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Hello everyone. I'm an HTC Magician user looking for a new phone. Seeing that the Atom Life is about the same size, I'm interested in the performance of console emulators on these phones. Can it run SNES and GBA games w/sound and full speed? Say with PocketSNES or PocketGBA? Thank you.
Sorry to bump on an old thread. Seems there's no reply . I'd really like to know more about the performance of this device. Benchmarks and results I've looked at so far sounds really good. Anyone can help, please? Thank you.
You maybe flogging a dead horse with this thread, I have never seen this topic brought up in this forum before and I highly think its priority or deciding factor for ppl looking to buy a new PPC, the device is Quanta manafactured supposedly running the same mobo and LCD as the Atom and Exec. I wouldnt personally buy this device its definately not worth the $$$
Hmm whats wrong with the LCD and mobo ... Does it have something like the yellow screen problem? So far I gathered that the major problem for Atom Life seems to be battery life. The 624MHz processor should be really fast (one of the fastest currently available?), because I watch movies quite often on my current PDA.
I'm just curious about the performance thats all, so speedy emulators are like icing on the cake. Also, is there an Atom Life forum somewhere, coz xda-developers doesnt seem to have dedicated forums for non-HTC? Thank you.
did anyone find the answer to this
Hi all,
I have been using WM devices for a few years now and I guess you could say that I'm not really all that impressed. I started with the wizard and then the tytn/hermes. I have flashed roms numerous times and find the whole ordeal to be a bit tiring. It was somewhat of an adventure at first, but after a while I just want a phone that works right and doesn't take much work.
Is the X1 that phone? Is it a straight WM6 rom or has SE made its own enhancements to it? For a guy who just wants the phone to work well right out of the box and not to mess with it a whole lot, might this be the phone for me?
I very much appreciate any opinions you might share.
I have had my first WM device X1 for only about 4 months, but I totally agree. I had SE W960 (with UIQ) for a year and I'm getting tired from all that modding-and-still-not-working, too.
But on the topic, X1 has some SE things like the panels and panel manager, phone interface, from R3A firmware SW keyboard and xtrakt game and maybe some other stuff. Although I don't own X1 for too long, but basing on what I read about WM and my own xperience, I think X1's original ROM is stable, fast, without serious bugs and generally well optimized. I'm currently using R2AA008 UK ROM, R2AA010 is said to be even better. So I think X1 will satisfy your needs without too much modding. But it's still WM, you can't avoid it completely.
Just to share one thought, I'm seriously thinking about buying a high-end SE dumb phone as a secondary to X1, it might solve your problem as well
The X1 will perform pretty well out of the box (or at least with the latest official update) but it can also run better with some of the ROM's/MOD's available on this forum. So to answer your question yes this phone will be a good out of the box performer, and the option to mod will always be here should you reattain your thirst for adventure.
I ve had 2 WM phones over the past 3 years. They were very buggy, and required much effort, with custom ROMs, just to to make them decent. Especially my latest one (MIO A701) has never reached a decent level of usability, no matter the very good custom ROMs, due to crappy OEM drivers, which were never updated, by Mitac. BTW, the worst user support I've ever experienced.
X1 is a different animal. There are almost no bugs in the latest official ROM R2AA010.
As long as you just only do a couple of adviced performance tweaks, located easily at this site and you only use official tested & stable apps, most probably you will not face any issue.
Now, if you start messing with beta / experimental / brand new / cool staff then you'll have to invest some effort fixing here and there, but, after all, it's your decision and responsibility.
Personally, I would like to fall into the 2nd category; I somehow like the game; but I can't really do it extensively, because no free time.
But it's good that we have the choice, thanks to this site.
To make your answer very simple - No.
You will need to flash ROMs to make it a good phone. Out of the box, it's best would be ok.
Angelusz said:
To make your answer very simple - No.
You will need to flash ROMs to make it a good phone. Out of the box, it's best would be ok.
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+1. Even I hate iPhone for it's lack of functionalities and limitation. If all your need is out of the box experience and you don't want to spend time w/ WM. iPhone is probably a better choice for you.
Thanks for the input, guys. I actually don't mind flashing a rom once. Twice, would rather not. Three times, definitely not.
Does anyone have experience with the Tytn/hermes? How do you think this device performs compared to that?
My previous phone was a TYTN II (tilt). I find the xperia far superior. It's faster, less buggy, easier to navigate, and has more cool features than the TYTN. The hardware is sleeker and of higher quality. I can hardly stand to do anything with my tilt after using the xperia.
And as far as flashing a ROM to the xperia - I found it quite easy and quick, and somehow less complicated than flashing a tilt.
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My previous phone was a TYTN II (tilt). I find the xperia far superior. It's faster, less buggy, easier to navigate, and has more cool features than the TYTN. The hardware is sleeker and of higher quality. I can hardly stand to do anything with my tilt after using the xperia.
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Same here. But I do missed some nice design of Tytn II. The "tilt" design for reading while eating. Easy to take out the sim and sd card
I think X1 is the best phone I ever have
not a out of box best winmo.. u need to have xperia tweaks, spb shell, touch keyboard etc etc
the usuals
Just saw this:
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2009/11/11/htc-hd2-retail-rom-benchmarks-slower-than-before/
WTF!? How did they manage this stupid stuff?
It is a challenge for xda community
Just Windows' patches which will slow the system.
Lets just hope they get it sorted or I will be flashing with some new ROM
It's still very fast. I know it smokes the hell out of my Touch HD!
Yeah its faster but you do want it running to its full potential. That would be like only having a windows system (Joke).
srsly, who cares about generic benchmarks? as long as the overall performance is good - and coreplayer proves that - it doesn't matter ...
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srsly, who cares about generic benchmarks? as long as the overall performance is good - and coreplayer proves that - it doesn't matter ...
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I agree...for now! wait until the great people here on xda start tweaking it.
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srsly, who cares about generic benchmarks? as long as the overall performance is good - and coreplayer proves that - it doesn't matter ...
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Guess you didn't hit the link. The problem IS overall performance. The device is now suffering from lag & stuttering compared to the pre-release ROM according to the the Italian guys.
The god damn Pre-release ROM was fine, HTC just managed to screw it up. 95% of those who will get the phone don't give a flying hoot or know about XDA-devs. It's a major fail from HTC.
Yet coreplayer is faster in retail?
just wait for the device ... xmoo nor any other hd2 owner reports any lag ...
maybe its just the italian version, maybe its just their device. we will know shortly.
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Guess you didn't hit the link. The problem IS overall performance. The device is now suffering from lag & stuttering compared to the pre-release ROM according to the the Italian guys.
The god damn Pre-release ROM was fine, HTC just managed to screw it up. 95% of those who will get the phone don't give a flying hoot or know about XDA-devs. It's a major fail from HTC.
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The CorePlayer benchmark seems to make the retail ROM look better.
And has someone not said that SPB benchmark is pretty crap? That program is over a year old now.
A few people here actually have HD2s and have run them in everyday situations.
Benchmarks are all well and good. But real life performance means more.
A graphics card can have the best benchmark performance in the world, but have terrible real world performance.
Do you actually own an HD2?
Benchmarks are all well and good. But I'd rather see what the device can do in real life, rather than a simulated situation.
The blind faith of some of the people on this forum is extraordinary.
The Acer Neotouch is now 73% faster than the HD2 on one particular CPU benchmark, despite having the same CPU and only 256MB of RAM where the HD2 has 448MB. This is an absolutely appalling result for HTC! What on Earth have they done to cripple the Snapdragon CPU in this way? It's not just the Neotouch, either - other benchmarks give the TG01 a similar edge.
And seriously, people think this doesn't matter because the devs here at XDA will fix it? For real?! How many months do you think you're going to have to wait before there's even a Hard-SPL released? And what about the people who don't like flashing custom ROMs because they don't like using ROM images that are chock full of bugs? What about those who don't even know this website exists?
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The blind faith of some of the people on this forum is extraordinary.
The Acer Neotouch is now 73% faster than the HD2 on one particular CPU benchmark, despite having the same CPU and only 256MB of RAM where the HD2 has 448MB. This is an absolutely appalling result for HTC! What on Earth have they done to cripple the Snapdragon CPU in this way? It's not just the Neotouch, either - other benchmarks give the TG01 a similar edge.
And seriously, people think this doesn't matter because the devs here at XDA will fix it? For real?! How many months do you think you're going to have to wait before there's even a Hard-SPL released? And what about the people who don't like flashing custom ROMs because they don't like using ROM images that are chock full of bugs? What about those who don't even know this website exists?
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Lol - amusing! Do you have a particular hatred for this phone, or shares in Apple or something; because you spend a lot of time bashing the HD2. I am not a fanboy or have blind faith but personally I prefer to read reviews from established review sites and listen to the people who have the device to decide whether the device is crippled not just a test from a benchmark application that is out of date and not exactly reliable. have you actually tested this device yourself Shasarak?
Sorry thats bull****. I had the beta ROM and I'm not on the release ROM and the HD2 performs like hell! And YES - in CorePlayer too!
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I am not a fanboy or have blind faith but personally I prefer to read reviews from established review sites and listen to the people who have the device to decide whether the device is crippled
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Are you suggesting that SoloPalmari are not an established review site, or they don't really have an HD2?
http://translate.google.co.uk/trans...nta-del-prototipo&sl=it&tl=en&history_state0=
EDIT: I'm also not so much concerned with the benchmark data as I am with the general impression that the phone has gone from being lag-free to lagging quite perceptibly, and from being stable to locking up so badly it needed a soft reset when running ActiveSync. All of the reviews, previews and videos up to now have emphasised the fact that the phone is really slick and fluid in general use, and I think that's one of the major reasons why people are so excited; it now seems that this fluidity and absence of lag may only apply to the pre-release version.
Having said that, the fact that another phone using identical hardware except that it has only about half the amount memory can run any CPU task at all 73% faster than the HD2 can is pretty f*cking sad.
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Sorry thats bull****. I had the beta ROM and I'm not on the release ROM and the HD2 performs like hell! And YES - in CorePlayer too!
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The SoloPalmari data specifically mentions that the CorePlayer benchmark was not affected by the slow-down - it is actually marginally faster than the pre-release version (although still slower than the Acer). CorePlayer isn't the problem - it's everything else.
It will be great if someone can make the test with the retail version
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Benchmarks are all well and good. But real life performance means more.
A graphics card can have the best benchmark performance in the world, but have terrible real world performance.
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That is both untrue and a terrible analogy. We aren't comparing two different GPUs, here; the graphical equivalent is that we've got two otherwise identical PC's equipped with graphics cards that both use the same GPU. One graphics card has half the amount of RAM that the other has. But the PC containing the low-memory card is managing a 73% higher frame-rate in games. What does that tell you about the quality of the driver software on the slower machine? (And in this case, of course, the drivers can't be upgraded).
Or is it your argument that Acer and Toshiba have both specifically tweaked their firmware in order to maximise their SPB benchmark results?
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It will be great if someone can make the test with the retail version
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That's exactly what SoloPalmari have done. It's the retail version that is producing the bad benchmarks and that lags in use (according to them).
The thing really strange is that nobody on this forum has lags in use...
There is a difference between the returns of the xda owners feedbacks and tests of the Italian website...
Hi guys,
I have a Samsung Galaxy 3. I am happy with the performance, User Interface, Phone looks, battery backup. The only thing i am not satisfied is of the absence of graphics card.
I mean i have seen phones like LG Optimus One, Sony Experia X8 all of them with lower performance but able to run games like NFS etc... I understand that these games are not possible to run on G3.
Can you guys suggest me whether i should go for LG Optimus One or stick with G3?
I have seen custom roms of LG which deliver quadrant score of over 1200 where G3 restricts itself to 560
Need your honest opinion as i am double minded. If you had the chance to replace G3 with LG Optimus One, would you do that?
Kindly reply/comment
I will surely do that...
-Devilgod (United Devils)
Thanks Devilgod
This also broke my heart regarding the phone. I love it every other way but this is like the only minus.
Though seeing It still fulfills my needs perfectly, I can browse the internet, still play decent games, watch videos, etc.
Going a bit offtopic here, is flash support hardware related or can\will it be supported if one flashes to froyo?
Well, today, i would advice you to buy a LG Optimus One or a ZTE Blade if you want a cool cheap Android Phone, because there is still a LOT of things to do on the Galaxy 3.. And the screen sucks a bit.. .
Thom47 said:
This also broke my heart regarding the phone. I love it every other way but this is like the only minus.
Though seeing It still fulfills my needs perfectly, I can browse the internet, still play decent games, watch videos, etc.
Going a bit offtopic here, is flash support hardware related or can\will it be supported if one flashes to froyo?
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I have flashed it to froyo 2.2 but same issue. I mean i like the phone, its great in all factors except graphics
I bought a Nexus 7 to use it as an ebook reader and I'm plenty satisfied in that regard. I soon discovered that I can do plenty of other interesting things with it so I rooted it mainly to install the Sixaxis app. My main point of interest is with emulators. I've bought every decent emulator available in the Google Play store (see the screenshot ). Soon, I saw the limits of the N7: small screen and average CPU/GPU performance.
So, I started looking for another 10 inches Android tablet and, until yesterday, it was to be a Nexus 10 (when available). But, after reading a lot of complains about the Exynos 5 in the N10 being throttled, I wonder if this tablet is really the best choice in term of available CPU / GPU performance. If only a fraction of the Exynos 5 power is available due to thermal constraints or if it gets throttled a lot, maybe the N10 isn't the best tablet out there for gaming and emulation...
I know that I could flash another ROM and start fiddling with the CPU parameters but I don't like that idea. I'm worried about battery life, overheating and all the troubles you get when you want to update to a newer version of Android after you switched ROMs. Overclocking is not something I want to do either. I would like to stay with the stock ROM. Are my concerns about changing ROMs valid? I may change my mind about this though, if it's the best solution and there is no danger of damaging my N10.
So, my questions are: is the N10 a good choice for emulation and for gaming? Is there other 10 inches tablets that would fill the bill better? Should I think about ROM replacement and/or tweaking instead and stay with the N10? I started checking the Galaxy Tab 10.1 and it doesn't compare very well to the N10 (price, specs, screen). Also, there is the Tegra4 pointing at the horizon...
Edit:
I'll probably go for the N10 when it will be available. I'm reading the AOKP ROM thread and it sounds like the dev has nailed most of my concerns. Here's the link of the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2095222
And here's a nice video showing it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNxdhF-nvec
Thanks for the video link.