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Would like your advice!

Hi people. Im about to change phone. Right now i am/was so willing to get X1, but it looks like that that i liked so much about my N series phone was the ability to install plenty of apps and games with no problems at all. It looks like this WM OS and phones with it differ at lot from each other and there are plenty of compatibility issues (ex. the WVGA screen limit5s games a LOT) emulators too (even with the hgher cpu they dont roon as smooth as in Symbian) and hell, a lot more things. i also think X1 screen, because of its 16:9 nature, is small for it being a touch screen....
im not sure few days ago saw nokia N97 and thought THAT is my thing, but wont be able to buy it on summer, only during this month, so cant wait...(i dont live in USa nor EU)
I was hoping you could give your advice about this, i like advance devices and OS, i somehow like WM, but never thought of its limits. NO, i dont want Touch HD nor any other only touchscreen phone. I liek keyborad, better if Kwerty. and even though BB's tempt me (all my friends have em) not willing to pay that much for such limited cell-phones.
Thanks in advance

I thought a resolution change will always affect the compatibility on any device regardless it is running on wm or symbian or android...
I just switch from a iphone and loving the x1.... it feels much smoother than my iphone... but maybe thats because I installed a lot of apps on it to slow the iphone down
you will need a little time to adjust for the new phone... but once you get use to it it almost feel like its just another touch screen with a keyboard for sms/email...

uhm.. thanks for answering...
any1 else???

went from n73 to this...must say im not looking back..only problem is the n73 loudspeaker was stronger..but who cares really

jahd5000 said:
Right now i am/was so willing to get X1, but it looks like that that i liked so much about my N series phone was the ability to install plenty of apps and games with no problems at all.
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which N series did you have? If we are talking S60v3, then you should love WM in this regard. No signing of any kind or hacking the phone for doing more than just scratching the surface. I left Symbian mainly because of that (second reason being UIQ is dead and I refuse to be a betatester for Nokia's first touchscreen phones) and looked to what I thought was the best OS at the moment.

Jabe said:
which N series did you have? If we are talking S60v3, then you should love WM in this regard. No signing of any kind or hacking the phone for doing more than just scratching the surface. I left Symbian mainly because of that (second reason being UIQ is dead and I refuse to be a betatester for Nokia's first touchscreen phones) and looked to what I thought was the best OS at the moment.
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uhm well yeah that whole signin thing sucked... but still gotta admit s60v3 had way more apps and games than WM...
most of good WM good apps are kind of old and run at resolutions that would mean a ridiculously small display in a corner at Xperia's WVGA screen

I switched from a Nokia N95 and I hold it was the right decision.
The N95 was slow, the slider was poorly manufactured, the display resolution was bad. I even disliked the "registering 3rd party programs before installing"-crap.
Also the webbrowser crashed with nearly all the sites I use and the EMail-client did not do as I wanted.
And although all the functions I wanted to use did not work, the battery was gone after one day.
Maybe I just had bad luck, but for me it was my first Nokia and it definitely was my last!
I was very disappointed with the N95 because I thought I'll get a smartphone but I just got an overprized ordinary mobile phone with a quite good camera and a 3.5mm phonejack.
Now, with the X1, I really have a pocketpc. It checks EMails every 10min, I can install all the 3rd party programs I want, the display is fantastic and for the games that don't work with the wvga resolution, I simply use WVGAfix3 (the 2nd version made a lot of problems with my phone).
I now have a scheduler, navigation system, messenger, pocketpc and a phone in one device.
Of course, I encountered a few problems, but I'm confident they will be gone with the first update.

I stopped with symbian at the Nokia 6310i (what an amazing battery life - thing wouldn't die!).
From then the Prophet, Trinity, Kaiser, Raphael and now Xperia.
Anyway, I think the Xperia is the best so far, and windows mobile definately has lots of opportunities (just past early adopter stage). I must admit, I spend a lot of time tweaking, customising etc - but it's nice that you can do that.
Previous phones were a little unstable, but so far Xperia is 100% reliable. Haven't had any problems (reliability wise). Expensive though, so maybe its an idea to go try both in the store first?
A friend of mine had the N95 (I think) and cursed and swore every day because he was reflashing it left right and center.
Besides that, I find WM more compatible with the office things I need (at this point).

just try both device before you buy...
I'm using xperia for a month right now, and I'm satisfied with it, I admit that initial firmware/ROM needs lot of fixes, but I'm sure future ROM will improve xperia x1...

with symbian you can't fix issues yourself, with winmobile you can, and both system have issues on new devices.
Afterall the matter is: do you need a phone that can be used a pda (symbian) or a pda that can be used for make phone calls (winmobile)?

jahd5000 said:
but still gotta admit s60v3 had way more apps and games than WM...
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really ? I think I only installed 4 progs on my last s60 device, all the rest seemed tat.
freewarepocketpc are claiming over 6700 titles for Wm, and that's freeware

fards said:
really ? I think I only installed 4 progs on my last s60 device, all the rest seemed tat.
freewarepocketpc are claiming over 6700 titles for Wm, and that's freeware
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ok, but many of those 6700 are only minor tweaks, like making this icon bigger, or organization, hundreds of chnage interface things which are not that determining (does that word exist?)
game on WM are mostly boring against Symbian's...(example, WM= 1000 variations of each: Bejeweled, Solitaire, and other blocks/cards games; Symbian has of all genres)
thats what ive noticed on most sites (including warezs) and nice games ive found, already said this, are not exactly very compatible with X1 screen. Yes, there is WVGAFix3 (which, for what ive read, doesnt apply for everything) but still to see half of the screen in black...dunno... :S
anyways, im going al the way with X1 as my first WM device, optimistic.

Do you regret the X1?

I've been wanting and waiting to buy the xperia since it was released. I'm finally just about to buy it (had one ordered but the order fell through on their end, and so now have time to reconsider). I'm a programmer and very technically-minded, so I am not anticipating having any technical problems with optimizing/dealing with the phone. I'm looking for something powerful (and beautiful) that I can customize and use fully for a while.
However, I see many posts here about people regretting purchasing the xperia, mostly because of sluggish performance (and case cracks). When I go to the local Sony store to play with the display phone they have, I can definitely see that I would be very unhappy with a stock set, it's too unresponsive for me, plus the finger-friendly issues with win6.1. I know all about the different speed tweaks and touchscreen response tweaks available here for the xperia, but it's hard to get a feeling for just how well they work and how much a difference they really make.
But since I'm a regular xda reader, etc, I have hopes that some of the nice roms posted here will improve the system responsiveness, I'm especially looking at gtrab's set, mobilevu's v-lite and wild child's concept rom.
My question is: even if you continue to stick with the phone, do you actually regret getting the xperia?
I've been waiting for a long time for a real killer phone and while the xperia looks like it for me, I don't want to be disappointed even with custom roms... the hero looks like an option to me if the xperia isn't going to live up to my hopes.
thanks!

Absolutely I regret it. At the time I had just drowned a k850i, and bought another k850i to replace it. Then I saw a decent deal on an X1a, and I went for it. For the money, this phone just isn't worth it. I was happier with my SE dumb phones. I'm waiting for the Idou or whatever they're calling it now. This is after spending months waiting for the c905a...

best phone if you know how to use wm or if you are not too stupid to figure out how
some people are really dumb and should just get an Iphone though

DatDereX1 said:
best phone if you know how to use wm or if you are not to stupid to figure out how
some people are really dumb and should just get an Iphone though
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Absolutely.
I never had a single doubt about it.

My question is: even if you continue to stick with the phone, do you actually regret getting the xperia?
Yes, I regret getting the Xperia X1.
I've had an XDA of one sort or another for the last 4-5 years so I'm used to WinMo and it isn't the OS that's the problem. My perception is that it is too fragile for day-to-day use. My sig says changed twice due to cracks in the casing... make that three times as of today!
It is only the fantastic ROMs from the talented chefs here at XDAdev that make it bearable. Most of the ROMs have Rhodium enhancements, and since I really like those enhancements, I'll be looking at a Rhodium next time around.

Nope because I get every dollar (even with the discount) out of my purchase. I use ALL of the features on a daily basis lol.

I do not regret buying an X1. But, buyer beware, it is not perfect out of the box.
My fun was getting it perfect for my preferences. I enjoy having the option to dig in and customize my device with various software or settings tweaks.
It is a well made device and the R3 rom which was finally released for NAM yesterday has improved my reception as well as speed and smoothness running different programs.
I have also flashed it multiple times with custom roms from the chefs here at XDA.
While the price for it was, and still is, ridiculous, I am happy with the phone overall.
I would love to see a winmo 6.5 upgrade for it in the future but realistically, I don't expect it.
I have had mine for around four months, have no cracks in the case and protect my screen with a Martin Fields protector. I use a ICE-45 OEM case.
I would recommend this phone as long as you have disposable income.
It doesn't matter what you buy, in six to twelve months something better will be available. That can be said for all high tech devices.

i do regret it, i've been using sony ericsson for 3 years and lots phones: k800> k608> M600> W880> K850 > W960 >xperia1
somehow Xperia1 is not perfect to me
- camera isnot better even than k800/k850/w960
- music player is definitely worsen/ not friendly than k850/w960- this 2 phones were amazing at its onw strengths- camera/music
- xperia speed is somehow slow/ often hang
that all i want SE to improve and put effort on X2/3 which should have combination of k850 camera/ w960 music and speed. if they do it, their phone would be perfect all aspects

If you are not too concern about the lack of response, I would say its one of the better WM phone..
If you are not too concern about phone hanging once in a while, I would say its one of the better WM phone
If you are not too concern about the music quality, I would say its still one of the better WM phone
If you are not too concern about Window Mobile OS, I would say go get the X1
Do your research on the X1 and compare features before you decide..
For me, yes, I regret it and it has such a low resell value that I am stuck with it for a while now

xperiance said:
I've been wanting and waiting to buy the xperia since it was released. I'm finally just about to buy it (had one ordered but the order fell through on their end, and so now have time to reconsider). I'm a programmer and very technically-minded, so I am not anticipating having any technical problems with optimizing/dealing with the phone. I'm looking for something powerful (and beautiful) that I can customize and use fully for a while.
However, I see many posts here about people regretting purchasing the xperia, mostly because of sluggish performance (and case cracks). When I go to the local Sony store to play with the display phone they have, I can definitely see that I would be very unhappy with a stock set, it's too unresponsive for me, plus the finger-friendly issues with win6.1. I know all about the different speed tweaks and touchscreen response tweaks available here for the xperia, but it's hard to get a feeling for just how well they work and how much a difference they really make.
But since I'm a regular xda reader, etc, I have hopes that some of the nice roms posted here will improve the system responsiveness, I'm especially looking at gtrab's set, mobilevu's v-lite and wild child's concept rom.
My question is: even if you continue to stick with the phone, do you actually regret getting the xperia?
I've been waiting for a long time for a real killer phone and while the xperia looks like it for me, I don't want to be disappointed even with custom roms... the hero looks like an option to me if the xperia isn't going to live up to my hopes.
thanks!
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I regret getting the Xperia...
The Primary Reasons (In Priorities Order) That I Got Xperia:
1) Optical Mouse - All of the reviewers on the internet kept referring the D-pad as an Optical Mouse. I didn't want an Optical Joystick, I wanted a Mouse. Furthermore the effing reviewers rarely mentioned that the D-pad was horrible.
2) The keyboard - Everyone raved that the keyboard was amazing, so I thought that I'd enjoyed it. But I think even the HTC Touch Pro 1 has a better keyboard. Why? We all know the front D-pad on TP1 and X1 sucks so much. But atleast Touch Pro 1 is designed for text functionality and has a keyboard D-pad which Xperia lacks. I was at first content with the lack of keyboard arrows because I expected the optical mouse and D-pad to work flawlessly. The Xperia does not have good indicators for Capitalization or blue FN keys. You have to look at the screen and it is hard to tell compared to looking and typing simultaneously on the keyboard. I always capitalize or insert symbols/numbers unexpectedly. The number keys are hid behind the text and I have never used a keyboard on a phone before so I thought it was a smart move with the Xperia. But it's just totally not effective.
Furthermore I rarely use the front D-pad in portrait mode because that is when my stylus is out, and I learned that it is most useful to use it when you are in keyboard mode, except the optical mouse is hard to use and I want keyboard-like arrow buttons.
3) I never had a depressed screen before - I learned that I would rather have scratches on my phone than have a depressed screen. I remember on a few forums that I praised the X1 for having the "usefulness" of a depressed screen, and now I apologize and join the other side of the argument.
4) I thought the screen was big. I was wrong, I've never had any phone with 3 inch screens before and I thought that 3 inch was big. This is why I do not install Touch Flo roms on this phone because Touch Flo owns on a 3.5+ inch screen, but is pointless in a <3.0 inch screen
5) I expected the front face keys to be easy to press and enjoyable. Boy was I wrong.
6) I thought the chrome was metal chrome as well. I was wrong again. It is chipping off already and the D-pad is also chipping off is glossy paint. But I have to admit it that peeling that paint off makes the D-pad looks much more high quality at the cost of losing the shininess.
7) I thought that the silver battery cover was scratch less and easy to remove from the back. It took me 3 months to perfect the art of battery cover removal.
8) The CPU is slow, but I think there is something wrong with my Xperia. I have a Samsung SCH-I760 in which Pocket Player and Core Player is twice as fast as the Xperia X1 with optimized settings.
The only thing that is preventing my from selling my Xperia is the fact that I love the gorgeous R3A Media Panel and its interface and the 3.5 mm headphone jack and the Flash LED.

xperiance said:
My question is: even if you continue to stick with the phone, do you actually regret getting the xperia?
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What none of the replies are saying is that it depends quite a lot on where you live and mostly work.
Why ? Because the X1 has a truly terrible GMS signal reception in marginal areas, irrespective of which radio ROM you have installed. I've tested this side by side with an HTC P3650 and an Acer DX900, using the same SIM in each device, directly after one another. The X1 works fine in the cities, hopeless in marginal areas.
Also the 3G UMTS (internet) capability is limited to 1900/2100Mhz in the X1. If you need UMTS 850Mhz in regional areas, try for an X1a.
The original battery is underpowered and heats dangerously with continued use of GPS or wifi while on charge.

Hmmm this is a hard one to tackle.... for me I always regret some part of the phone... maybe frustrated is the work I should use instead of regret. my phone progression has been
550 motorola flip --> Motorola TAC Elite --> Motorola QWERTY messaging phone (forgot the model) --> SE P800 --> BB 7250 & SE W900 --> BB 8830 & Nokia N95 --> BB 8830 & Nokia N85 -- BB 8830 & SE X1
the X1 marked a major change in the way I used my personal phone, primarily for e-mail and messaging, so my criteria have changed a bit. Although the N95/N85 were smart phones, i still primarily used them as phones, and not integrated messaging devices. The Blackberry was always for work, and has always primarily been a messaging device so I have drawn the baseline experience from that.
To answer your question in short: No. No serious regrets.
To answer you question in detail: Yes, I have regrets but the issues can be mitigated/X1 seemed to be the best blend of trade-offs:
1) Lack of free integrated international maps. Global data roaming costs and arm and a leg. Pay as you go in some countries don't include data, so Google Maps downloading data is a bit of a concern when i'm using the GPS abroad. This was a factor when I was deciding between the X1 or N97. I spend 9 of 12 months in home territory so i can probably manage without free international maps. (Garmin, Wayfinder don't have maps for Japan or other Asian countries that I spend time in, and you have to pay for maps unlike the free Nokia Maps app)
2) Windows Mobile quirkiness. WM 6.1 is slow. Weird things happen like accounts go missing, spontaneous reboots, lock ups, crashes, when you install different things. It's not as customizable (stock), I haven't found a voice dialler/voice synth, and the menu system is not intuitive. The messaging system is more robust however, and there is great aftermarket customization (ROMS and MODS from here), etc. I think some of these shortcommings can easily be rectified by the community, but they're still annoying. COmmunity and aftermarket support maturity ended up being a huge factor for me.
3) Form factor. It is slightly thicker than my N85, but thinner than my N95, just as wide, and only 1 cm or so taller. It is comfortable in my hand and is pocketable. The N97 is not much bigger, but the BB Bold is a lot fatter. Seemed like a good compromise.
4) Battery Life. Horrid. I could get 3-4 days normal use with my N85. I use 30% of the battery on a low usage day, and 50-60% on a moderate usage day. Mind you I use the data a lot more, which does suck up more battery, but I should get more than a day's charge out of it IMO. I'm going to chalk this up to my use of data, and hope that there is a future radio/rom upgrade that is easier on battery usage.
5) Functionality as a messaging device. I IM, e-mail, and SMS much more than I call. probably 8-to-1. I do find myself resorting back to my BB8830 for heavy IM usage sessions, possibly because I am more familiar with it, but realistically because I'm much more used to the keyboard. Heavily considered the BB Bold for this reason alone. Maybe things will change after a month or two getting used to the X1. The N97 which I also considered had serious issues as being a robust messaging device. It seemed adequate, and may have improved with further firmware releases/development, but S60 5th Edition seemed limited in more ways somehow.
6) Recessed screen. Pain in the ass. Not a deal breaker tho since I have thin fingers and am pretty dexterous. I can understand why this would be a larger issue for other people however. Definitely a poor design choice.
7) Volume. This is a quiet device. I'll have to amplify and re-jig all my custom call tones, and what not. Annoying, but manageable.
8) Poor camera. I'm used to a really good quality 5 MP Carl Zeiss lense that was on the N85. I didn't use it much but it was a nice thing to have as a backup. I feel a bit stifled by the camera on the X1, but since I'm not really using it that much, it becomes a lower weighted criteria.
So as you can see, for me, it was not a simple choice between a BB Bold, SE X1, Nokia N97, or waiting for the new Samsung B7610, HTC Touch 2, SE X2, or some other next gen device. Lots of factors, and yes I do have regrets around a lot of them, but you do the best you can and just move on.
I've found with some tweaking the X1 usable/tolerable, and meeting 80% of my needs. Nothing will ever be perfect, and if I follow the 80/20 rule, meeting 80% of my requirements for a decent price is usually as good a deal as I can ask for.

On reflection, yes... I regret it.
I resent the implication by DatDereX1 that somehow the phone's shortcomings are down to my stupidity. If it was a simple case of software, then all of the problems would instantly be resolved by a flash of the ROM - but that isn't the case. WinMo aside, the hardware is far from perfect:
* abysmal battery life
* poor responsiveness to touch
* recessed screen
* case suceptible to cracks
* poor external speaker
* reception is poor (compared to other devices in the same location on the same network)
When you throw in the stock software, you can add to that sluggish performance and poor usability. Out-of-the-box it is quite simply a device that is well below par.
With custom ROMs the situation becomes bareable but you still can't get away from the basic hardware issues... and even with the ROMs, performance is still far from lightening quick.
Even those devoted to WinMo would surely have to conceed it is not the best implementation of the OS on a device.

i bought it after selling iphone 3g...was tired of iphone's on-screen keyboard....and the phone was jus too wide...holding it made my palms ache.
other than that..the features werent elaborate
so i bought X1...X1 is everything i wanted in a phone..but it could do with many improvements.
some problems i have with x1:
1. Panels crash sometimes..very rarely..but when they do..i have to soft reset.
2. Camera is slow.
3. panels development not as fast as expected.
4. scrolling on windows mobile sux.
5. touch response....dont know if its windows mobile or hardwares fault...but it can be improved...iphone has a very good touch response.

i bought it after selling iphone 3g...was tired of iphone's on-screen keyboard....and the phone was jus too wide...holding it made my palms ache.
other than that..the features werent elaborate
so i bought X1...X1 is everything i wanted in a phone..but it could do with many improvements.
some problems i have with x1:
1. Panels crash sometimes..very rarely..but when they do..i have to soft reset.
2. Camera is slow.
3. panels development not as fast as expected.
4. scrolling on windows mobile sux.
5. touch response....dont know if its windows mobile or hardwares fault...but it can be improved...iphone has a very good touch response.

I only regret I have no Xperia. I bought one for my wife and she uses it greatly. I have no money currently to spend on another one. I'm stuck for 5+ years with my old trusted Nokia 6230 (not even 6230i) phone if you remember the one.
I know definitely my next phone will be some PPC with WinMo. Maybe X2...

i do regret buying the x1, because now i want something more powerful with more features, eye candy and sexier...but u know what? i am still yet to find the device.
i really want to replace my x1 but i cant see anything to replace it with, will never buy the iphone unless it comes with fm radio, camera light or flash, mp3 for ringtones and multitasking abilities...so im kinda stuck with my x1, lets hope the x2 is much sexier, or else i would be buying a future htc android device with sense ui
i have two problems with the x1 so far
1. the battery loses its paint when touched often
2. the battery life is worse than my p1i ...thing is that i did more on my p1i than i do on my x1

Not at all, I love it.
All phones have their faults, hell, I sold my E90 Communicator to get one of these.
I loved that phone too, but Nokia's support of it was abysmal (it took them over a year to release a firmware fix for the Bluetooth issue that they broke with a firmware release...) and it got to the point where it was becoming a pain to use.
With all technology, there will be problems, they are coded by humans don't forget
I'd rather have 'quirks' or little niggles that can be sorted with small apps or tweaks than to have a featureless brick any day of the week.
Plus, it gives me a chance to satisfy my *need* to play with the newest toys!

I love my Xperia.
I am sick of these threads.
I don't know why so many of you say that you regret buying it (even though one of you that said they regret it also said it was the best phone available).
If you are unsure about a product read more about it. If you regret buying an Xperia (especially since you are at XDA-dev) it's your own damn fault.

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I love my Xperia.
I am sick of these threads.
I don't know why so many of you say that you regret buying it (even though one of you that said they regret it also said it was the best phone available).
If you are unsure about a product read more about it. If you regret buying an Xperia (especially since you are at XDA-dev) it's your own damn fault.
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Thats so true.
It is just such a tiny little effort needed to put into the x1 to make it the most powerful phone of all.
Again I must stick to my phrase:
Regretting == Not being able to handle the X1

X2 - Need some opinions

Alright. I had the X1 as my main phone for a decent amount of time. Year and a half or two maybe (decent for me, I go through a new phone every six months). But it recently fell beyond repair and I switched to the nexus one, figuring it would be a good place to jump into that whole android world. I do like that world too, however, I miss windows mobile and I miss my Xperia. Now with the X2 floating around, I have a few questions.
1. Does anyone have any prolong Xperiance with the x2?
2. What are the major Cons?
3. What are the major improvements (user opinion) over the x1. Not just the spec list, but look and feel, and help online, roms, etc etc.
4. Would it be worth trading my nexus one for? I miss having a keyboard, and I want TV - out.
5. Lastly, TV - Out, is it horribad?
I didn't seen a x2 forumn, so I posted here, move if necessary. Thanks!

i havent had experience with it, but i know the keyboard on the X2 is much better in look and feel. i want one myself

Pros: It adds 8M camera and has a flush screen. Accelerometer. Nice new Panel interface
Cons: No conventional D-pad. Little support from XDA-Devs. High price.
I don't feel like the X2 has enough benefit to upgrade. If it was less expensive and had XDA-Dev support (it doesn't because it is not an HTC-made device so it has very different software) I would be looking to get one. Using the same processor and RAM certainly makes it harder for me to justify getting one. I'd say get a nice cheap X1 and save up for the next top-shelf model. IF you must upgrade perhaps an HD2.
P.S. I have not had hands-on time with the X2, just YouTube vids and tech reviews so my opinion is only semi-informed.

ive had the X2 for a couple months. price is no different to the X1 when it came out so id consider it no more or less expensive (and if you sell on your existing X1 then the cost to upgrade is cut in half) i got mine from ebay for £375.
ill warn you of the cons first...
battery life for me is quite bad but i can live with it. the X1 wasnt that great for me to be honest so im kind of used to it. expect to charge it daily.
at the moment the firmware isnt quite up to scratch but once again its no worse than the X1 was when i first had it. theres a firmware update due this month so hopefully that will sort a lot of the problems.
loss of the dpad, but you get used to it. i find i use the touchscreen more anyway.
as mentioned before, no support for XDA-devs so if youre into replacing roms every five mins youll be dissappointed. but a lot X1 software still works on the X2, just not everything.
the hardware inside is the same as the X1 so dont expect any major speed improvements when using software. but i was happy enough with the speed of the X1 anyway so not a problem for me.
currently theres no front camera for videocalling and no FM radio support but these will both be activated in the forthcoming update.
Pros.
construction is far superior. back to the quality i expect from sony.
i find the overall design much better and more attractive. the curved back makes it look smaller and less of a brick even though its near enough the same size. side by side with my X1 it makes the X1 look very dated indeed.
keyboard has a very nice feel to it. ive not used it long enough to detect any problems but im more confident it will last.time will tell of course. the keys arent squidgy or crunch when pressed. when its opened it feels reassuringly tight as it slides and snaps into place. the x1 felt more sloppy and when opened didnt feel all that sturdy.
the screen is a tiny bit larger but is much clearer and sharper. its also flush with the body which a lot of people wanted.
it currently has wm 6.5 and soon to have wm 6.5.2 and then wm 6.5.3 in a couple of months.
the overall experience is much better. the X1 always felt to me that it was a pocketpc with a phone tacked on as an afterthought. the X2 has a much better dialer and phone interface. feels like a proper phone now.
improved camera, ive not used it much but seems better from the few times ive used it. (although the multishot function doesnt work, id imagine this is one of the bug fixes in the upcoming update)
ive not used the tvout so cant really comment, not something id use to be honest.
i liked my X1 but it was falling apart, so im pleased i upgraded to the X2. if you wish to return to the xperia experience then i think you would be happy, just dont expect any major upgrades. consider it more of an X1.5 and then you wont be dissappointed. between a cheap X1 and the more expensive X2 then id definately recommend the X2 (unless the X1 was very very cheap of course.lol) dont pay any more than £400 ($700) theres plenty available for less than that price.

anothadave said:
ive had the X2 for a couple months. price is no different to the X1 when it came out so id consider it no more or less expensive (and if you sell on your existing X1 then the cost to upgrade is cut in half) i got mine from ebay for £375.
ill warn you of the cons first...
battery life for me is quite bad but i can live with it. the X1 wasnt that great for me to be honest so im kind of used to it. expect to charge it daily.
at the moment the firmware isnt quite up to scratch but once again its no worse than the X1 was when i first had it. theres a firmware update due this month so hopefully that will sort a lot of the problems.
loss of the dpad, but you get used to it. i find i use the touchscreen more anyway.
as mentioned before, no support for XDA-devs so if youre into replacing roms every five mins youll be dissappointed. but a lot X1 software still works on the X2, just not everything.
the hardware inside is the same as the X1 so dont expect any major speed improvements when using software. but i was happy enough with the speed of the X1 anyway so not a problem for me.
currently theres no front camera for videocalling and no FM radio support but these will both be activated in the forthcoming update.
Pros.
construction is far superior. back to the quality i expect from sony.
i find the overall design much better and more attractive. the curved back makes it look smaller and less of a brick even though its near enough the same size. side by side with my X1 it makes the X1 look very dated indeed.
keyboard has a very nice feel to it. ive not used it long enough to detect any problems but im more confident it will last.time will tell of course. the keys arent squidgy or crunch when pressed. when its opened it feels reassuringly tight as it slides and snaps into place. the x1 felt more sloppy and when opened didnt feel all that sturdy.
the screen is a tiny bit larger but is much clearer and sharper. its also flush with the body which a lot of people wanted.
it currently has wm 6.5 and soon to have wm 6.5.2 and then wm 6.5.3 in a couple of months.
the overall experience is much better. the X1 always felt to me that it was a pocketpc with a phone tacked on as an afterthought. the X2 has a much better dialer and phone interface. feels like a proper phone now.
improved camera, ive not used it much but seems better from the few times ive used it. (although the multishot function doesnt work, id imagine this is one of the bug fixes in the upcoming update)
ive not used the tvout so cant really comment, not something id use to be honest.
i liked my X1 but it was falling apart, so im pleased i upgraded to the X2. if you wish to return to the xperia experience then i think you would be happy, just dont expect any major upgrades. consider it more of an X1.5 and then you wont be dissappointed. between a cheap X1 and the more expensive X2 then id definately recommend the X2 (unless the X1 was very very cheap of course.lol) dont pay any more than £400 ($700) theres plenty available for less than that price.
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nice to hear from an x2 owner, wanted to ask about the included earphones sound quality, is it any good and could you recommend a place one could be got for less than 400£

the included headphones arent too bad. depends how much of an audiophile you are! theyre the in ear type but not the ones that go deep into your ear. i actually kept hold of the X1 headphones as i was used to them. but sound wise theyre very similar. i thought it would be better to sell on unused headphones with my x1. i found the sound quality was much better using pocketplayer rather than the supplied media player. pocket player has dsp plugins with bass boosters and equalizers etc. sony of course are famous for the walkman brand so do know a tiny bit about music lol. they wouldnt package anything too cheap and nasty. i would say theyre a decent mid range set and personally im quite happy with the sound quality. the x2 has a standard 3.5mm jack of course so you can always use a different set of headphones.
i got my X2 from ebay. theres plenty on there right now for just under £400. i was lucky to get one privately which was about £50 cheaper than the rest. i dont think they knew the value of what they where selling
this one is currently £370
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Sony-Ericsson...MobilePhones_MobilePhones?hash=item335b24f895
theres plenty of others for around £389 - 399. most from hongkong though but they do tend to give away some free goodies. theres currently an X2 on auction for around £200 but i think its a used one.

thanks for the information on the earphones and also the ebay listings. good to hear the audio quality is decent. hopefully i'll get my hands on one soon.

Me finally and hopefully this week.

lol i hope i havent bigged up the headphones too much if youre going to listen to music then hunt down pocketplayer... its not too hard to find theres a big difference in the sound quality compared to wmp and looks very good when its full of albums with the cover art. probably my top recommended software for any wm phone to be honest.

Haha. Thanks for all the thoughts... Though I still can't decide. I LOVED my X1. It did fall apart however. The earpiece stopped working, (had to do calls on speakerphone or bluetooth). Then the flash stopped working for a little, but I managed to fix that. Recently it stopped working again. Whats funny is the case is cracked up, and stuff isn't working, but the screen (with no screen protecter EVER) Is still pristine.
X2 should be just as awesome, though I like the whole changing roms thing, and xda has been so helpful with my x1. I do like my Nexus one and the whole 1ghz processor and android has been fun. Though I think I may trade it for the x2 to help cover the cost We'll see. If any of you all are interested in that trade, send me a PM. I'm not quite set on it yet, but it's possible.

rickyzone said:
Haha. Thanks for all the thoughts... Though I still can't decide. I LOVED my X1. It did fall apart however. The earpiece stopped working, (had to do calls on speakerphone or bluetooth). Then the flash stopped working for a little, but I managed to fix that. Recently it stopped working again. Whats funny is the case is cracked up, and stuff isn't working, but the screen (with no screen protecter EVER) Is still pristine.
X2 should be just as awesome, though I like the whole changing roms thing, and xda has been so helpful with my x1. I do like my Nexus one and the whole 1ghz processor and android has been fun. Though I think I may trade it for the x2 to help cover the cost We'll see. If any of you all are interested in that trade, send me a PM. I'm not quite set on it yet, but it's possible.
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Rick'
What are the downsides to Android compared to WM 6.5.5? A lot of are thinking of making the jump now that WP7 sounds like a half-ass iPhone. Any thoughts?

Rick'
What are the downsides to Android compared to WM 6.5.5? A lot of are thinking of making the jump now that WP7 sounds like a half-ass iPhone. Any thoughts?
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Well, and I read this a lot, noticed it with my nexus, android doesn't seem quite as mature as winmo, and a lot of the good stuff requires a rooted phone which of course voids the warranty. Everything I ever used the phone was there though (phone, message, email, gmail (two different apps, wasn't streamlined, didn't have an issue though), web access (no flash yet), games (always love all of gamevils games i'll pay for em), and ftp access to my webserver.) I didn't like androids soft keyboard when compared to my old iphone 3gs. Game selection wasn't all that great, but apps were still solid, many of them at least. Other then that though, no issues. I think I've tried every Mobile OS on at least a few phones except a few, and Android is definitely tied up there with windows mobile.

rickyzone said:
Well, and I read this a lot, noticed it with my nexus, android doesn't seem quite as mature as winmo, and a lot of the good stuff requires a rooted phone which of course voids the warranty. Everything I ever used the phone was there though (phone, message, email, gmail (two different apps, wasn't streamlined, didn't have an issue though), web access (no flash yet), games (always love all of gamevils games i'll pay for em), and ftp access to my webserver.) I didn't like androids soft keyboard when compared to my old iphone 3gs. Game selection wasn't all that great, but apps were still solid, many of them at least. Other then that though, no issues. I think I've tried every Mobile OS on at least a few phones except a few, and Android is definitely tied up there with windows mobile.
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Thanks, dude, that's helpful.

X1 replacement

Sony is replacing my X1a with an X2a. I had very little interest in the X2a so I am not well informed about this phone.
Should I be happy? I really love the X1. I supplement my nexus one with it when I travel.
I would really love to hear from X1 users who have migrated to the X2. Thank you.

Heh it's a "stinky" subject here.
I mean basically we cannot say different: SE screwed this.
Because they didn't release finished Firmware.
And that is the shame. Big shame.
I did convert from X1 to X2.
And to be honest, in almost every area X2 is better than X1.
Screen, construction, camera, UI, Qwerty keyboard.
I use it as my device.
Besides stability.

Simple:
X1 = Hardware: FAIL / Software: OK
X2 = Hardware: OK / Software: FAIL
Al least, you can protect an X1 with cases. But, the X2 is a excellent phone when it's turned off.
Cheers.

Well, I can say I use it as my only device.
And if I reboot it every few days, it's flawless.

You guys are funny. I had a good laugh because I know the xperia series all have some quirks. Thanks for the info.
I read some reviews saying the screen response was worse than the X1. Any opinions?

needmoregigs said:
You guys are funny. I had a good laugh because I know the xperia series all have some quirks. Thanks for the info.
I read some reviews saying the screen response was worse than the X1. Any opinions?
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Why laugh? I was trying to be informative.
The screen in the latest FW is OK, slightly worse than X1,
or actually I'd say different: X1 required very short touch to response,
X2 requires longer taps. But works well.

the shop gave me x2 in february when they couldnt repair my x1. but if i knew then what i know now about x2 i would rather ask them for moneyback or some other high end device.
X1 in 2009 was a great phone (still my favourite), but x2 in 2010 is hardwarewise a midle range phone (almost the sam cpu and ram as htc tattoo). pricewice is a high end phone. software vise is an sorry excuse for a phone.
i would never take the x2 in february with the experience i have now with it.
i cant imagine that some folks had to pay for this phone (if i can even call it that). its like 400-500€ that got trown away.
my opinion.

I think that the bad opinion about the X2 is due to the old firmwares.
I bought mine 10 days ago and I'm happy with it.
The X2, now, is far from perfect, but isn't absolutely a crap phone.
It is doing everything I need (other than pbap) and I'm still using it instead of the milestone, although the latter is now almost perfect on the sw side, and has a powerfull HW.
I'm still prefer the X2 over the milestone, because the keyboard, because the optical Dpad available in portrait, because I can choose between operamini and opera mobile, because the battery life, because the form factor, because I can watch almost any movie w/o any conversion process, and last but not least, because I don't like the "bigbrotherness" of the android devices.

doministry said:
Why laugh? I was trying to be informative.
The screen in the latest FW is OK, slightly worse than X1,
or actually I'd say different: X1 required very short touch to response,
X2 requires longer taps. But works well.
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I've been using SE phones for a very long time so I know how they operate. I like their phones and try to be lighthearted when trying to deal with either their software or hardware shortcomings. Thankfully we have awesome contributors here at XDA who help address these flaws.
I appreciate everyone who took time to read my post and then reply. I will be delving deeper into this forum when I get my hands on the phone.

You must take X2.
Brother in my opinion you must take X2. its a great phone.
Doesnt matter about software soon we are going to get fix for everything..as you have been using X1 you must be knowing that it' software was also crappy in the starting but updates and contributions by developers made it the best phone...i hope n sure that same thing wil happen with X2.
But decision is yours..you cant get any other high-end product from SE. as X2 is the product whether its rate, camera, screen resolution etc.

i use x2:
- screen size (HD2 is too big)
- qwerty
need a little more stable and it will be perfect

Hmmm X2...
I love my X1 to death. I've had it since it was first released! I bought the X2 recently, prepping it as a gift for my significant other. OMG, I'm having a hard time navigating through this thing; menu lagging and slow, confusing options.
I'm so used to the typical WM6 today screen, I'm still looking into the X2 having it.
Its not a bad decision to 'upgrade', but just takes time to get used to I guess.
Good luck!

I'm so used to the typical WM6 today screen, I'm still looking into the X2 having it.
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The classic today is still there.

hwy7.fox said:
I love my X1 to death. I've had it since it was first released! I bought the X2 recently, prepping it as a gift for my significant other. OMG, I'm having a hard time navigating through this thing; menu lagging and slow, confusing options.
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Hahaha. I know exactly what you are talking about. I flashed a 6.5 rom for the X1 a while back. I used it for a few weeks and gave up. I went back to the stock rom and couldn't have been happier. I liked the X1's today screen because all notifications are conveniently on the main screen.
Oh well time to get used to another interface.

The replacement came in
Well, the replacement phone came in. I have to say that the firmware that came stock with the phone was terrible. It was absolute trash compared to the X1's. I've updated to the latest firmware on 8/26 which I'm assuming is the MR2 referenced here in the forums. It's much faster and more stable than stock. I could say that I can actually work with the thing.
Quick questions:
1. I looked in the FAQs and the last post update was in may. Should I apply the X2 SDfix.cab as recommended or has there been more developments since then?
2. Will some of the functions of XperiaTweek work with the X2 if I install it?
3. Is registry hacking still needed for the accelerometer and gps?
4. Will cleartemp still work?
P.S. I didn't expect the phone to be completely crappy out of the box. Now that I've experienced what you early X2 users have gone through, I wouldn't find your situation humorous.

SDFix is a MUST.
ClearTemp works perfect..
GPS I don't know.......
Accelerometer can be enabled by SE app available in PlayNow.

Gps works perfectly with most sw navigon/igo8/tomtom and so on.
With older sw you need to configure the gps to use the old styled serial port (eg: com4) instead of the newer gpd device.

Htc mini opinion?

I am thinking to buy and change my TOPAZ for a HD MINI, but I could see that´s there isn´t HSPL for this, and nobody is cooking. I aprecciate is somebody MINI owner, can give me opinion about this device, that see is beautiful but with few followers.
Thank´s in advance!!!!!

IHO
I didn't do my due diligence and missed the fact that sound volume is awful and there's stuff you can do to improve it but my Elf blows me out of the house by comparison.
Otherwise, depending on your use, it's a great shirt pocket phone. It has other faults -- For example, keeping the battery charged will probably be a daily chore -- but I was able to overcome them often with the help of this forum.
As always, it just depends on what how you will use it. If I needed a business phone, I'd look else where.
Humphster

humphster said:
I didn't do my due diligence and missed the fact that sound volume is awful and there's stuff you can do to improve it but my Elf blows me out of the house by comparison.
Otherwise, depending on your use, it's a great shirt pocket phone. It has other faults -- For example, keeping the battery charged will probably be a daily chore -- but I was able to overcome them often with the help of this forum.
As always, it just depends on what how you will use it. If I needed a business phone, I'd look else where.
Humphster
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Ok, thanks for your quickly answer, I will think about that.

few developers...
Personally, I love my mini... it doesn't freeze and lag like diamond 1 and 2...
love the capacitive touch screen, and it has a reasonable size...
the only thing bothering me is the lack of developers working on it.... I mean there is only one custom ROM so far!!

rudy-salameh said:
.. only one custom ROM so far!!
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There are two: Tom's and MaryOne

Also, Rudy, there are a number of tweaks and utility apps that are compatabile with the mini that are discussed in other forums. For example, I learned how to disable the volume rocker from a post in the HD Form. It looks like there's very little interest in the MIni (and there may be), but other winmo devices might be the key to a specific problem with the mini.

I like my Mini very much! It's a very good device if you compare price/quality That's very important to me, because I can't buy with a contract in my country. Sh*t-law...

how old is this phone?