should'nt we just send screenshots to HTC?
Posting and spamming HTC with all the benchmarks we can get!
So that they can't deny us and make a one time effort producing a NAND rom for us!
so we can Mod it further!
Please all of you : SPAM the freaking h*ll out of htc !!!
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There is no way, EVER, that would work. If you manage to get ANY help on android development for hd2 by htc, I will personaly come down to your place and give you all the money I have. Thats how confident I am.

kingofyo1 said:
leave brittney alone!!!(cries) ... lol
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Lmao.....
Sent from my HTC HD2 using XDA App

I wouldn't "spam" them. That would just irritate them and give us a bad look.
I think it's unlikely they would create and official Android for HD2, because afterall, that's not going to make them a huge amount of money. If they did do it, it would be more of a kind gesture to the community.
The best we can do is to write an open letter, explain why we believe an official Android release for the HD2 would be largely beneficial for both HTC and HD2 owners (present and future). Ensure they're aware of the current interest, and perhaps do a poll of who would buy the HD2 if Android was an official option.

It will make them more money, cos there are many people out there that are skeptical about buying an HD2 cos of its retarded OS(u know which one i mean)...tell me, doesnt an Hd2 running two official OS's sound super-tempting to you?

If someone would help us, will be Google department, giving us a free HD2 Android tree, but unofficial means, giving that to Cottula Team.....we are their embassadores....MS don't want we will be that for WM7.....and HTC don't care, just want sell hardware.....and this is not good for their business.
*** you MS and your 7s.

pack21 said:
If someone would help us, will be Google department, giving us a free HD2 Android tree, but unofficial means, giving that to Cottula Team.....we are their embassadores....MS don't want we will be that for WM7.....and HTC don't care, just want sell hardware.....and this is not good for their business.
*** you MS and your 7s.
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wouldt work.. for it to work, google will need to ask their coders to come up with kernels to boot up android in hd2, not give us an os build..
RJackson said:
I wouldn't "spam" them. That would just irritate them and give us a bad look.
I think it's unlikely they would create and official Android for HD2, because afterall, that's not going to make them a huge amount of money. If they did do it, it would be more of a kind gesture to the community.
The best we can do is to write an open letter, explain why we believe an official Android release for the HD2 would be largely beneficial for both HTC and HD2 owners (present and future). Ensure they're aware of the current interest, and perhaps do a poll of who would buy the HD2 if Android was an official option.
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like u say, i wouldt recommend spamming htc.. but maybe we can have an online petition and gather virtual signatures and submit it to HTC?
would that be a better idea?

fi3ry_icy said:
wouldt work.. for it to work, google will need to ask their coders to come up with kernels to boot up android in hd2, not give us an os build..
like u say, i wouldt recommend spamming htc.. but maybe we can have an online petition and gather virtual signatures and submit it to HTC?
would that be a better idea?
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I like that idea for a petition for Android on HD2......and make Google our aliade, they have a good relationship with HTC.
Let's do it.....I'm in!

pack21 said:
I like that idea for a petition for Android on HD2......and make Google our aliade, they have a good relationship with HTC.
Let's do it.....I'm in!
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while your all at it, 'sign' here too if you havnt already.
http://layar.uservoice.com/forums/20979-general/suggestions/313434-windows-mobile-client?ref=title
make sure google dont forget about us

I suppose one could petition for it, to show them the interest. But it's still quite unlikely. They would have to (I think) strike some deal with Microsoft to release the WinMo exclusivity with the HD2. I think they would also have a tough time selling Android-based units, purely because of the inconsistency of having a Windows button on the keypad.
I suppose a petition could convince them to get involved in the htc-linux project, ie. help the dev's out with any problems, questions, etc.

The new HTC Desire HD is almost identical (at least spec wise) to the HD2 (exept the Cam)! Why would HTC ever do an HD2 Android ROM when they are going to make an "all new" device with Android? HTC woun't care for us! We already bought the device! They need new customers to buy new devices and not having "old" ones ugraded all the time!

pack21 said:
I like that idea for a petition for Android on HD2......and make Google our aliade, they have a good relationship with HTC.
Let's do it.....I'm in!
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lets do it guys im in, lets make some noise. we buy the phone we should decide what so we want

dream on my friend.... cuz you don't have a clue how job is done in large corporations! they have licesnes, copyrights, huuuge amounts of paper for one phone, so they can't just say: "hey we can grab source, do android and make xda community happy! yay!"
they are about to release desireHD so if you want android buy that one!
only thing you will do by spamming to HTC is to attract a HUUUGE hord of lawyers that will shut down xda, htc-linux and whole thing our devs were working for.
They just look away now because "they can't be responsible for things you do with your phone" as lawsuits are often big amount of money and time spent.
if this kind of behavior continues it WILL get nasty! take conflipper as example, but you probably don't even know who that is! GROW UP CHILDREN, YOU AIN't PLAYIN' WITH LEGO ANYMORE
!! so shut down this thread and rather do a DONATION to devs, mix some air, or help older people on the street, just leave HTC and everyone else out !!!

i think that if HTC showed a little gratitute to their loyal customers it would just make them look better to the community (at least this community). without XDA htc would sell much less.. I bought HTC only because XDA exists.. and I was sure to get more value from my device this way than with any other brand.
HTC is well aware of this.. they know their business believe me...
maybe they're already helping developers undercover..hehehe.. who knows...
in this forum we all know that our next device will be android-powered anyway...
I love winmo.. i always had... but android is more advanced.. works good.. and has all the google goodies we all love...
HTC better take notice

bringing a new dev to the galaxy S forum

I hate non dev questions in the forum and I suppose this is in-between the dev non dev line.. but for the greater good
If I get some of a cracking dev teams attention to this section and ask for your help to buy his team a test phone me paying the first £100 and guaranteeing a refund if it goes tits up would you guys help with maybe £2 donations to get to approx £230?
I am putting my name to the http://www.villainrom.co.uk team who have done a **** load for the Hero and Desire scene to just bring a few improvements that we will all benefit from, I am not offering miracles and will refund everyone else's donations above my £100 if within 5 month you don't all agree them adding time to our amazing potential phone has not benefited us all? one example is the cm6 build!!!
No offence to the current devs like doc etc they do a really good job but the more the merrier?
I will provide all my details to everyone that donates so let me know what you think...

anarchyuk said:
I hate non dev questions in the forum and I suppose this is in-between the dev non dev line.. but for the greater good
If I get some of a cracking dev teams attention to this section and ask for your help to buy his team a test phone me paying the first £100 and guaranteeing a refund if it goes tits up would you guys help with maybe £2 donations to get to approx £230?
I am putting my name to the http://www.villainrom.co.uk team who have done a **** load for the Hero and Desire scene to just bring a few improvements that we will all benefit from, I am not offering miracles and will refund everyone else's donations above my £100 if within 5 month you don't all agree them adding time to our amazing potential phone has not benefited us all? one example is the cm6 build!!!
No offence to the current devs like doc etc they do a really good job but the more the merrier?
I will provide all my details to everyone that donates so let me know what you think...
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I am of the opinion that the most enthusiastic devs are the ones that do it because they care and they enjoy it, not just for the money.
Bounty threads are well and good, but this is so vague that I have absolutely no idea what the end goals are.
In conclusion I don't have the foggiest idea why I or anyone would want to contribute.

chambo622 said:
I am of the opinion that the most enthusiastic devs are the ones that do it because they care and they enjoy it, not just for the money.
Bounty threads are well and good, but this is so vague that I have absolutely no idea what the end goals are.
In conclusion I don't have the foggiest idea why I or anyone would want to contribute.
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Its not about paying them to do it, as they are people just like us they cant buy everyone phone that comes around. For the majority its done in spare time especially these guys,
If you dont want to get them a test phone then thats your choice but from what I have experienced with what they done for the hero and desire they are more than capable of getting us beyond this base rom with apk's and no real development...
I am doing this to get our galaxy S phones above the ****e IO performance that my £480 paid for and if it means spending £2 each out of 1000's of people then so be it.. ill cover all loses as it will close at £230 when i deliver the dev phone to them

The idea sounds interesting, but I do not know them, so I have no clue what they did or what they can do. Maybe being more clear on that can help motivate donations. From looking at your forum link for a very short time, did not yet show me anything that's really more special that what is already happening.

jjwa said:
The idea sounds interesting, but I do not know them, so I have no clue what they did or what they can do. Maybe being more clear on that can help motivate donations. From looking at your forum link for a very short time, did not yet show me anything that's really more special that what is already happening.
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i know what you mean thats why I have waited this long watching the development section, let me show you the videos of the roms i produced on their roms before the official 2.1 came out on the hero (edit: well bofore the official 2.1 with no source code)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON0_ze1_Z0o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyIsTUHjBnM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=peitGW9tlFU
and dont mock my music lol

anarchyuk said:
Its not about paying them to do it, as they are people just like us they cant buy everyone phone that comes around. For the majority its done in spare time especially these guys,
If you dont want to get them a test phone then thats your choice but from what I have experienced with what they done for the hero and desire they are more than capable of getting us beyond this base rom with apk's and no real development...
I am doing this to get our galaxy S phones above the ****e IO performance that my £480 paid for and if it means spending £2 each out of 1000's of people then so be it.. ill cover all loses as it will close at £230 when i deliver the dev phone to them
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I'm pretty sure your IO performance has been fixed time and time again with any one of the several great custom kernels we have around here.
We have CyanogenMod under development by some talented guys, definitely far more than a "base ROM with some apks."
Developing for these Samsung devices is a lot different than the HTCs, so I'm not going to assume that these guys are going to work magic on a platform they're not familiar with.
IMO I'd buy Cyanogen a Galaxy S before these guys...

chambo622 said:
I'm pretty sure your IO performance has been fixed time and time again with any one of the several great custom kernels we have around here.
We have CyanogenMod under development by some talented guys, definitely far more than a "base ROM with some apks."
Developing for these Samsung devices is a lot different than the HTCs, so I'm not going to assume that these guys are going to work magic on a platform they're not familiar with.
IMO I'd buy Cyanogen a Galaxy S before these guys...
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good call, and enjoy it that way but for everyone else even if these guys finish off cm6 port / dev in alot quicker time your £2 will be well spent

anarchyuk said:
good call, and enjoy it that way but for everyone else even if these guys finish off cm6 port / dev in alot quicker time your £2 will be well spent
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You obviously dont follow the development of CM for galaxy. Otherwice youd know even now custom roms are next to impossible (really custom).

I will defiantley toss in some loonies if there is any chance we can get Ninpo up in here. I know he got an SGS and gave it a good reveiew, and to be honest even if he doesn't acomplish a single thing it'll be worth it just for his legendary release notes!
Based on the amount of damage I've been able to do to my phone in less than a week, I think that a skilled kernel dev could make a huge difference. (Not insulting any of our current devs, just came from the Hero and that guy managed to stretch my use of that phone by like 6 months).

The dev here get donations if they deserving it.
Stopp pissing on the dev here.
Sent from GT-I9000 jpo. My own kernel for z4mod and with 342MB Ram

Project 7 Evo 4G, 7he 7rouble is 7ha7 some7imes drives fail

miphonematt said:
I think I have some sort of structure now. It's insanely buggy. It fails ALMOST immediately. At least it sort of tries to boot WP7... sort of. I still have quite a bit of research and trial and error still to come, but I believe I'm on to something where before I really felt like I was stabbing in the dark. Trap the errors, trap the errors, trap the errors and debuuuuuuuug.
I think I might be going insane haha.......I look forward to the day that I have something worth posting......so shut down....naysayers. We're still a ways from that day still unfortunately.
[.....]My apprearances may be scarce for the next 4 days.......I'll be back for certain.
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Opening up a Nexus One thread.
wow holy revers kirfing batman they beat us to it
KIRF=keeping it real fake lol
apocali3
So yeah This is the thread for the Project 7 Evo(Temp. name.) we are currently calling this a Project. We must be patient. This will take several months to complete.
so vote on the Poll what you are wanting to run on your EVO
vote this thread also to be on the front page.
Windows Phone 7 on the HTC EVO 4G, imagine the possibilities
Development so far
Myn(developer)
miphonematt (developer)
Lui22(tester[if the team agrees on it])
PEOPLE WHOM MIGHT BE A GREAT CONTRIBUTOR
Echoside(maybe)
.....
The list will grow
the bounty is
jlechner said:
Is anyone keeping a list of the "b" word? If so, put me down for $100 as well.
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aimbdd said:
yeah. for everyone in this thread we are at about 275
535 including both threads.
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Thank you aimbdd for keeping count!!!!
miphonematt said:
I'd also like to level set with all the folks that are anxious to get WP7 on their EVO. I guarantee you that this is at least 60 days out until it is safe enough for anyone other than the dev(s) to test/flash.
We should add the word "Project" to the Subject of this thread. We should also add the rule "Do Not Ask for an ETA" in Bold, All Caps, bright red text. That is by far one of The Most irritating things to a dev, and I've known it to cause devs to not post progress updates. That is the number 1 rule of etiquette for projects like this. I hope everyone in this thread can understand and respect that.
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these changes have been applied for the greater good
overground; said:
Originally Posted by overground
We allow these, but do not heavily moderate them. If things turn sour, most we're going to do is close the thread. I recently closed and subsequently reopened one of these....kinda the same policy as the MP...hands off / donator beware.
jwzg said:
Overground is also a Sr. Mod. Please do NOT report a bounty thread unless there are flames or someone has been scammed. Other than that, we'll keep a close eye on it.
Nuff said. The moderators.
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Dear Devs,
We thank you for your service. We thank you for all the new roms that make our devices unique. We thank you for the apps that you built for us, that make our phones ours not the companies. Because of you we can express our individuality.
With that being said, we ask one more thing from you. We ask you to take our devices to the next level. We ask you to push the borders once again. Let us all come together and create a TRULY COMMUNITY BUILT PORT of WP7 for our devices. A difficult feat none the less, but we can do it, TOGETHER.
Personally I think we can build this project to rival Cyanogen mod, rival not in our perice of software is better then yours but in that the amount of community members and, contributions of sofware, are friendyer and more together. Rivals and friends at the same time.
This is an open bounty for any team of developers that can get a working port of WP7 that boots and can at least have Wi-Fi working.
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Reserved for Rules
1. No negative remarks
2. Our Purpose here is to help eachother so lets do that.
3. No Gloating.
4. No saying negative remarks about other devs, or community members.
5. Pressing the "Thanks" button every time someone finds something is greatly encouraged.
6. STAY ON TOPIC!!!!
7. Only dev teams can mention anything about license.
8. DO NOT ASK FOR ETA's remember this is a project no guarentee of complete succes....., as of yet
9. Just because you can post does not mean you should do it. Post things that are of some worth to the project

it's great to see wp7 working on evo

im in to help since i know a little windows
ill be talking to people about how this needs to pan out while out to sea this week and will update this post as things come in.

thanks guys tell as many people as you can and vote for this thread!!

I PM'd an HD2 developer about what we need to make this work. I don't know what half of this stuff is.
Original Message:
Hi
First of all you will need a "magldr" for your device.
without being able to flash it it's not possible at all.
i guess you need to talk to cotulla about this.
You also need proper drivers for the hardware (this will be a problem i guess)..
i wish you good luck.
Xda-Member: hd2owner

**still ready to beta test

Hopefully this thread actually gets off the ground. I would absolutely LOVE for this to eventually be a reality.

The HTC Evo does not have a Windows Mobile license...

License?
Oh, that... it's for purely educational purposes LOL
We don't want to really run wp7... just see if it will!
Tapatalked from my SUpersonic...

I am sure Microsoft would hate if more people used windows phone 7 and purchased from their market... N2m several people pointed out in the last thread that hd2 isnt liscensed for wp7 either. Anyways I am good for 25 with working netflix :-D

derekwilkinson said:
The HTC Evo does not have a Windows Mobile license...
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hd2 doesnt have a wp7 license either.
hopefully someone will pick this up i would try out wp7.

This is going to die real fast,lol, and i dont think it should be ported even if it could, if you wanted this you should have bought a WP7 instead of evo.

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This is going to die real fast,lol, and i dont think it should be ported even if it could, if you wanted this you should have bought a WP7 instead of evo.
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That's one of the most idiotic statements I've ever read. Most of us bought Evos over 7 months ago, before WP7 was even released. Now we want to be able to run WP7, just like the HD2 users can.
And I think it's ridiculous if this thread, or this whole movement is shut down by the mods. Neither the HD2 nor the Evo have Windows Phone 7 licenses. If they can do it, so can we.

bjb_nyj101 said:
That's one of the most idiotic statements I've ever heard. Most of us bought Evos over 7 months ago, before WP7 was even released. Now we want to be able to run WP7, just like the HD2 users can.
And I think it's ridiculous if this thread, or this whole movement is shut down by the mods. Neither the HD2 nor the Evo have Windows Phone 7 licenses. If they can do it, so can we.
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umm...at&t is always open to new customers...or amazon is preordering the htc arriveWP7 on sprint) for 50 bucks.

Stay on topic. Don't even respond to negative people or it'll just get deleted again.
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ThatSmartB0y said:
umm...at&t is always open to new customers...or amazon is preordering the htc arriveWP7 on sprint) for 50 bucks.
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umm that deal is for new customers if someone has an evo im guessing they have a contract with sprint already...anymore arguments?

jersey221 said:
umm that deal is for new customers if someone has an evo im guessing they have a contract with sprint already...anymore arguments?
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let me think...well theres always digging into you bank acc and ending you contract early then going to at&t

http://forum.androidcentral.com/showthread.php?p=744808#post744808
i will not host the project on this site. we do need a dev, the thread is now located here.

ThatSmartB0y said:
let me think...well theres always digging into you bank acc and ending you contract early then going to at&t
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by that post you pretty much just said you have no other valid arguments...

A plea to all Developers and Contributors

Guys,
First of all this is not aimed at anyone in particular... it's for all to read.
It's obvious that something is going on in the Dev section concerning the Sense 6 roms ported from the M8..... I have no idea what it is and I have no wish to know.
However when these things kick off as they do from time to time it is not Developers or Contributors that are affected.... it's us, the users of the roms etc. XDA is supposed to be a community and is supposed to be about sharing so isn't it time that everybody shares their stuff... there are enough users out there for all of your work to be enjoyed and appreciated.
Please guys, let's all behave as a community and give all a chance to enjoy the many varied and good things that you Devs and Contributors give to us.
Thank you.

rider5512 said:
Guys,
First of all this is not aimed at anyone in particular... it's for all to read.
It's obvious that something is going on in the Dev section concerning the Sense 6 roms ported from the M8..... I have no idea what it is and I have no wish to know.
However when these things kick off as they do from time to time it is not Developers or Contributors that are affected.... it's us, the users of the roms etc. XDA is supposed to be a community and is supposed to be about sharing so isn't it time that everybody shares their stuff... there are enough users out there for all of your work to be enjoyed and appreciated.
Please guys, let's all behave as a community and give all a chance to enjoy the many varied and good things that you Devs and Contributors give to us.
Thank you.
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This is what happens when people are more worried about their Ego then anything else. Nothing we can do about it. As developers are allowed to keep their own work to themselves and not share it with others. This is the reason many refuse to use OEM based roms or prefer to take the base rom and make their own for personal use.
Ill be honest. This is the main reason I dropped Sense and am on my last OEM-non-nexus device.
Nothing can really be done about it.

zelendel said:
Nothing can really be done about it.
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I fear you are right but I felt something needs to be said as this keeps happening.

rider5512 said:
Guys,
First of all this is not aimed at anyone in particular... it's for all to read.
It's obvious that something is going on in the Dev section concerning the Sense 6 roms ported from the M8..... I have no idea what it is and I have no wish to know.
However when these things kick off as they do from time to time it is not Developers or Contributors that are affected.... it's us, the users of the roms etc. XDA is supposed to be a community and is supposed to be about sharing so isn't it time that everybody shares their stuff... there are enough users out there for all of your work to be enjoyed and appreciated.
Please guys, let's all behave as a community and give all a chance to enjoy the many varied and good things that you Devs and Contributors give to us.
Thank you.
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Unfortunately Sense "Development" has left the "From us to you" level in many areas since quite some time and has reached a stage where all that counts is "I am out earlier with my rom", " I have more users", "My thread has more posts", "My p.... is longer". Ok, not the last, but you get the point.
So, as long as this does not change again, there is no such thing as a "Dev-community" in Sense development.
Sad as it may be, from time to time this kind of development has unavoidable consequences and the users are sometimes suffering from "collateral damage". That's the bitter truth and could only be changed by a change of attitude by some devs.
Just my 2cts.

rider5512 said:
I fear you are right but I felt something needs to be said as this keeps happening.
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And it will as long as people keep needing an ego boost. That is all it is. They want to say they have the best, most mods, fastest, ect rom.
And to be honest. There is nothing done to OEM roms that are really that impressive. If they wanted to HTC could come in and stop all of them in one shot.

jotha said:
........ and could only be changed by a change of attitude by some devs.
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That was the reason for the post in the hope that it may make some think a little more.

rider5512 said:
That was the reason for the post in the hope that it may make some think a little more.
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I bet if we removed the option for donations all together. I bet things will change. hmmmm.......

zelendel said:
I bet if we removed the option for donations all together. I bet things will change. hmmmm.......
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hmmmm indeed !

zelendel said:
I bet if we removed the option for donations all together. I bet things will change. hmmmm.......
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Yes, that is the root of all evil (in this context) imho. I could not agree more.

Unfortunately this has become the state of affairs. In the end its down to the individual devs if they share their work. I do see some great things happening in the way of development, its just a shame resources cant be pulled together, then something truly fantastic may emerge, But until people stop putting their ego in front of development progress and community spirit, nothing will change.
Its all about, hey look what we did, aint it cool. Rather than, lets work together as a community and make a difference.

original_ganjaman said:
...... its just a shame resources cant be pulled together, then something truly fantastic may emerge
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We can only hope but who knows... perhaps one day !

zelendel said:
I bet if we removed the option for donations all together. I bet things will change. hmmmm.......
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I honestly wish this would happen... XDA should not be about money, we all agree here that that attitude towards development is pretty much unwanted here.

rider5512 said:
We can only hope but who knows... perhaps one day !
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I hate to say it but those days have come and gone. XDA used to be about sharing information and knowledge. Now it is a ego trip. Sad really.
Bat cave One

zelendel said:
I hate to say it but those days have come and gone. XDA used to be about sharing information and knowledge. Now it is a ego trip. Sad really.
Bat cave One
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Ow well, i hope you realize there ARE still devs out there that share the love buddy.
Its just few bad apples, (whats in the name huh) that spoils the whole barrel.....

I gotta chime in here with my .98 cents worth.
It's not just some stuff at xda. We're talking about innovation in all of tech being affected by a particular spirit.
Think about it. Apple has 147 billion dollars in unused capital but they won't make it happen as far as getting swipe gestures on their ios keyboard.
Android has so many attitude problems as well. You can get one device and it has certain strengths and certain flaws. Then a different device will have the things that are currently missing in your device, but it will be lacking the good things your current device already has.
Things like planned obsolescence, data caps, expensive smartphones with faulty displays, over heated batteries, on and on and on.
Whether it be Apple, msoft, or Google...none realize that they're about to kill the golden goose.
Some of us will just throw up our hands and say " to hell with you all" , and just hang on to whatever device we currently have for much longer than we'd like to. Because, just as soon as you upgrade, there's a slightly newer and better spec-bump version.
Unfortunately, Camera has stopped.

Whiskey103 said:
Ow well, i hope you realize there ARE still devs out there that share the love buddy.
Its just few bad apples, (whats in the name huh) that spoils the whole barrel.....
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I do whiskey. I do. That's why I still only use aosp based stuff but even some there like to keep knowledge in house.
Bat cave

I love that you started this thread OP Maybe some folks will realize their ways and change.
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Whiskey103 said:
Ow well, i hope you realize there ARE still devs out there that share the love buddy.
Its just few bad apples, (whats in the name huh) that spoils the whole barrel.....
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zelendel said:
I do whiskey. I do. That's why I still only use aosp based stuff but even some there like to keep knowledge in house.
Bat cave
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And it's not new, nor confined to Sense. I remember when I made skins for MobileShell on Windows Mobile there were guys who refused to share basic knowledge just to have a headstart. It was simple xml, no high-end coding, so nothing that would earn you fame and fortune. And that was in 2008 or so...
It's just an ego thing and it will always be here. So the limits have to be set from time to time obviously to keep things stright and under control.

In my opinion there is an issue with "credit" and "permission"...example, if a developer ports a ROM over from another device, well done. But does that mean the developer owns that port, to me, no, because it's still HTC files used to get that port working. Should it be required to ask for permission to use that port? NO. However, it should be required to CREDIT the person who got the port working. But asking permission makes it seem as if you own something, which you don't. This is the problem I see. Permission should not be required on XDA at all, only a requirement to credit someone. If they are expecting permission, they should take their stuff off XDA, and go elsewhere, because I know for a fact that none of the developers asked HTC if they could use M8 files to create an M7 port, and I'm sure HTC doesn't care, but for some reason these developers care way too much.
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troby86 said:
In my opinion there is an issue with "credit" and "permission"...example, if a developer ports a ROM over from another device, well done. But does that mean the developer owns that port, to me, no, because it's still HTC files used to get that port working. Should it be required to ask for permission to use that port? NO. However, it should be required to CREDIT the person who got the port working. But asking permission makes it seem as if you own something, which you don't. This is the problem I see. Permission should not be required on XDA at all, only a requirement to credit someone. If they are expecting permission, they should take their stuff off XDA, and go elsewhere, because I know for a fact that none of the developers asked HTC if they could use M8 files to create an M7 port, and I'm sure HTC doesn't care, but for some reason these developers care way too much.
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I cant really agree with this. First off, asking permission is polite, its the reaction to that request that is the issue. If the request is reasonable and for the benefit of the community, i would like to think any devoted member/dev would be willing to share the knowledge. Chances are, that dev picked up a lot of knowledge from this very forum beforehand, so not to share prevents this circle of knowledge. Credit, is just a given.
I also have to say your simplified way of "porting" is a bit disagreeable. Some of these guys put many hours of work into their ROMs, so to say all that should be dismissed due to the original code being that of HTC, is a little unfair. It sounds contradictory, so...
We have 2 issues:
1 - Free sharing of work
2 - The protection of devs who have put hours of work into a project and wish to keep it "exclusive"
Both have to be considered, imho
Its a matter of balance, one with the rules (that i think we have) and the other with attitude.
As Zel said, HTC could pull the plug at any time. Making this a non issue.