Can NE3 be flashed over NF4? - Galaxy Note 3 Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I flashed the stock UK NF4 rom and then tried flashing the Australian NE3 rom over it but it won't go past the Samsung logo after flashing it.

Nope
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My understanding was that you could flash and kk over each other but not downgrade to jellybean.

uf21 said:
My understanding was that you could flash and kk over each other but not downgrade to jellybean.
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NF can't be downgraded to NE. AFAIK.
Once the letter upgraded u can't gi back to previous letter series. It will be considered downgraded.
The bootloader is different, and it is the ome which lock the downgrading process.

antique_sonic said:
NF can't be downgraded to NE. AFAIK.
Once the letter upgraded u can't gi back to previous letter series. It will be considered downgraded.
The bootloader is different, and it is the ome which lock the downgrading process.
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When did Samsung start doing this? When I had my s3 I was able to downgrade to any version but now I can't even downgrade at all. This is really frustrating. Now I'm stuck on a firmware that cripples my GPS.

uf21 said:
When did Samsung start doing this? When I had my s3 I was able to downgrade to any version but now I can't even downgrade at all. This is really frustrating. Now I'm stuck on a firmware that cripples my GPS.
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With the introduction of JB.
You shouls really research these things beforehand. Mainly because it's mentioned i n pretty much every flash thread.
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uf21 said:
When did Samsung start doing this? When I had my s3 I was able to downgrade to any version but now I can't even downgrade at all. This is really frustrating. Now I'm stuck on a firmware that cripples my GPS.
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samsung started this stuff when they started to use KNOX.
They agressively update the bootloader for any patches useful to protect their system evironment. Therefore, in KK, AFAIK, any changes of the firmware letter, means new bootloader.
what most of users do normally (if they have a rooted device), is just flash a newer custom ROM, and stay with their old bootloader (KK). By doing this way, you still can jump any older custom ROM base without any problem.
But once you flash a new original firmware, it will flash the new bootloader as well. And it is non-downgradable.
cheers.

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[Q] ODIN flashing older rom.

Hey guys so i have heard that if i install the old firmware for my s4 from sammobile using Odin one from early 2013 that it will give me access to service menu so that i can unlock my phone. So my question is that is it 100% safe to Odin flash the older 4.2.2 rom when i am on 4.3? Can i flash it unlock my phone then upgrade my phone to a custom rom again? Thank you
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Do not do this. This will brick your phone. If I am not mistaken, there is a method to unlock mk2 in the general section.
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zee24 said:
Hey guys so i have heard that if i install the old firmware for my s4 from sammobile using Odin one from early 2013 that it will give me access to service menu so that i can unlock my phone. So my question is that is it 100% safe to Odin flash the older 4.2.2 rom when i am on 4.3? Can i flash it unlock my phone then upgrade my phone to a custom rom again? Thank you
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You should ask this in the t mobile s4 forum. I believe your bootloader is unlocked and you can flash an older firmware version. But check there first. This is the att s4 forum. It can't be done on the at&t s4.
Is the service menu missing on the stock T-mo 4.3 ?
Nooo guys i have an unlocked bootloader i have the s4 that is very similar to the tmobile and it's the same as the Canadian versions. And yes the Canadian version which is 1337m and mine which is m919v don't have access to service menus but i have flashed a lot of custom roms simply by philz recovery so doesn't that mean i have an unlocked bootloader?
zee24 said:
Nooo guys i have an unlocked bootloader i have the s4 that is very similar to the tmobile and it's the same as the Canadian versions. And yes the Canadian version which is 1337m and mine which is m919v don't have access to service menus but i have flashed a lot of custom roms simply by philz recovery so doesn't that mean i have an unlocked bootloader?
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If you're on 4.3 I believe you also have Knox, in which case I don't think you'll be able to go back to 4.2.2. Read through this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40903040
jd1639 said:
If you're on 4.3 I believe you also have Knox, in which case I don't think you'll be able to go back to 4.2.2. Read through this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=40903040
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I'm actually running a custom rom i shouldve mentioned im on phoenix rom. So i don't have knox at the moment. Does that matter?
zee24 said:
I'm actually running a custom rom i shouldve mentioned im on phoenix rom. So i don't have knox at the moment. Does that matter?
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Did you ever take the ota to 4.3? Do you know what firmware your device is on? A 4.3 custom Rom wouldn't have knox but if you took the official update to 4.3 you would have Knox.
jd1639 said:
Did you ever take the ota to 4.3? Do you know what firmware your device is on? A 4.3 custom Rom wouldn't have knox but if you took the official update to 4.3 you would have Knox.
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Hmm i think then yes i might have knox. I think at one point i might have been on stock 4.3 is there any way that i can check to see if i have knox? And if i have knox i cant flash an older stock firmware for my s4?
zee24 said:
Hmm i think then yes i might have knox. I think at one point i might have been on stock 4.3 is there any way that i can check to see if i have knox? And if i have knox i cant flash an older stock firmware for my s4?
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Idk, I'm not that familiar with your device. From the little bit of reading I've done I would say no, you can't flash an older firmware. But again, I'd post this question in the t mobile forum. They'd be more familiar with your device.
zee24 said:
Hmm i think then yes i might have knox. I think at one point i might have been on stock 4.3 is there any way that i can check to see if i have knox? And if i have knox i cant flash an older stock firmware for my s4?
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Did you ever update you device with kies or ever take an over the air update ? It's fine if you were on a stock based 4.3 rom as long as you never took an official update. If so then you can't go back. Just flashing a stock 4.3 rom won't change that status but the 4.3 bootloader would.
You would have know by checking in settings under SE
hednik said:
Did you ever update you device with kies or ever take an over the air update ? It's fine if you were on a stock based 4.3 rom as long as you never took an official update. If so then you can't go back. Just flashing a stock 4.3 rom won't change that status but the 4.3 bootloader would. You would have know by checking in settings under SE
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I remember i soft bricked my phone one time and had to flash my firmware but the 4.3 latest one from sammobile and after i did that i got knox but i believe i already tripped the knox counter because in download mode it says 0x1 so i guess i cant?

[Q] Downgrade from 4.4.2 to 4.3

How can i do this? Note 3 stock. With Odin is always "failed".. It it Knox? Thanks
You can't do it mate.... You.... And me... And a few others are now stuck on kitkat
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miglio1990 said:
How can i do this? Note 3 stock. With Odin is always "failed".. It it Knox? Thanks
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You really need to read a lot more before you start messing around flashing things on your device. It's ALL around this forum about not being able to downgrade.
alom5 said:
You can't do it mate.... You.... And me... And a few others are now stuck on kitkat
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Well I knew what I was getting myself into, flashed it pretty much a few mins after it leaked lol
Samsung build some protection so you can't downgrade, for how long that's another story. Anything software can be broken, it's just the matter of effort, keep your eyes open, maybe somebody will find way.
radicalisto said:
You really need to read a lot more before you start messing around flashing things on your device. It's ALL around this forum about not being able to downgrade.
Well I knew what I was getting myself into, flashed it pretty much a few mins after it leaked lol
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If i had asked, it means i haven't found anything!!
Anyway, thanks to all
miglio1990 said:
If i had asked, it means i haven't found anything!!
Anyway, thanks to all
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All due respect, it is everywhere, search feature or read first 5 threads or so - At least you got 100% answer though. :good:
radicalisto said:
All due respect, it is everywhere, search feature or read first 5 threads or so - At least you got 100% answer though. :good:
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I searched, i read... O know How to use a forum. Unfortunately i was not able to find that
I just read an interesting news. Apparently, some canadian phones ( SM-N900W8 ) when flashed with the newly released Mexican 4.4.2 can downgrade back to a 4.3 firmware. Did somebody who flashed the Poland 4.4.2 tried flashing it and maybe you guys can downgrade to 4.3 after as well? It's just an idea I haven't really tried it.
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hey_joe said:
I just read an interesting news. Apparently, some canadian phones ( SM-N900W8 ) when flashed with the newly released Mexican 4.4.2 can downgrade back to a 4.3 firmware. Did somebody who flashed the Poland 4.4.2 tried flashing it and maybe you guys can downgrade to 4.3 after as well? It's just an idea I haven't really tried it.
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Can you link me? please @hey_joe
hey_joe said:
I just read an interesting news. Apparently, some canadian phones ( SM-N900W8 ) when flashed with the newly released Mexican 4.4.2 can downgrade back to a 4.3 firmware. Did somebody who flashed the Poland 4.4.2 tried flashing it and maybe you guys can downgrade to 4.3 after as well? It's just an idea I haven't really tried it.
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That firmware won't work on our 9005 wool it? I will try it if it will
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hey_joe said:
I just read an interesting news. Apparently, some canadian phones ( SM-N900W8 ) when flashed with the newly released Mexican 4.4.2 can downgrade back to a 4.3 firmware. Did somebody who flashed the Poland 4.4.2 tried flashing it and maybe you guys can downgrade to 4.3 after as well? It's just an idea I haven't really tried it.
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Where did you see this?
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EDIT: Reports here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2608178&page=54
can't you revert to an older BL using Odin?
CVonV said:
can't you revert to an older BL using Odin?
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Nope.... Isn't allowed... Once the new bootoader is flashed you are stuck with it and it won't support older firmwares...
radicalisto said:
Can you link me? please @hey_joe
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Sorry I was late. Just quickly posted that one while on brake at work and wasn't able to get back online until now.
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I don't know if you guys can follow this guide and just substitute the files from your original 4.3 phone's firmware and make it work for your phones.
ultramag69 said:
Nope.... Isn't allowed... Once the new bootoader is flashed you are stuck with it and it won't support older firmwares...
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I also have an S3 i9305 with tripped knox bootloader after upgrading to 4.3. I have not tried to flash stock 4.1.2 on it after that, but it is not a problem to flash a custom 4.1.2 or 4.2.2 custom ROM on it.
Is it only samsung signed ROMs that won't boot if it's downgraded? And custom ROMs is not a problem as long as you don't try to downgrade the bootloader?
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ultramag69 said:
Nope.... Isn't allowed... Once the new bootoader is flashed you are stuck with it and it won't support older firmwares...
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that sux! but what is the point of being able to select a BL file in Odin then?
Samsung did changes on the bootloader since MJ7, once updates cannot downgrade.
Also new firmware OS need new bootloader, means once up to latest KitKat that need new bootloader, they is no way to revert to older version as of now.
Andrewtst said:
Samsung did changes on the bootloader since MJ7, once updates cannot downgrade.
Also new firmware OS need new bootloader, means once up to latest KitKat that need new bootloader, they is no way to revert to older version as of now.
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Well for us SM-N900W8 users it's possible to flash back to 4.3. Just took Mexican 4.4.2 for a spin and to me looks the same as 4.3 so I'm back to 4.3 as there's not that many 4.4.2 custom roms out yet.
Well this is being tried by me in a couple of minutes!
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radicalisto said:
Well this is being tried by me in a couple of minutes!
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Goodluck :good:

[Q] hltetmo vs hltecan. Also question about bootloaders.

What is the difference between devices hltetmo and hltecan? I have a hltecan. Will we need CyanogenMod compiled for hltecan? I notice that recoveries have different versions for both devices. Also I am wondering about downgrading for 4.4 (when it comes) to 4.3. Is there a surefire way to upgrade and downgrade between 4.4 TW 4.4 CM and 4.3TW? I would not mind voiding my Knox counter. Just worried about being stuck or getting a brick for another 21 months on contract :silly:
jtl999 said:
What is the difference between devices hltetmo and hltecan? I have a hltecan. Will we need CyanogenMod compiled for hltecan? I notice that recoveries have different versions for both devices. Also I am wondering about downgrading for 4.4 (when it comes) to 4.3. Is there a surefire way to upgrade and downgrade between 4.4 TW 4.4 CM and 4.3TW? I would not mind voiding my Knox counter. Just worried about being stuck or getting a brick for another 21 months on contract :silly:
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you cant downgrade if you want cm you have to stay on 4.3 for now
jaythenut said:
you cant downgrade if you want cm you have to stay on 4.3 for now
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Sigh. I would do anything to be able to upgrade and downgrade between versions. Even Knox counter. If anyone finds something let me know
jtl999 said:
Sigh. I would do anything to be able to upgrade and downgrade between versions. Even Knox counter. If anyone finds something let me know
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I played around a bit earlier... The only firmware you can upgrade to 4.4.2 and downgrade back to 4.3 is the mexican telco one for the n900w8, however I had some issues but will play some more tomorrow when I get time. As for KNOX, it's just one of them things we have to live with I'm afraid..
EDIT: I'm gonna mess with the bootloader and see, doubt it can be matched/mixed to work with the N9005 but what's the harm in trying.
radicalisto said:
I played around a bit earlier... The only firmware you can upgrade to 4.4.2 and downgrade back is the mexican telco one for the n900w8, however I had some issues but will play some more tomorrow when I get time. As for KNOX, it's just one of them things we have to live with I'm afraid..
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Please try with Telus firmware please. Currently on MJ1
radicalisto said:
I played around a bit earlier... The only firmware you can upgrade to 4.4.2 and downgrade back to 4.3 is the mexican telco one for the n900w8, however I had some issues but will play some more tomorrow when I get time. As for KNOX, it's just one of them things we have to live with I'm afraid..
EDIT: I'm gonna mess with the bootloader and see, doubt it can be matched/mixed to work with the N9005 but what's the harm in trying.
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The harm in trying is a hardbrick.
Well yes there is that, however I am not overly fussed about it, as most HB's can be revived. I am aware of all the risks, so will be my fault 100% if I brick myself.
I upgraded my note 3 yesterday to android 4.4 with cm 11, using the probam rom.
I noticed that it lacked the s pen features, so i downgraded back to stock rom.
Download a stock rom and flash it trough twrp
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Rajito said:
I upgraded my note 3 yesterday to android 4.4 with cm 11, using the probam rom.
I noticed that it lacked the s pen features, so i downgraded back to stock rom.
Download a stock rom and flash it trough twrp
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Flash a tar.md5 through twrp? What version of the stock rom?
Did you have the new bootloader?
Rajito said:
I upgraded my note 3 yesterday to android 4.4 with cm 11, using the probam rom.
I noticed that it lacked the s pen features, so i downgraded back to stock rom.
Download a stock rom and flash it trough twrp
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CM is based on MJ/MK Bootloader. You could run Android 9.6 and it'd make no difference. It's all about the bootloader
radicalisto said:
CM is based on MJ/MK Bootloader. You could run Android 9.6 and it'd make no difference. It's all about the bootloader
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Sorry. Can't understand exactly. What exactly means what versions you can run with a new bootloader?
MJ7 is the bootloader that powers CM currently. You need a bootloader to be able to boot into the operating system. Like a key into the phone.
If you upgrade your bootloader to a newer version aka NA6 it locks the phone. Therefore anything that runs lower than NA6 aka MJ7 won't work.
Think of it like, you broke your door, you got a new door and tried to use the old key. It no long works.
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radicalisto said:
MJ7 is the bootloader that powers CM currently. You need a bootloader to be able to boot into the operating system. Like a key into the phone.
If you upgrade your bootloader to a newer version aka NA6 it locks the phone. Therefore anything that runs lower than NA6 aka MJ7 won't work.
Think of it like, you broke your door, you got a new door and tried to use the old key. It no long works.
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I know how bootloaders work. Isn't there a way to omit bootloaders from Odin tar.md5 updates? Once I/Someone figures that out I'm golden staying with my old bootloader. Currently on MJ1.
jaythenut said:
you cant downgrade if you want cm you have to stay on 4.3 for now
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hi, can you elaborate?
i always thought samsung doesn't let you downgrade to an older bootloader. but if you install CM (not samsung official updates) the bootloader doesn't get updated so you can downgrade in the future.
unless you upgrade to 4.4.2 official samsung ROM and update the bootloader, then you'll never be able to downgrade again?
jtl999 said:
Flash a tar.md5 through twrp? What version of the stock rom?
Did you have the new bootloader?
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No, if you want to try out kitkat i recommend you to use a cyanogenmod based 4.4 like probam, it doesn't update your bootloader and you can just downgrade back to jellybean
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How to update Bootloader

Hey,
I'm on AOSP for some time now.
I was just wondering if one can update bootloader only or does he have to update the whole firmware. Lets say I'm on 4.3 JB and would like bootloader 4.4,can i just simply flash bootloader only?
Do i have to use Odin or can i use cmd flash procedure as for nexus?
I'm asking because lollipop needs a updated 4.4 bootloader as far as i know..
Any help would be appreciated.
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ryanrazer said:
Hey,
I'm on AOSP for some time now.
I was just wondering if one can update bootloader only or does he have to update the whole firmware. Lets say I'm on 4.3 JB and would like bootloader 4.4,can i just simply flash bootloader only?
Do i have to use Odin or can i use cmd flash procedure as for nexus?
I'm asking because lollipop needs a updated 4.4 bootloader as far as i know..
Any help would be appreciated.
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Yes, if you manage to get a bootloader only file.
But do keep in mind, that currently 4.4 bootloader works only with 4.4 ROMs (and those custom CM12 ROMs that are made to work with it). You will not be able to revert to 4.3.
Thank you for response.
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Someguyfromhell said:
Yes, if you manage to get a bootloader only file.
But do keep in mind, that currently 4.4 bootloader works only with 4.4 ROMs (and those custom CM12 ROMs that are made to work with it). You will not be able to revert to 4.3.
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But will the latest bootloader N9005XXUGBOA5_DevBase_alexndr an modem N9005XXUGNJ2_DevBase_alexndr work on stock rooted Kitkat, and will it give any improvements?

[Q] Downgrade from OE1?

I just switched back to my GS5 because I broke my iPhone 6. I am currently running 5.0 Baseband G900VVRU2BOE1. I've been trying to Odin back to KItKat. I get a fail in Odin every time. Is there something going on with the bootloader that prevents downgrading?
reverendyummypants said:
I just switched back to my GS5 because I broke my iPhone 6. I am currently running 5.0 Baseband G900VVRU2BOE1. I've been trying to Odin back to KItKat. I get a fail in Odin every time. Is there something going on with the bootloader that prevents downgrading?
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I am unfamiliar with that build. How about giving us a screens hot of about phone?
This is the screenshot you requested. I have not heard anything about this build, either. Any help is appreciated
reverendyummypants said:
I just switched back to my GS5 because I broke my iPhone 6. I am currently running 5.0 Baseband G900VVRU2BOE1. I've been trying to Odin back to KItKat. I get a fail in Odin every time. Is there something going on with the bootloader that prevents downgrading?
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It sounds to me like the aboot qfuse counter changed which would mean that there's no going back to any previous FW. It was only a matter of time before they did it since the VZW S4 lollipop update did that.
We won't know until we get ahold of either the update.zip or the odin tar. I have 2 VZW S5's and both refuse to tell me there's an update available even when I Odin back to a stock FW.
Nice. That's what I hated about Apple. You own the phone, yet, still can't do what you want with it. Well, thanks for checking it out.
reverendyummypants said:
Nice. That's what I hated about Apple. You own the phone, yet, still can't do what you want with it. Well, thanks for checking it out.
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It's most likely more of a Verizon thing than a Samsung thing. Although with the 5.1.1 S5 update on T-Mobile, the kernel prevents rooting and T-Mobile phones are on unlocked bootloaders which means they don't care if you root or install a custom rom so maybe it is becoming more of a Samsung thing now.
reverendyummypants said:
I just switched back to my GS5 because I broke my iPhone 6. I am currently running 5.0 Baseband G900VVRU2BOE1. I've been trying to Odin back to KItKat. I get a fail in Odin every time. Is there something going on with the bootloader that prevents downgrading?
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Want free advice, next time you see an update dont install it it will better if went to the xda forums for more info
As of now there is no way to downgrade. Someone already looked at the update zip. I guess it night be possible once the full OE1 tar is out..something about downgrading everything except the bootloader
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MuminMohamed said:
Want free advice, next time you see an update dont install it it will better if went to the xda forums for more info
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the thing is, with Verizon, you can choose to not accept the upgrade a few times, but ultimately, it is forced on you...which is why I rooted my S5 the same week I bought it (to avoid unwanted 'upgrades')
Can I downgrade from OA8?
brettdacosta said:
Can I downgrade from OA8?
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Yes as long as you do not take the oe1 update you should be good
root and downgrade to kitkat
I have s5 having base-band number g900vvru1boa8 unlocked verizon version. How i can root and downgrade to kitkat version? I need help.
fairy8902015 said:
I have s5 having base-band number g900vvru1boa8 unlocked verizon version. How i can root and downgrade to kitkat version? I need help.
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Look a few threads up...
s5
ldeveraux said:
Look a few threads up...
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I can't get to the thread that you have answered. kindly send me the link to the thread as i will be very grateful.
fairy8902015 said:
I can't get to the thread that you have answered. kindly send me the link to the thread as i will be very grateful.
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Nah, I'm sure you can find it!
Dudash said:
It sounds to me like the aboot qfuse counter changed which would mean that there's no going back to any previous FW. It was only a matter of time before they did it since the VZW S4 lollipop update did that.
We won't know until we get ahold of either the update.zip or the odin tar. I have 2 VZW S5's and both refuse to tell me there's an update available even when I Odin back to a stock FW.
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The OE1 update prevents downgrading even if you have never flashed anything, correct?
tr4nqui1i7y said:
The OE1 update prevents downgrading even if you have never flashed anything, correct?
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Correct.
hi guys can you help me my baseband version is g900vvru2bpb1 i dont see oe1 anywhere, and i fail everytime i roll back is this the unflashable unrootable version came this way from ebay
lucasdvega said:
hi guys can you help me my baseband version is g900vvru2bpb1 i dont see oe1 anywhere, and i fail everytime i roll back is this the unflashable unrootable version came this way from ebay
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Why would you need to downgrade from pb1?

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