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I remember reading awhile ago an interview with one of the CM developers saying that he's sick of samsung not updating/releasing their exynos codes and as such he stopped develpoing for samsung devices.
As i'm looking to upgrade my s2 to a new phone I'm wondering if we'll see better support from samsung for the developers this time.
any thoughts?
two words- ignore exynos
tal123 said:
I remember reading awhile ago an interview with one of the CM developers saying that he's sick of samsung not updating/releasing their exynos codes and as such he stopped develpoing for samsung devices.
As i'm looking to upgrade my s2 to a new phone I'm wondering if we'll see better support from samsung for the developers this time.
any thoughts?
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i9505 is a much better choice if you want the stock Android experience. Don't know if you missed it, but Google are launching a Google Edition of the S4(SD600 version), which means it'll be much better supported than the i9500.
yeah just a shame that the exynos version is the only version you can buy in some country's(mine included)
would be much easier buying that one over the GE one!
check areas of custom rom, there more for exynos.
lol I got the qualcom version. haven't seen exynos version is that the I9500 ?
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LastStandingDroid said:
lol I got the qualcom version. haven't seen exynos version is that the I9500 ?
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Exynos version is i9500 (plus I believe one Korean version and one Chinese version). Which so far has no CM/AOSP support whatsoever. All of the former Exynos CM maintainers have stopped working with Samsungs, leaving only those who worked with Snapdragon-based Samsungs (of which there were quite a few...) still working on Samsung devices. So far not a single person with a track record of doing good CM bringups/maintenance has stated their intention to touch the Exynos variant.
Snapdragon versions are I9505, I337, M919, not sure what the Verizon and Sprint versions are. M919 got CM support from Cyanogen himself within a day or two of launch, and all other Snapdragon versions are just needing maintainers. Of the Snapdragon versions, the I9505 seems to be getting the least attention. (Except for maybe the bootloader-locked I337...) But the I9505 can leverage M919 and other Snapdragon work, the Exynos version stands on its own, sharing nothing with any other device.
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Exynos version is i9500 (plus I believe one Korean version and one Chinese version). Which so far has no CM/AOSP support whatsoever. All of the former Exynos CM maintainers have stopped working with Samsungs, leaving only those who worked with Snapdragon-based Samsungs (of which there were quite a few...) still working on Samsung devices. So far not a single person with a track record of doing good CM bringups/maintenance has stated their intention to touch the Exynos variant.
Snapdragon versions are I9505, I337, M919, not sure what the Verizon and Sprint versions are. M919 got CM support from Cyanogen himself within a day or two of launch, and all other Snapdragon versions are just needing maintainers. Of the Snapdragon versions, the I9505 seems to be getting the least attention. (Except for maybe the bootloader-locked I337...) But the I9505 can leverage M919 and other Snapdragon work, the Exynos version stands on its own, sharing nothing with any other device.
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some people are trying port cm to exynos but with no samsung support must be painful, samething happen with gs3
Hi Everyone,
I just took delivery of my new S4 Exynos (Octa) and am surprised how few custom ROMS are out there for this device.
I had an S3 and so I'm kinda used to being spoilt for choice when it came to custom ROMS.
Any ideas why there's but a few for the Octa? Is it because of the chipset?
I saw Cyanogen have said they nt going to release any ROMS for the Octa
device is relatively new, exynos always gave headaches to devs of CM.....
give it time, some people said its not worth upgrading from an s3 so... yeah less custom ROMs
Really its a bitter truth...9500 has only 2 or 3 Devs till now with no update and fixes in lias 2 or 3 weeks ..that section seems like ghost busted :
9505 too has not as many Devs as HTC One has...however it has quite good dev support
I think after so many issues in s4 Devs are skipping it [probably] for note 3
lets wait and see in the near future if the outcome is bad, its hammer time !
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Hi Everyone,
I just took delivery of my new S4 Exynos (Octa) and am surprised how few custom ROMS are out there for this device.
I had an S3 and so I'm kinda used to being spoilt for choice when it came to custom ROMS.
Any ideas why there's but a few for the Octa? Is it because of the chipset?
I saw Cyanogen have said they nt going to release any ROMS for the Octa
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To be clear - CM rarely says that a given device will NEVER be supported. The last time we did that was with the Snapdragon S1 and CM9 - That hardware was simply too weak to support ICS and later.
However, all of the CM maintainers that have worked with past Exynos variants refuse to touch it, and anyone else with maintainer experience saw what we went through with Exynos4 and also seem to be avoiding it.
There is always the possibility that someone new will pick things up - but honestly, I consider the likelihood to be very slim.
So CM support for the "Octa" is POSSIBLE - but it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY. I think that AndreiLux was the only experienced low-level (kernels, platform bringup) developer to touch the "Octa", and he's not particularly happy with it so far.
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So CM support for the "Octa" is POSSIBLE - but it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY. I think that AndreiLux was the only experienced low-level (kernels, platform bringup) developer to touch the "Octa", and he's not particularly happy with it so far.
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Other than the CCI fiasco I'm relatively fine with the phone. I expected and was prepared to bring MP to the device but I guess that's not happening.
As for CM, I think it's more of a problem of lack of interest than actual technical feasibility. I'd happily dwell into the device platform world if I had time but that's not happening anytime soon as I have a backlog of features in the kernel space to do and finish.
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Other than the CCI fiasco I'm relatively fine with the phone. I expected and was prepared to bring MP to the device but I guess that's not happening.
As for CM, I think it's more of a problem of lack of interest than actual technical feasibility. I'd happily dwell into the device platform world if I had time but that's not happening anytime soon as I have a backlog of features in the kernel space to do and finish.
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Why you will not bring it anymore?
Gboss01 said:
Hi Everyone,
I just took delivery of my new S4 Exynos (Octa) and am surprised how few custom ROMS are out there for this device.
I had an S3 and so I'm kinda used to being spoilt for choice when it came to custom ROMS.
Any ideas why there's but a few for the Octa? Is it because of the chipset?
I saw Cyanogen have said they nt going to release any ROMS for the Octa
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No CM support does not equal to no dev support just to be clear. There are top.devs here ( Indie and Wanam) and there most likely be more devs to join the party. It is however a surprise that there's only a few Roms for this device at the moment.
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Well because most of the S4 users have the Snapdragon variant. As for CM, as Entropy said, its most probably not going to come out for our device, even if it does, it'll be broken and unusable due to lack of source code/documentation, etc. As for the custom ROMs, we'll have more of them but the best one IMO - Android Revolution HD - is very unlikely for our device.
The Octa is such a great phone yet the support seems to be lacking a little, I mean my Huawei U8800 had more development going on than this phone.
I dont get why alot of people are saying the Octa is crap compared to the S600 when the Octa beats the S600 in every benchmark I've seen.
Is the S600 an easier design to build custom ROMS for?
I have tried Doc Barebones ROM and Wanams Lite ROM. Both work well on the Octa but I found Docs ROM to the give me the highest Antutu scores, always above 30000 with the highest being 30890. Wanam's ROM didn't yield much more than the stock ROM, around 28300, same with the Omega v4 ROM.
I'm back to on the stock firmware, with bloatware removed, for now. having tried those three ROMS I'm itching to try another but alas I cant find any :crying:
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Is the S600 an easier design to build custom ROMS for?
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Yes as Qualcomm is much more open source than Exynos. Not open source = pain in the a** to develop.
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chickentuna said:
Yes as Qualcomm is much more open source than Exynos. Not open source = pain in the a** to develop.
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Damn!
I read some where that Samsung might release the source code for the exynos. Is this true?
And if they did would that make it any easie rto develop ROMS for the Octa?
Just simply harder to develop anything for Exynos, i think.
I'd like to remind everyone that developers spend their own time and money on development.
Basically, unless the developer has a strong interest in a device he will not feel obliged to 'hack' features such as camera, noise canceling and so on.
I miss the old days of the HD2
I hope we can get CM on the 9500 because it will open the door for AOKP and Paranoid-Android and possibly MIUI.
Good luck to the developers.
RIP on i9500 haha just joking ... @AndreiLux are u giving up on i9500 ? oh please dont
As Entropy512 said, the problem is mostly because Exynos has terrible source code support. There are a lot of precompiled modules in the source, and these are tied to the Android version that the source code is for. This means that when a new version of Android comes out, you're stuck waiting for Samsung to catch up.
What the devs (like Entropy) have been trying to do is to create open-source versions of these modules, so that they're not reliant on Samsung. This has been extremely frustrating for them, requiring a lot of work for very little gain.
What would be ideal is for Samsung to provide source code and documentation for these precompiled modules. They're promised to do this several times, but so far have only delivered some code that only works for a reference board, not for the hardware configurations that any of their phones use. Even worse, the source code that is available is based on Gingerbread, and has numerous hacks applied to allow it to work with ICS. In short, it's just broken and will not work.
Qualcomm (Snapdragon), on the other hand, provide very good developer support. They and Texas Instruments (OMAP) have a very good reputation with the devs, with lots of source code and documentation available. That's why Snapdragon and OMAP phones are among the first to be supported when new versions of AOSP/AOKP/CM come out.
The I9500 may do better in the benchmarks than the I9505, but that's one of the few advantages it has.
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I am not really interested in anything else but AOSP / CM on this phone. We badly need it.. I think we need to build the force on Twitter so that we can bombard their twitter account (@SamsungExynos) and force them to release at least some sorta source for Exynos.
I already started tweeting them like hell. Yes, they do reply with kind of SAFE sided replies..
Gboss01 said:
Damn!
I read some where that Samsung might release the source code for the exynos. Is this true?
And if they did would that make it any easie rto develop ROMS for the Octa?
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If they did it would make the world of difference and Exynos would be on a level playing field in development terms as the likes of Snapdragon. Unfortunately, Samsung have been saying that since the original Galaxy S and it still hasn't happened, and it's clear they never intended to release anything and it was nothing more than lip service in an attempt to sell more handsets by appearing developer friendly. It's broken promises like this which has made reputable developers wash their hands with the Exynos chipset and any phones that use it. Unfortunately, this leaves people with the I9500 in a bit of a predicament if they're not fond of TW as it's likely to be their only option for the foreseeable, if not full stop.
Gboss01 said:
Damn!
I read some where that Samsung might release the source code for the exynos. Is this true?
And if they did would that make it any easie rto develop ROMS for the Octa?
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Exynos open source? Highly unlikely and yes it would be much easier building roms, devs wouldn't even need to have the device to build a working ROM.
gdonanthony said:
RIP on i9500 haha just joking ... @AndreiLux are u giving up on i9500 ? oh please dont
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He never said that, on the contrary he might be having some big plans
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1) lack of source codes for the previous exynos in galaxy s3 is a well known problem preventing the ability to create good, custom and clean android roms for s3. therefore, many developers have decided ditching s3 custom roms.
im afraid there will never be any good clean android roms for S4.. or it will take a long time.
what do you think? why doesnt samsung release the source code of the exynos 5?
Will exynos 5's source code be released soon???????
2) a new linux version 3.10 has been release, supporting exynos 5 core.. when it will be used in galaxy s4???
3) how will linux 3.10 improve android? will it be better/faster?
4)Ive heard that samsung is busy developing a new SoC, Exynos 5420
when it will be released and what will it do
darixtorento said:
1) lack of source codes for the previous exynos in galaxy s3 is a well known problem preventing the ability to create good, custom and clean android roms for s3. therefore, many developers have decided ditching s3 custom roms.
im afraid there will never be any good clean android roms for S4.. or it will take a long time.
what do you think? why doesnt samsung release the source code of the exynos 5?
Will exynos 5's source code be released soon???????
2) a new linux version 3.10 has been release, supporting exynos 5 core.. when it will be used in galaxy s4???
3) how will linux 3.10 improve android? will it be better/faster?
4)Ive heard that samsung is busy developing a new SoC, Exynos 5420
when it will be released and what will it do
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1- Exynos Code are probably never to be released though i heard about this exynos octa arndale version that may help in getting additional infos about the Chip
2 and 3-this new linux version is probably to be used with newer version of android it brings big.little optimazation so it will make the exynos SOC run efficiently however it is not know how it would improve it or using which scenario .and yes i will be faster and more power efficient
4- this SOC is more likely to be used with future devices like note 3
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1- Exynos Code are probably never to be released though i heard about this exynos octa arndale version that may help in getting additional infos about the Chip
2 and 3-this new linux version is probably to be used with newer version of android it brings big.little optimazation so it will make the exynos SOC run efficiently however it is not know how it would improve it or using which scenario .and yes i will be faster and more power efficient
4- this SOC is more likely to be used with future devices like note 3
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thanks for answering
when will exynos octa arndale version be released?
So does that mean we are not going to see AOKP on i9500 soon. I love AOKPs and am cursing myself for not buying the i9505 as it was available. Smartphone is no joy without AOKP.
darixtorento said:
thanks for answering
when will exynos octa arndale version be released?
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this might help you http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04...lopment-board-is-now-available-for-pre-order/
jj9922 said:
this might help you http://www.cnx-software.com/2013/04...lopment-board-is-now-available-for-pre-order/
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this is from april 2013.. pretty old dont you think?
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this is from april 2013.. pretty old dont you think?
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yes but it should give you an idea about it
We all miss AOKP!
Hello guys, an Android / xda developers n00b here...
The Octo Core GT-I9500 was the only choice here since it's the only S4 model shipped in my country so I'm a bit frustrated too about the AOKP thing - which I learned it may well be the next big thing after CyanogenMOD itself.
I'm about to flash Arrow ROM right now which seems pretty interesting and also will give Omega ROM a try, while we can't put our dirty hands on AOKP we surely have two really nice mods to play with
As such, I'm all years about your experiences - if any - with any of these two ROMs.
Cheers
so no aokp coming soon?
even GS3 got aopk faster
Comon people please help
Comon i need answersssss
Comon what goes on there are any news?
Where is aopk for s4
what goes on
learn to search and read .. sorry to offend u ..
gdonanthony said:
learn to search and read .. sorry to offend u ..
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i did, and found nothing
darixtorento said:
i did, and found nothing
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If there ia nothing... there is nothing.
In my country we say
A watched pot never boils.
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Gillion said:
If there ia nothing... there is nothing.
In my country we say
A watched pot never boils.
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Or what is more or less the same thing: it will not get faster no matter how much you stand still looking at it!
(and, btw, this is just what's happening to me reloading the site every 5' min awaiting for the imminent release of Arrow ROM 4.0, lol!)
In general thread of i9500 and i9505 a thread exist s about cm development for i9500 some good info there!
Plz where i can download CM11 for G900H
Do you have any reason to believe that CM 11 exists for the 900H?
I haven't seen anything that indicates it is even planned. The CM 11 thread here clearly states Qualcomm support only for the S5. And the requests that I have seen to support the 900H on the Cyanogenmod site have gone unreplied.
Team Hacksung was very reluctant to support the Exynos S4. And it was only recently that forthcoming support for the Exynos N3 was announced. The 900H is a niche device and as such, probably none of the CyanogenMod Developers own one. Which would make it exceedingly hard to develop for even if there was a desire to do so.
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Nobody at Team Hacksung (the team behind Galaxy S2, Note, S3, Note2, G Tabs… official CM ports) plans to buy it, neither develop for it. There are two variants which will be a pain to maintain, [and] the bugs we have on the S3 will probably be there on S4, too (camera), and we all know Samsung ability to release sources while staying in line with mainline. Yes Qualcomm releases sources, but Exynos sources we had were far from [working on] actual Galaxy products. I’m pretty sure the same will happen for this one.
That’s a uniform “no” from us.
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fffft said:
Do you have any reason to believe that CM 11 exists for the 900H?
I haven't seen anything that indicates it is even planned. The CM 11 thread here clearly states Qualcomm support only for the S5. And the requests that I have seen to support the 900H on the Cyanogenmod site have gone unreplied.
Team Hacksung was very reluctant to support the Exynos S4. And it was only recently that forthcoming support for the Exynos N3 was announced. The 900H is a niche device and as such, probably none of the CyanogenMod Developers own one. Which would make it exceedingly hard to develop for even if there was a desire to do so.
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that mean no chance s**t
jarule08_2008 said:
that mean no chance s**t
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Sorry for the bad news. I wouldn't say zero chance of support since they ultimately decided to support the N3. But it's not promising either. There simply aren't many 900H phones compared to all of the other S5's that use the Qualcomm rather than Exynos processor. Resulting in tenuous prospects for Exynos support.
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Sorry for the bad news. I wouldn't say zero chance of support since they ultimately decided to support the N3. But it's not promising either. There simply aren't many 900H phones compared to all of the other S5's that use the Qualcomm rather than Exynos processor. Resulting in tenuous prospects for Exynos support.
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thx . to drop test hhhh
I am currently owning the Galaxy S6 but I really want to sell it and buy the s7 just because i want to use microsdcards again and whatherproofness is also very cool for me
so something what i really care about is development for the device wich i will buy...
i am pritty sure that the Qualcomm S7 will get Cm builds maybe also official builds but i live in germany where the Qualcomm variant is not sold. so i will need to stick with the exynos version.
the galaxy s6 also has CM aviable with its exynos processor... since now all Galaxy S (exynos) devices got cm in any time:
- Galaxy S2
- Galaxy S3
- Galaxy S4 exynos
- Galaxy S5 exynos (very buggy build tho)
- Galaxy S6
what do u think about cm on Galaxy S7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/how-to/developer-discussion-custom-kernels-t3338351
No custom kernel thus far.
BTW, S2~6 are official builds?
From what I gather, Samsung has nearly zero motivation to contribute to open source and custom roms, unlike Motorola, Sony, HTC, etc. Which makes it kinda hard for devs to support their phones.
If you have an inside contact at Samsung, by all means let them know.
It has been discussed on so many topics already... CM (or any aosp type of rom for that matter) is pretty much impossible on the Exynos, even if someone gets something to boot, it will always be super broken and full of bugs. As for the Snapdragon variant.. CM should be very possible I guess but the problem is, it seems like every variant that comes with the snapdragon cpu has their bootloaders locked to hell... so... Until someone figures out a way to unlock the bootloaders... No luck there either. If your reason for buying an S7 is development and AOSP projects... I suggest you buy some other phone.
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It has been discussed on so many topics already... CM (or any aosp type of rom for that matter) is pretty much impossible on the Exynos, even if someone gets something to boot, it will always be super broken and full of bugs. As for the Snapdragon variant.. CM should be very possible I guess but the problem is, it seems like every variant that comes with the snapdragon cpu has their bootloaders locked to hell... so... Until someone figures out a way to unlock the bootloaders... No luck there either. If your reason for buying an S7 is development and AOSP projects... I suggest you buy some other phone.
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the fact ist that they have said the same for galaxy s3 exynos and galaxy s6 exynos
both have pritty much stable builds.
i am using aosp or cm roms only when the phone gets outdated and getting no update from samsung.
so this isnt that important to me
<galaxylove> said:
the fact ist that they have said the same for galaxy s3 exynos and galaxy s6 exynos
both have pritty much stable builds.
i am using aosp or cm roms only when the phone gets outdated and getting no update from samsung.
so this isnt that important to me
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* What’s working */
Basic 2D graphics
Wi-Fi
AP hotspot
Audio
Microphone
SMS/MMS/Mobile Data(3G, LTE)
Call
Sensors
NFC
LED(WIP)
MTP
Suspend(deep-sleep)
/* What’s not working */
Camera
GPS
Hardware accelerated video/audio encoding/decoding
Proper 3D graphics
Listing network operator
Everything else.
Even what’s listed on “What’s working” has room to improve and may have some serious bugs.
With 2D graphics, there are noticeable framedrops and tearing
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is that your idea of stable?
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is that your idea of stable?
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no but the rom is at least useable...
the galaxy s3 has very good dev support this is clear...
they said also for both devices that it is fully impossible. but actually the devs made it
<galaxylove> said:
no but the rom is at least useable...
the galaxy s3 has very good dev support this is clear...
they said also for both devices that it is fully impossible. but actually the devs made it
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no it's not usable, sorry. even 2D graphics are broken in it. Unless Samsung has a change of heart and releases the full source for Exynos phones, forget it. And Samsung having is a change of heart is never gonna happen since almost all their customers don't care about root/custom Roms. The only hope is someone figuring out how to unlock the bootloaders on the Qualcomm variants
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no it's not usable, sorry. even 2D graphics are broken in it. Unless Samsung has a change of heart and releases the full source for Exynos phones, forget it. And Samsung having is a change of heart is never gonna happen since almost all their customers don't care about root/custom Roms. The only hope is someone figuring out how to unlock the bootloaders on the Qualcomm variants
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This is the problem every year with Samsung phones. It is not Samsung Mobile division that does not release the Exynos sources, there are other divisions of Samsung which will simply not allow the Exynos sources to be released (for newer devices)
http://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-exynos-and-aosp-explained-a-story-of-betrayal/
http://www.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7-bootloader-lock-explained-you-might-not-get-aosp-after-all/
Best bet would be someone found a hack on Snapdragons to root the phones and then install custom ROM.
For Exynos I think we can safely say goodbyes. Anything else is wishful thinking. Sorry to say that but I think that's true. (or you can start a 100-day hunger strike in front of the Samsung HQ and see how it goes.)
I am a student from china but now I study in germany and get the SD820 version from china....
007zzz said:
I am a student from china but now I study in germany and get the SD820 version from china....
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I would get the Mi5, its has already an rather stable CM13 out.
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I would get the Mi5, its has already an rather stable CM13 out.
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Mi5 doesn't have microSD card and uses Type-C cables.
Not to mention that the radio firmware is probably bugged by the Chinese government.
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Mi5 doesn't have microSD card and uses Type-C cables.
Not to mention that the radio firmware is probably bugged by the Chinese government.
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It has 128 GB internal storage and Type C cables thats an plus in my book.
I have this feeling where i really just like sansumg's phones hardware and in special it's new look, but then is the fact that my S5(exynos) still stuck in 5.0 bugged as hell rom and there still no 6.0. The Qualcomm counter part have great CM support but there still nothing for the S7.
I will probably have to get either a nexus(2016) or a Huawei p9 which looks really nice too, also I'm thinking about the HTC 10 mmm.