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Hello, I currently have the xperia play and I am loving the emulators on it, however the ps1 and n64 ones seem to have slowdown on them. I have the opportunity to get the Motorola milestone x2 and was wondering if I should. I know the controls won't be as good since it doesn't have a built in gamepad, but how would emulation improve? Would it run ps1 and n64 games better and if so, is it significant?
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Hello, I currently have the xperia play and I am loving the emulators on it, however the ps1 and n64 ones seem to have slowdown on them. I have the opportunity to get the Motorola milestone x2 and was wondering if I should. I know the controls won't be as good since it doesn't have a built in gamepad, but how would emulation improve? Would it run ps1 and n64 games better and if so, is it significant?
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No it wouldn't run much faster if any. The problem is emulators only use one core, so a second core isn't helping. Out of curiosity what's your xplay setup because I get no ps1 lag and only a tad of lag in a few n64 games.
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Well I don't even have the ps1 one on my phone now because i had a hard time getting games to play. The 64 emulator I use is mupen64 xperia play edition. I have default setting enabled. I do use sound but I have disabled it on occasion and really don't notice a difference. It plays decent most of the time, but every 30 seconds or so, it will lag out for about 3 seconds and screw me up if I'm running on Mario or rounding a corner in Mario kart. I just want to optimize the emulator the best I can. I know it won't always be perfect, but I feel it could be better.
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Well I don't even have the ps1 one on my phone now because i had a hard time getting games to play. The 64 emulator I use is mupen64 xperia play edition. I have default setting enabled. I do use sound but I have disabled it on occasion and really don't notice a difference. It plays decent most of the time, but every 30 seconds or so, it will lag out for about 3 seconds and screw me up if I'm running on Mario or rounding a corner in Mario kart. I just want to optimize the emulator the best I can. I know it won't always be perfect, but I feel it could be better.
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It might be sdcard related. I noticed that with Dungeon Hunter 2 if I have the apk. moved sd card the game lags really badly. As soon as I moved it back to phone memory the game hardly has any stutters ( still has some but very few and not very bothersome).
Do you have the emulator itself moved on sd card?
No gamepad so not in the same league. No comparison.
If you wait until the milestone 4 comes out it will emulate games better than the xperia but of course you will loose the real game controls.
Overclock your Play and you never see again slowdown
Agreed with the overclocking. It'll vary from device to device, but I OC mine at 1.4Ghz and it runs most things peachy keen.
N64oid and FPse
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If you wait until the milestone 4 comes out it will emulate games better than the xperia but of course you will loose the real game controls.
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Giving the phones he named, I'm guessing he is on Cspire. If thats the case then there is no telling when the Milestone 4 will arrive, if ever. They are always late as hell getting good phones.
What is gaming without control?
n64oid still lags for me at 1.5ghz
I think it's due to:
coding and resolution
My old droid played mario kart perfectly, that said, it looks beautiful the XP.
Has anyone else thought of emulators on the ouya? Playing retro games on the big screen again would be great. Personally this is one of the biggest reasons I'm excited for the console. Can't wait to play ocarina of time.
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Has anyone else thought of emulators on the ouya? Playing retro games on the big screen again would be great. Personally this is one of the biggest reasons I'm excited for the console. Can't wait to play ocarina of time.
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I've bought/pre ordered the ouya primarily for xbmc, but being able to pay some classics like shadow run and legend of Zelda, whilst lying in bed on a Sunday morning is massively appealing.
It's starting to feel like Christmas with the release just around the corner and I'm looking forward to seeing what the devs around here do when they get their mucky paws on it.
cooool
No, I prefer something like the Xperia Play for emulators, though its a bit out dated in term of performance. But the Ouya should do emulators really well too. I'm mainly getting the Ouya to use as an HTPC.
ditto.
I backed OUYA mainly for XBMC but the fact that I can run emulations is a bonus. imaging DosBox with all the old school Sierra games, on the big screen.
Emulate
God i totally love the idea of using emulators on this it's another reason i purchased it. On my phone gs2 i use the playstation emulators gameboy eveyrthing now to be able to do it on a tv.... man im excited
Search YouTube. Tons of videos of devs using side loaded emulators to play old school games on the Ouya. It's reality, folks.
Grooby97 said:
ditto.
I backed OUYA mainly for XBMC but the fact that I can run emulations is a bonus. imaging DosBox with all the old school Sierra games, on the big screen.
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Honestly, there's not really more "possibility" with emulation on the Ouya than there is on any other somewhat recent Android device.
There is one bad thing. The focus Ouya team are now placing on emulators could result in unneeded focus on the subject and gaming company retained lawyers could be out for money. Kind of like when MP3 started getting popular and you had a lot of one hit wonders trying to sue for a back catalogue that nobody even bought when they were new. Saturday Night Live had a funny skit about that.
Ouya had better be careful, since they are pushing it as a feature, which will be like a bleeding cut in the water to lawyers.
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I am serious. Usually I am that much.
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There is one bad thing. The focus Ouya team are now placing on emulators could result in unneeded focus on the subject and gaming company retained lawyers could be out for money. Kind of like when MP3 started getting popular and you had a lot of one hit wonders trying to sue for a back catalogue that nobody even bought when they were new. Saturday Night Live had a funny skit about that.
Ouya had better be careful, since they are pushing it as a feature, which will be like a bleeding cut in the water to lawyers.
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I dunno about having to worry that much about emulation and the legalities for the OUYA. Heck, google play sells emulators that can be used on any android device. the ouya is that itself.. just another android device. emulation isn't illegal..
The emulation is not illegal, only the BIOS and the Games which are downloaded
are more or less illegal. These would have to be copied from your own console with
special equipment... nobody does this in the time of internet.
Theoretically this things could be free to download if the copyright owner allows this.
There is also my idea, that Nintendo and others aren't interested in forbidding emulation
for some (not every) console and that's why they aren't fighting against emulation.
In Ouya you can download and install anything... So, doesn't matter if it's legal or not...
Has anyone tested the Interworks Controller Pro U (aka Retro Classic Controller) with the Ouya (or any Android device)? I'm especially interested in joystick functionality...
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I've sideloaded SNES9X emu, works good. Started playing chrono trigger, it nice it has an option to let joystick function as dpad.
I'm about to see n64oids performance on the ouya. If it does run smoothly then I guess I will be replaying Zelda oot
I personally prefer mupen64. Ouya is plenty powerful enough for it anyway
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Emulators, I hadn't even thought of that, now I'm really excited about the Ouya, mine should be arriving very soon... I think some companies turn a blind eye to very old emulated games because it keeps their IP popular, which for some franchises still has some value.
For now, i managed to work gba, nes, snes, genesis, psx and n64 emulators via sideloading and all worked smooth with posibility of assign hardware pad buttons to them
There are 3 emulators in the OUYA store.
1. EMUya for NES emulation with intergrated ROM store (I'm sure this won't go forever, pretty much illegal).
2. Mugen64 is an N64 emulator which works better than any N64 I tested before, plus it's already mapped to work with the OUYA controller and does so flawlessly. No lag whatsoever
3. 2 different SNES emulators which also work very good. One of them is already altered to work perfect with the OUYA the other one is a known one from the play store.
I got the ouya especially for emulation, because hooking up my Galaxy S3 via HDMI to the TV and using a PS3 wireless controller was too much of a hassle and had a crazy input lag. With the OUYA no input lags at all.
Feels like playing the real consoles. Finally.
Has anyone else tried the ppsspp emulator? I loaded Wipeout Pure and after changing a few setting, the best I get is a slightly slow version with no sound and frame skipping. That was the most playable I could get it. When I first loaded it it was total slow motion. Wipeout is a confirmed working game for this emu so I'm interested to see what settings combos people may have found that work for the OUYA.
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Has anyone else tried the ppsspp emulator? I loaded Wipeout Pure and after changing a few setting, the best I get is a slightly slow version with no sound and frame skipping. That was the most playable I could get it. When I first loaded it it was total slow motion. Wipeout is a confirmed working game for this emu so I'm interested to see what settings combos people may have found that work for the OUYA.
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I'm kind of wondering this myself. Every game I try with it runs super slow.
I wouldn't expect PPSSPP to run smoothly on Mobile processors anytime soon if at all
Getting decent performance is still a challenge for PC users as the emulator is still in its early stages
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I wouldn't expect PPSSPP to run smoothly on Mobile processors anytime soon if at all
Getting decent performance is still a challenge for PC users as the emulator is still in its early stages
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^ This.
PPSSPP is cool, but little more than a proof of concept at this point. It's hardly playable on any platform.
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I wouldn't expect PPSSPP to run smoothly on Mobile processors anytime soon if at all
Getting decent performance is still a challenge for PC users as the emulator is still in its early stages
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sonofskywalker3 said:
^ This.
PPSSPP is cool, but little more than a proof of concept at this point. It's hardly playable on any platform.
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Thanks folks. I hope to some day be able to run wild with some WipeOut. I'll keep an eye on the devs progress and repost if we see some headway in the future.
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Visegrad said:
Has anyone else tried the ppsspp emulator? I loaded Wipeout Pure and after changing a few setting, the best I get is a slightly slow version with no sound and frame skipping. That was the most playable I could get it. When I first loaded it it was total slow motion. Wipeout is a confirmed working game for this emu so I'm interested to see what settings combos people may have found that work for the OUYA.
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Was messing around with this app last night. No luck getting any games to run smoothly, however I do see some potential. Tried both god of war games and they were very choppy. Only the movies within the game played fine. Dragonball Budokai ran pretty decent but the sound was off. Burnout had no music and was very choppy. Call of Duty starts but than goes to a black screen. You can hear the music but nothing else.
Tweaked the settings quit a bit but just couldn't get any to play right. Hopefully, they can get this up and running on the Ouya.
Not all games play slow. Here is a list so far that play fine (smooth with sound) on my Excite 7.7, TF300, Nook HD+ and S4.
Burnout Dominator
Guilty Gear Judgment
Hotshots Open Tee
Namcom Battle Museum
Lumins 1 (not 2)
Star Soldier
Street Fighter Alpha 3 remix
Guilty Gear XX
Megaman Powerup
Metal Slug XX
Blaz Blue (both games)
Need for Speed Carbon
NeoGeo Shooter (it is a shootemup with different NeoGeo characters)
Full Auto 2
I actually own the PSP games to compare to, except NeoGeo shooter. For some reason, it would not work on my PSP when I tried it out and local Disc Replay gamestore.
More games do not work than do, but I was impressed enough to contribute. There are some others that work, but I have most on my tablets and only a few on my S4- going by memory of what does.
The forums seem to have a thread going for hints on how to improve speeds: http://forums.ppsspp.org/showthread.php?tid=5236
Some games need Buffered Rendering.
Some games have no sound unless you download the unofficial atrac3 library from within the app.
The topic started on May, when the version in the stores was 0.8.1. Checked for updates since then? Last version in the store is 0.9.1, and last version on git is 0.9.1.2xx.
I've noticed a huge speed boost from setting the frame buffer to the gpu, some games are actually playable although the full 3d ones are still at about 65%. Hopefully the official ouya release will work better.
I haven't tried it on my OUYA, but one of my friends said using a PSP emulator and connecting his OUYA to a projector was a winning combination.
I have tried PPSSPP on my NVIDIA Shield (Tegra 4) and at first I was skeptical about it - audio was choppy and performance wasn't great in some situations, but then like the next day there was an update to PPSSPP and since then it has been running phenomenal (at least on the games I care about). I love using the "Unthrottle" feature to essentially fast forward the game too
So if you haven't tried it in a while you might give it another go. Shield is of course more powerful than OUYA, but you might at least have better results than before.
~Troop
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I haven't tried it on my OUYA, but one of my friends said using a PSP emulator and connecting his OUYA to a projector was a winning combination.
I have tried PPSSPP on my NVIDIA Shield (Tegra 4) and at first I was skeptical about it - audio was choppy and performance wasn't great in some situations, but then like the next day there was an update to PPSSPP and since then it has been running phenomenal (at least on the games I care about). I love using the "Unthrottle" feature to essentially fast forward the game too
So if you haven't tried it in a while you might give it another go. Shield is of course more powerful than OUYA, but you might at least have better results than before.
~Troop
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Hi!
I have a shield too but cannot make ppsspp work properly. U put ur roms on the sd or the internal storage? do u use any kind of special setting?
thx a lot!
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Has anyone else tried the ppsspp emulator? I loaded Wipeout Pure and after changing a few setting, the best I get is a slightly slow version with no sound and frame skipping. That was the most playable I could get it. When I first loaded it it was total slow motion. Wipeout is a confirmed working game for this emu so I'm interested to see what settings combos people may have found that work for the OUYA.
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I play ppsspp on my phone with my friends all the time multiplayer It's cool and runs fast
I installed ppsspp on my samsung galaxy note 4. And it's absolutely amazing. Played tekken 6 in full 60 fps. But Wipeout pulse is lagging in some parts of the racing track (always at the same places. The framerate is constantly at 40 fps then, but the game runs really slow. Doesn't matter what settings I apply
Playstation 1 Games play smoothly on the Fire TV using Emulators for Android, because of the faster processor and 2 GB Ram it feel like a PS1 on steroids.
I used Amazon Controller and it was working nicely, you could even connect a PS3 controller, to get the ultimate Playstation experience.
Here is the video how to, Peace:
http://youtu.be/cgayRcYw2vY
I've been using epsxe emulator for playing old PS1 games. I've only tested 3 so far due to space limitations on the AFTV. Final Doom didn't work at all just black screen. Kula World works but has graphical glitches and Tomb Raider Last Revalation works perfectly. The sooner Amazon enable USB to be used for external storage the better as I've only room for one PSX game at a time due to low memory and my AFTV is less than a week old.
Yes me too I would love to see the fire Tv with the USB Storage enabled or even a new model that's offer 64 gigs of stores, because it's can't replace many physical Devices. And I have a feeling that the next fire TV Will be fantastic.
Do you have to have root to do this?
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Do you have to have root to do this?
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No, no root required. Just sideload the epsxe apk (or Fpse apk). You'll also need a PS1 bios and game rom files for whichever game you want to play. And a controller.
Curious if you have this working with ROM Collection Browser and if so what emulator you are using?
Haven't used this with rcb yet only using standalone emulator but mame and SNES 9x both work with rcb. Had never used it before until tonight so took a while to learn to configure. Will try epsxe with it tomorrow.
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Set one of my aftv with a sideloaded free version of epsxe and the game Medievil last night. All went well except that I had to map all the buttons on the Fire tv game controller. Game play was very responsive and extremely good quality picture.
Is there any way to have games on my network storage and access/play from there?
I don't think that would be possible. Think the psx rom images would be way too big to do this over a home network. Hopefully I'm wrong as I keep all my different game roms on a drive together and would love to be able to access and play from this via a network share.
So this device apparently starts shipping tomorrow right? When it does can someone please download some emulators and try them out? I would like to especially see the performance of PPSSPP, the PSP emulator. I would be eternally grateful to you. If you have access to various Bluetooth controllers I would like to hear about the compatibility of those as well if possible
Yes, If this product can smoothly run some of the games I have downloaded, then I should be picking one up. I'm sure it going to be hard to download games with such limted storage, but hopefully someone can showcase some quality android titles. It basically has OUYA specs; however, with a more powerful CPU. I want to buy one, as it would be my first Nexus product. Some cool titles I would want to see runnig: MC5, GT racing as Asphalt 8 I've seen, and Need For Speed Most Wanted.
As a regard to emulators, It has 8gb of storage, good luck!
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Yes, If this product can smoothly run some of the games I have downloaded, then I should be picking one up. I'm sure it going to be hard to download games with such limted storage, but hopefully someone can showcase some quality android titles. It basically has OUYA specs; however, with a more powerful CPU. I want to buy one, as it would be my first Nexus product. Some cool titles I would want to see runnig: MC5, GT racing as Asphalt 8 I've seen, and Need For Speed Most Wanted.
As a regard to emulators, It has 8gb of storage, good luck!
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Yeah if this had a Tegra K1 chip in it I would've been there Day 1 no questions asked, but as it is standing I'd rather wait and see some impressions first.
disorder78 said:
Yes, If this product can smoothly run some of the games I have downloaded, then I should be picking one up. I'm sure it going to be hard to download games with such limted storage, but hopefully someone can showcase some quality android titles. It basically has OUYA specs; however, with a more powerful CPU. I want to buy one, as it would be my first Nexus product. Some cool titles I would want to see runnig: MC5, GT racing as Asphalt 8 I've seen, and Need For Speed Most Wanted.
As a regard to emulators, It has 8gb of storage, good luck!
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I would hardly say the ouya's GPU compares to the G6430.
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I would hardly say the ouya's GPU compares to the G6430.
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Yeah, definitely. It outscores the GeForce ULP in the Tegra 3 by 2x-10x depending on the benchmark, and specifically handles the higher resolution (like the 1080p at which these devices tend to run) much better. Given the fact that even the Ouya was able to emulate up through the N64 reasonably well I think that the Nexus Player will make a great emulation device.
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So this device apparently starts shipping tomorrow right? When it does can someone please download some emulators and try them out? I would like to especially see the performance of PPSSPP, the PSP emulator. I would be eternally grateful to you. If you have access to various Bluetooth controllers I would like to hear about the compatibility of those as well if possible
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I believe it was the Ars Technica review where they had the N64 emulator running on it flawlessly. Seems emulation will be great on this box (seemingly one of only a few strong points).
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I believe it was the Ars Technica review where they had the N64 emulator running on it flawlessly. Seems emulation will be great on this box (seemingly one of only a few strong points).
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Oh man, thanks for the reply. I was looking to emulate PSP games more than anything but I guess up to N64 and maybe Dreamcast is fine as well.
I use my N64 and SNES emulators and they work great!! It runs better than my Xbox one which sucks at most things.
Here are some pictures of it on my TV using Super GNES and Mupen64
The pictures I took aren't the best but it runs great. You can map the buttons on the gamepad however you want which makes it great and my wife loves it
Just wanted to chime in here and say that it works perfectly fine with the Wii U USB adapter and a Wii U Pro controller. Just make sure the adapter switch is set on the Xinput setting
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Just wanted to chime in here and say that it works perfectly fine with the Wii U USB adapter and a Wii U Pro controller. Just make sure the adapter switch is set on the Xinput setting
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how many controllers does the adapter support at one time?
I'm using the PCE.emu and Neo.emu and they work fine. Only thing that makes me crazy is that sideloaded apps are too large for the TV display, some menu options are difficult to read. Does anybody know if there is a way to adjust the resolution for sideloaded apps so they fit the TV screen properly?
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how many controllers does the adapter support at one time?
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The listing on Amazon says that it supports up to 4 controllers with the 'direct input' mode, however I tried using the direct input mode and it seemed to not want to use the d pad and all of the buttons performed the same action. Using 'xinput' (I think this just emulates the Xbox controller input) everything mapped perfectly and all was well, the bad news is that it can only do 1 controller at a time using this method, so you'd need 1 usb adapter per controller. Also I have only 1 Wii U Pro controller so I don't have any way to test if multiple controllers even work with the direct input mode, it's worked perfectly with 'xinput' so I haven't moved it from there.
Its hard to see there but on the side there's a toggle switch that lets you pick between 'dinput' and 'xinput'.
How does one install the emulator? Do I need to do this over adb ? If so, how can I download an apk from the play store?
I can't get Super GNES to work. I install it and it says there is a new version on the play store and for me to download it. Well I downloaded it from the play store so I don't see how its not the newest version. Where are you getting your version of Super GNES?
Searching for a tutorial on how to sideload an app...
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Searching for a tutorial on how to sideload an app...
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If the app you want to "sideload" is in the normal Play store, all you have to do is load up the Play store on your computer then click install and select your Nexus Player as the device. That simple. You'll also want to install Chainfire's Sideload Launcher app from the Play store as well, as that makes accessing non-android tv optimized apps easier:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.tv.sideloadlauncher&hl=en
If you have an apk you'd rather install manually, you'll have to use adb and an a cable or use ES File Explorer (or equivalent) to transfer the apk from your computer/etc over wifi. There are already a few topics in these threads that discuss how.
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I can't get Super GNES to work. I install it and it says there is a new version on the play store and for me to download it. Well I downloaded it from the play store so I don't see how its not the newest version. Where are you getting your version of Super GNES?
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I got the same error with the (non-free) non-lite version of GNES. Tried the (free) lite version and that works fine (version 1.5.4). I'm not too experienced with sideloading, but perhaps the non-free nature of the full version of SuperGNES is the issue? The free version sucks though, since you can't load saved states, so it seems I can't continue my progress even though the ROM in question has save functionality.
Just wanted to share my experiences so far, since this is one of the bigger reasons I bought the NP. I've managed to load NES.emu, 2600.emu, MAME4Droid (0.37b5), and Mupen64 AE so far.
Installing apps:
Like many have suggested, I was able to load a couple of apps like ES Explorer and NES.emu through the Google Play web site and selecting the NP as the installation target. However, MAME and a couple of other apps would not install this way, so I have to sideload Aptoide and use that to install the remaining apps. Note that since no web browser is available, I had to use another tablet to identify the stores where apps could be found, and add them manually before selecting apps and installing them.
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For the most part, the remote suffices, but it's not perfect. I installed ChainFire's Sideload Launcher, as only NES.emu shows up in my apps menu on the home screen. However, I happened to own a Nyko Playpad (not the Pro) from a while ago that I never really used. While I can't recommend it as a great gaming controller, it does have one key feature that turns it from run-of-the-mill control pad to ultimate NP utility. It contains a switch that allows you to switch between HID, iCade, Mouse, and App modes. It's the Mouse setting that makes this controller truly useful, because without it, I couldn't navigate around MAME to set up my control pad, or navigate around Mupen64 to quit out of a game (how else are people achieving this? Just quitting out?) Basically, to really set up many of the emus properly, you need some kind of mouse input, so it's nice that I can switch the Playpad back and forth between HID and Mouse modes as needed.
Performance:
Obviously, NES.emu and 2600.emu are not really demanding, so they work "flawlessly" (as in, any problems are due to the emulators, not the NP.) I also chose the smaller MAME, and nothing in there really pushes the system too hard. Street Fighter II Turbo ran as fast as expected. The only really challenge to the system was Mupen64. I'm happy to say that it ran everything that it was capable of running at full frame rate, and the only hiccups were related to the emulator itself. It successfully ran Super Mario 64, Mario Kart 64, Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Star Fox 64, and Mischief Makers. It could not Blast Corps or Bomberman 64.
All in all, I can say that things work well, provided you have the right equipment. For me, the mode switch feature of the Nyko Playpad is indispensable, although if you have a bluetooth enabled mouse device, that will suffice. Things can only get better. I haven't tried PPSSPP yet, but that will be my next test.
Thank you so much sjj.
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