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I would like to know whether you guys will prefer either snapdragon 600 or exynos powered samsung galaxy s4, what it'll do is making it easy for us to understand which one will have more development support, so i'll and many others will buy that one. Thanks
EDIT: Here is Exynos's Benchmark results and comparison with Snapdragon 600 powered S4 and other devices:
Octa-core Galaxy S4 benchmarks surface, live up to expectations
hspa+ in my area is solid plus att lte starting to slow up in my area, i am guessing due to more lte phones. the exynos 5 octa is better in every way it looks like and i prefer touch wiz to cm, it is more productive (imo). i hope to get it in new york when i am up there april 26th in one of the import electronic shops.
You wont find it in store here in the u.s. I prefer exynos chip too but im not getting it due to cost and no lte. Going to renew my contract and get s600 around release. Hoping to find some good deal offerings
I checked the SamMobile website and it said Australia is getting the SD600 but if I only want 3g/2g do I still have to use the SD600 variant. If I can choose I WILL go for the E5O version
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hspa+ in my area is solid plus att lte starting to slow up in my area, i am guessing due to more lte phones. the exynos 5 octa is better in every way it looks like cm, touch wiz is more productive (imo). i hope to get it in new york when i am up there april 26th in one of the import electronic shops.
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I am glad to find that people prefers Exynos more then Snapdragon 600, obviously because it's battery efficient faster, but i guess many of them have to import it, even i guess you also have to import Exynos one from Asia or other region, because i saw Samsung has shortage of Exynos, so 70% will get Snapdragon 600, but in my country there will be only i9500,
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I checked the SamMobile website and it said Australia is getting the SD600 but if I only want 3g/2g do I still have to use the SD600 variant. If I can choose I WILL go for the E5O version
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Yeah this is bit of setback, i wish Samsung must provide LTE Capable phone for everyone, it's not there headache whether a particular country supports it or not, can't really understand these manufacturers logic these days..my main concern is only if we get very fewer number of i9500, then of course development for them will be very minimal, and in my country we'll only get i9500
As per my country I will receive S4 9400.
BTW it is related to Q/A forum.
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As per my country I will receive S4 9400.
BTW it is related to Q/A forum.
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Well i don't think it's related to Q/A Answer section, i feel it should be in General, just like every other similar POLLS on xda.
if india had a choice between 9500/9505 , i would blindly choose exynos. Its not only about the raw power, but about the big little architecture. Cant wait to test it and play around it. defenitely something different than a traditional cpu .
with a7 cores used for movie play back and call and at sleep, i strongly assume the battery would last much longer than any other s4 variants.
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if india had a choice between 9500/9505 , i would blindly choose exynos. Its not only about the raw power, but about the big little architecture. Cant wait to test it and play around it. defenitely something different than a traditional cpu .
with a7 cores used for movie play back and call and at sleep, i strongly assume the battery would last much longer than any other s4 variants.
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This is the reason why i guess people are looking more towards Exynos, i.e. longer battery life, your ideas are really helping me here, my first Exynos device this S4 will be i am searching for some leak to know which 70% countries are getting SD600/i9505, i wish Asia will not
R: POLL: I9500 OR I9505, What will you buy?
In Italy I will choose I9500 version (I don't care about LTE because here it's very expensive and not widespread)
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I9500 because well, I don't have any other choice. There's no 4G network either in my country.
IF I buy one: I9505.
Exynos makes me mad, I'm developing AOSP ROMs.
Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.
I9500 as I already have htc one with SD600 not that there is anything wrong with SD600 also I dont use 4G so don't need a 4G capable phone.
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Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.
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no surprise here, what if they dont care about aosp? frankly the gap between aosp and stock roms are getting bigger day by day. apart from the sleekness aosp provides it is struggling hard to match the potential of stock roms(not only samsung roms,add htc and sony roms to this list).
xploidwild started a movement some time back to add more functionality to "CM". sadly i dont know the current state of that movement.
Also, the cm support for 9500 would come eventually , but its going to be harder this time with teamhacksung saying no. There are few sources of exynos 5 dual out there somewhere which might help the new cm developers.
I dont want a fully working aosp for 9500, but would be happy to see nightlies just like s2 or s3.
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no surprise here, what if they dont care about aosp? frankly the gap between aosp and stock roms are getting bigger day by day. apart from the sleekness aosp provides it is struggling hard to match the potential of stock roms(not only samsung roms,add htc and sony roms to this list).
xploidwild started a movement some time back to add more functionality to "CM". sadly i dont know the current state of that movement.
Also, the cm support for 9500 would come eventually , but its going to be harder this time with teamhacksung saying no. There are few sources of exynos 5 dual out there somewhere which might help the new cm developers.
I dont want a fully working aosp for 9500, but would be happy to see nightlies just like s2 or s3.
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Don't forget, devices which doesn't get official CM Support still gets unofficial cm ports, like Desire Z etc, we may get unofficial ports, or even cm support lately for Exynos based devices, for example note 3 etc...
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Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.
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It's actually only one member of the team who said that the others came out and said 1 member doesn't speak for the team and that as for every other phone they will never announce supporting or not supporting until a device is actually launched
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Someone had mention this to me so I figure I ask. Selling my S3 in order to get either an S4 or HTC One. I love the ONE but ifix just said its impossible to repair. Feel like I am force to get an S4 because of its generous and gorgeous features over a very nice looking phone like the HTC ONE.
Do you guys believe is worth getting Exynos over the Snapdragon and sacrificing LTE?
I'm on TMOBIL so ideally I would love to have the latest and greatest but at the same time I would like the LTE feature. What are your thoughts on it?
I wish the video recorder had a wide angle like the HTC One and even the S3.
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Someone had mention this to me so I figure I ask. Selling my S3 in order to get either an S4 or HTC One. I love the ONE but ifix just said its impossible to repair. Feel like I am force to get an S4 because of its generous and gorgeous features over a very nice looking phone like the HTC ONE.
Do you guys believe is worth getting Exynos over the Snapdragon and sacrificing LTE?
I'm on TMOBIL so ideally I would love to have the latest and greatest but at the same time I would like the LTE feature. What are your thoughts on it?
I wish the video recorder had a wide angle like the HTC One and even the S3.
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There will be Exynos OctaCore with LTE
like S III QuadCore with LTE
however Samsung confirm it for some regions like S.Korea
So u can buy it and enjoy
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Samsung said 70% of the first 10 million galaxy S4 will be S600 proc because of some problems in Exynos production ...
Roms were interchangeable between all the American snapdragon S4 with a few tweaks by devs.
Most likely it will be the same case with all the sd600 Roms. So development will be easier.
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Wel if we looked at the the locations of SD600 launches we can see that SD600 is going to places where a larger portion of the developers are. In fact almost the whole of europe is getting the SD600. Not to mention the possibility of US also using SD600. So we are looking at a significant difference in user proportions and developer support tend to also follow the trend linearly.
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In a short answer is yes it will be more popular as 70% is getting quadcore.
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Wel if we looked at the the locations of SD600 launches we can see that SD600 is going to places where a larger portion of the developers are. In fact almost the whole of europe is getting the SD600. Not to mention the possibility of US also using SD600. So we are looking at a significant difference in user proportions and developer support tend to also follow the trend linearly.
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70% of the population is getting the Snapdragon, and many of the developers who worked with Exynos in the past got sick of it and are absolutely not getting another Exynos device, and most of us are ditching Samsung overall.
I only know of one developer (AndreiLux) who is confirmed to be getting an Exynos variant so far.
Didn't CM say that they would not support Exynos processors? That should say something in itself.
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Didn't CM say that they would not support Exynos processors? That should say something in itself.
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No... You need to read more carefully. CM never makes general decisions as a whole to support/not support a given device (except when a device simply needs to be dropped - the last time that happened was with ICS and Snapdragon S1 series chips because their GPUs are too weak to pass the Android CTS for ICS and later. Tegra2 devices had a close call due to lacking NEON support but they're still in for now.)
That said, none of the Exynos4 maintainer team are picking up any GS4s (we're so pissed at Samsung we're not even getting the Qcom variants, but this doesn't really matter as far as CM on those devices - see below).
Some of the Qualcomm GS3 maintainer team will be picking up Qualcomm GS4s.
So Qualcomm-based GS4s have had maintainers with direct experience with its predecessor express interest in picking up the device. CM support on the AT&T and T-Mobile variants is highly likely, CM support on international Qualcomm GS4s doesn't have a maintainer that has expressed interest yet, but differences from the AT&T/T-Mo variants should be minimal (if anything - see t0lte, one device repo is supporting international Note 2 LTE, AT&T LTE, and T-Mobile LTE versions.)
Exynos-based GS4s have had no one with prior maintainer experience express interest in the device so far. Will someone attempt it? Almost surely. Will they succeed and get it to a point where it will get M and stable builds? In my PERSONAL opinion, highly unlikely unless Samsung changes their attitude with regards to documentation.
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No... You need to read more carefully. CM never makes general decisions as a whole to support/not support a given device (except when a device simply needs to be dropped - the last time that happened was with ICS and Snapdragon S1 series chips because their GPUs are too weak to pass the Android CTS for ICS and later. Tegra2 devices had a close call due to lacking NEON support but they're still in for now.)
That said, none of the Exynos4 maintainer team are picking up any GS4s (we're so pissed at Samsung we're not even getting the Qcom variants, but this doesn't really matter as far as CM on those devices - see below).
Some of the Qualcomm GS3 maintainer team will be picking up Qualcomm GS4s.
So Qualcomm-based GS4s have had maintainers with direct experience with its predecessor express interest in picking up the device. CM support on the AT&T and T-Mobile variants is highly likely, CM support on international Qualcomm GS4s doesn't have a maintainer that has expressed interest yet, but differences from the AT&T/T-Mo variants should be minimal (if anything - see t0lte, one device repo is supporting international Note 2 LTE, AT&T LTE, and T-Mobile LTE versions.)
Exynos-based GS4s have had no one with prior maintainer experience express interest in the device so far. Will someone attempt it? Almost surely. Will they succeed and get it to a point where it will get M and stable builds? In my PERSONAL opinion, highly unlikely unless Samsung changes their attitude with regards to documentation.
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Thanks for clarifying. What do you expect from the vzw version?
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Thanks for clarifying. What do you expect from the vzw version?
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Who knows. The CDMA guys are always in their own land. I'm not sure if sbrissen did any work with the Qcom-based GS3s.
I think some of the guys who do work on d2vzw and d2spr are semi-interested, however, at least some of them are questioning whether they can justify a device purchase already, and most of them are (like myself) not fans of user donations.
There's also the fact that with each iteration, Samsung is getting much better at locking down Verizon devices. Don't count on this next iteration getting cracked rapidly.
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No... You need to read more carefully. CM never makes general decisions as a whole to support/not support a given device (except when a device simply needs to be dropped - the last time that happened was with ICS and Snapdragon S1 series chips because their GPUs are too weak to pass the Android CTS for ICS and later. Tegra2 devices had a close call due to lacking NEON support but they're still in for now.)
That said, none of the Exynos4 maintainer team are picking up any GS4s (we're so pissed at Samsung we're not even getting the Qcom variants, but this doesn't really matter as far as CM on those devices - see below).
Some of the Qualcomm GS3 maintainer team will be picking up Qualcomm GS4s.
So Qualcomm-based GS4s have had maintainers with direct experience with its predecessor express interest in picking up the device. CM support on the AT&T and T-Mobile variants is highly likely, CM support on international Qualcomm GS4s doesn't have a maintainer that has expressed interest yet, but differences from the AT&T/T-Mo variants should be minimal (if anything - see t0lte, one device repo is supporting international Note 2 LTE, AT&T LTE, and T-Mobile LTE versions.)
Exynos-based GS4s have had no one with prior maintainer experience express interest in the device so far. Will someone attempt it? Almost surely. Will they succeed and get it to a point where it will get M and stable builds? In my PERSONAL opinion, highly unlikely unless Samsung changes their attitude with regards to documentation.
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So your suggesting that we or I stick with a SD600? I hear a lot about how displeased people are about previous Exynos. I don't know much about the history but you make it osund like it was a real pain in the ass.
And why would people want to leave samsung phones? You say for not having a Qalc variant. You mean an 8 core Qualc?
True.
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So your suggesting that we or I stick with a SD600? I hear a lot about how displeased people are about previous Exynos. I don't know much about the history but you make it osund like it was a real pain in the ass.
And why would people want to leave samsung phones? You say for not having a Qalc variant. You mean an 8 core Qualc?
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It is a real pain to deal with when you don't have proper documentation to work with. Add in the fact that Samsung flat out lied to devs and you have why they are willing to leave the OEM. To be honest I think in the end most devs will end up on the nexus so they don't have to deal with closed source BS from the OEMs. How many cores the device has is not really a problem as it doesn't effect alot. I have had both of the S3 and they run the same. Mix in the fact that the extra 4 cores won't do anything for performance and android is not really able to take advantage of them. Muti level threading on android is still not up to par for anything other then a dual core device.
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Entropy512 said:
70% of the population is getting the Snapdragon, and many of the developers who worked with Exynos in the past got sick of it and are absolutely not getting another Exynos device, and most of us are ditching Samsung overall.
I only know of one developer (AndreiLux) who is confirmed to be getting an Exynos variant so far.
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Thats an interesting point, to where are the majority of the Developers moving to do you know? I've actually just got the HTC One but i'm really tempted to get the S4, as i've come across a few speed bumps that for me are a bit annoying.
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To answer the question about the S4, i would say that until the octa is widely available (probably later on this year, like they did with the LTE version of the S3) it's safe to say that development for the snapdragon is going to be vastly superior in comparison.
Even if they bring out the Octa to the masses, chances are development will be so far ahead with the snapdragon then it'll be pointless getting it.
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Thats an interesting point, to where are the majority of the Developers moving to do you know? I've actually just got the HTC One but i'm really tempted to get the S4, as i've come across a few speed bumps that for me are a bit annoying.
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To answer the question about the S4, i would say that until the octa is widely available (probably later on this year, like they did with the LTE version of the S3) it's safe to say that development for the snapdragon is going to be vastly superior in comparison.
Even if they bring out the Octa to the masses, chances are development will be so far ahead with the snapdragon then it'll be pointless getting it.
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They already moved to Xperia Z
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Do you lose Samsung specific features like finger hovering if you use AOSP roms like CM?
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Do you lose Samsung specific features like finger hovering if you use AOSP roms like CM?
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dladz said:
To answer the question about the S4, i would say that until the octa is widely available (probably later on this year, like they did with the LTE version of the S3) it's safe to say that development for the snapdragon is going to be vastly superior in comparison.
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Wont matter as Samsung refuses to release proper documentation on any Exynos chip. So even if every samsung had the same chip development would be slow going.
I remember reading awhile ago an interview with one of the CM developers saying that he's sick of samsung not updating/releasing their exynos codes and as such he stopped develpoing for samsung devices.
As i'm looking to upgrade my s2 to a new phone I'm wondering if we'll see better support from samsung for the developers this time.
any thoughts?
two words- ignore exynos
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I remember reading awhile ago an interview with one of the CM developers saying that he's sick of samsung not updating/releasing their exynos codes and as such he stopped develpoing for samsung devices.
As i'm looking to upgrade my s2 to a new phone I'm wondering if we'll see better support from samsung for the developers this time.
any thoughts?
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i9505 is a much better choice if you want the stock Android experience. Don't know if you missed it, but Google are launching a Google Edition of the S4(SD600 version), which means it'll be much better supported than the i9500.
yeah just a shame that the exynos version is the only version you can buy in some country's(mine included)
would be much easier buying that one over the GE one!
check areas of custom rom, there more for exynos.
lol I got the qualcom version. haven't seen exynos version is that the I9500 ?
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lol I got the qualcom version. haven't seen exynos version is that the I9500 ?
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Exynos version is i9500 (plus I believe one Korean version and one Chinese version). Which so far has no CM/AOSP support whatsoever. All of the former Exynos CM maintainers have stopped working with Samsungs, leaving only those who worked with Snapdragon-based Samsungs (of which there were quite a few...) still working on Samsung devices. So far not a single person with a track record of doing good CM bringups/maintenance has stated their intention to touch the Exynos variant.
Snapdragon versions are I9505, I337, M919, not sure what the Verizon and Sprint versions are. M919 got CM support from Cyanogen himself within a day or two of launch, and all other Snapdragon versions are just needing maintainers. Of the Snapdragon versions, the I9505 seems to be getting the least attention. (Except for maybe the bootloader-locked I337...) But the I9505 can leverage M919 and other Snapdragon work, the Exynos version stands on its own, sharing nothing with any other device.
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Exynos version is i9500 (plus I believe one Korean version and one Chinese version). Which so far has no CM/AOSP support whatsoever. All of the former Exynos CM maintainers have stopped working with Samsungs, leaving only those who worked with Snapdragon-based Samsungs (of which there were quite a few...) still working on Samsung devices. So far not a single person with a track record of doing good CM bringups/maintenance has stated their intention to touch the Exynos variant.
Snapdragon versions are I9505, I337, M919, not sure what the Verizon and Sprint versions are. M919 got CM support from Cyanogen himself within a day or two of launch, and all other Snapdragon versions are just needing maintainers. Of the Snapdragon versions, the I9505 seems to be getting the least attention. (Except for maybe the bootloader-locked I337...) But the I9505 can leverage M919 and other Snapdragon work, the Exynos version stands on its own, sharing nothing with any other device.
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some people are trying port cm to exynos but with no samsung support must be painful, samething happen with gs3
Hi Everyone,
I just took delivery of my new S4 Exynos (Octa) and am surprised how few custom ROMS are out there for this device.
I had an S3 and so I'm kinda used to being spoilt for choice when it came to custom ROMS.
Any ideas why there's but a few for the Octa? Is it because of the chipset?
I saw Cyanogen have said they nt going to release any ROMS for the Octa
device is relatively new, exynos always gave headaches to devs of CM.....
give it time, some people said its not worth upgrading from an s3 so... yeah less custom ROMs
Really its a bitter truth...9500 has only 2 or 3 Devs till now with no update and fixes in lias 2 or 3 weeks ..that section seems like ghost busted :
9505 too has not as many Devs as HTC One has...however it has quite good dev support
I think after so many issues in s4 Devs are skipping it [probably] for note 3
lets wait and see in the near future if the outcome is bad, its hammer time !
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Hi Everyone,
I just took delivery of my new S4 Exynos (Octa) and am surprised how few custom ROMS are out there for this device.
I had an S3 and so I'm kinda used to being spoilt for choice when it came to custom ROMS.
Any ideas why there's but a few for the Octa? Is it because of the chipset?
I saw Cyanogen have said they nt going to release any ROMS for the Octa
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To be clear - CM rarely says that a given device will NEVER be supported. The last time we did that was with the Snapdragon S1 and CM9 - That hardware was simply too weak to support ICS and later.
However, all of the CM maintainers that have worked with past Exynos variants refuse to touch it, and anyone else with maintainer experience saw what we went through with Exynos4 and also seem to be avoiding it.
There is always the possibility that someone new will pick things up - but honestly, I consider the likelihood to be very slim.
So CM support for the "Octa" is POSSIBLE - but it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY. I think that AndreiLux was the only experienced low-level (kernels, platform bringup) developer to touch the "Octa", and he's not particularly happy with it so far.
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So CM support for the "Octa" is POSSIBLE - but it is HIGHLY UNLIKELY. I think that AndreiLux was the only experienced low-level (kernels, platform bringup) developer to touch the "Octa", and he's not particularly happy with it so far.
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Other than the CCI fiasco I'm relatively fine with the phone. I expected and was prepared to bring MP to the device but I guess that's not happening.
As for CM, I think it's more of a problem of lack of interest than actual technical feasibility. I'd happily dwell into the device platform world if I had time but that's not happening anytime soon as I have a backlog of features in the kernel space to do and finish.
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Other than the CCI fiasco I'm relatively fine with the phone. I expected and was prepared to bring MP to the device but I guess that's not happening.
As for CM, I think it's more of a problem of lack of interest than actual technical feasibility. I'd happily dwell into the device platform world if I had time but that's not happening anytime soon as I have a backlog of features in the kernel space to do and finish.
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Gboss01 said:
Hi Everyone,
I just took delivery of my new S4 Exynos (Octa) and am surprised how few custom ROMS are out there for this device.
I had an S3 and so I'm kinda used to being spoilt for choice when it came to custom ROMS.
Any ideas why there's but a few for the Octa? Is it because of the chipset?
I saw Cyanogen have said they nt going to release any ROMS for the Octa
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No CM support does not equal to no dev support just to be clear. There are top.devs here ( Indie and Wanam) and there most likely be more devs to join the party. It is however a surprise that there's only a few Roms for this device at the moment.
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Well because most of the S4 users have the Snapdragon variant. As for CM, as Entropy said, its most probably not going to come out for our device, even if it does, it'll be broken and unusable due to lack of source code/documentation, etc. As for the custom ROMs, we'll have more of them but the best one IMO - Android Revolution HD - is very unlikely for our device.
The Octa is such a great phone yet the support seems to be lacking a little, I mean my Huawei U8800 had more development going on than this phone.
I dont get why alot of people are saying the Octa is crap compared to the S600 when the Octa beats the S600 in every benchmark I've seen.
Is the S600 an easier design to build custom ROMS for?
I have tried Doc Barebones ROM and Wanams Lite ROM. Both work well on the Octa but I found Docs ROM to the give me the highest Antutu scores, always above 30000 with the highest being 30890. Wanam's ROM didn't yield much more than the stock ROM, around 28300, same with the Omega v4 ROM.
I'm back to on the stock firmware, with bloatware removed, for now. having tried those three ROMS I'm itching to try another but alas I cant find any :crying:
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Is the S600 an easier design to build custom ROMS for?
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Yes as Qualcomm is much more open source than Exynos. Not open source = pain in the a** to develop.
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Yes as Qualcomm is much more open source than Exynos. Not open source = pain in the a** to develop.
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Damn!
I read some where that Samsung might release the source code for the exynos. Is this true?
And if they did would that make it any easie rto develop ROMS for the Octa?
Just simply harder to develop anything for Exynos, i think.
I'd like to remind everyone that developers spend their own time and money on development.
Basically, unless the developer has a strong interest in a device he will not feel obliged to 'hack' features such as camera, noise canceling and so on.
I miss the old days of the HD2
I hope we can get CM on the 9500 because it will open the door for AOKP and Paranoid-Android and possibly MIUI.
Good luck to the developers.
RIP on i9500 haha just joking ... @AndreiLux are u giving up on i9500 ? oh please dont
As Entropy512 said, the problem is mostly because Exynos has terrible source code support. There are a lot of precompiled modules in the source, and these are tied to the Android version that the source code is for. This means that when a new version of Android comes out, you're stuck waiting for Samsung to catch up.
What the devs (like Entropy) have been trying to do is to create open-source versions of these modules, so that they're not reliant on Samsung. This has been extremely frustrating for them, requiring a lot of work for very little gain.
What would be ideal is for Samsung to provide source code and documentation for these precompiled modules. They're promised to do this several times, but so far have only delivered some code that only works for a reference board, not for the hardware configurations that any of their phones use. Even worse, the source code that is available is based on Gingerbread, and has numerous hacks applied to allow it to work with ICS. In short, it's just broken and will not work.
Qualcomm (Snapdragon), on the other hand, provide very good developer support. They and Texas Instruments (OMAP) have a very good reputation with the devs, with lots of source code and documentation available. That's why Snapdragon and OMAP phones are among the first to be supported when new versions of AOSP/AOKP/CM come out.
The I9500 may do better in the benchmarks than the I9505, but that's one of the few advantages it has.
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I am not really interested in anything else but AOSP / CM on this phone. We badly need it.. I think we need to build the force on Twitter so that we can bombard their twitter account (@SamsungExynos) and force them to release at least some sorta source for Exynos.
I already started tweeting them like hell. Yes, they do reply with kind of SAFE sided replies..
Gboss01 said:
Damn!
I read some where that Samsung might release the source code for the exynos. Is this true?
And if they did would that make it any easie rto develop ROMS for the Octa?
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If they did it would make the world of difference and Exynos would be on a level playing field in development terms as the likes of Snapdragon. Unfortunately, Samsung have been saying that since the original Galaxy S and it still hasn't happened, and it's clear they never intended to release anything and it was nothing more than lip service in an attempt to sell more handsets by appearing developer friendly. It's broken promises like this which has made reputable developers wash their hands with the Exynos chipset and any phones that use it. Unfortunately, this leaves people with the I9500 in a bit of a predicament if they're not fond of TW as it's likely to be their only option for the foreseeable, if not full stop.
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Damn!
I read some where that Samsung might release the source code for the exynos. Is this true?
And if they did would that make it any easie rto develop ROMS for the Octa?
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Exynos open source? Highly unlikely and yes it would be much easier building roms, devs wouldn't even need to have the device to build a working ROM.
gdonanthony said:
RIP on i9500 haha just joking ... @AndreiLux are u giving up on i9500 ? oh please dont
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He never said that, on the contrary he might be having some big plans
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I am currently owning the Galaxy S6 but I really want to sell it and buy the s7 just because i want to use microsdcards again and whatherproofness is also very cool for me
so something what i really care about is development for the device wich i will buy...
i am pritty sure that the Qualcomm S7 will get Cm builds maybe also official builds but i live in germany where the Qualcomm variant is not sold. so i will need to stick with the exynos version.
the galaxy s6 also has CM aviable with its exynos processor... since now all Galaxy S (exynos) devices got cm in any time:
- Galaxy S2
- Galaxy S3
- Galaxy S4 exynos
- Galaxy S5 exynos (very buggy build tho)
- Galaxy S6
what do u think about cm on Galaxy S7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/how-to/developer-discussion-custom-kernels-t3338351
No custom kernel thus far.
BTW, S2~6 are official builds?
From what I gather, Samsung has nearly zero motivation to contribute to open source and custom roms, unlike Motorola, Sony, HTC, etc. Which makes it kinda hard for devs to support their phones.
If you have an inside contact at Samsung, by all means let them know.
It has been discussed on so many topics already... CM (or any aosp type of rom for that matter) is pretty much impossible on the Exynos, even if someone gets something to boot, it will always be super broken and full of bugs. As for the Snapdragon variant.. CM should be very possible I guess but the problem is, it seems like every variant that comes with the snapdragon cpu has their bootloaders locked to hell... so... Until someone figures out a way to unlock the bootloaders... No luck there either. If your reason for buying an S7 is development and AOSP projects... I suggest you buy some other phone.
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It has been discussed on so many topics already... CM (or any aosp type of rom for that matter) is pretty much impossible on the Exynos, even if someone gets something to boot, it will always be super broken and full of bugs. As for the Snapdragon variant.. CM should be very possible I guess but the problem is, it seems like every variant that comes with the snapdragon cpu has their bootloaders locked to hell... so... Until someone figures out a way to unlock the bootloaders... No luck there either. If your reason for buying an S7 is development and AOSP projects... I suggest you buy some other phone.
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the fact ist that they have said the same for galaxy s3 exynos and galaxy s6 exynos
both have pritty much stable builds.
i am using aosp or cm roms only when the phone gets outdated and getting no update from samsung.
so this isnt that important to me
<galaxylove> said:
the fact ist that they have said the same for galaxy s3 exynos and galaxy s6 exynos
both have pritty much stable builds.
i am using aosp or cm roms only when the phone gets outdated and getting no update from samsung.
so this isnt that important to me
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* What’s working */
Basic 2D graphics
Wi-Fi
AP hotspot
Audio
Microphone
SMS/MMS/Mobile Data(3G, LTE)
Call
Sensors
NFC
LED(WIP)
MTP
Suspend(deep-sleep)
/* What’s not working */
Camera
GPS
Hardware accelerated video/audio encoding/decoding
Proper 3D graphics
Listing network operator
Everything else.
Even what’s listed on “What’s working” has room to improve and may have some serious bugs.
With 2D graphics, there are noticeable framedrops and tearing
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is that your idea of stable?
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is that your idea of stable?
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no but the rom is at least useable...
the galaxy s3 has very good dev support this is clear...
they said also for both devices that it is fully impossible. but actually the devs made it
<galaxylove> said:
no but the rom is at least useable...
the galaxy s3 has very good dev support this is clear...
they said also for both devices that it is fully impossible. but actually the devs made it
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no it's not usable, sorry. even 2D graphics are broken in it. Unless Samsung has a change of heart and releases the full source for Exynos phones, forget it. And Samsung having is a change of heart is never gonna happen since almost all their customers don't care about root/custom Roms. The only hope is someone figuring out how to unlock the bootloaders on the Qualcomm variants
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no it's not usable, sorry. even 2D graphics are broken in it. Unless Samsung has a change of heart and releases the full source for Exynos phones, forget it. And Samsung having is a change of heart is never gonna happen since almost all their customers don't care about root/custom Roms. The only hope is someone figuring out how to unlock the bootloaders on the Qualcomm variants
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This is the problem every year with Samsung phones. It is not Samsung Mobile division that does not release the Exynos sources, there are other divisions of Samsung which will simply not allow the Exynos sources to be released (for newer devices)
http://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-exynos-and-aosp-explained-a-story-of-betrayal/
http://www.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7-bootloader-lock-explained-you-might-not-get-aosp-after-all/
Best bet would be someone found a hack on Snapdragons to root the phones and then install custom ROM.
For Exynos I think we can safely say goodbyes. Anything else is wishful thinking. Sorry to say that but I think that's true. (or you can start a 100-day hunger strike in front of the Samsung HQ and see how it goes.)
I am a student from china but now I study in germany and get the SD820 version from china....
007zzz said:
I am a student from china but now I study in germany and get the SD820 version from china....
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I would get the Mi5, its has already an rather stable CM13 out.
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I would get the Mi5, its has already an rather stable CM13 out.
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Mi5 doesn't have microSD card and uses Type-C cables.
Not to mention that the radio firmware is probably bugged by the Chinese government.
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Mi5 doesn't have microSD card and uses Type-C cables.
Not to mention that the radio firmware is probably bugged by the Chinese government.
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It has 128 GB internal storage and Type C cables thats an plus in my book.
I have this feeling where i really just like sansumg's phones hardware and in special it's new look, but then is the fact that my S5(exynos) still stuck in 5.0 bugged as hell rom and there still no 6.0. The Qualcomm counter part have great CM support but there still nothing for the S7.
I will probably have to get either a nexus(2016) or a Huawei p9 which looks really nice too, also I'm thinking about the HTC 10 mmm.