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Hey guys,
I just got back from my holidays, so I wanted to tell you the story about my two Xperia Z2's.
Before I went on holidays I had one of the devices in my pocket. I walked around through town with some friends. After about 30 minutes of walking around, I took the phone out of my pocket. I was shocked, because the screen was broken/cracked! My friends were shocked too, they couldn't believe their eyes.
My friend did a quick google-search and read about other Xperia Z's with similar problems and Sony replacing these screens.
So I called the support the next day, and they gave me the adress to send it in.
Now I went on holidays, when my brother sent me a message, that I got a letter. He opened it and told me what was inside: warranty refused!
They want about 350€ to have it repaired! I was shocked again!
I had the 2nd Xperia Z2 with me, too (girlfriend's device). It was laying in our holiday house (fully charged!), when we went out to the beach. When we came back she wanted to check for new messages, tried to switch it on, but: nada! Hardreset didn't work, pushing the "power-off"-button didn't work either! It won't get recognized via the PC companion neither...
Now I got back and called the Sony support again. First because of the broken display. They say it was my failure, they won't repair it!
They will never repair any broken displays. The say, that the display is so very well produced, that all cracks will be from external physical forces.
But don't you all have your phones in your pocket? I mean, that's the normal usage of a mobile phone, isn't it?
I'm very very disappointed about Sony and their support! This was my first and last Sony phone ever! I will also sell my other Sony devices and get different things instead.
Google for example repaired my Nexus 4 without a doubt - and the phone had some scratches here and there, so a *possible* damage of myself. But they didn't ask, they repaired it!
Yea I've realised how bad Sony service is, not just in phones but other products also, I won't be purchasing another Sony device, the ps4 being the only possible exception but then again I'm a proper gamer so I play the majority of games on pc
I had a similar situation - my previous Xperia Z was a tank (in a good way), put it in my pocket, sat on it (lightly), dropped it, everything, barely a scratch let alone a cracked screen after 18 months. After a couple of months with the Z2, I thought I was being way more delicate with it, and one day I took it out my pocket to find part of the screen wasn't touch sensitive anymore, and found a hairline crack running from around the bottom of the SIM/MicroUSB port cover, across to the bottom of the MicroSD cover.
Given it coincidentally ran from one weak spot on the frame structure across to another, I suspect it's a lot weaker here and allows more flex, so allowing the glass to fracture. Didn't even bother with the warranty, I knew what Sony would say - I took the hit with the £75 excess against my phone insurance
Well, when I had iPhone 4S, Apple replaced my iPhone 2 times even if was hardly scratched and dented. They don't repair iPhones, they replace them, which is a great thing. SONY and other companies should learn from Apple.
Same case f##k Sony
My z2 was water damaged and now they are f##cking with me asking me to pay 400$ for new z2 f##k them
I don't think any company including apple covers physical damages under warranty. Friend of mine also broke her S4 screen from keep it in her jeans pockets which she had to pay for repair. I also dropped my Z2 and broke the screen but luckily I was able to claim it on insurance and they sent me a refurbished device as a replacement. Water damages also fall into physical damages and won't cover under warranty.
kamalmawa said:
I don't think any company including apple covers physical damages under warranty. Friend of mine also broke her S4 screen from keep it in her jeans pockets which she had to pay for repair. I also dropped my Z2 and broke the screen but luckily I was able to claim it on insurance and they sent me a refurbished device as a replacement. Water damages also fall into physical damages and won't cover under warranty.
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Here in Africa, Samsung covers both Water Damage (Replacing Motherboard) and Screen replacement, any of the 2 or both of the same. TWICE!! Over a period of 2 years. This including Regular warranty you get, for 2 years also.
I don't think anyone really covers physical damage. Too many people have the story of, "I had it in my pocket and suddenly it cracked." though they're too ashamed to admit they simply dropped it.
Also, are you talking normal warranty, or Sony Care purchased warranty? I bought the Sony Care warranty and the guy told me I could smash my phone right in front of him, and he'd simply hand me a new one. I phone that's waterproof, I have my doubts. That was mainly the reason I purchased the Sony Care.
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I don't think anyone really covers physical damage. Too many people have the story of, "I had it in my pocket and suddenly it cracked." though they're too ashamed to admit they simply dropped it.
Also, are you talking normal warranty, or Sony Care purchased warranty? I bought the Sony Care warranty and the guy told me I could smash my phone right in front of him, and he'd simply hand me a new one. I phone that's waterproof, I have my doubts. That was mainly the reason I purchased the Sony Care.
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I am talking about the normal Sony warranty (which is called "Sony Care" over here - no joke).
I'm really disappointed, even though in a way I can understand them (a lot of people will claim the phone got broken by itself), but on the other than: I had two of the devices not working after just a few weeks of usage, so I'd expect a little bit more instinctive feel from Sony to say "OK, send us both your phones and we'll repair them".
Google replaced the cracked screen on my Nexus 4 without a hassle! I even had the new one here before I sent the broken on back!
They didn't even ask what has happened to the device, even though it HAD some signs of wear allready - not like the Sony which looked brand new!
Another funny story is, that on the UK the BBC reported about the problems on the Z-series and Sony offered all UK-customers to replace their broken screens - but only in the UK, because it was on TV there...
This happened to me too! I sent Sony a mail about repairing or replacing the phone and one Month later they said no because a 3rd party company had repaired the phone while i havent repaired the phone yet?! I repaired the phone and now it isnt waterproof anymore.
It fell out of my hands face flat onto a concrete floor - I tried to catch it mid fall and ending up flicking it further away, around 4-5ft drop with quite a bit of force in the end.
NO DAMAGE at all!!
This phone is not as fragile as people are making out on xda.
Just thought I would let people know as all I see on here is 'it smashed/cracked by itself' 'i didn't drop it far etc etc
Perhaps I am just lucky, either way front and back glass are still perfectly fine.
This might help people who are still on the fence to buy it or not.
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Yeah I've had my phone fall a few times onto wooden floors, once into the crevices of my car seat, tossed on my bed etc; phone is still mint. No case or screen protector.
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pricey2009 said:
It fell out of my hands face flat onto a concrete floor - I tried to catch it mid fall and ending up flicking it further away, around 4-5ft drop with quite a bit of force in the end.
NO DAMAGE at all!!
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This might help people who are still on the fence to buy it or not.
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Well maybe you should change the title lol. Now people will think this is yet another thread about a Z3C that has fallen to pieces.
I've dropped mine after 1h from taking out of the box... from the microwave to to counter and to tiles floor, i lost few years of my life, but the phone was absolutely immaculate, not wearing any protection at all
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Well maybe you should change the title lol. Now people will think this is yet another thread about a Z3C that has fallen to pieces.
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Don't you think that makes it more likely to be read though? Lol
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You could change the title to something like "Post about your drops with no damage!"
every drop is different.
if you are lucky it survives a 2m drop.
if you are unlucky it cracks from 50cm
pricey2009 said:
It fell out of my hands face flat onto a concrete floor - I tried to catch it mid fall and ending up flicking it further away, around 4-5ft drop with quite a bit of force in the end.
NO DAMAGE at all!!
This phone is not as fragile as people are making out on xda.
Just thought I would let people know as all I see on here is 'it smashed/cracked by itself' 'i didn't drop it far etc etc
Perhaps I am just lucky, either way front and back glass are still perfectly fine.
This might help people who are still on the fence to buy it or not.
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Hey Pricey
Tbh I think you're massively lucky... but please add your experience to the survey, so that it's as representative as possible.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/sony-xperia-z3-z3-compact-glass-survey-t2900149
Regards,
Gary
gazzawazza said:
@pricey2009
Hey Pricey
Tbh I think you're massively lucky... but please add your experience to the survey, so that it's as representative as possible.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/sony-xperia-z3-z3-compact-glass-survey-t2900149
Regards,
Gary
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Sounds like a defective unit to me - ask Sony to replace for one that cracks properly :good:
To the OP.. What week is your phone was manufactured?
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Sparksys said:
To the OP.. What week is your phone was manufactured?
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you must be lucky - I dropped mine 2 days after getting it and it landed on a corner of a glass scale and entire back screen was in bits.... I still have a chipmark on the bezel at the back (tiny but still) but luckily I managed to get the back glass replaced by my insurance. What I'm worried about now is how it affects the water resistance but hopefully they would have done a decent job and put the back screen in properly...
Dropped mine today after a week of use. Was in my shirt pocket and fell on the concrete floor as I was bending down. There was no case on it. Only screen protectors. I was really nervous to check for any damage after reading through the plethora of negative reviews regarding cracks. To my surprise the phone did not suffer from any damage whatsoever. Was quite relieved. My case (Ringke fusion) is still on the way. Hope it arrives soon.
I placed my order from Sony's USA site this past Friday. I had the option to also purchase the 2 year warranty from Sony for an extra $79.99. I am very, very careful with my devices, so I normally don't purchase the extra protection. But this will be my first all glass phone, so I'm wondering if I should shell out the extra $80.
Weird thing is that Sony's website states that I have up until 365 days after my purchase to get the 2 yr warranty. So, does that mean I can wait until my phone breaks to get the warranty? How exactly does this work?
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I placed my order from Sony's USA site this past Friday. I had the option to also purchase the 2 year warranty from Sony for an extra $79.99. I am very, very careful with my devices, so I normally don't purchase the extra protection. But this will be my first all glass phone, so I'm wondering if I should shell out the extra $80.
Weird thing is that Sony's website states that I have up until 365 days after my purchase to get the 2 yr warranty. So, does that mean I can wait until my phone breaks to get the warranty? How exactly does this work?
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sorry that no-one replied Issemann.
Personally, the 2 year 'cover' sounds ok. It does significantly increase the cost of the phone though, surely?
Just make sure you've read what the warranty covers. If this is literally just an extended period (but otherwise standard) warranty, you're not covered for stuff like accidental damage / self-inflicted stuff.
I thought I'm careful with products but accidents can happen. Also, the phone is made of glass (predominantly i.e. both front and back are glass) and it's slippy in a way that I've not encountered with other phones (not that I've had many). You really must get a case for it.
Regarding your comment about phone breaking and then getting warranty. Technically, if the incident occurred and you weren't covered by the warranty, then you're not covered (I'd have thought - it's like taking out insurance after an accident occurred). But who's to know? Tbh, if you take out the warranty, then make a claim on it days / weeks later, it'll just look suspicious
You could just say you were blessed by foresight and took out the warranty at the right time
Everything I've said though is speculation, in that I've not looked at the cover you're talking about. However, I stand by that you need cover in place to be covered!
Anyway, this is an extract from the latest published Z3 compact warranty, language is UK (am taking this to imply it's the UK warranty ). The warranty listed here is two years, so either yours would be an extended cover or an extended period of warranty (I'd imagine). Finally, I say it's the z3 compact warranty, as this is the pdf produced when I browsed to the z3 compact and downloaded the warranty doc:
"Our warranty
Subject to the conditions of this Limited Warranty, Sony warrants this Product to be free
from defects in design, material and workmanship at the time of its original purchase by a
consumer. This Limited Warranty will last for a period of two (2) years as from the original
date of purchase of the Product for your mobile device, and for a period of one (1) year
following the original purchase date of the Product for all original accessories (such as the
battery, charger or handsfree kit) which may be delivered with your device.
What we will do
If, during the warranty period, this Product fails to operate under normal use and service, due
to defects in design, materials or workmanship, Sony authorised distributors or service
partners, in the country/region* where you purchased the Product, will, at their option, either
repair, replace or refund the purchase price of the Product in accordance with the terms and
conditions stipulated herein.
Sony and its service partners reserve the right to charge a handling fee if a returned Product
is found not to be under warranty according to the conditions below.
Please note that some of your personal settings, downloads and other information may be
lost when your Sony Product is repaired or replaced. At present, Sony may be prevented by
applicable law, other regulation or technical restrictions from making a backup copy of
certain downloads. Sony does not take any responsibility for any lost information of any kind
and will not reimburse you for any such loss. You should always make backup copies of all
the information stored on your Sony Product such as downloads, calendar and contacts
before handing in your Sony Product for repair or replacement."
"This warranty does not cover any failure of the Product that is due to:
• Normal wear and tear.
• Use in environments where relevant IP rating limitations, if applicable, are exceeded
(including liquid damage or the detection of liquid inside the device resulting from such
use).
• Misuse or failure to use in accordance with the Sony instructions for use and
maintenance of the Product.
Nor does this warranty cover any failure of the Product due to accident, software or
hardware modification or adjustment, or acts of God."
Source: http://www-support-downloads.sonymobile.com/common/warranty_phones_GB_24_2.pdf
Basically, under the standard warranty, you have to prove that there is a defect to avoid having to pay a repair bill.
Regards,
Gary
gazzawazza said:
sorry that no-one replied Issemann.
Personally, the 2 year 'cover' sounds ok. It does significantly increase the cost of the phone though, surely?
Just make sure you've read what the warranty covers. If this is literally just an extended period (but otherwise standard) warranty, you're not covered for stuff like accidental damage / self-inflicted stuff.
I thought I'm careful with products but accidents can happen. Also, the phone is made of glass (predominantly i.e. both front and back are glass) and it's slippy in a way that I've not encountered with other phones (not that I've had many). You really must get a case for it.
Regarding your comment about phone breaking and then getting warranty. Technically, if the incident occurred and you weren't covered by the warranty, then you're not covered (I'd have thought - it's like taking out insurance after an accident occurred). But who's to know? Tbh, if you take out the warranty, then make a claim on it days / weeks later, it'll just look suspicious
You could just say you were blessed by foresight and took out the warranty at the right time
Everything I've said though is speculation, in that I've not looked at the cover you're talking about. However, I stand by that you need cover in place to be covered!
Anyway, this is an extract from the latest published Z3 compact warranty, language is UK (am taking this to imply it's the UK warranty ). The warranty listed here is two years, so either yours would be an extended cover or an extended period of warranty (I'd imagine). Finally, I say it's the z3 compact warranty, as this is the pdf produced when I browsed to the z3 compact and downloaded the warranty doc:
"Our warranty
Subject to the conditions of this Limited Warranty, Sony warrants this Product to be free
from defects in design, material and workmanship at the time of its original purchase by a
consumer. This Limited Warranty will last for a period of two (2) years as from the original
date of purchase of the Product for your mobile device, and for a period of one (1) year
following the original purchase date of the Product for all original accessories (such as the
battery, charger or handsfree kit) which may be delivered with your device.
What we will do
If, during the warranty period, this Product fails to operate under normal use and service, due
to defects in design, materials or workmanship, Sony authorised distributors or service
partners, in the country/region* where you purchased the Product, will, at their option, either
repair, replace or refund the purchase price of the Product in accordance with the terms and
conditions stipulated herein.
Sony and its service partners reserve the right to charge a handling fee if a returned Product
is found not to be under warranty according to the conditions below.
Please note that some of your personal settings, downloads and other information may be
lost when your Sony Product is repaired or replaced. At present, Sony may be prevented by
applicable law, other regulation or technical restrictions from making a backup copy of
certain downloads. Sony does not take any responsibility for any lost information of any kind
and will not reimburse you for any such loss. You should always make backup copies of all
the information stored on your Sony Product such as downloads, calendar and contacts
before handing in your Sony Product for repair or replacement."
"This warranty does not cover any failure of the Product that is due to:
• Normal wear and tear.
• Use in environments where relevant IP rating limitations, if applicable, are exceeded
(including liquid damage or the detection of liquid inside the device resulting from such
use).
• Misuse or failure to use in accordance with the Sony instructions for use and
maintenance of the Product.
Nor does this warranty cover any failure of the Product due to accident, software or
hardware modification or adjustment, or acts of God."
Source: http://www-support-downloads.sonymobile.com/common/warranty_phones_GB_24_2.pdf
Basically, under the standard warranty, you have to prove that there is a defect to avoid having to pay a repair bill.
Regards,
Gary
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what you are referring to is the original manufacturer warranty...Sony provides an additional warranty option for $80. It is for 2 years and covers accidents in addition to defects (still covered under original warranty). It does not cover theft/loss. From what i read, they will repair it or replace the device 1 time during that period. If you send it for repairs the coverage continues, if they decide to replace it, the warranty becomes void. A good bargain for $80, breaks down to $3.33 a month with no deductible. Better than carrier insurance.
jdiddy_ub said:
what you are referring to is the original manufacturer warranty...Sony provides an additional warranty option for $80. It is for 2 years and covers accidents in addition to defects. It does not cover theft/loss. From what i read, they will repair/replace the device 1 time during that period. Once you use it, it becomes void. Still a good bargain for $80, breaks down to $3.33 a month with no deductible. Better than carrier insurance. The only "catch" is the theft/loss and only 1 claim allowed.
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Hi @jdiddy_ub
I know I was referring to the standard / original warranty - I wanted to be certain that what @Issemann was talking about was different / additional / beneficial
Very good point that $3.33 a month is good, although it being a single shot isn't so good.
I'm investigating whether I can get a similar deal over in the UK. Unfortunately I didn't buy directly from Sony, so might not have this extension, if available at all, available to me.
I bought via my carrier - O2 - on an upgrade. They offer insurance but you have to take it within 28 days of purchase (and I'm outside that now).
There are price bands for the insurance. I don' t know which the z3 compact falls in but I will bet it won't be the cheapest one
However, you get accidental damage and accidental theft cover. You can also get accidental damage cover only.
I've skimmed the T&Cs and cover is upto £300. Am assuming this is per claim. Couldn't find any cap on numbers of claims you can make.
Assuming you have similar insurance packages via your carriers, it might be effectively not much more expensive to get insurance and have the 'more than one use' option?
Alternatively, take out the accidental damage warranty and look at 3rd party insurance, if that warranty gets 'used'.
Just be careful about insurance T&Cs (I know you read them but others might not be so vigilant). I've just, out of curiosity, checked out a UK insurer called gadget cover. Their monthly cover for the z3 compact is basically £7 p/m. You can pay annually too. Interesting 'penalties' though.
Excess will be £50 or £75 for z3 compact (damage / theft or loss, respectively), with an additional £25 on top, if claiming within first 3 months of cover.
Additionally, if you pay monthly, you have to pay the balance of the 12 month premium before any claim can be made (effectively increases the 'excess' hugely, if you make an early claim).
So you could effectively have to pay out £177 for a lost phone, including your initial payment, assuming the insurer honours the claim, if you claimed in the first month. Ouch.
I guess cheaper than buying a new phone though.
I do appreciate I've been rather UK-centric, but I just wanted to flag this kind of detail of UK users and to warn non-UK users of possible pitfalls with insurance (assuming mobile device insurers have similar policies - I'm fairly confident they would, particularly regarding mobile phone cover).
Regards,
Gary
gazzawazza said:
Hi @jdiddy_ub
I know I was referring to the standard / original warranty - I wanted to be certain that what @Issemann was talking about was different / additional / beneficial
Very good point that $3.33 a month is good, although it being a single shot isn't so good.
I'm investigating whether I can get a similar deal over in the UK. Unfortunately I didn't buy directly from Sony, so might not have this extension, if available at all, available to me.
I bought via my carrier - O2 - on an upgrade. They offer insurance but you have to take it within 28 days of purchase (and I'm outside that now).
There are price bands for the insurance. I don' t know which the z3 compact falls in but I will bet it won't be the cheapest one
However, you get accidental damage and accidental theft cover. You can also get accidental damage cover only.
I've skimmed the T&Cs and cover is upto £300. Am assuming this is per claim. Couldn't find any cap on numbers of claims you can make.
Assuming you have similar insurance packages via your carriers, it might be effectively not much more expensive to get insurance and have the 'more than one use' option?
Alternatively, take out the accidental damage warranty and look at 3rd party insurance, if that warranty gets 'used'.
Just be careful about insurance T&Cs (I know you read them but others might not be so vigilant). I've just, out of curiosity, checked out a UK insurer called gadget cover. Their monthly cover for the z3 compact is basically £7 p/m. You can pay annually too. Interesting 'penalties' though.
Excess will be £50 or £75 for z3 compact (damage / theft or loss, respectively), with an additional £25 on top, if claiming within first 3 months of cover.
Additionally, if you pay monthly, you have to pay the balance of the 12 month premium before any claim can be made (effectively increases the 'excess' hugely, if you make an early claim).
So you could effectively have to pay out £177 for a lost phone, including your initial payment, assuming the insurer honours the claim, if you claimed in the first month. Ouch.
I guess cheaper than buying a new phone though.
I do appreciate I've been rather UK-centric, but I just wanted to flag this kind of detail of UK users and to warn non-UK users of possible pitfalls with insurance (assuming mobile device insurers have similar policies - I'm fairly confident they would, particularly regarding mobile phone cover).
Regards,
Gary
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I edited my original post after re-reading the terms. The "one-shot" only applies to replacement. You can get the device repaired and continue to have coverage until the 2 years expires. I have been comparing the Sony $80 warranty vs. 3rd party companies and i still think that Sony comes out on top. The major difference is theft/loss coverage. If you are someone that has the tendency to lose things or have lost your phone in the past, then the Sony coverage won't cover you.
If we are talking about accident coverage, Sony comes out way on top if you talk about pricing. Take a 3rd party insurer for lets say $5/mo and add a $75 deductible to it...on month #3 you would be paying $90 and if you dropped it on say month #20 it comes out to $175..more than double Sony's price.
Also, Sony is a major brand whereas 3rd party insurance (based on google reviews-i've never had it) sounds like a 50-50 crap shoot, 1. to find a reputable company 2. turnaround times, and what they cover/don't cover...some reviews state they had to provide like 10 different proofs of purchase and the company tries to find a loophole out of it.
In my opinion, if you're lucky enough to be able to purchase the Sony warranty, that is the best deal.
jdiddy_ub said:
I edited my original post after re-reading the terms. The "one-shot" only applies to replacement. You can get the device repaired and continue to have coverage until the 2 years expires. I have been comparing the Sony $80 warranty vs. 3rd party companies and i still think that Sony comes out on top. The major difference is theft/loss coverage. If you are someone that has the tendency to lose things or have lost your phone in the past, then the Sony coverage won't cover you.
If we are talking about accident coverage, Sony comes out way on top if you talk about pricing. Take a 3rd party insurer for lets say $5/mo and add a $75 deductible to it...on month #3 you would be paying $90 and if you dropped it on say month #20 it comes out to $175..more than double Sony's price.
Also, Sony is a major brand whereas 3rd party insurance (based on google reviews-i've never had it) sounds like a 50-50 crap shoot, 1. to find a reputable company 2. turnaround times, and what they cover/don't cover...some reviews state they had to provide like 10 different proofs of purchase and the company tries to find a loophole out of it.
In my opinion, if you're lucky enough to be able to purchase the Sony warranty, that is the best deal.
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Yep... sounds like the best deal tbh.
I can't find any option regarding warranties on the Sony Mobile website
Have had a look in the Sony online store, tried accessories, etc, to no avail.
Suspect it must get offered after you've made a direct purchase?
Did have a quick browse via my carrier too but couldn't find anything pertinent.
Regards,
Gary
As the title says i have done extensive research into the paperwork provided with my z2 and even emailed sony's service support and have gotten back a positive response/email which i will show to them if they ever refuse to cover my device under warrenty
I will attach a screenshot of the email theyve sent ,as long as the flaps are closed properly and the device is within and does not exceed ip rating limits they are legally required to replace or repair your z2
Id like your guys opinions and expiriences ,have they ever denied you replacement/repair under warrenty due to water damage ?
By the way i live in ireland , so the tech support and general suport from sony tends to be pretty god here
Their international warrenty does not cover water damage, Region spesific or who you purchased it from may be different
vchircu said:
By the way i live in ireland , so the tech support and general suport from sony tends to be pretty god here
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Do you have your's Z2 from a network or unlocked version? Cause I'm in Ireland and I got Z2 on Vodafone Bill Pay, so it would be nice if the water damage warrenty applied to me.
damian01211 said:
Do you have your's Z2 from a network or unlocked version? Cause I'm in Ireland and I got Z2 on Vodafone Bill Pay, so it would be nice if the water damage warrenty applied to me.
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Actually got mine from meteor bill pay but it should apply to you aswell I think as it was the Sony service center I contacted so you should be covered aswell no matter the network
I actually tested my handset out in some water yesterday, left if for about a minute submerged in the sink with all the flaps closed and it's completely fine
There u have it folks!
I'm SPEECHLESS!!!! Walked in to a NYC Samsung repair center today, with a cracked glass on my back panel.
No -- I understand that I've voided the warranty by tripping knox, but to refuse a to-be-paid, out-of-warranty glass replacement because I have my phone rooted and their "hardware tests are failing" and that's the Samsung policy?????
Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
Lexee said:
There u have it folks!
I'm SPEECHLESS!!!! Walked in to a NYC Samsung repair center today, with a cracked glass on my back panel.
No -- I understand that I've voided the warranty by tripping knox, but to refuse a to-be-paid, out-of-warranty glass replacement because I have my phone rooted and their "hardware tests are failing" and that's the Samsung policy?????
Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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Wow - really? That sounds like someone has misinterpreted the policy. It's an out of warranty job that should be reasonably charged and that's that - what has knox got to do with anything? Even if the Knox flag wasn't tripped it would still be an out of warranty job. I'd complain to the store manager and probably to Samsung's social media contacts as well because that just doesn't sound right.
Knox cannot affect any repair, paid or not. USA has a law same as the EU about having the right to modify your own phone.
dlotters said:
I'd complain to the store manager and probably to Samsung's social media contacts
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This came from the store manager -- and trust me, I made my best effort to get all the same points across. The exact wording was this: "as an Authorized Samsung Repair Center, we're obligated to perform a series of hardware tests before returning the phone to the customer. Our hardware tests started failing right away because you have a tripped KNOX counter, so we couldn't proceed with the repair. It's the Samsung policy". Period. I guess their test #1 is, if Knox counter is greater than 0, FAIL. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer and see if I can somehow claim that Samsung wrongfully exposes me to a health hazard (being cut by broken glass) by refusing the repair under a made-up pretext.
Lexee said:
This came from the store manager -- and trust me, I made my best effort to get all the same points across. The exact wording was this: "as an Authorized Samsung Repair Center, we're obligated to perform a series of hardware tests before returning the phone to the customer. Our hardware tests started failing right away because you have a tripped KNOX counter, so we couldn't proceed with the repair. It's the Samsung policy". Period. I guess their test #1 is, if Knox counter is greater than 0, FAIL. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer and see if I can somehow claim that Samsung wrongfully exposes me to a health hazard (being cut by broken glass) by refusing the repair under a made-up pretext.
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Sounds like the manager is an idiot tbh.
His explanation makes no sense whatsoever.
The whole Knox status voids warranty in the States is crap but even that is irrelevant.
I'd make a noise on their twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc and probably give their customer service line a call as well (assuming they have one there?) as this manager's stance just doesn't make any sense
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They are just covering their assess. It's failing a test they perform to make sure everything is in working order. So what happens when they repair the screen and something is not working properly, they will be on the hook to fix it. That being said I don't understand why they can't say if any other problems are there you will have to pay for the fix.
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Today I flashed stock recovery, stock kernel, stock ROM, did a factory reset and went back to the same center. I wanted to ask them to retry the same hardware tests again to see if maybe they succeed this time, with all software being stock. They obviously recognized me from the day before, checked the KNOX counter and just reiterated what I had suspected from the outset; that's it's not really about any "hardware test failing", but a straightforward policy. If KNOX is tripped, don't touch the phone for any reason. The manager said, "we have to guarantee any repair work for 90 days. If KNOX is tripped, we can't do that." They told me to try my luck with their main corporate office in Dallas. I guess I'll give it a shot.
Samsung REFUSES a Paid, Out-of-warranty Glass Replacement CITING TRIPPED KNOX...
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Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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Why would they change their policy if people just go out and buy a replacement ? They win, they now have two sales instead of one.
Seems redundant & contradictory being 'outraged' and then to open your wallet and give them more cash.
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Knox cannot affect any repair, paid or not. USA has a law same as the EU about having the right to modify your own phone.
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Not sure where your getting EU info from but it's incorrect. They still void your hardware warranty and can refuse repairs / service of any description in the EU if your Knox efuse has been tripped.
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I will have to find it. Modifying your phone is a legal right in the UK same as usa. If your modification is the cause of the issue they can charge but if unrelated they can't and the warranty remains.
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Why would they change their policy if people just go out and buy a replacement ? They win, they now have two sales instead of one.
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Nah, come on, I am sure the aim of this policy was not to squeeze the last penny out of their bottom line. it's a major international conglomerate! They sell millions of appliances in every country of the world! This policy literally came out of the mouth of some lazy bureaucrat in charge of handset service, who basically took a quick shortcut and called it a day instead of thinking through the many different possibilities! Hey, to me being out of a few hundred bucks is not the end of the world either. But it's just so WRONG on so many levels! It sends a BAD message about Android, and a BAD message about Samsung! This was not meant to be an Apple shop! I fell in love with this phone -- I switched from HTC One, and I EVEN switched from ATT to TMobile just so I can have unlocked bootloader and modify to my heart's content! And now they're gonna give me this nonsense about tripped KNOX when my issue is broken glass?? BAD, WRONG, STUPID policy! Gosh, I wish I could get this message to a higher level executive rather than customer service.
Anyway, I called the main Dallas headquarters, told them about tripped KNOX and my experience at the NYC center, and the rep told me to send it in to their main service center anyway and see what happens. He wouldn't say if tripped KNOX would be a deal breaker or not. He said generally tripped KNOX is a big deal, but they have more sophisticated equipment than the regional centers typically, they'll examine the phone, see "how" Knox was tripped and take it from there. Sending it in today and going to be without a phone for the next week or so. Hoping for common sense to prevail..
Common sense? Come on, you know that has no place in here...
Personally I have never understood how a software issue could be used to deny a warranty or repair claim on something like a shattered screen. I mean seriously, I now have root access, how did that make my screen crack? Now if my radio or something went wonky I could understand. But a broken screen???
May I suggest buying a replacement glass and making the fix yourself ? I did this myself 3 times on my Z3c and it's actually very easy to do.
This phone isn't really the Z3...
True, but the process should be the same. Heat it up with a hairdryer, remove and then install the new back cover which already has the adhesive on it.
You can watch a tutorial here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RD44M4J-Rk
And for replacement parts I used this website http://www.witrigs.com/replacements-for-samsung-galaxy-s6-edge
If you don't feel confident about doing this yourself you can go to any phone service and they will do it for you on the spot for a small charge of course.
Should not cost you more than 30$, I bet Samsung will charge a lot more (that is if they agree to repair it).
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And for replacement parts I used this website
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Wow! Unbelievable! Thank you so much for the reference! The phone feels so solidly built that I didn't even think of researching this because I thought messing with it by hand is totally out of the question! I have it currently shipped to Dallas service center, but if rejected, I will definitely try this! :good:
Update: phone was rejected by the Samsung main service center. "BER", "beyond economic repair". Pathetic.
I've ordered the replacement glass on ebay! Looking forward to making the repair myself! Thanks @kind3r!
*09/09/2015//19:18:50//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 6:13 PM-PBA Inspection: The unit has left the technician. SOLUTION: BER
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Device rooted/Knox warranty failure
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9/9/2015 7:41 AM-Jennifer Bastardo: Accessory: sim card tray
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9/9/2015 7:41 AM-Jennifer Bastardo: The unit has been received. Pack Condition: Fair Packaging (Box & Cushion)
Wth, Bastard..o
Good luck with the DIY repair, please let us know how it turns out.
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Yeah, figures ...
What I don't understand is why ... the warranty is void anyway and it will be void the next time you turn in your phone anyway.
Perhaps they don't want to assume responsibility for damages that their technicians may do during this repair.
Good luck with your repair, I suggest using some guitar picks so you don't risk scratching the frame.
Also be careful with the broken glass as it may shatter.
That's interesting. Cracked my screen, sent it in for repair and they fixed it even with a tripped Knox counter. But that service center is a douche for doing that. And it sucks that Samsung has one of the best hardware in many expects so sometimes just saying I'm done with Samsung just may not seem like an options if you want top of the line android.
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Hey guys! My baby looks brand new again! Check out a pic! (I put the broken glass in the packaging in which the replacement arrived).
Ended up paying $17 for the glass on ebay and repairing myself. Come to think of it, having rooted my phone I walked away with a much better deal! lol Thanks again to all who stepped forward with advice!
i dropped my beloved s8 . the front glass has smashed it is rooted and now i am going to have to try and get it fixed with the insurance which covers accidental damage. has anyone successfully got a phone fixed by vodafone uk after root? i know rooting voids warranty but this is not warranty it is after sales insurance and screen damage has nothing to do with root.
any advice?
there is no mention of root in the terms and conditions for my insurance so i think i should be ok https://www.vodafone.co.uk/terms-an...itions/vodafone-accidental-damage/index.htm#1
the only part that refers to modification in any way is this
If your mobile device has been modified in any way we will only
replace the mobile device, we do not cover the modifications that
have been made.
Modifications are anything that changes the way your mobile device
looks or operates from the original specifications. This includes things
like adding gems, precious metals or making software changes such as
unlocking your mobile device from a network
so sounds like i may be in luck. fingers crossed. i will visit the vodafone shop tomorrow and see how things go.
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i dropped my beloved s8 . the front glass has smashed it is rooted and now i am going to have to try and get it fixed with the insurance which covers accidental damage. has anyone successfully got a phone fixed by vodafone uk after root? i know rooting voids warranty but this is not warranty it is after sales insurance and screen damage has nothing to do with root.
any advice?
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Rooting doesn't void warranty in UK.
vladimir_carlan said:
Rooting doesn't void warranty in UK.
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really? everything i have read says it does. but if that is the case then my mind rests alot more easy lol
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really? everything i have read says it does. but if that is the case then my mind rests alot more easy lol
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They can huff and puff at first but UK is still EU member so they need to comply with EU directive. And I told you that from my own experience. Well not really a warranty issue. But last year I returned an Galaxy S7 to Carphone Warehouse under their "14 days change your mind policy". That S7 still had Omega rom installed. Didn't bothered to return to stock.
Your phone has a Hardware issue, so you shouldn't worry about being rooted.
Rooting doesn't void warranty in the us either, despite what the carriers say.
They can huff and puff all they want, but it's illegal in the us to refuse to honor a warranty repair caused by something unrelated to customization of a device. Turns out all they have to do is say they won't honor it and most people won't even try.
I'm pretty sure rooting can't smash your screen, so you're in the clear ?
phone was returned to vodafone today. they say i should have it back in one week and gave me a ****ty vodafone smart ultra 7 to use as a courtesy phone......going back to a terrible carrier branded android phone really has made me see just how lovely the s8 is......i want my baby back :'(
I am very happy to say they fixed my phone with no complaint about it being rooted. they repaced the front glass, the back glass, the lcd and the side casing. its now as good as new and i am very happy to have my s8 back!