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Rooting/Custom Rom don't void warranty!

Well, I recently sent my phone back to Carphone Warehouse because of a hardware fault. They told me they would repair it for free because it was still under warranty. I was worried that they would realise it was rooted and send it back but the sales rep told me rooting didn't matter
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6431517/Untitled.jpg - Warranty Card
The warranty card (above) shows that the warranty is only voided if:
3.1. Serial is defaced
3.2. Warranty document altered
3.3. No proof of purchase
Clause 2.3 does state that the warranty does not cover damage resulting from alterations or modifications. However this should mean changing the software should not make a difference. Moreover that the warranty is still valid and NOT voided.
EDIT: I meant to type "won't" in the title, not "don't"

hyperdude111 said:
Well, I recently sent my phone back to Carphone Warehouse because of a hardware fault. They told me they would repair it for free because it was still under warranty. I was worried that they would realise it was rooted and send it back but the sales rep told me rooting didn't matter
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6431517/Untitled.jpg - Warranty Card
The warranty card (above) shows that the warranty is only voided if:
3.1. Serial is defaced
3.2. Warranty document altered
3.3. No proof of purchase
Clause 2.3 does state that the warranty does not cover damage resulting from alterations or modifications. However this should mean changing the software should not make a difference. Moreover that the warranty is still valid and NOT voided.
EDIT: I meant to type "won't" in the title, not "don't"
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What about overclocking?

I think, changing the software should not void warranty

Is this the same for the whole world? I recently bought the u8800 from Ibood in belgium (every day a new offer). I'm thinking about rooting it, but don't want to lose my 2 year warranty...

SiM0Th said:
Is this the same for the whole world? I recently bought the u8800 from Ibood in belgium (every day a new offer). I'm thinking about rooting it, but don't want to lose my 2 year warranty...
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I bought mine from Ibood belgium too, and I rooted, so it's too late for me.
But, you can do a complete restore, so there's no track of rooting.

I rooted my htc desire and I had to send it back so all I did was put the stock rom back on and they replaced it

bealhorm said:
I bought mine from Ibood belgium too, and I rooted, so it's too late for me.
But, you can do a complete restore, so there's no track of rooting.
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me 2 ( the ibood thing ),
the only problem here is, if it's a hardware failure there is a big change you won't be able to restore it =) ( but also thinking about rooting the device )

warranty is for hardware so they don't give a **** about what soft is inside.
All services just need the reason why it's broke, that's it. If phone was killed because of soft -then yes they won't apply warranty, otherwise - you will always will win any court if service won't repair -because you have right to install in your device whatever **** you want
Only ****ing apple is stupid, but they always loses courts so even unlocking, jailbreaking is legal and only god damn apple want's to control people what they can do and what they can not

Tommixoft said:
warranty is for hardware so they don't give a **** about what soft is inside.
All services just need the reason why it's broke, that's it. If phone was killed because of soft -then yes they won't apply warranty, otherwise - you will always will win any court if service won't repair -because you have right to install in your device whatever **** you want
Only ****ing apple is stupid, but they always loses courts so even unlocking, jailbreaking is legal and only god damn apple want's to control people what they can do and what they can not
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where did you bought your phone?
i actually doubt this case would apply if buying a phone from Tele2.
Just curious, what happened to the phone?

is it just me can read?
"the warranty does not cover damage result from:
3)..... alteration, modifications.....
5).... installation....."

darkweather said:
is it just me can read?
"the warranty does not cover damage result from:
3)..... alteration, modifications.....
5).... installation....."
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Your point is wrong, it doesn't cover damage RESULTING FROM which means that if rooting is not the cause of the problem then it doesn't matter (As I stated in my first post). I also said the warranty is "not voided" aka the warranty "can never be used again". That clause said it won't cover damage resulting from....but it will therefore still cover damage NOT resulting from...therefore not voided.

[Q] Warranty voided but sent for repairs

Hi I never dropped my galaxy s4 but it was on my bed on the blanket and didn't know it was there flipped the blanket and it fell on its corner onto the floor, and the screens pixels were busted it wouldn't display image but everything was fine. had the phone for 2 weeks brother went in and got it replaced and there sending it in for repairs, but what they don't know is that the phone is rooted so warranty is voided? Will they end up calling me back when they get to fixing it and rebooting it... and charge me a fee even though I ahve a brand new galaxy s4?

From what I was told last week when I inquired about my cracks unsuccessfully was that they will send the phone in for repairs and inspect it separately. If they find anything that breaks the terms with AT&T (physical cracks after 2 weeks, or anything else), they have the "right" to charge you the price of a new phone (even though you may get a refurb). Also, it makes their location look bad for taking in a ineligible phone. Heck, the place that referred me to the AT&T warranty location wanted the name of the rep that referred me to them "to keep on record". I took it more as "to school them to do a better job at identifying problems".
In this case, it potentially might, as they can't simply just do a factory reset, repair the phone, and sell it back as a refurb. They would need to go all out to restore everything back to normal.
My opinion, be ready for a $600+ bill, or a call saying, "yeah, we can't cover it anymore". Sucks, but I wouldn't doubt AT&T does that.

alex6speed said:
From what I was told last week when I inquired about my cracks unsuccessfully was that they will send the phone in for repairs and inspect it separately. If they find anything that breaks the terms with AT&T (physical cracks after 2 weeks, or anything else), they have the "right" to charge you the price of a new phone (even though you may get a refurb). Also, it makes their location look bad for taking in a ineligible phone. Heck, the place that referred me to the AT&T warranty location wanted the name of the rep that referred me to them "to keep on record". I took it more as "to school them to do a better job at identifying problems".
In this case, it potentially might, as they can't simply just do a factory reset, repair the phone, and sell it back as a refurb. They would need to go all out to restore everything back to normal.
My opinion, be ready for a $600+ bill, or a call saying, "yeah, we can't cover it anymore". Sucks, but I wouldn't doubt AT&T does that.
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Do you think it will happen to me im from canada and my phone company is bell mobility

unf0cus said:
Do you think it will happen to me im from canada and my phone company is bell mobility
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No idea ... hopefully they're a bit more forgiving.

alex6speed said:
No idea ... hopefully they're a bit more forgiving.
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Hey man I think I got an idea though
what if they call me about it the fee and I just say I never knew this would void the warranty and stuff and I didn't even know about warranty till my family told me, just like bs my way through it, tell them i got a friend to root my phone and stuff.
Then if that doesn't work just try and bargain with them or something, saying can I just pay the repair fee and trade back for my old phone(not rooting this phone yet...) and stuff?
You think any of these idea's will give me a shot

rooting does not void hardware warranty..how many times do we need to go over this.. they need to prove that rooting has anything at all to do with a hardware failure.
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lgkahn said:
rooting does not void hardware warranty..how many times do we need to go over this.. they need to prove that rooting has anything at all to do with a hardware failure.
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Is this true, I mean, I thought just rooting voids warranty because NOT just cause a hardware failure can happen, but because its just modifying the phone in a way you aren't suppose to or something like that. Every time I see something about rooting everyone mentions it voids warranty,
now to my main point on this though, I came across something from bell, and just want to clarify with your guys opinions.
Here's the link http://support.bell.ca/Mobility/Rep...rs_warranty_for_my_Bell_Mobility_device_cover
It says around in the middle that:
The manufacturer's limited warranty does not cover defects or damage caused
improper storage
damage from liquids
unauthorized modification
misuse
neglect
abuse
accidents
alteration
improper installation
abnormal operating conditions
events outside of human control, such as natural disasters, for which no one can be held responsible.
The key word here is caused
Now lets say my phone screen stopped working due to rooting and doing something you can with rooting the phone, warranty is voided.
Now lets say this for what really happened in my situation. My phone is rooted, but the screen is not damaged because of the root, it is damaged because I dropped it -- but they don't know that I just told them it was a defect that the battery screwed up the screen.
So technically I never voided warranty?! Thoughts?

You should be fine. Warranty should not be void from rooting, unless they can prove that rooting your phone caused the damage! US carriers really don't check anyway.
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Okay well I'm restoring my new phone back to how my previous phone was I backed it up using twrp onto my sd card,
so I custom recovered my new phone with twrp, and tried restoring it and it failed, then I remembered that I screwed up my phones lcd density so I installed another stock firmware using odin, then worked from there and installed a custom kernel then just before I damaged the phone I backed it up using twrp onto my sd card previously stated here.

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Samsung REFUSES a Paid, Out-of-warranty Glass Replacement CITING TRIPPED KNOX!!!!!

There u have it folks!
I'm SPEECHLESS!!!! Walked in to a NYC Samsung repair center today, with a cracked glass on my back panel.
No -- I understand that I've voided the warranty by tripping knox, but to refuse a to-be-paid, out-of-warranty glass replacement because I have my phone rooted and their "hardware tests are failing" and that's the Samsung policy?????
Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!

Lexee said:
There u have it folks!
I'm SPEECHLESS!!!! Walked in to a NYC Samsung repair center today, with a cracked glass on my back panel.
No -- I understand that I've voided the warranty by tripping knox, but to refuse a to-be-paid, out-of-warranty glass replacement because I have my phone rooted and their "hardware tests are failing" and that's the Samsung policy?????
Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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Wow - really? That sounds like someone has misinterpreted the policy. It's an out of warranty job that should be reasonably charged and that's that - what has knox got to do with anything? Even if the Knox flag wasn't tripped it would still be an out of warranty job. I'd complain to the store manager and probably to Samsung's social media contacts as well because that just doesn't sound right.

Knox cannot affect any repair, paid or not. USA has a law same as the EU about having the right to modify your own phone.

dlotters said:
I'd complain to the store manager and probably to Samsung's social media contacts
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This came from the store manager -- and trust me, I made my best effort to get all the same points across. The exact wording was this: "as an Authorized Samsung Repair Center, we're obligated to perform a series of hardware tests before returning the phone to the customer. Our hardware tests started failing right away because you have a tripped KNOX counter, so we couldn't proceed with the repair. It's the Samsung policy". Period. I guess their test #1 is, if Knox counter is greater than 0, FAIL. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer and see if I can somehow claim that Samsung wrongfully exposes me to a health hazard (being cut by broken glass) by refusing the repair under a made-up pretext.

Lexee said:
This came from the store manager -- and trust me, I made my best effort to get all the same points across. The exact wording was this: "as an Authorized Samsung Repair Center, we're obligated to perform a series of hardware tests before returning the phone to the customer. Our hardware tests started failing right away because you have a tripped KNOX counter, so we couldn't proceed with the repair. It's the Samsung policy". Period. I guess their test #1 is, if Knox counter is greater than 0, FAIL. Maybe I should talk to a lawyer and see if I can somehow claim that Samsung wrongfully exposes me to a health hazard (being cut by broken glass) by refusing the repair under a made-up pretext.
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Sounds like the manager is an idiot tbh.
His explanation makes no sense whatsoever.
The whole Knox status voids warranty in the States is crap but even that is irrelevant.
I'd make a noise on their twitter, Instagram, Facebook, etc and probably give their customer service line a call as well (assuming they have one there?) as this manager's stance just doesn't make any sense
Sent from my Galaxy S6 Edge

They are just covering their assess. It's failing a test they perform to make sure everything is in working order. So what happens when they repair the screen and something is not working properly, they will be on the hook to fix it. That being said I don't understand why they can't say if any other problems are there you will have to pay for the fix.
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Today I flashed stock recovery, stock kernel, stock ROM, did a factory reset and went back to the same center. I wanted to ask them to retry the same hardware tests again to see if maybe they succeed this time, with all software being stock. They obviously recognized me from the day before, checked the KNOX counter and just reiterated what I had suspected from the outset; that's it's not really about any "hardware test failing", but a straightforward policy. If KNOX is tripped, don't touch the phone for any reason. The manager said, "we have to guarantee any repair work for 90 days. If KNOX is tripped, we can't do that." They told me to try my luck with their main corporate office in Dallas. I guess I'll give it a shot.

Samsung REFUSES a Paid, Out-of-warranty Glass Replacement CITING TRIPPED KNOX...
Lexee said:
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Beyond outrageous.
F U SAMSUNG!
I will still stick to you for now because it's the best handset and I'll probably just buy a replacement but -- F U!!! big time!
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Why would they change their policy if people just go out and buy a replacement ? They win, they now have two sales instead of one.
Seems redundant & contradictory being 'outraged' and then to open your wallet and give them more cash.
lynxblaine said:
Knox cannot affect any repair, paid or not. USA has a law same as the EU about having the right to modify your own phone.
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Not sure where your getting EU info from but it's incorrect. They still void your hardware warranty and can refuse repairs / service of any description in the EU if your Knox efuse has been tripped.
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I will have to find it. Modifying your phone is a legal right in the UK same as usa. If your modification is the cause of the issue they can charge but if unrelated they can't and the warranty remains.

nookcoloruser said:
Why would they change their policy if people just go out and buy a replacement ? They win, they now have two sales instead of one.
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Nah, come on, I am sure the aim of this policy was not to squeeze the last penny out of their bottom line. it's a major international conglomerate! They sell millions of appliances in every country of the world! This policy literally came out of the mouth of some lazy bureaucrat in charge of handset service, who basically took a quick shortcut and called it a day instead of thinking through the many different possibilities! Hey, to me being out of a few hundred bucks is not the end of the world either. But it's just so WRONG on so many levels! It sends a BAD message about Android, and a BAD message about Samsung! This was not meant to be an Apple shop! I fell in love with this phone -- I switched from HTC One, and I EVEN switched from ATT to TMobile just so I can have unlocked bootloader and modify to my heart's content! And now they're gonna give me this nonsense about tripped KNOX when my issue is broken glass?? BAD, WRONG, STUPID policy! Gosh, I wish I could get this message to a higher level executive rather than customer service.
Anyway, I called the main Dallas headquarters, told them about tripped KNOX and my experience at the NYC center, and the rep told me to send it in to their main service center anyway and see what happens. He wouldn't say if tripped KNOX would be a deal breaker or not. He said generally tripped KNOX is a big deal, but they have more sophisticated equipment than the regional centers typically, they'll examine the phone, see "how" Knox was tripped and take it from there. Sending it in today and going to be without a phone for the next week or so. Hoping for common sense to prevail..

Common sense? Come on, you know that has no place in here...
Personally I have never understood how a software issue could be used to deny a warranty or repair claim on something like a shattered screen. I mean seriously, I now have root access, how did that make my screen crack? Now if my radio or something went wonky I could understand. But a broken screen???

May I suggest buying a replacement glass and making the fix yourself ? I did this myself 3 times on my Z3c and it's actually very easy to do.

This phone isn't really the Z3...

True, but the process should be the same. Heat it up with a hairdryer, remove and then install the new back cover which already has the adhesive on it.
You can watch a tutorial here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RD44M4J-Rk
And for replacement parts I used this website http://www.witrigs.com/replacements-for-samsung-galaxy-s6-edge
If you don't feel confident about doing this yourself you can go to any phone service and they will do it for you on the spot for a small charge of course.
Should not cost you more than 30$, I bet Samsung will charge a lot more (that is if they agree to repair it).

kind3r said:
And for replacement parts I used this website
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Wow! Unbelievable! Thank you so much for the reference! The phone feels so solidly built that I didn't even think of researching this because I thought messing with it by hand is totally out of the question! I have it currently shipped to Dallas service center, but if rejected, I will definitely try this! :good:

Update: phone was rejected by the Samsung main service center. "BER", "beyond economic repair". Pathetic.
I've ordered the replacement glass on ebay! Looking forward to making the repair myself! Thanks @kind3r!
*09/09/2015//19:18:50//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 6:13 PM-PBA Inspection: The unit has left the technician. SOLUTION: BER
*09/09/2015//19:18:49//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
Device rooted/Knox warranty failure
*09/09/2015//08:47:15//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 7:41 AM-Jennifer Bastardo: Accessory: sim card tray
*09/09/2015//08:47:14//0001773863//Telephone//ASC*
9/9/2015 7:41 AM-Jennifer Bastardo: The unit has been received. Pack Condition: Fair Packaging (Box & Cushion)

Wth, Bastard..o
Good luck with the DIY repair, please let us know how it turns out.
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Yeah, figures ...
What I don't understand is why ... the warranty is void anyway and it will be void the next time you turn in your phone anyway.
Perhaps they don't want to assume responsibility for damages that their technicians may do during this repair.
Good luck with your repair, I suggest using some guitar picks so you don't risk scratching the frame.
Also be careful with the broken glass as it may shatter.

That's interesting. Cracked my screen, sent it in for repair and they fixed it even with a tripped Knox counter. But that service center is a douche for doing that. And it sucks that Samsung has one of the best hardware in many expects so sometimes just saying I'm done with Samsung just may not seem like an options if you want top of the line android.
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Hey guys! My baby looks brand new again! Check out a pic! (I put the broken glass in the packaging in which the replacement arrived).
Ended up paying $17 for the glass on ebay and repairing myself. Come to think of it, having rooted my phone I walked away with a much better deal! lol Thanks again to all who stepped forward with advice!

Rooting and Warranty

Hey guys, I'm in Europe and I have a question.
Back at the end of January, my phone started having a bright horizontal line that would run from top to bottom of the screen. And this would come and go. After a couple weeks, I realized that vibration (whether from the phone itself or the surface it was on) as well as applying pressure to the top right side of the screen or face would cause this to come and go. I even figured out I could shake it and have this happen. So something was loose. I chatted with samsung germany, and even after explaining this to them, they still had me factory reset the phone, which I did. That didn't work, so they wanted me to send it in. It took me a couple weeks to find a replacement phone, but I did and I sent my S7 Edge to Samsungs service center two Fridays ago.
They just sent me an e-mail telling me that it isn't covered by warranty because this was caused by rooting the phone. This is clearly a hardware issue. Furthermore, I thought in Europe it didn't matter if you rooted your phone. I've only ever had to send in my LG G4 for warranty, and they had no problem with it being rooted. What gives? What are my rights?
I feel like deciding never to buy a Samsung product again, and I'm in the market for a new tablet. So on a related note, any better tablets out there?

shiboby said:
Hey guys, I'm in Europe and I have a question.
Back at the end of January, my phone started having a bright horizontal line that would run from top to bottom of the screen. And this would come and go. After a couple weeks, I realized that vibration (whether from the phone itself or the surface it was on) as well as applying pressure to the top right side of the screen or face would cause this to come and go. I even figured out I could shake it and have this happen. So something was loose. I chatted with samsung germany, and even after explaining this to them, they still had me factory reset the phone, which I did. That didn't work, so they wanted me to send it in. It took me a couple weeks to find a replacement phone, but I did and I sent my S7 Edge to Samsungs service center two Fridays ago.
They just sent me an e-mail telling me that it isn't covered by warranty because this was caused by rooting the phone. This is clearly a hardware issue. Furthermore, I thought in Europe it didn't matter if you rooted your phone. I've only ever had to send in my LG G4 for warranty, and they had no problem with it being rooted. What gives? What are my rights?
I feel like deciding never to buy a Samsung product again, and I'm in the market for a new tablet. So on a related note, any better tablets out there?
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Rooting a Samsung phone has always voided the warranty. Some countries strictly enforce this other do not.
If it was a motherboard problem, the service centre would not have noticed the rooting flag and replaced the hardware with no questions asked. But since your problem involved the screen not the motherboard, service centres have the option of enforcing the warranty at their discretion.
You can either ask for the phone back and use it as is or pay for the repair.

Any rooted phone voids any warranty the manufacturer carries.
When you root your phone, you get these messages that pop up telling you that if you continue, you will probably void your warranty.
They put those warnings there to let you know before you start.
I know my replies can be long, but would rather give too much info, than not enough.

In Europe, your statutory warranty cannot be refused just because of the phone being rooted. That warranty, however, is with the business that sold you the phone, not with Samsung directly. Maybe try and go back to the seller (though you may have to argue your case to make them comply with their legal obligations!).

I'm from Portugal.
My phone is rooted I had to send it to service for repair and had zero problems.

gcogger said:
In Europe, your statutory warranty cannot be refused just because of the phone being rooted. That warranty, however, is with the business that sold you the phone, not with Samsung directly. Maybe try and go back to the seller (though you may have to argue your case to make them comply with their legal obligations!).
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so I would have to deal with Amazon Germany? That is a freightening thought, since they just had so many mess ups at the end of last summer that I actually cancelled my membership.
Do you have any law or other thing I could point to that would show them they have to replace the phone?

S7 Edge is pregnant (uk rooted warrenty Q)

As you can see in the pic my Edge's battery is wanting to make a break for it.
The phone is just inside the 2-year warranty apart from it has had many roms flashed and rooted etc, if I return it to stock do you think there will be a problem getting it repaired under warranty at a service centre in the uk?
I mean its clearly a hardware problem, rooting doesn't do that and I would have thought with all the bad battery press they would sort it for me before it burns my house down.

European Union laws mandate that manufacturers prove that you tinkering with the device (rooting etc) caused the defect. In this case that clearly is not possible. So yes, I think you should just flash it back to stock and take it back and see what they say.

Happened the same thing to myself, warranty didn't covered it

JohnTrabusca said:
Happened the same thing to myself, warranty didn't covered it
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What do you mean the Samsung warranty doesn't cover ballooning batteries?!

BigsyBiggins said:
What do you mean the Samsung warranty doesn't cover ballooning batteries?!
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Yes correct, just because I'd a rooted device, they told me that it could have pushed the voltages more than the normal ones and it could be because of that, a complete joke those guys