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I was just wondering for those that have the Bell version of the Atrix, how many of you guys are experiencing muffled outgoing voice quality?
I am so far on my second one and it is still muffled regardless of what noise suppression option I use.
I am thinking of exchanging for a third one but I'm not sure if I will just get another dud or not.
For those that do not have this issue, what is the manufacturing date on your Atrix? I think its that date on the side of the box. Both phones I have gotten had the date 3/1/2011.
Are there any possible remedies to this problem?
I am suffering from muffled call quality, but I'm on AT&T. Ive never had this problem on my other phones in the same exact area. I would like to know whether or not it effects all phones, and if I should exchange it.
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My buddy bought an atrix the other day and he said he could hear me clearly out of my atrix but his was horribly muffled, but then I asked him what case was using, I had him remove the poorly designed case I think it was the bodyglove model,so if anyone is using a poorly designed case and they have this issue consider this variable. As soon as he took off the case his voice was perfectly clear and before it was muffled and unclear
I can only speak on behalf of my AT&T Attic experience, but im sure it is not too different in the voice quality issue.
This 'muffled' voice issue is a well documented and widespread issue. You may want to check out the motorola forums, where there exists a thread with hundreds of replies about this issue.
I experienced this poor call quality with 2 Atrix phones. Only on my second exchange (3rd phone), did I get a unit that did not suffer from the call quality issue. As a side note, turning off noise suppression did nothing to aleviate my call quality problem (as it might be suggested by some).
This issue has also been discussed in length here on XDA.
My advice, keep exchanging units until you find one that does not have the muffled call quality. (Talk about QC on Motorola's part!)
Good luck!
I guess I'll try exchanging for a third one and hopefully third is the charm.
I've had this problem intermittently since February 22nd. I kept it, thinking a software update would help. The last update did not help. Here's what AT&T did for me. Nothing. Because it was intermittent, I couldn't reproduce it on demand so they wouldn't warranty it. They wanted a hard reset, I had already done that and it didn't help so I refused to do it again. I have two of these and made it pretty clear the other one didn't suffer the issue. You gotta love these "scripted" calls where these people aren't allowed to use their brains and just provide some good old fashioned customer service.
So I had to send it back directly to Motorola for repair. That means no phone in the mean time.
AT&T should decide if they will warranty products or not. Pretty half assed experience. But I suppose I'll do better by sending it directly back to Motorola.
-James
I had the same problem done many test on with different cases and then done some researching after doing all that i found a setting on the phone. and it fixed it. Settings/ Call settings/ Noise suppression/ then choose off. i have done several tests with the 3 different settings and that seemed to fix it now everyone i talk too says they hear me clear again.
I have had this issue since I got the "phone". I say "phone" because it's basically unusable as a phone, unless you use speakerphone and hope they can make out what you're saying, good luck trying to give a chinese order. Took me 15minutes last night because my bluetooth headset was in the truck. I went through 3 different people trying to give my order to before one guy could FINALLY understand me after practically having to scream my credit card number at him 16 times. Once you pair a headset and use it however, it's fine.
There are hundreds of people complaining about this and Motorola just keeps telling people they fixed it in the latest update (two updates ago).
Do some google searches for "atrix call quality" and the like, you'll actually be surprised at how many people have returned phones and went with something else entirely. Getting a new phone does nothing to solve this issue for most people. Sadly, the majority of consumers don't realize their phones are affected and just chock it up to just phones generally being bad, not realizing how good it *SHOULD* sound.
EDIT: Forgot to mention I have an AT&T Atrix and bought it directly from them.
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I have had this issue since I got the "phone". I say "phone" because it's basically unusable as a phone, unless you use speakerphone and hope they can make out what you're saying, good luck trying to give a chinese order. Took me 15minutes last night because my bluetooth headset was in the truck. I went through 3 different people trying to give my order to before one guy could FINALLY understand me after practically having to scream my credit card number at him 16 times. Once you pair a headset and use it however, it's fine.
There are hundreds of people complaining about this and Motorola just keeps telling people they fixed it in the latest update (two updates ago).
Do some google searches for "atrix call quality" and the like, you'll actually be surprised at how many people have returned phones and went with something else entirely. Getting a new phone does nothing to solve this issue for most people. Sadly, the majority of consumers don't realize their phones are affected and just chock it up to just phones generally being bad, not realizing how good it *SHOULD* sound.
EDIT: Forgot to mention I have an AT&T Atrix and bought it directly from them.
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Not all Atrix units are affected by this problem. I returned my phone twice and only on the third phone, did I not have any more call quality issues with the "muffled" sounding voice calls.
BTW, as a side note, the first two phones were from the same batch of phones(same store, etc..) The third, and finally usable one, was from a different batch.
My guess is that entire manufacturing batches came out with this problem.
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Not all Atrix units are affected by this problem. I returned my phone twice and only on the third phone, did I not have any more call quality issues with the "muffled" sounding voice calls.
BTW, as a side note, the first two phones were from the same batch of phones(same store, etc..) The third, and finally usable one, was from a different batch.
My guess is that entire manufacturing batches came out with this problem.
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So, then this is looking more like them denying a quality control issue :/ great. Is it hardware causing this issue? Or just oversensitive noise-cancellation software? I don't think Motorola even knows.. haha
mudd_cat23 said:
I had the same problem done many test on with different cases and then done some researching after doing all that i found a setting on the phone. and it fixed it. Settings/ Call settings/ Noise suppression/ then choose off. i have done several tests with the 3 different settings and that seemed to fix it now everyone i talk too says they hear me clear again.
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Thanks for the tip. Highly appreciated. Didn't know this was possible.
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So, then this is looking more like them denying a quality control issue :/ great. Is it hardware causing this issue? Or just oversensitive noise-cancellation software? I don't think Motorola even knows.. haha
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I would venture to say that it's either hardware or a deeply rooted software issue. If it was just a SIMPLE software problem, then flashing different SBFs would technically get rid of the problem, maybe? Have you checked out the thread on the Motorola forums? It's insane.
Anyways, yeah. It's a major QC problem. I had other problems: 1. My LED flash would turn on, stay on for about 10 secs and then one of them would start flashing and eventually turn off. 2. Another problem with the phone's LCD behaving really erratically at different times of the day. 3. The muffled voice. All these are hardware problems that should not have made it out of the factory.
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I've had this problem intermittently since February 22nd. I kept it, thinking a software update would help. The last update did not help. Here's what AT&T did for me. Nothing. Because it was intermittent, I couldn't reproduce it on demand so they wouldn't warranty it. They wanted a hard reset, I had already done that and it didn't help so I refused to do it again. I have two of these and made it pretty clear the other one didn't suffer the issue. You gotta love these "scripted" calls where these people aren't allowed to use their brains and just provide some good old fashioned customer service.
So I had to send it back directly to Motorola for repair. That means no phone in the mean time.
AT&T should decide if they will warranty products or not. Pretty half assed experience. But I suppose I'll do better by sending it directly back to Motorola.
-James
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Did you get your warranty replacement phone back yet? Did it fix the problem? I just sent mine in today to get warranty replacement, this better fix the voice problem...do not want to have to send another one back on my dime!!!
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Did you get your warranty replacement phone back yet? Did it fix the problem? I just sent mine in today to get warranty replacement, this better fix the voice problem...do not want to have to send another one back on my dime!!!
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Just got it in the mail. I'll report back in a few days. They did actually claim to have replaced two parts and sent back the same unit.
On the plus side, once they got it, it only took them 3 days to fix it and they fedexed it back overnight.
-James
One day after the repair. About 10 phone calls, none were garbled or suffered low volume on the receivers end. So far.
I think I'm glad I sent it back to Motorola for an actual physical repair instead of risking getting a refurb from AT&T that might possibly suffer the same issue.
-James
Hmm that's interesting. I have given up on getting new replacements after the 3rd showed the same problem. I may consider going the repair route.
yes, but on AT&T
Is anyone else still having this issue? I haven't made enough phone calls to realize the problem until now. I'm running on CyanogenMod so I don't have the noise suppression feature to turn off. Would they still repair an unlocked phone? I've been making more calls lately and it is driving me nuts.
I'm trying to get my phone to be exchanged through warranty, but tmobile wants to do a technical troubleshooting to see if they can fix it. My question is.. Can tmobile see that my device is rooted when they run these tests? Should I unroot prior to letting them run tests? If so, can someone provide me with the most simple guide to unroot? Thanks!
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Well either way if you are trying to get a warranty exchange you should revert everything to stock. Not just root. Look in the wiki as I can't post links from my phone. Some people will say the unlocker guide is better others will say the one here is. Look at each of them and see what you think would be the easiest
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What exactly is wrong with your phone? Are you sure its hardware related?
You'll have to unroot and return to stock in order to initiate a warranty replacement. So if its hardware related then you'll have to unroot anyways to send it back.
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I'm trying to get my phone to be exchanged through warranty, but tmobile wants to do a technical troubleshooting to see if they can fix it. My question is..
1) Can tmobile see that my device is rooted when they run these tests?
2)Should I unroot prior to letting them run tests? If so, can someone provide me with the most simple guide to unroot? Thanks!
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1) they don't run 'tests'... they ask you to reboot, perform a factory reset... assuming you're talking about the queue card reading 'customer support' phone helpers.
2) make a nandroid backup... then do whatever they want. you can always restore.
i've sent in 3 G2's in the last couple of months. the service reps all ask me to reset it to factory blah blah blah even after describing the exact, widely known problem: faulty speaker
after 20 minutes of BS, they finally concede and sent out new phones each time. the support techs actually said they don't care if it's rooted, or running anything, so long as it's hardware related.
i wish the FUD about software/hardware would cease.
You've received new G2s every time??
My phone's touchscreen is acting up. It would start selecting things by it else. Like I was pressing it. And sometimes it would press and stick (like u using ur finger and u keep it on the touchscreen) so then I can't do anything. Other times, the Y H and B keys don't work on my on screen keyboard. I've factory reseted several times. Even installed a fresh ROM but problem still persisted so I expect it to be a hardware issue now.
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1) they don't run 'tests'... they ask you to reboot, perform a factory reset... assuming you're talking about the queue card reading 'customer support' phone helpers.
2) make a nandroid backup... then do whatever they want. you can always restore.
i've sent in 3 G2's in the last couple of months. the service reps all ask me to reset it to factory blah blah blah even after describing the exact, widely known problem: faulty speaker
after 20 minutes of BS, they finally concede and sent out new phones each time. the support techs actually said they don't care if it's rooted, or running anything, so long as it's hardware related.
i wish the FUD about software/hardware would cease.
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Well I just got off of the phone with a support tech from T-Mobile. Told them that I had rooted the phone and had restored it back to factory stock. They said since I rooted the device that it voided the warranty. =(
My phone has touch screen issues and I was attempted to get a replacement. I don't know if they wrote down in the notes but I am thinking I will try again tomorrow. If not then I will call about a different line with the same phone and just send them mine back.
Any suggestions?
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Well I just got off of the phone with a support tech from T-Mobile. Told them that I had rooted the phone and had restored it back to factory stock. They said since I rooted the device that it voided the warranty. =(
My phone has touch screen issues and I was attempted to get a replacement. I don't know if they wrote down in the notes but I am thinking I will try again tomorrow. If not then I will call about a different line with the same phone and just send them mine back.
Any suggestions?
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Why would you EVER willingly tell them you rooted? there's no way for them to tell if you just unroot and return to stock before you send it in...
I know it was an idiot move on my part. I read a few times in various places that the reps don't really care if it was or not and I mistakenly told him when he asked. I can't go back in time now though
I think this is an extra thing to the fact that I have a few days left before my warranty expires anyways. I think I bought it on Sept 8th. :/
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Hello there. I went to Los Angeles last month and after a little research on tablet pcs, I decided to buy a nexus for my wife. Since I had no time to order it online, decided to visit a retail store at Santa Monica called Macmall.
I was bringing this as a gift, so I bought it and opened it right away just to make sure it was working properly.
So, I went back to argentina, wife happy with her nexus, until yesterday.
She came crying saying that the nexus was broken.
The screen is showing nothing but vertical lines. The touchscreen is responding to finger swipes and sound works, but of course all of that is useless since screen is defective.
She swears she didn't hit, drop or wet the tablet pc, I did check it many times and it has absolutely no signs of mistreatment.
I turned it off, soft reset pressing power for ten seconds, removed the cover and the battery, and once, I was able to see the Google logo properly but quickly vanished into lines again.
So... What options do you think I have?
Nexus is not being sold on my country and Google is giving me no support at all.
I contacted Asus through their website, still waiting for an answer but I'm not sure if they will help since I'm far away from USA.
I'll appreciate any help, or piece of advice you can give me.
You might be in luck. I had a problem with the speaker once, thinking it was the hardware, and I thought I would have to return it. I think for fixing your screen problem, you should reflash the stock Rom. If you are unfamiliar with what I am trying to say, it is basically like reinstalling the stock Operating System (Android). Find out how to reflash the stock Rom. Since you could see the Google logo properly, i'm pretty sure it isn't hardware. Might just be a corrupted stock Rom. Here is a guide that should work: Click Here. It will wipe all of your data/storage so it will be like your Nexus 7 came out of the box.
Best of luck recovering it!
Edit: What is also very weird is it seems like it happened suddenly. Not out of the box, but randomly.
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You might be in luck. I had a problem with the speaker once, thinking it was the hardware, and I thought I would have to return it. I think for fixing your screen problem, you should reflash the stock Rom. If you are unfamiliar with what I am trying to say, it is basically like reinstalling the stock Operating System (Android). Find out how to reflash the stock Rom. Since you could see the Google logo properly, i'm pretty sure it isn't hardware. Might just be a corrupted stock Rom. Here is a guide that should
Edit: What is also very weird is it seems like it happened suddenly. Not out of the box, but randomly.
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Thanks for the answer. I may have not expressed myself correctly.
I'm not seeing anything on the screen but those annoying vertical lines.
After removing the battery a few times, once showed me the Google logo, just a one second flash, and then the lines again.
The only person I saw with this very same problem, had it as you said, straight from the box.
I asked my wife and she updated the nexus a few days ago and barely used it, so even if it sounds weird it could be a software issue.
Question is, will I be able to reinstall the stock OS just guessing where to push, I mean, with only those lines on the screen. I'm like... Blindfolded
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Thanks for the answer. I may have not expressed myself correctly.
I'm not seeing anything on the screen but those annoying vertical lines.
After removing the battery a few times, once showed me the Google logo, just a one second flash, and then the lines again.
The only person I saw with this very same problem, had it as you said, straight from the box.
I asked my wife and she updated the nexus a few days ago and barely used it, so even if it sounds weird it could be a software issue.
Question is, will I be able to reinstall the stock OS just guessing where to push, I mean, with only those lines on the screen. I'm like... Blindfolded
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Oh now I see. First, anyway, do not manually remove your battery. That might affect something. To force shutdown hold down the volume down and power button for about 10-20 seconds until it turns off. Now, with the vertical lines, now i'm pretty sure since you clarified, it is the software. I think I know a fix for reflashing the stock Rom. Use this toolkit: Here. Click the option "Flash stock and unroot". Try that and it will Flash stock. Try software updating once it works and you could boot up without the problem. If it still has the problem if you software update (Unlikely), then just do that again and keep it at stock version.
Hope this helps!
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Oh now I see. First, anyway, do not manually remove your battery. That might affect something. To force shutdown hold down the volume down and power button for about 10-20 seconds until it turns off. Now, with the vertical lines, now i'm pretty sure since you clarified, it is the software. I think I know a fix for reflashing the stock Rom. Use this toolkit:Here. Click the option "Flash stock and unroot". Try that and it will Flash stock. Try software updating once it works and you could boot up without the problem. If it still has the problem if you software update (Unlikely), then just do that again and keep it at stock version.
Hope this helps!
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Once again, thanks.:good:
I'm still not allowed to post any URLs, but I found a video on youtube of a guy with exactly the same problem.
Just search "Jon417silka nexus" and you'll see it.
I'm dowloading this NexusRootToolkit you recommended, it's +200MB so it'll take a while.
I have no skills on flashing or rooting any device, but I have read the instructions and doesn't seem to be too complicated.
I'll be awake all night trying to solve it if it's necessary.
I'll let you know how it went in a few hours.
Well... I finally downloaded the nexus root toolkit.
It was kinda easy actually, just had some hard time trying to enable the USB debugging mode, since... well i can't see anything on the screen.
I was able to download the drivers, and run the stock rom but, unfortunately, no luck on the screen.
Im just seeing green lines which i assume is the green android logo on the center on the first boot or something.
by the way, google answered me today saying somthing like, they cant do anything since im outside the us, so i have to contact asus.
It's too bad flashing the stock rom didn't fix it, I'd say it seems to be a hardware problem.
Even if you were in USA, google will only help you if you bought it within 14 days from Google Play Store.
You should call Asus Argentina [ http://latin.asus.com/Static_WebPage/Service_center_argentina/ ] and explain what is wrong, and give them the serial number. The number is located somewhere on the box, and on a removable sticker on the bottom back of the Nexus [As well as in the Settings, but you cannot read the screen so that is useless]. If you can't find the serial number, you might be able to get it via adb, but I'm not sure.
Asus has a 1 year warranty on tablets, but I'm not completely positive what they will say since it was bought in USA, and you are now in Argentina. But hopefully they will be able to RMA it and repair/replace your device. gl!
Yeah, it has to be hardware. I think you should follow Sikagoon7's advice and return it because it is under law. It couldn't be your or your wife's fault, because as you described, there were no scratches or anything. I guess it just might be a bad device. Replace it because the Nexus 7 is so worth it.
Probly gpu chipset. Its getting distorting at high frequency. Since first logo is a small frequency image and some times provided for BIOS its show normal. (Thats my guess)
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I was giving up all my hopes on this, plugged the nexus to the computer and clicked the OEM lock to return to its original factory state.
You know... I don't want them to say my warranty it's void for messing with it.
Of course, I didn't noticed any changes, swiped my finger a couple times and then...
WHAT THE....
The lines vanished and screen started to function properly, a few lines were noticeable for a few moments, now the screen is fine.
Now things got even weirder...
My wife it's been using it for two hours, with Monsters Ate My Condo (which may be pushing the cpu a little bit) and it's working flawlessly.
Problem is... I'm pretty sure that if the screen turns off it will die again.
Is there a way to keep the nexus always on, never go to sleep, just dim the screen to minium brightness or something...
Any other solution you guys think i can try is also welcome.
Please understand that returning this to Asus will be my last resort (if they decide to accept it, which I'm not sure).
Once again, thanks for everyone's time and replies
If you can not turn off your screen without it breaking it I would RMA it back to Asus.
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If you can not turn off your screen without it breaking it I would RMA it back to Asus.
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Well... It worked properly for two hours, now it died again.
I wanted RMA to be my last resort, but I'm running out of options here...
Did you already start the RMA process?
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Did you already start the RMA process?
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No, I haven't.
I don't even know where to start...
The fact that I live in Argentina may be a complication.
Since Asus is does not sell the Nexus here, they probably won't help me at all.
And the distance may be a problem since shipping to USA is quite expensive.
I contacted Asus via their global website, still waiting for an answer.
This option kind of sucks but maybe you should sell it cheaper to someone on xda have them use the warranty exchange and you could buy another one also possibly from xda. Like i said it sucks but it may be your best option at this point.
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Also make sure to link back to this thread if you decide to take that route.
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I'm gonna bump this old thread I started about a year ago, to share with you guys the rest of the story.
I contacted north american ASUS RMA by email since Google is not taking any responsibility for their tablet.
And latin american ASUS won't take my warranty as valid.
I tried to explain my complicated situation to the RMA guy. It was a little hard to understand since my english is not flawless.
But I had a friend flying to united states, he carried my broken nexus with him and sent it to repair as soon as he arrived.
Tricky part was: he was only staying for 10 days. So ASUS had ten days to receive, repair, and send the Nexus back to my friend so he could bring it to Argentina.
I crossed my fingers and decided to wait, fortunately they did a good job and now it's working back again.
However I noticed the battery doesn't lasts for as long as I expected...
Anyway thanks to everyone for sharing ideas and for your time.
Hi all,
I just got off the phone with Google support... I phoned them because my nexus definitely has heat issues when I fire up need for speed it gets like a furnace...
When I was on the phone though they told me the warranty was void as it had been rooted (<3 TB)... how can they tell?
Does this mean my nexus is permanently ear marked?
Thanks.
Did they ask you to read out any info from the about screen?
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Did they ask you to read out any info from the about screen?
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Serial number...
But surely they can't just remote onto device like that. probably in the T&C. FML.
dont know mate was it new when u got it?
If not just tell them nope i dont know what your talking about, root wtf is root???
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dont know mate was it new when u got it?
If not just tell them nope i dont know what your talking about, root wtf is root???
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Yeah brand new. Straight from Gplay.
That's exactly what I did... still wouldn't process repair or anything sent me Samsung contact details for out of warranty repair. :S
Keep calling mate say they are wrong, keep at it mate just say i want to talk to a manager bla bla, keep pushing them
That's really strange. If they don't budge then contact Samsung directly using the contact info in the warranty that shipped with the phone for a warranty repair or replacement.
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Yeah brand new. Straight from Gplay.
That's exactly what I did... still wouldn't process repair or anything sent me Samsung contact details for out of warranty repair. :S
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I'm new to all this stuff so PLEASE do not do anything based on my flimsy idea, ... just thought it might help send you down a different thought/investigative path.
I installed a toolkit that had a re-lock and un-root option thinking that if I ever got into a similar warranty situation, I would just kinda go "backwards in time" and after using TWRP to backup my tablet, do a full factory wipe, and re-lock then un-root (or whichever comes first) THEN report the problem.:fingers-crossed:
You may have let the cat out of the bag by calling first though
It seems you need to find out how they know,erase the evidence,re-lock un-root and then as juDGEY2k10 says- DENY DENY DENY- you know, like "Dexter" does:laugh: .
But wada I know. Keep us posted on your progress.
Im no expert but I don't see how they can tell unless when you get new apps or update apps from the play store they pulling information from the units. Hopefully they arent doing that.
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I have never seen root voiding warranty of a nexus device before, even though it says so.
I've noticed their bug report tool, built in, attempts to call su, so perhaps they do check now.
I'd prefer to see a root method where the app hides the binary under a unique name so they can't call it to find out.
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If Google is doing that, hopefully they won't share that info with manufacturers.
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Hi all,
I just got off the phone with Google support... I phoned them because my nexus definitely has heat issues when I fire up need for speed it gets like a furnace...
When I was on the phone though they told me the warranty was void as it had been rooted (<3 TB)... how can they tell?
Does this mean my nexus is permanently ear marked?
Thanks.
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Let's assume what the OP is saying is true, which it probably isn't. Many states provide additional consumer protection, even if there was a clause in the warranty which reduces your rights. (There is no clause which explicitly removes your right to root in the Nexus 10 warranty, but IANAL.)
The manufacturer is still responsible for physical defects.
However, I cannot imagine that someone would call Google and receive that answer and not be angry, mentioning the rep by name he talked to, and asking to make sure that the rep's claim was accurate.
Perhaps the OP is not telling the whole story, (e.g. he called and proclaimed that he was an advanced user, gave the rep attitude, rep came back with "oh yeah well you're rooted, we don't have to support you". Anyone who has done customer service or help desk knows what I'm talking about.) or just plain making the whole thing up, since I have never heard of any company refusing to service a rooted device unless there was a problem user with multiple returns.
I do acknowledge that the OP may not be full of crap, but if that is the case, I strongly advise OP not to take what a single rep said as gospel and keep calling back and asking for a supervisor until it's resolved.
However, there's another issue:
If the OP rooted, installed a custom kernel, found his device ran too hot, then called Google complaining without first reverting to stock and testing to make sure it wasn't the custom kernel causing the overheating, the OP's brain is the thing needing a warranty exchange.
I contacted Google about my nexus 10 dropping wifi randomly a few days ago.
The guy who I spoke to was quite nice and told me to do a factory reset. I told him I had already done that and I had also tried CM10, AOKP as some people have said that fixes any kernel/rom issues and I said the problem remains on everything I do so it had to be the device.
I was offered a refund outside the 15 day period and I chose a replacement which was shipped today.
If I spoke to someone who said that they couldn't help me because I'm rooted, I'd hang up and try again. Although if you are having problems a full restore to stock will be helpful if you ring up and speak to them.
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Let's assume what the OP is saying is true, which it probably isn't. Many states provide additional consumer protection, even if there was a clause in the warranty which reduces your rights. (There is no clause which explicitly removes your right to root in the Nexus 10 warranty, but IANAL.)
The manufacturer is still responsible for physical defects.
However, I cannot imagine that someone would call Google and receive that answer and not be angry, mentioning the rep by name he talked to, and asking to make sure that the rep's claim was accurate.
Perhaps the OP is not telling the whole story, (e.g. he called and proclaimed that he was an advanced user, gave the rep attitude, rep came back with "oh yeah well you're rooted, we don't have to support you". Anyone who has done customer service or help desk knows what I'm talking about.) or just plain making the whole thing up, since I have never heard of any company refusing to service a rooted device unless there was a problem user with multiple returns.
I do acknowledge that the OP may not be full of crap, but if that is the case, I strongly advise OP not to take what a single rep said as gospel and keep calling back and asking for a supervisor until it's resolved.
However, there's another issue:
If the OP rooted, installed a custom kernel, found his device ran too hot, then called Google complaining without first reverting to stock and testing to make sure it wasn't the custom kernel causing the overheating, the OP's brain is the thing needing a warranty exchange.
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I totally understand where you're coming from.
I used to work behind the genius bar so I know what you're getting at.
The full story is that I phoned up first and arranged a swap but realised that they would send to university address and not home phoned back again to change address and that's when the guy tried some extra steps with me and then asked for serial etc, you know the rest.
I get his word isn't stone but was shocked that they could definitely tell, wanted to share exp.
In all honesty the reason I didn't act rationally was that he ultimately called me out and I was major surprised since I'd never heard of anything similar before aka remote sense of root.
This is literally the third android device I've had and I'm only getting into the scene now, there's no custom kernel on my nexus. I run it stock.
FYI this was UK. Oh and CS didn't deny service they just referred me to someone else. Will try again post hols.
Hope explains!
?? Has anyone else experienced major heat on NFS:MW ??
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I'd prefer to see a root method where the app hides the binary under a unique name so they can't call it to find out.
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you mean like the way a rootkit does it
?? Has anyone else experienced major heat on NFS:MW ??
Mine do to and lag in a lot of games because of throttling
Hey guys, i recently bought a phone off of eBay and added insurance on it through open enrollment at Verizon. It was a refurb phone for Assurion. Now the issue is that the screen sometimes become unresponsive and requires me to shut the screen of and turn it back on in order for it to function (The screen never has issues with the spen though). Upon calling Verizon, i was still rooted and it looks like they can actually look through you phone and see if you have root and what applications you have include safe strap. I pretended that i didn't know what the guy was talking about and told him i had nova launcher and that was probably my problem. I then performed a clean Odin factory stock wipe and the phone is back to normal. The knox hasn't even been tripped. When i called back verizon the guy told me "it looks like the phone was rooted the last time you called and now it's absolutely clean. I'm sorry, but because it was rooted, you're warranty is void". Always unroot before you call in!
Do you guys think i can contact Samsung and have them fix this issue for me? I doubt they will know if im rooted if i remove it all before i send it right
What!??? ??????
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Who you speak to miss cleo? ?????
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This is something new if they did in fact see that you were rooted. Part of me wonders if the rep was pulling your chain to see if you'd slip a hint that you were rooted.
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This is something new if they did in fact see that you were rooted. Part of me wonders if the rep was pulling your chain to see if you'd slip a hint that you were rooted.
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He definitely was not lying. The first rep i spoke to about 2 weeks ago was naming all the apps i had! He mentioned safestrap, superuser, along with other apps that had nothing to do with rooting. He made it personal to which you can tell he was looking at what i had. Also, the second time the guy had me update My Verizon Mobile. This is what they use to get access to your phone. Be warned everyone!
I wonder how this is legal. It's they can see apps installed what else can they see? My pictures, my documents? And what keeps them from only accessing my phone when I call in for support?
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Ok I found how they are doing it, my verizon mobile update gives them access. Can we say uninstall. But to answer your question, no samsung won't know. id just backup and reset to stock anyways. You figure you will be turning it in to them anyways.
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I wonder how this is legal. It's they can see apps installed what else can they see? My pictures, my documents? And what keeps them from only accessing my phone when I call in for support?
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Ok I found how they are doing it, my verizon mobile update gives them access. Can we say uninstall. But to answer your question, no samsung won't know. id just backup and reset to stock anyways. You figure you will be turning it in to them anyways.
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OK, I will try contacting Samsung today. The only issue is that I'd have to be without a phone for 2-3 weeks . Also about the my Verizon mobile, they ask you to download it or update it in order to allow them to troubleshoot your phone (they don't tell you that's the reason, they just ask you to update it).
Remember...warranty and insurance are 2 different things. If in the TOS they list having the right to refuse warranty service due to unauthorized software modification, then that is Verizon's right. If after restoring stock it still has an issue then you have nothing to lose by trying Samsung.
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He definitely was not lying. The first rep i spoke to about 2 weeks ago was naming all the apps i had! He mentioned safestrap, superuser, along with other apps that had nothing to do with rooting. He made it personal to which you can tell he was looking at what i had. Also, the second time the guy had me update My Verizon Mobile. This is what they use to get access to your phone. Be warned everyone!
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This is why you should not grant verizon mobile superuser rights i believe. The last update to Verizon mobile asked for these rights on my phone and I said no. I have a feeling that this is how they can see what you have on your phone.
Just my. 02
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Hey guys, i recently bought a phone off of eBay and added insurance on it through open enrollment at Verizon. It was a refurb phone for Assurion. Now the issue is that the screen sometimes become unresponsive and requires me to shut the screen of and turn it back on in order for it to function (The screen never has issues with the spen though). Upon calling Verizon, i was still rooted and it looks like they can actually look through you phone and see if you have root and what applications you have include safe strap. I pretended that i didn't know what the guy was talking about and told him i had nova launcher and that was probably my problem. I then performed a clean Odin factory stock wipe and the phone is back to normal. The knox hasn't even been tripped. When i called back verizon the guy told me "it looks like the phone was rooted the last time you called and now it's absolutely clean. I'm sorry, but because it was rooted, you're warranty is void". Always unroot before you call in!
Do you guys think i can contact Samsung and have them fix this issue for me? I doubt they will know if im rooted if i remove it all before i send it right
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I recently called because I was having proximity sensor issues. I immediately explained to the technician all of the steps I've taken to try to fix the problem and he agreed that I had everything possible so he was just going to issue a new device to me. I was still rooted at the time but he did not check my apps. Verizon has been doing this for a few years now but if you're smooth on the phone and explain all the steps you've taken upfront you can avoid them checking your apps. Google is able to do the same thing.
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I recently called because I was having proximity sensor issues. I immediately explained to the technician all of the steps I've taken to try to fix the problem and he agreed that I had everything possible so he was just going to issue a new device to me. I was still rooted at the time but he did not check my apps. Verizon has been doing this for a few years now but if you're smooth on the phone and explain all the steps you've taken upfront you can avoid them checking your apps. Google is able to do the same thing.
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Awww man, I know that this is a hardware issue and the root did nothing to it. I realized that this is an assurion replacement as the sticker on the inside of the phone says that. It looks like they didn't fix the phone correct when sending it to the previous owner. Debating if I should add insurance through the open enrollment Verizon is having and just submit a claim. And before anyone says "that would be warranty fraud since you already have an issue"... Keep in mind that assurion issued this phone with issues so technically I should get a free replacement.
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Awww man, I know that this is a hardware issue and the root did nothing to it. I realized that this is an assurion replacement as the sticker on the inside of the phone says that. It looks like they didn't fix the phone correct when sending it to the previous owner. Debating if I should add insurance through the open enrollment Verizon is having and just submit a claim. And before anyone says "that would be warranty fraud since you already have an issue"... Keep in mind that assurion issued this phone with issues so technically I should get a free replacement.
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Call back and when you can say what option you would like say "cancel service", you'll immediately get transferred to their "do what we can to keep you as a customer" department. Explain to them the issue you're having and that yes, the phone was rooted, but it has been returned to it's original software and the issue is still there. Tell them that you were unaware that rooting your phone would void the warranty and that you've had issues since receiving the replacement. It's worth a shot and may work.
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Call back and when you can say what option you would like say "cancel service", you'll immediately get transferred to their "do what we can to keep you as a customer" department. Explain to them the issue you're having and that yes, the phone was rooted, but it has been returned to it's original software and the issue is still there. Tell them that you were unaware that rooting your phone would void the warranty and that you've had issues since receiving the replacement. It's worth a shot and may work.
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Thank you for helping out. This sounds like a good idea. Although I still have about 1 year left of service left so they may use that against me. I also cancelled the $3 extended warranty yesterday since it was rendered "useless". The sad part is the only reason I rooted the phone was to increase the maximum output for the volume.
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Thank you for helping out. This sounds like a good idea. Although I still have about 1 year left of service left so they may use that against me. I also cancelled the $3 extended warranty yesterday since it was rendered "useless". The sad part is the only reason I rooted the phone was to increase the maximum output for the volume.
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When you first call ask them how much it would cost to cancel your service, then they'll ask why at some point.
I would talk with Verizon and see what they say. Unroot first though. Should be fine. When assurien sends phones out they are refurbished so still claimable.
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Bonniecal said:
its very important to read the instruction of warranty. if you do anything out of the warranty rule then your warranty will void. for this read the warrany book before using the phone. thanks
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When you first call ask them how much it would cost to cancel your service, then they'll ask why at some point.
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Thanks for you reply man, i really appreciate it. Before calling, i decided to try something out. I took apart the 12 screws on the back of the phone and pried the back off with my finger nail. Then i disconnected the LCD/Digitizer ribbon cable and blew some air there, i then re-fastened it and mad sure to push a little hard on it. I've been running strong so far for 15 minutes and everything is working smoothly with no touch screen issues! Let's hope it keeps working :highfive:
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I would talk with Verizon and see what they say. Unroot first though. Should be fine. When assurien sends phones out they are refurbished so still claimable.
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I had them send me a brand new phone before.
Borderpatrol1987 said:
I had them send me a brand new phone before.
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Even though you rooted?
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Even though you rooted?
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Yup, I called assuron and reported the claim to them.
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I called vzw to get another battery, and according to them, using strong wifi results in more battery usage than poor LTE. First I've heard that.
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