I remember reading awhile ago an interview with one of the CM developers saying that he's sick of samsung not updating/releasing their exynos codes and as such he stopped develpoing for samsung devices.
As i'm looking to upgrade my s2 to a new phone I'm wondering if we'll see better support from samsung for the developers this time.
any thoughts?
two words- ignore exynos
tal123 said:
I remember reading awhile ago an interview with one of the CM developers saying that he's sick of samsung not updating/releasing their exynos codes and as such he stopped develpoing for samsung devices.
As i'm looking to upgrade my s2 to a new phone I'm wondering if we'll see better support from samsung for the developers this time.
any thoughts?
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i9505 is a much better choice if you want the stock Android experience. Don't know if you missed it, but Google are launching a Google Edition of the S4(SD600 version), which means it'll be much better supported than the i9500.
yeah just a shame that the exynos version is the only version you can buy in some country's(mine included)
would be much easier buying that one over the GE one!
check areas of custom rom, there more for exynos.
lol I got the qualcom version. haven't seen exynos version is that the I9500 ?
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lol I got the qualcom version. haven't seen exynos version is that the I9500 ?
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Exynos version is i9500 (plus I believe one Korean version and one Chinese version). Which so far has no CM/AOSP support whatsoever. All of the former Exynos CM maintainers have stopped working with Samsungs, leaving only those who worked with Snapdragon-based Samsungs (of which there were quite a few...) still working on Samsung devices. So far not a single person with a track record of doing good CM bringups/maintenance has stated their intention to touch the Exynos variant.
Snapdragon versions are I9505, I337, M919, not sure what the Verizon and Sprint versions are. M919 got CM support from Cyanogen himself within a day or two of launch, and all other Snapdragon versions are just needing maintainers. Of the Snapdragon versions, the I9505 seems to be getting the least attention. (Except for maybe the bootloader-locked I337...) But the I9505 can leverage M919 and other Snapdragon work, the Exynos version stands on its own, sharing nothing with any other device.
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Exynos version is i9500 (plus I believe one Korean version and one Chinese version). Which so far has no CM/AOSP support whatsoever. All of the former Exynos CM maintainers have stopped working with Samsungs, leaving only those who worked with Snapdragon-based Samsungs (of which there were quite a few...) still working on Samsung devices. So far not a single person with a track record of doing good CM bringups/maintenance has stated their intention to touch the Exynos variant.
Snapdragon versions are I9505, I337, M919, not sure what the Verizon and Sprint versions are. M919 got CM support from Cyanogen himself within a day or two of launch, and all other Snapdragon versions are just needing maintainers. Of the Snapdragon versions, the I9505 seems to be getting the least attention. (Except for maybe the bootloader-locked I337...) But the I9505 can leverage M919 and other Snapdragon work, the Exynos version stands on its own, sharing nothing with any other device.
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some people are trying port cm to exynos but with no samsung support must be painful, samething happen with gs3
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I would like to know whether you guys will prefer either snapdragon 600 or exynos powered samsung galaxy s4, what it'll do is making it easy for us to understand which one will have more development support, so i'll and many others will buy that one. Thanks
EDIT: Here is Exynos's Benchmark results and comparison with Snapdragon 600 powered S4 and other devices:
Octa-core Galaxy S4 benchmarks surface, live up to expectations
hspa+ in my area is solid plus att lte starting to slow up in my area, i am guessing due to more lte phones. the exynos 5 octa is better in every way it looks like and i prefer touch wiz to cm, it is more productive (imo). i hope to get it in new york when i am up there april 26th in one of the import electronic shops.
You wont find it in store here in the u.s. I prefer exynos chip too but im not getting it due to cost and no lte. Going to renew my contract and get s600 around release. Hoping to find some good deal offerings
I checked the SamMobile website and it said Australia is getting the SD600 but if I only want 3g/2g do I still have to use the SD600 variant. If I can choose I WILL go for the E5O version
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hspa+ in my area is solid plus att lte starting to slow up in my area, i am guessing due to more lte phones. the exynos 5 octa is better in every way it looks like cm, touch wiz is more productive (imo). i hope to get it in new york when i am up there april 26th in one of the import electronic shops.
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I am glad to find that people prefers Exynos more then Snapdragon 600, obviously because it's battery efficient faster, but i guess many of them have to import it, even i guess you also have to import Exynos one from Asia or other region, because i saw Samsung has shortage of Exynos, so 70% will get Snapdragon 600, but in my country there will be only i9500,
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I checked the SamMobile website and it said Australia is getting the SD600 but if I only want 3g/2g do I still have to use the SD600 variant. If I can choose I WILL go for the E5O version
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Yeah this is bit of setback, i wish Samsung must provide LTE Capable phone for everyone, it's not there headache whether a particular country supports it or not, can't really understand these manufacturers logic these days..my main concern is only if we get very fewer number of i9500, then of course development for them will be very minimal, and in my country we'll only get i9500
As per my country I will receive S4 9400.
BTW it is related to Q/A forum.
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As per my country I will receive S4 9400.
BTW it is related to Q/A forum.
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Well i don't think it's related to Q/A Answer section, i feel it should be in General, just like every other similar POLLS on xda.
if india had a choice between 9500/9505 , i would blindly choose exynos. Its not only about the raw power, but about the big little architecture. Cant wait to test it and play around it. defenitely something different than a traditional cpu .
with a7 cores used for movie play back and call and at sleep, i strongly assume the battery would last much longer than any other s4 variants.
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if india had a choice between 9500/9505 , i would blindly choose exynos. Its not only about the raw power, but about the big little architecture. Cant wait to test it and play around it. defenitely something different than a traditional cpu .
with a7 cores used for movie play back and call and at sleep, i strongly assume the battery would last much longer than any other s4 variants.
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This is the reason why i guess people are looking more towards Exynos, i.e. longer battery life, your ideas are really helping me here, my first Exynos device this S4 will be i am searching for some leak to know which 70% countries are getting SD600/i9505, i wish Asia will not
R: POLL: I9500 OR I9505, What will you buy?
In Italy I will choose I9500 version (I don't care about LTE because here it's very expensive and not widespread)
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E5O by miles.
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I'll be purchasing 19500
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I9500 because well, I don't have any other choice. There's no 4G network either in my country.
IF I buy one: I9505.
Exynos makes me mad, I'm developing AOSP ROMs.
Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.
I9500 as I already have htc one with SD600 not that there is anything wrong with SD600 also I dont use 4G so don't need a 4G capable phone.
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Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.
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no surprise here, what if they dont care about aosp? frankly the gap between aosp and stock roms are getting bigger day by day. apart from the sleekness aosp provides it is struggling hard to match the potential of stock roms(not only samsung roms,add htc and sony roms to this list).
xploidwild started a movement some time back to add more functionality to "CM". sadly i dont know the current state of that movement.
Also, the cm support for 9500 would come eventually , but its going to be harder this time with teamhacksung saying no. There are few sources of exynos 5 dual out there somewhere which might help the new cm developers.
I dont want a fully working aosp for 9500, but would be happy to see nightlies just like s2 or s3.
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no surprise here, what if they dont care about aosp? frankly the gap between aosp and stock roms are getting bigger day by day. apart from the sleekness aosp provides it is struggling hard to match the potential of stock roms(not only samsung roms,add htc and sony roms to this list).
xploidwild started a movement some time back to add more functionality to "CM". sadly i dont know the current state of that movement.
Also, the cm support for 9500 would come eventually , but its going to be harder this time with teamhacksung saying no. There are few sources of exynos 5 dual out there somewhere which might help the new cm developers.
I dont want a fully working aosp for 9500, but would be happy to see nightlies just like s2 or s3.
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Don't forget, devices which doesn't get official CM Support still gets unofficial cm ports, like Desire Z etc, we may get unofficial ports, or even cm support lately for Exynos based devices, for example note 3 etc...
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Im suprised that people prefer Exynos. I started considering SGS4 when I saw that SGS4 with Snapdragon CPU will be available in my country
Team Hacksung wont support SGS4 anymore, so it won't get CM (at least not in short future). On other side, Steve Kondik wrote: "Since it's powered by Snapdragon, CM should work wonderfully on it." So we can assume that Exynos SGS4 won't get CM and Snapdragon will get it and will work very good, because Snapdragon is much more opened than Exynos. So when Android 5.0 is released in about 2 months, Exynos SGS4 will have to wait months for official update, while Snapdragon SGS4 will get Android 5.0 (CM) much sooner.
So for me, i9505 is the only choice.
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It's actually only one member of the team who said that the others came out and said 1 member doesn't speak for the team and that as for every other phone they will never announce supporting or not supporting until a device is actually launched
S4 INFO
When I buy my GS3 When release the development was to high ci only see now 2 or 4 roms why so poor ?? Other fee grear kernels like franco siyah kernel now only have 2 custom kernels
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what version of s4 you have ?
There are quite a few stock ROMs for the I9500 but, in terms of CM10.1 and the like, you will need to wait until someone gets around to overcoming the closed source nature of Exynos the phone contains.
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He has the I9500 as posted by tapatalk sig. The I9505 will have greater development. But it's still relatively new for both models anyway.
U guys think that some one will be close to the sources ?? The i9300 has support for cm
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U guys think that some one will be close to the sources ?? The i9300 has support for cm
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The S3 has CM because the CM team bust a gut to get it working with no help from Samsung. And its still not working 100%. As a result of this and Samsung's broken promises they have decided to swerve the Exynos S4.
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If you want developer support you have to stay away from Exynos. Samsung is an a..hole S4 will be my last Samsung device.
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The S3 has CM because the CM team bust a gut to get it working with no help from Samsung. And its still not working 100%. As a result of this and Samsung's broken promises they have decided to swerve the Exynos S4.
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It helped that the Exynos4 Quad (4412) had a lot of commonality with the Exynos4 Dual (4210) in the GS2.
But it's been no secret since September that the Exynos 4412 was the end of the line for those of us that worked with Exynos unless Samsung made significant changes. Someone else might step up, but it's pretty unlikely IMO. All of the ex-Teamhacksung guys are working with various Qcoms now.
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It helped that the Exynos4 Quad (4412) had a lot of commonality with the Exynos4 Dual (4210) in the GS2.
But it's been no secret since September that the Exynos 4412 was the end of the line for those of us that worked with Exynos unless Samsung made significant changes. Someone else might step up, but it's pretty unlikely IMO. All of the ex-Teamhacksung guys are working with various Qcoms now.
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Coming from a CM member that must be really depressing news for I9500 owners who would rather not be on Touchwiz.
I have the S4 i9500 and the HTC ONE and it looks like the ONE gets lot more attention from the devs...
and that is to bad.. the stock version is very lagy in comparing to the HTC
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I have the S4 i9500 and the HTC ONE and it looks like the ONE gets lot more attention from the devs...
and that is to bad..
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Blame Samsung.
Anyone might have a clue as to when the galaxy note 3 exynos version will get cyanogenmod ?
Thx
Never, sorry bro. I'm in the same boat
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S4 exynos did get cm , but that was ages after cm11 for qualcomm s4 came out.
You might wanna ask devs in i9500 forum for help
Exynos devices exhibit Samsung's greatest disdain for developers. Samsung goes well out of their way to be a PITA by using crappy KNOX in the bootloader and everywhere else. Also the Exynos devices aren't sold in great numbers and not sold at all in North America so many devs don't want (or can't) to take the time on a rare device.
It's too bad bc I see them going on ebay for $350-ish.
Plz where i can download CM11 for G900H
Do you have any reason to believe that CM 11 exists for the 900H?
I haven't seen anything that indicates it is even planned. The CM 11 thread here clearly states Qualcomm support only for the S5. And the requests that I have seen to support the 900H on the Cyanogenmod site have gone unreplied.
Team Hacksung was very reluctant to support the Exynos S4. And it was only recently that forthcoming support for the Exynos N3 was announced. The 900H is a niche device and as such, probably none of the CyanogenMod Developers own one. Which would make it exceedingly hard to develop for even if there was a desire to do so.
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Nobody at Team Hacksung (the team behind Galaxy S2, Note, S3, Note2, G Tabs… official CM ports) plans to buy it, neither develop for it. There are two variants which will be a pain to maintain, [and] the bugs we have on the S3 will probably be there on S4, too (camera), and we all know Samsung ability to release sources while staying in line with mainline. Yes Qualcomm releases sources, but Exynos sources we had were far from [working on] actual Galaxy products. I’m pretty sure the same will happen for this one.
That’s a uniform “no” from us.
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Do you have any reason to believe that CM 11 exists for the 900H?
I haven't seen anything that indicates it is even planned. The CM 11 thread here clearly states Qualcomm support only for the S5. And the requests that I have seen to support the 900H on the Cyanogenmod site have gone unreplied.
Team Hacksung was very reluctant to support the Exynos S4. And it was only recently that forthcoming support for the Exynos N3 was announced. The 900H is a niche device and as such, probably none of the CyanogenMod Developers own one. Which would make it exceedingly hard to develop for even if there was a desire to do so.
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that mean no chance s**t
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that mean no chance s**t
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Sorry for the bad news. I wouldn't say zero chance of support since they ultimately decided to support the N3. But it's not promising either. There simply aren't many 900H phones compared to all of the other S5's that use the Qualcomm rather than Exynos processor. Resulting in tenuous prospects for Exynos support.
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Sorry for the bad news. I wouldn't say zero chance of support since they ultimately decided to support the N3. But it's not promising either. There simply aren't many 900H phones compared to all of the other S5's that use the Qualcomm rather than Exynos processor. Resulting in tenuous prospects for Exynos support.
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thx . to drop test hhhh
I am currently owning the Galaxy S6 but I really want to sell it and buy the s7 just because i want to use microsdcards again and whatherproofness is also very cool for me
so something what i really care about is development for the device wich i will buy...
i am pritty sure that the Qualcomm S7 will get Cm builds maybe also official builds but i live in germany where the Qualcomm variant is not sold. so i will need to stick with the exynos version.
the galaxy s6 also has CM aviable with its exynos processor... since now all Galaxy S (exynos) devices got cm in any time:
- Galaxy S2
- Galaxy S3
- Galaxy S4 exynos
- Galaxy S5 exynos (very buggy build tho)
- Galaxy S6
what do u think about cm on Galaxy S7
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7/how-to/developer-discussion-custom-kernels-t3338351
No custom kernel thus far.
BTW, S2~6 are official builds?
From what I gather, Samsung has nearly zero motivation to contribute to open source and custom roms, unlike Motorola, Sony, HTC, etc. Which makes it kinda hard for devs to support their phones.
If you have an inside contact at Samsung, by all means let them know.
It has been discussed on so many topics already... CM (or any aosp type of rom for that matter) is pretty much impossible on the Exynos, even if someone gets something to boot, it will always be super broken and full of bugs. As for the Snapdragon variant.. CM should be very possible I guess but the problem is, it seems like every variant that comes with the snapdragon cpu has their bootloaders locked to hell... so... Until someone figures out a way to unlock the bootloaders... No luck there either. If your reason for buying an S7 is development and AOSP projects... I suggest you buy some other phone.
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It has been discussed on so many topics already... CM (or any aosp type of rom for that matter) is pretty much impossible on the Exynos, even if someone gets something to boot, it will always be super broken and full of bugs. As for the Snapdragon variant.. CM should be very possible I guess but the problem is, it seems like every variant that comes with the snapdragon cpu has their bootloaders locked to hell... so... Until someone figures out a way to unlock the bootloaders... No luck there either. If your reason for buying an S7 is development and AOSP projects... I suggest you buy some other phone.
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the fact ist that they have said the same for galaxy s3 exynos and galaxy s6 exynos
both have pritty much stable builds.
i am using aosp or cm roms only when the phone gets outdated and getting no update from samsung.
so this isnt that important to me
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the fact ist that they have said the same for galaxy s3 exynos and galaxy s6 exynos
both have pritty much stable builds.
i am using aosp or cm roms only when the phone gets outdated and getting no update from samsung.
so this isnt that important to me
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* What’s working */
Basic 2D graphics
Wi-Fi
AP hotspot
Audio
Microphone
SMS/MMS/Mobile Data(3G, LTE)
Call
Sensors
NFC
LED(WIP)
MTP
Suspend(deep-sleep)
/* What’s not working */
Camera
GPS
Hardware accelerated video/audio encoding/decoding
Proper 3D graphics
Listing network operator
Everything else.
Even what’s listed on “What’s working” has room to improve and may have some serious bugs.
With 2D graphics, there are noticeable framedrops and tearing
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is that your idea of stable?
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is that your idea of stable?
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no but the rom is at least useable...
the galaxy s3 has very good dev support this is clear...
they said also for both devices that it is fully impossible. but actually the devs made it
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no but the rom is at least useable...
the galaxy s3 has very good dev support this is clear...
they said also for both devices that it is fully impossible. but actually the devs made it
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no it's not usable, sorry. even 2D graphics are broken in it. Unless Samsung has a change of heart and releases the full source for Exynos phones, forget it. And Samsung having is a change of heart is never gonna happen since almost all their customers don't care about root/custom Roms. The only hope is someone figuring out how to unlock the bootloaders on the Qualcomm variants
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no it's not usable, sorry. even 2D graphics are broken in it. Unless Samsung has a change of heart and releases the full source for Exynos phones, forget it. And Samsung having is a change of heart is never gonna happen since almost all their customers don't care about root/custom Roms. The only hope is someone figuring out how to unlock the bootloaders on the Qualcomm variants
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This is the problem every year with Samsung phones. It is not Samsung Mobile division that does not release the Exynos sources, there are other divisions of Samsung which will simply not allow the Exynos sources to be released (for newer devices)
http://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-exynos-and-aosp-explained-a-story-of-betrayal/
http://www.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s7-bootloader-lock-explained-you-might-not-get-aosp-after-all/
Best bet would be someone found a hack on Snapdragons to root the phones and then install custom ROM.
For Exynos I think we can safely say goodbyes. Anything else is wishful thinking. Sorry to say that but I think that's true. (or you can start a 100-day hunger strike in front of the Samsung HQ and see how it goes.)
I am a student from china but now I study in germany and get the SD820 version from china....
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I am a student from china but now I study in germany and get the SD820 version from china....
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I would get the Mi5, its has already an rather stable CM13 out.
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I would get the Mi5, its has already an rather stable CM13 out.
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Mi5 doesn't have microSD card and uses Type-C cables.
Not to mention that the radio firmware is probably bugged by the Chinese government.
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Mi5 doesn't have microSD card and uses Type-C cables.
Not to mention that the radio firmware is probably bugged by the Chinese government.
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It has 128 GB internal storage and Type C cables thats an plus in my book.
I have this feeling where i really just like sansumg's phones hardware and in special it's new look, but then is the fact that my S5(exynos) still stuck in 5.0 bugged as hell rom and there still no 6.0. The Qualcomm counter part have great CM support but there still nothing for the S7.
I will probably have to get either a nexus(2016) or a Huawei p9 which looks really nice too, also I'm thinking about the HTC 10 mmm.