Hi all,
I just got off the phone with Google support... I phoned them because my nexus definitely has heat issues when I fire up need for speed it gets like a furnace...
When I was on the phone though they told me the warranty was void as it had been rooted (<3 TB)... how can they tell?
Does this mean my nexus is permanently ear marked?
Thanks.
Did they ask you to read out any info from the about screen?
juDGEY2k10 said:
Did they ask you to read out any info from the about screen?
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Serial number...
But surely they can't just remote onto device like that. probably in the T&C. FML.
dont know mate was it new when u got it?
If not just tell them nope i dont know what your talking about, root wtf is root???
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dont know mate was it new when u got it?
If not just tell them nope i dont know what your talking about, root wtf is root???
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Yeah brand new. Straight from Gplay.
That's exactly what I did... still wouldn't process repair or anything sent me Samsung contact details for out of warranty repair. :S
Keep calling mate say they are wrong, keep at it mate just say i want to talk to a manager bla bla, keep pushing them
That's really strange. If they don't budge then contact Samsung directly using the contact info in the warranty that shipped with the phone for a warranty repair or replacement.
problaze said:
Yeah brand new. Straight from Gplay.
That's exactly what I did... still wouldn't process repair or anything sent me Samsung contact details for out of warranty repair. :S
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I'm new to all this stuff so PLEASE do not do anything based on my flimsy idea, ... just thought it might help send you down a different thought/investigative path.
I installed a toolkit that had a re-lock and un-root option thinking that if I ever got into a similar warranty situation, I would just kinda go "backwards in time" and after using TWRP to backup my tablet, do a full factory wipe, and re-lock then un-root (or whichever comes first) THEN report the problem.:fingers-crossed:
You may have let the cat out of the bag by calling first though
It seems you need to find out how they know,erase the evidence,re-lock un-root and then as juDGEY2k10 says- DENY DENY DENY- you know, like "Dexter" does:laugh: .
But wada I know. Keep us posted on your progress.
Im no expert but I don't see how they can tell unless when you get new apps or update apps from the play store they pulling information from the units. Hopefully they arent doing that.
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I have never seen root voiding warranty of a nexus device before, even though it says so.
I've noticed their bug report tool, built in, attempts to call su, so perhaps they do check now.
I'd prefer to see a root method where the app hides the binary under a unique name so they can't call it to find out.
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If Google is doing that, hopefully they won't share that info with manufacturers.
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problaze said:
Hi all,
I just got off the phone with Google support... I phoned them because my nexus definitely has heat issues when I fire up need for speed it gets like a furnace...
When I was on the phone though they told me the warranty was void as it had been rooted (<3 TB)... how can they tell?
Does this mean my nexus is permanently ear marked?
Thanks.
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Let's assume what the OP is saying is true, which it probably isn't. Many states provide additional consumer protection, even if there was a clause in the warranty which reduces your rights. (There is no clause which explicitly removes your right to root in the Nexus 10 warranty, but IANAL.)
The manufacturer is still responsible for physical defects.
However, I cannot imagine that someone would call Google and receive that answer and not be angry, mentioning the rep by name he talked to, and asking to make sure that the rep's claim was accurate.
Perhaps the OP is not telling the whole story, (e.g. he called and proclaimed that he was an advanced user, gave the rep attitude, rep came back with "oh yeah well you're rooted, we don't have to support you". Anyone who has done customer service or help desk knows what I'm talking about.) or just plain making the whole thing up, since I have never heard of any company refusing to service a rooted device unless there was a problem user with multiple returns.
I do acknowledge that the OP may not be full of crap, but if that is the case, I strongly advise OP not to take what a single rep said as gospel and keep calling back and asking for a supervisor until it's resolved.
However, there's another issue:
If the OP rooted, installed a custom kernel, found his device ran too hot, then called Google complaining without first reverting to stock and testing to make sure it wasn't the custom kernel causing the overheating, the OP's brain is the thing needing a warranty exchange.
I contacted Google about my nexus 10 dropping wifi randomly a few days ago.
The guy who I spoke to was quite nice and told me to do a factory reset. I told him I had already done that and I had also tried CM10, AOKP as some people have said that fixes any kernel/rom issues and I said the problem remains on everything I do so it had to be the device.
I was offered a refund outside the 15 day period and I chose a replacement which was shipped today.
If I spoke to someone who said that they couldn't help me because I'm rooted, I'd hang up and try again. Although if you are having problems a full restore to stock will be helpful if you ring up and speak to them.
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Let's assume what the OP is saying is true, which it probably isn't. Many states provide additional consumer protection, even if there was a clause in the warranty which reduces your rights. (There is no clause which explicitly removes your right to root in the Nexus 10 warranty, but IANAL.)
The manufacturer is still responsible for physical defects.
However, I cannot imagine that someone would call Google and receive that answer and not be angry, mentioning the rep by name he talked to, and asking to make sure that the rep's claim was accurate.
Perhaps the OP is not telling the whole story, (e.g. he called and proclaimed that he was an advanced user, gave the rep attitude, rep came back with "oh yeah well you're rooted, we don't have to support you". Anyone who has done customer service or help desk knows what I'm talking about.) or just plain making the whole thing up, since I have never heard of any company refusing to service a rooted device unless there was a problem user with multiple returns.
I do acknowledge that the OP may not be full of crap, but if that is the case, I strongly advise OP not to take what a single rep said as gospel and keep calling back and asking for a supervisor until it's resolved.
However, there's another issue:
If the OP rooted, installed a custom kernel, found his device ran too hot, then called Google complaining without first reverting to stock and testing to make sure it wasn't the custom kernel causing the overheating, the OP's brain is the thing needing a warranty exchange.
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I totally understand where you're coming from.
I used to work behind the genius bar so I know what you're getting at.
The full story is that I phoned up first and arranged a swap but realised that they would send to university address and not home phoned back again to change address and that's when the guy tried some extra steps with me and then asked for serial etc, you know the rest.
I get his word isn't stone but was shocked that they could definitely tell, wanted to share exp.
In all honesty the reason I didn't act rationally was that he ultimately called me out and I was major surprised since I'd never heard of anything similar before aka remote sense of root.
This is literally the third android device I've had and I'm only getting into the scene now, there's no custom kernel on my nexus. I run it stock.
FYI this was UK. Oh and CS didn't deny service they just referred me to someone else. Will try again post hols.
Hope explains!
?? Has anyone else experienced major heat on NFS:MW ??
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you mean like the way a rootkit does it
?? Has anyone else experienced major heat on NFS:MW ??
Mine do to and lag in a lot of games because of throttling
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Hi all,
This is not so much of a ranting thread (although I am really frustrated), but just a gentle reminder to please check your screen for dust, as well as any other known issues BEFORE rooting. Thankfully, I did that, and my phone had dust under the screen UPON arrival. I got it at 2pm, and returned it to HTC by 5pm.
The other problem is, do remember Google takes no responsibility with hardware related issues. As much as I hate it, find HTC. I had a horrible experience with them, and I just want to share it with the rest of you. Also, I'm from Singapore, just in case.
I got my phone at 2PM from DHL, and was really happy about it (who wouldn't)? I opened it, booted it, and it was really fast. Then I checked the screen. There was not one speck, but at least 5 specks of dust under the screen. I immediately called HTC Singapore's hotline, and it was outsourced to another country (I'm guessing China, cause when they called me back it was +86). I can speak Mandarin, but only barely, and it was really difficult trying to tell them my problem in English. They really tried to help, but the communication barrier proved to be very frustrating. In the end, I was told to go down to HTC Care (at Keppel Bay Tower) to return the phone.
At this point in time, I didn't really want to make a huge fuss or anything. **** happens, I can accept that. All I want now is my phone replaced, as quickly as possible. I reached HTC Care around 4.15PM, but was only served at 5PM. Even worse, the staff at HTC Care Singapore had NO idea what to do with the Nexus One. They told me it was dealt differently from other HTC phones. As a consumer, I seriously do not care. I just want my phone fixed/replaced/whatever. I then waited for 20 minutes while they tried to log into the Nexus One system of theirs or something.
As though that was not bad enough, they had no idea what to collect from me. Some of them said I should return only the phone, while others said the entire box set. In the end, I returned the entire box set. They did not even bother to check the contents inside. Also, the courier service used this time is M3 express instead of DHL, and I was not given any tracking number despite them telling me the order has already been placed.
Also, there were other discrepancies. The phone staff told me to expect it within 3 working days, while HTC Care staff said to expect it within 3 to 5 working days. To be fair to the HTC Care staff, I doubt they were even briefed on what to do with Nexus Ones.
Below is the email I've sent to HTC, although at this point in time I doubt the response will be good:
To whom it may concern:
I placed my order for Nexus One with Google on January 9, and finally got it today, January 15, at 2pm. I understand that weekends are not considered work days, so effectively it took 5 working days to reach, which is reasonable to me.
I opened the Nexus One only to find dust under the screen. Doing a quick search on Google shows that it is a common problem. In fact, I read on some posts that it is considered to be a DOA problem by HTC, as seen from http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=29bc1e80107f01f7&hl=en. The first thing I did was to call the Singapore HTC helpline. I had a hard time communicating with them, but they did their best to help. I was told to go down to HTC Care (Singapore) at Keppel Bay Tower. The person on the phone had also opened a ticket for me.
I reached Keppel Bay Tower at 4.15PM, and was only served at 5pm. The service staff were polite but very unsure of what to do with the Nexus One. Apparently, Nexus Ones are dealt with differently from other HTC phones, though I do not see the point of them informing me of that. I have already accepted that there is dust under the phone and instead of making a big fuss, my main aim is to get my phone replaced on a one-to-one basis since I am still within the 14 days.
Once the staff managed to retrieve my information using the ticket number given to me earlier by the person over the phone, I was told I had to return the phone, but they were unsure whether to collect the phone, or the entire box set. In the end, they collected the entire box set. I had been told to expect it within 3 days by the person over the hotline, but the staff at HTC Care informed me that it was 3 - 5 days.
I am now requesting that you replace the entire box set, and deliver it to me within 3 days. In addition, I would like to know why the courier service used
is M3 Express instead of DHL (which was used when I first got my Nexus One). Moreover, I was not given any tracking number to track the status of my delivery, despite the service staff telling me that the order has already been placed.
I find it disappointing that the service staff had no idea what to do with Nexus One cases. It seems to me that HTC does not care because it is not really HTC's phone and more like Google's phone in this case. I hope you understand where I am coming from. It is my first time dealing with HTC's service, and the experience has been a let down. I have always thought highly of HTC's products since my previous HTC phones were all well-built, and I never had to visit the service centre.
I will appreciate if you could get back to me by Monday.
My ticket number, as well as product serial number are as follows:
Ticket No.:
Phone S/N:
Thank you.
Regards,
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To end it, please remember to check before rooting!
bro sad to hear this from you.
I also got my nexus one today and i notice the screen's bottom left and right corners are making loose noise when pressed with some pressure..
so i used some pressure on the problemic areas for 20secs and so far, no more loose noise..
Hopefully it will prevent my unit from dust..
I have been consistantly checking mine as well. This sucks
melterx12 said:
man now im really going crazy. it seems that everyone is having this problem. I cant seem to find any dust under the screen but what if im just not seeing it??? Whats the chance that my phone DOES NOT have this problem???
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From what I understand, this is still a problem with a small minority of phones.
People who do not have this problem (as you might have noticed) are not going to be very vocal about not having it.
For the record, I have an N1 and have had zero problems whatsoever, screen or otherwise.
melterx12 said:
man now im really going crazy. it seems that everyone is having this problem. I cant seem to find any dust under the screen but what if im just not seeing it??? Whats the chance that my phone DOES NOT have this problem???
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Mine doesn't have it either. If you can't see it, then why is it bothering you? Mine doesn't have jam (jelly if you're in the USA) in it either but I'm not going to keep checking for jam.
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ScaredyCat said:
Mine doesn't have it either. If you can't see it, then why is it bothering you? Mine doesn't have jam (jelly if you're in the USA) in it either but I'm not going to keep checking for jam.
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its bothering me because I REALLY want to root but REALLY will go out of my mind if I see this problem after rooting (because my warranty will then be long in the void ). So I want to track this problem down now and some how be 100% sure that my phone is safe.
Wow, this dust problem is become quite large. Small quantities doesn't sound like a good enough example of the problem. I don't have my Nexus One yet, but I do hope - that when I get it soon - the newer models (if they are starting to correct the issue) doesn't have this problem.
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its bothering me because I REALLY want to root but REALLY will go out of my mind if I see this problem after rooting (because my warranty will then be long in the void ). So I want to track this problem down now and some how be 100% sure that my phone is safe.
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Well, you either wait for the warranty to expire or you root it before.
If you're really that worried power it off and check it with a magnifying glass. TBH Right now there are 1001 reasons not to root it and only a couple of reasons to root it. Unless there's something you really need/want root for you may as well wait.
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I know, I am waiting for now, probably until Cyanogen Mod comes out for N1. However I do not want to wait a year
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Well, you either wait for the warranty to expire or you root it before.
If you're really that worried power it off and check it with a magnifying glass. TBH Right now there are 1001 reasons not to root it and only a couple of reasons to root it. Unless there's something you really need/want root for you may as well wait.
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exactly i think one of the main reason i root my G1 was to apps2sd....and then some themes...but with this much RAM on the N1 i do not see a reason to root...
DKM119 said:
exactly i think one of the main reason i root my G1 was to apps2sd....and then some themes...but with this much RAM on the N1 i do not see a reason to root...
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Theres more to root than apps2sd. For example, Internet tethering is a feature I really want and only possible through root.
Since we're talking about rooting here, I just wanna root to upgrade to un-released Android firmwares, themes, changing things inside the phone that aren't possible stocked. There are lots of reasons to root in my eyes, and I really don't care about the negatives.
kozm0naut said:
From what I understand, this is still a problem with a small minority of phones.
People who do not have this problem (as you might have noticed) are not going to be very vocal about not having it.
For the record, I have an N1 and have had zero problems whatsoever, screen or otherwise.
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Same here. Zero problems with mine.
Also I don't plan to root until the S-ON/S-OFF issue is either resolved or root without unlock is discovered.
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Theres more to root than apps2sd. For example, Internet tethering is a feature I really want and only possible through root.
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yeah i undertand you point but is not for everybody...like myself i do have wi-fi at home and at work...so i never used the internet tethering....so for me when i rooted my G1 is was only for the apps2sd and themes....
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Theres more to root than apps2sd. For example, Internet tethering is a feature I really want and only possible through root.
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There are always alternative. Although not as elegant of a solution, PDAnet allows you to connect your phone to your computer so it can use your data connection. Works pretty well.
as someone who had to unroot and use the warranty on my rooted G1 like 11 months after I got it, I definitely will not root my N1 when I get it unless there is a way to revert to the full factory settings. I'm not a dev but I have faith they will figure it out though.
I woke up to find this thread now has 3 pages of useless conversation :|.
Anyway, if you take a torch and shine it it'll be obvious if there's dust on it.
I need root cause of Market Enabler and internet tethering. Will update this thread when I get a response from HTC.
That's a truly depressing story!
The warranty situation is the main reason I use to keep myself from buying this phone. Since I had a hardware issue with my G1 that needed to be replaced (stopped accepting USB input, so it wouldn't charge or transfer data), this is kind of a deal-breaker for me.
Not repairing hardware defects because of a software issue is complete bull****.
My contract comes due in November, hopefully by then, HTC will have changed their policy. If not, the phone I buy definitely won't be unsubsidized! I've had good luck just contacting tmobile and saying the phone broke. Since it doesn't work, I'll have to cancel my contract and pay the ETF.....in the past they've given me a good price on a replacement. This probably wouldn't work if I wasn't on contract with them.
I agree and some of these pointless posts have been reported, so please keep this thread on topic.
I have cleaned this thread up so please refrain from from spamming and flaming. (and will continue to do so!)
Greetz.
i may be sending mine in for a repair soon, i have a stuck/dead baby blue pixel.
I need to take my phone in to a repair center. Should I reroot and go in stock? I know i already should pull my SD card, anything else? How much do they charge, i dont have insurance. Do they give you a replacement phone?
Just nervous, need some advice.
First off whats wrong with your device, and if you haven't had your hero over a year then your still in warranty and shouldn't charge you anything (and thats impossible cause the hero hasn't been out a year).
I would go back to stock rom, most service center repair specialists will flip out if you tell them hacked your phone. Just saying (I don't care personally)
Yes, before you go to the sprint store restore to factory OS. If you don't that will void your warranty
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Yes, before you go to the sprint store restore to factory OS. If you don't that will void your warranty
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Not if you brought it to my store
my trackball doesn't go down only up left and right.
inns go get a new one for 35 bucks I thinly since I have equipment protection. but even though its the hardware not the software so even if I'm rooted they shouldn't care.
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Its my mini usb port, the audio juust stopped working, i took it in to a sprint store and they gave me a new adapter, and tested my phone and said it was the port needing repair. Do they give you a phone to use while they repair?
76flip said:
Its my mini usb port, the audio juust stopped working, i took it in to a sprint store and they gave me a new adapter, and tested my phone and said it was the port needing repair. Do they give you a phone to use while they repair?
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Most stores can't repair something like this. They will probably give you whats called an Advanced Exchange, meaning they'll order you a refurbished Hero, before you freak, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a refurbished phone.
Secondly they will probably not give you a loaner while they look at/repair it. It would take probably 8 minutes to activate a loaner and then look at your phone, its way more simply to just go without a phone for an hour or less.
Lastly, they will more then likely not be able to swap you same day, meaning the refurbished phone will need to be sent to the store, and you would pick it up tomorrow.
Hope this explains Sprint's process a little better.
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Most stores can't repair something like this. They will probably give you whats called an Advanced Exchange, meaning they'll order you a refurbished Hero, before you freak, there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with a refurbished phone.
Secondly they will probably not give you a loaner while they look at/repair it. It would take probably 8 minutes to activate a loaner and then look at your phone, its way more simply to just go without a phone for an hour or less.
Lastly, they will more then likely not be able to swap you same day, meaning the refurbished phone will need to be sent to the store, and you would pick it up tomorrow.
Hope this explains Sprint's process a little better.
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Very helpful, thank you
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Very helpful, thank you
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Its what I'm here for :]
stephen240 said:
Not if you brought it to my store
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Or mine..
azyouthinkeyeiz said:
Or mine..
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GTFO mine's better! Cause I'm at mine lol JK!
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I guess I just read over the part about it being your usb port.. lol
btw...
I think I read a post from you earlier on the NASC support device forums.. I'm not sure if you're corporate, it wouldn't be NASC support but there was a stephen saying that "he might or might not frequently flash roms.. )
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Just for future reference...
Buy denatured alcohol.. Dip your audio input into the alcohol very lightly.. And then stick the plug in the audio port, push in and out and turn and you should see better audio..
Dust and moisture residue gradually build up on the metal contacts and cause some interference..
Usually that issue is not the port, but thats not a be all-end all answer either.
btw...
I think I read a post from you earlier on the NASC support device forums.. I'm not sure if you're corporate, it wouldn't be NASC support but there was a stephen saying that "he might or might not frequently flash roms.. )
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^He is very correct in the denautered alcohol bit, I do this kind of thing all the time.
Actually I'm not coperate =/ But I do frequently flash roms
last question...
I kept a nandroid of stock before flashing anything, does this unroot me?
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Actually I'm not coperate =/
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Me neither...
If you go to NASC support and then login like you were checking your ASC calendar, click on device known issues, then discussion forums at the top, you can read the corporate techs known issues, etc.. Its a pretty cool place to learn
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last question...
I kept a nandroid of stock before flashing anything, does this unroot me?
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No.. You are still rooted.. The nandroid was not done until after you flashed the recovery image so that will still be there...
You will just have the stock rom running on a rooted phone..
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No.. You are still rooted.. The nandroid was not done until after you flashed the recovery image so that will still be there...
You will just have the stock rom running on a rooted phone..
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youll be fine, just nandroid it back to stock they wont even look.
Ok, wanted to share my experience...
The store i purchased my phone at initially is great, they have helped me with everything and have always been polite and courteous. After going to that store they told me to simply take it to their readynow store and they will fix it no problem. That combined with the recommendations from techs in this forum i felt very good driving 20 miles with my screaming child to the store to get it resolved.
Im back after a very angry drive home. Not only did the manager at the store let me stand waiting to be helped facing her for 10 minutes before i asked to be helped, she acted as if i were a retarted person and pointed out the audio jack on top and showed me how to put the headphone jack in.
When I explained that for the sake of better sound quality and accessories I have always used the bottom port for audio and it obviously is malfunctioning (it goes on and off when something is plugged in to audio in th mini usb)
She let out a sigh and said she would see if the tech will "even look at it". When she came back she told me that the tech says that the mini usb isn't intended for audio use and he wouldn't accept it.
I explained that my local store told me this would be taken care of here no problem and it was covered under warranty, and i spoke with a few techs online who recommended the same, and now your saying im SOL? she says yes.
I have heard horror storys about bad sprint service but I have never been treated by a company that i support with my money monthly this way. THE WORST CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE I HAVE EVER HAD! I would be fired if i talked to a customer like that and just shrugged off their problem.
Sorry for the rant
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youll be fine, just nandroid it back to stock they wont even look.
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This is what I did. I took mine in to get the dust removed and had no issues.
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Yes, before you go to the sprint store restore to factory OS. If you don't that will void your warranty
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Just FYI, and I'm not saying you'd want to take it to court, but courts have upheld that defects in products that could not be caused by software/firmware changes must be covered under warranty even if the user changed it to some unauthorized version. The case I'm thinking about was regarding a hacked game console but the same would theoretically apply to a phone. This would have to be something like the screen dying or the usb port going bad. If the processor died they could possibly argue that you caused it with under/over clocking attempts.
I have a AT&T Nexus one (rooted) which developed trackball issues. The trackball got stuck and would keep throwing me into fastboot upon reboot. I could plug it in and fastboot reboot via PC, but then it would only boot into safe mode.
So I called it in, asked for a device exchange....did not discuss bootloader status (was not asked, did not volunteer). Got my replacement the next day! (awesome). Put stock recovery and ROM and Shipped back the old one - checked status on service site - it was initially set to we have received it, to now it says
Status: We have completed your case. If you can help us improve our service, or would like to comment, please contact HTC customer service representatives.
Service Type: Repair
Service Model: C4-On site exchange
Failure Description: cx track ball isnot working properly.
So looks like HTC honored the warranty. the whole process was extremely painless. A+ customer service, if you ask me!
Anyway, thought I would paste it here for people who are a) in a dilemma to unlock the bootloader or not or b) are in the same boat I was in.
Just rooted my AT&T Nexus one, and I hope that if anything does happen, I can have it replaced as seamless as yours!
I have yet to see a single person on any website with a legitimate hardware issue fail to get warranty coverage. Not saying it hasnt happened but I have been heavily searching these forums and others recently as I made up my mind to buy in and I have not seen it. Some have had to revert to Google but overall it seems to me Google should get kudos for what appears to be a reasonable and fair look at the problems and acting accordingly.
And that makes sense, rooting your phone wont cause your trackball to get stuck.
Again, you did agree to voiding the warranty when unlocking the phone. But im glad google/HTC are reasonable enough to honor hardware failures like that even if its rooted. Thanks for the FYI.
how do you check for the status? i can't find the website any where
the link was in the email they sent confirming the receipt of the old phone.
you need an HTC ticket no and can check it here
http://tracking.e2e.asia.htc.com/ViewTicket.aspx
how do you check for the status? i can't find the website any where
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krabman said:
I have yet to see a single person on any website with a legitimate hardware issue fail to get warranty coverage. Not saying it hasnt happened but I have been heavily searching these forums and others recently as I made up my mind to buy in and I have not seen it. Some have had to revert to Google but overall it seems to me Google should get kudos for what appears to be a reasonable and fair look at the problems and acting accordingly.
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HTC denied me warranty service at first due to the unlocked bootloader. A forum member that works for the Google sales team helped me out and got them to reverse the $196 charge for excessively dusty screen.
This might come off as me preaching here, but I hope I don't come across as high-handed...
If you have a hardware button sequence locked Vibrant you really need to think long and hard about whether or not you should be messing with custom firmwares, ESPECIALLY NOW.
The last few leaked firmwares (JI2, JI4, JI5) are ALL RUNNING A NEW KERNEL. One that is not compatible with JFD derived builds. Furthermore these great new custom kernels provided by our awesome dev's (Voodoo, JAC, Kingclick, etc...) are not compatible with these new leaked builds. So the likelihood of you ending up staring at a really scary screen on your phone is skyrocketing, unless you have reliable methods to deal with that scary screen.
I've ran across numerous posts here today, with all the fervor over the JI5 Kies leak, where people have Clockwork Recovered themselves into a nightmare because they simply didn't understand these points. Even simpler MOD's (like a few posts I found today where people were installing the JFD version of the MobileAP mod on JIx builds and screwing their phones up) can lead to grief if you don't do your homework.
If you cannot reliably get into recovery *AND* download mode, please please be sure you understand the risks your taking if you fail to be careful and read the information that is already here. Granted, I know few people can keep up with some of us and our ability to soak up info like a sponge. Still there is a process of risk assessment YOU MUST BE RESPONSIBLE FOR when you realize you are doing things that you probably shouldn't be.
This doesn't mean I won't continue trying to be helpful. I just want to make it clear to some of you that you really need to think things through more thoroughly before you let your excitement drive you into a corner.
I vote for the following statement to be made a sticky in this and the Q&A Forum...
"If you are updating firmware on a phone, and you've already hacked this and that, tweaked this and that, modified this and that...whatever the case may be you should be prepared to have to Odin your way back to stock.
If you are not prepared to Odin your way back to stock (don't know how, have a hardware button locked phone, etc...) then you should really be asking yourself whether or not you should be customizing your phone to the degree that you are.
It's just about risk assessment. Most risks are known, but some are not. Furthermore there can be bad synergies between multiple tweaks, mods, and/or hacks that no one can easily predict ahead of time. So it's not about anyone trying to be elitist. The best way to help people is to help them avoid making critical mistakes."
actually if u have a hardware locked phone, what you SHOULD do is call tmobile right now and complain that ur phone is defective and they'll send u a new one... keep doing this till u get a working phone, i did and i now have a phone that isn't HL'ed... only took one try
ookas said:
actually if u have a hardware locked phone, what you SHOULD do is call tmobile right now and complain that ur phone is defective and they'll send u a new one... keep doing this till u get a working phone, i did and i now have a phone that isn't HL'ed... only took one try
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Indeed!!!
The hardware locked Galaxy S thing appears to be a bootloader bug affecting more than just our Vibrants (some other batches of Galaxy S phones are affected) rather than a real hardware issue, so T-Mobile should be able to get these fixed readily. Not like we should care about T-Mobile here, but what this means also is that T-Mobile shouldn't be making a huge deal about swapping these out either.
I'd encourage everyone with a button-sequence screwed Vibrant to simply go to T-Mobile and get it replaced.
Admittedly, I was one of those fools who installed the wrong MobileAp and also tried to go back to a nandroid that didn't work (different kernel - or so I have learned.) Bricked the phone. But I wasn't hardware locked so I was able to get everything back thanks to some really helpful people here on the forum.
I agree that all hardware locked phones should be returned. If mine were locked then I'd still be staring at a dead phone.
I would like to add that I am new to the android thing. But, I am not a software noob (i did software testing for a living). The thing is that I am sometimes impulsive and that leads to mistakes. Thankfully, I have a way to get out of the mistakes (ODIN and non-hardware locked phone.) I always know the risk I am taking and take full responsibility for anything I screw up.
How can I tell if I have a hardware-locked phone, without attempting to flash a ROM, I mean?
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aad4321 said:
i have a hardware locked phone that i unlocked and have a custom recovery on. I have only accessed the recovery through rom manger. is there any other way to access it with hardware locked? If so can someone post details. it will be good to know when i mess up my phone and it dosent boot preventing me from accessing rom manager to get to the recovery
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you didn't unlock the hardware. You just simply rooted your phone. Hardware lock can not be unlocked and that's what this thread is trying to address. I have tried exchanging my phone from tmo once and the exchange phone they sent me still had the same problem, so i haven't bother with it. I wonder if i can just walk into a store and do an exchange since i got my phone from tmo online. Anyways, if you have a hardware locked phone, stick with roms that will flash through clockworks. That is the safest way, but keep in mind that there is still a slight chance of failure.
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How can I tell if I have a hardware-locked phone, without attempting to flash a ROM, I mean?
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Never mind; I figured it out.
Man, I'm glad I read your post on hardware-locked problems. I didn't even realise this was a problem until after I dicked around with my phone a bunch, and then ended up reflashing with odin back to stock. I could have messed up big time.
My problem is that I can't replace my phone at all. I purchased a T-Mobile Samsung Vibrant online, brand new, unopened and locked for use here in Canada on the Wind Mobile network.
After hearing about this defective hardware I called T-Mobile, they said I have no warranty with them since it wasn't a T-mobile store purchase. Alright I guess. So they give me the number to Samsung USA,USA transfers me to Canada, I get transferred back again and this is what I'm stuck with.
My new phone has NO warranty, in either country. Both refuse to honour any sort of warranty, and refer to the other for support. I didn't think I'd get this sort of run around from Samsung.
USA says that because I live in Canada, I voided the warranty.,
Canada says that because it's a USA device, and I didn't purchase an international warranty, they won't touch it.
I'll just have to be careful what I install on my phone, and avoid Samsung products in the future.
Thanks for the warning
I wouldn't say your lack of warranty is any surprise. I don't know about Canada, but in the US, phone warranty is normally tied to the carrier, which means if you're not an active customer using the phone on the account that it was first activated on, you will have no warranty. Nothing special about Samsung here, all brands are the same.
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Man, I'm glad I read your post on hardware-locked problems. I didn't even realise this was a problem until after I dicked around with my phone a bunch, and then ended up reflashing with odin back to stock. I could have messed up big time.
My problem is that I can't replace my phone at all. I purchased a T-Mobile Samsung Vibrant online, brand new, unopened and locked for use here in Canada on the Wind Mobile network.
After hearing about this defective hardware I called T-Mobile, they said I have no warranty with them since it wasn't a T-mobile store purchase. Alright I guess. So they give me the number to Samsung USA,USA transfers me to Canada, I get transferred back again and this is what I'm stuck with.
My new phone has NO warranty, in either country. Both refuse to honour any sort of warranty, and refer to the other for support. I didn't think I'd get this sort of run around from Samsung.
USA says that because I live in Canada, I voided the warranty.,
Canada says that because it's a USA device, and I didn't purchase an international warranty, they won't touch it.
I'll just have to be careful what I install on my phone, and avoid Samsung products in the future.
Thanks for the warning
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Other companies will do the same thing. Warranties are country specific, no?
I don't know how it works with mobile phones, but whenever I've purchased computer parts, the country of origin has never been a problem. Maybe I've just been lucky.
Still have gripes about GPS, and lack of 2.2 though.
Don't misunderstand me though, I love this phone. Just surprised about the hardware issues.
I called Samsung today after tmobile rep gave me a number for warranty. After complaining and speaking to a supervisor, they said i could send it in and they would "fix" it. This is what they sent in the email.
Product Symptoms : Technical Inquiry/Internal Menu/Software Reflash - FOC/No fee. The Samsung Rep said a technician would look at it.
I got a shipping label and everything.
I have one question. How should i go about reflashing to stock? can i just factory reset + remove superusers. please help.
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I don't know how it works with mobile phones, but whenever I've purchased computer parts, the country of origin has never been a problem. Maybe I've just been lucky.
Still have gripes about GPS, and lack of 2.2 though.
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PC parts aren't as tightly controlled as mobile phones. That's the difference.
GPS and Froyo should be coming soon. I doubt if Samsung would let their best mobile phones fall behind by much. From the leaked firmwares popping up, it shows they're working on it.
Hey guys, i recently bought a phone off of eBay and added insurance on it through open enrollment at Verizon. It was a refurb phone for Assurion. Now the issue is that the screen sometimes become unresponsive and requires me to shut the screen of and turn it back on in order for it to function (The screen never has issues with the spen though). Upon calling Verizon, i was still rooted and it looks like they can actually look through you phone and see if you have root and what applications you have include safe strap. I pretended that i didn't know what the guy was talking about and told him i had nova launcher and that was probably my problem. I then performed a clean Odin factory stock wipe and the phone is back to normal. The knox hasn't even been tripped. When i called back verizon the guy told me "it looks like the phone was rooted the last time you called and now it's absolutely clean. I'm sorry, but because it was rooted, you're warranty is void". Always unroot before you call in!
Do you guys think i can contact Samsung and have them fix this issue for me? I doubt they will know if im rooted if i remove it all before i send it right
What!??? ??????
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Who you speak to miss cleo? ?????
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This is something new if they did in fact see that you were rooted. Part of me wonders if the rep was pulling your chain to see if you'd slip a hint that you were rooted.
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This is something new if they did in fact see that you were rooted. Part of me wonders if the rep was pulling your chain to see if you'd slip a hint that you were rooted.
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He definitely was not lying. The first rep i spoke to about 2 weeks ago was naming all the apps i had! He mentioned safestrap, superuser, along with other apps that had nothing to do with rooting. He made it personal to which you can tell he was looking at what i had. Also, the second time the guy had me update My Verizon Mobile. This is what they use to get access to your phone. Be warned everyone!
I wonder how this is legal. It's they can see apps installed what else can they see? My pictures, my documents? And what keeps them from only accessing my phone when I call in for support?
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Ok I found how they are doing it, my verizon mobile update gives them access. Can we say uninstall. But to answer your question, no samsung won't know. id just backup and reset to stock anyways. You figure you will be turning it in to them anyways.
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I wonder how this is legal. It's they can see apps installed what else can they see? My pictures, my documents? And what keeps them from only accessing my phone when I call in for support?
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Ok I found how they are doing it, my verizon mobile update gives them access. Can we say uninstall. But to answer your question, no samsung won't know. id just backup and reset to stock anyways. You figure you will be turning it in to them anyways.
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OK, I will try contacting Samsung today. The only issue is that I'd have to be without a phone for 2-3 weeks . Also about the my Verizon mobile, they ask you to download it or update it in order to allow them to troubleshoot your phone (they don't tell you that's the reason, they just ask you to update it).
Remember...warranty and insurance are 2 different things. If in the TOS they list having the right to refuse warranty service due to unauthorized software modification, then that is Verizon's right. If after restoring stock it still has an issue then you have nothing to lose by trying Samsung.
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He definitely was not lying. The first rep i spoke to about 2 weeks ago was naming all the apps i had! He mentioned safestrap, superuser, along with other apps that had nothing to do with rooting. He made it personal to which you can tell he was looking at what i had. Also, the second time the guy had me update My Verizon Mobile. This is what they use to get access to your phone. Be warned everyone!
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This is why you should not grant verizon mobile superuser rights i believe. The last update to Verizon mobile asked for these rights on my phone and I said no. I have a feeling that this is how they can see what you have on your phone.
Just my. 02
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Hey guys, i recently bought a phone off of eBay and added insurance on it through open enrollment at Verizon. It was a refurb phone for Assurion. Now the issue is that the screen sometimes become unresponsive and requires me to shut the screen of and turn it back on in order for it to function (The screen never has issues with the spen though). Upon calling Verizon, i was still rooted and it looks like they can actually look through you phone and see if you have root and what applications you have include safe strap. I pretended that i didn't know what the guy was talking about and told him i had nova launcher and that was probably my problem. I then performed a clean Odin factory stock wipe and the phone is back to normal. The knox hasn't even been tripped. When i called back verizon the guy told me "it looks like the phone was rooted the last time you called and now it's absolutely clean. I'm sorry, but because it was rooted, you're warranty is void". Always unroot before you call in!
Do you guys think i can contact Samsung and have them fix this issue for me? I doubt they will know if im rooted if i remove it all before i send it right
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I recently called because I was having proximity sensor issues. I immediately explained to the technician all of the steps I've taken to try to fix the problem and he agreed that I had everything possible so he was just going to issue a new device to me. I was still rooted at the time but he did not check my apps. Verizon has been doing this for a few years now but if you're smooth on the phone and explain all the steps you've taken upfront you can avoid them checking your apps. Google is able to do the same thing.
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I recently called because I was having proximity sensor issues. I immediately explained to the technician all of the steps I've taken to try to fix the problem and he agreed that I had everything possible so he was just going to issue a new device to me. I was still rooted at the time but he did not check my apps. Verizon has been doing this for a few years now but if you're smooth on the phone and explain all the steps you've taken upfront you can avoid them checking your apps. Google is able to do the same thing.
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Awww man, I know that this is a hardware issue and the root did nothing to it. I realized that this is an assurion replacement as the sticker on the inside of the phone says that. It looks like they didn't fix the phone correct when sending it to the previous owner. Debating if I should add insurance through the open enrollment Verizon is having and just submit a claim. And before anyone says "that would be warranty fraud since you already have an issue"... Keep in mind that assurion issued this phone with issues so technically I should get a free replacement.
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Awww man, I know that this is a hardware issue and the root did nothing to it. I realized that this is an assurion replacement as the sticker on the inside of the phone says that. It looks like they didn't fix the phone correct when sending it to the previous owner. Debating if I should add insurance through the open enrollment Verizon is having and just submit a claim. And before anyone says "that would be warranty fraud since you already have an issue"... Keep in mind that assurion issued this phone with issues so technically I should get a free replacement.
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Call back and when you can say what option you would like say "cancel service", you'll immediately get transferred to their "do what we can to keep you as a customer" department. Explain to them the issue you're having and that yes, the phone was rooted, but it has been returned to it's original software and the issue is still there. Tell them that you were unaware that rooting your phone would void the warranty and that you've had issues since receiving the replacement. It's worth a shot and may work.
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Call back and when you can say what option you would like say "cancel service", you'll immediately get transferred to their "do what we can to keep you as a customer" department. Explain to them the issue you're having and that yes, the phone was rooted, but it has been returned to it's original software and the issue is still there. Tell them that you were unaware that rooting your phone would void the warranty and that you've had issues since receiving the replacement. It's worth a shot and may work.
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Thank you for helping out. This sounds like a good idea. Although I still have about 1 year left of service left so they may use that against me. I also cancelled the $3 extended warranty yesterday since it was rendered "useless". The sad part is the only reason I rooted the phone was to increase the maximum output for the volume.
dapimpinj said:
Thank you for helping out. This sounds like a good idea. Although I still have about 1 year left of service left so they may use that against me. I also cancelled the $3 extended warranty yesterday since it was rendered "useless". The sad part is the only reason I rooted the phone was to increase the maximum output for the volume.
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When you first call ask them how much it would cost to cancel your service, then they'll ask why at some point.
I would talk with Verizon and see what they say. Unroot first though. Should be fine. When assurien sends phones out they are refurbished so still claimable.
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Bonniecal said:
its very important to read the instruction of warranty. if you do anything out of the warranty rule then your warranty will void. for this read the warrany book before using the phone. thanks
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When you first call ask them how much it would cost to cancel your service, then they'll ask why at some point.
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Thanks for you reply man, i really appreciate it. Before calling, i decided to try something out. I took apart the 12 screws on the back of the phone and pried the back off with my finger nail. Then i disconnected the LCD/Digitizer ribbon cable and blew some air there, i then re-fastened it and mad sure to push a little hard on it. I've been running strong so far for 15 minutes and everything is working smoothly with no touch screen issues! Let's hope it keeps working :highfive:
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I would talk with Verizon and see what they say. Unroot first though. Should be fine. When assurien sends phones out they are refurbished so still claimable.
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I had them send me a brand new phone before.
Borderpatrol1987 said:
I had them send me a brand new phone before.
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Even though you rooted?
dapimpinj said:
Even though you rooted?
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Yup, I called assuron and reported the claim to them.
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I called vzw to get another battery, and according to them, using strong wifi results in more battery usage than poor LTE. First I've heard that.
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