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[Q] Windows 8

Does anyone know if it will be possible to boot Windows 8 on the Asus Eee pad once it has been released?

Unfortunately I doubt there will be support for the Tegra hardware in windows. From what I have seen of the tablets out there Nvidia based units are Android and Intel Atom are Windows.

stujuk said:
Unfortunately I doubt there will be support for the Tegra hardware in windows. From what I have seen of the tablets out there Nvidia based units are Android and Intel Atom are Windows.
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Windows 8 will be arm enabled. Whether or not the bootloader on the tab will boot it, nobody knows.

ryan stewart said:
Windows 8 will be arm enabled. Whether or not the bootloader on the tab will boot it, nobody knows.
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Nevermind Windows itself, the software won't work anyway until (if) they make an arm version of it.

[Q]win 8 on eee pad transformer

and now...after coming windows 8 i like to install it on my eee pad transformer....
i know it's not available right now....but my Q is that...
will i be able to install windows 8 on my eee pad transformer or not????

Technically you can because the Tegra chip runs on the ARM architecture and Windows 8 will be supported on ARM but the effort required to do this would be immense as new drivers need to be created and finding a way of installing it onto the system needs to be found.

I just worry about the rom size. If win8 arm version is stronger than wp7, maybe the system size will be bigger. Another question is the bootloader. I think we perhaps see the wp7 ported on pad first, then it is possible to see eight. Win8 is more to do than wp7. I think wp7 and win8 are brothers. MS said no wp7 on pad. But is doesn＇t mean wp7 can＇t. And wp7 pad version maybe is win8 arm. You can find win8 arm version is still a mistery. Just a little pictures and no video. PC version must different with arm version. That is why no more news. So just wait for the devs to port wp7 first. But until now no tegra wp7 phone released.
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liu2002 said:
I just worry about the rom size. If win8 arm version is stronger than wp7, maybe the system size will be bigger. Another question is the bootloader. I think we perhaps see the wp7 ported on pad first, then it is possible to see eight. Win8 is more to do than wp7. I think wp7 and win8 are brothers. MS said no wp7 on pad. But is doesn＇t mean wp7 can＇t. And wp7 pad version maybe is win8 arm. You can find win8 arm version is still a mistery. Just a little pictures and no video. PC version must different with arm version. That is why no more news. So just wait for the devs to port wp7 first. But until now no tegra wp7 phone released.
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Win7 is for x86 architectures
Win 8 for x86 and ARM
So the only one which could work on the transformer is win8

elmonch said:
Win7 is for x86 architectures
Win 8 for x86 and ARM
So the only one which could work on the transformer is win8
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He's talking about WP7, windows phone 7, or MS's ARM-based cell-phone OS.

Dual booting Windows 8 and ICS

First of all, if there's already a thread about this, sorry I didn't see it but I searched.
My question is will there be a way to dual boot Windows 8 and ICS (or whatever Android we have during Win 8 tablet releases)? I've seen all the dual boot tablets introduced at Computex and INSTANTLY fell in love with the idea of having both the OS'es at my fingertips, but at the same time I know the official solutions will be unnecessarily expensive.
I was wondering if it's theoretically possible to buy a dedicated Windows 8 tablet, not the RT version, and eventually mod it to run Android. This will make my fall purchase of a tablet so much easier.

Not possible if the tablet has windows 8 ARM installed
If a tablet comes with Windows 8 ARM Preinstalled, you basically can't dual boot ICS on it. Why? Because Windows 8 for ARM requires the tablet manufacturer to enable secure boot on those devices. Thus, enabling secure boot won't let you dual boot Win8 and Android on it. Microsoft is very clever, they do really start to block linux and lock the tablets to Windows 8 ARM only.

mrchezco1995 said:
If a tablet comes with Windows 8 ARM Preinstalled, you basically can't dual boot ICS on it. Why? Because Windows 8 for ARM requires the tablet manufacturer to enable secure boot on those devices. Thus, enabling secure boot won't let you dual boot Win8 and Android on it. Microsoft is very clever, they do really start to block linux and lock the tablets to Windows 8 ARM only.
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Yea I know you can't do it with the ARM tablets, that's the windows rt version. I was asking towards the other regular Windows 8 tablets. Can you dual boot ICS on those?

iiDeadSeriousii said:
Yea I know you can't do it with the ARM tablets, that's the windows rt version. I was asking towards the other regular Windows 8 tablets. Can you dual boot ICS on those?
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Ohh... If a tablet comes with an Intel or AMD processor inside and not ARM, then this will be possible. You can dualboot Win8 and ICS on it

mrchezco1995 said:
Ohh... If a tablet comes with an Intel or AMD processor inside and not ARM, then this will be possible. You can dualboot Win8 and ICS on it
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Cool, is this already being done? Can you link if possible? I tried searching but couldn't find anything. This just made my tablet shopping a lot easier for the fall.

Android is Open Source and Windows 8 is commercial so.............

iiDeadSeriousii said:
Cool, is this already being done? Can you link if possible? I tried searching but couldn't find anything. This just made my tablet shopping a lot easier for the fall.
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Yes, you can run Android on x86, but many of the native apps won't work as they're made for arm processors. Take a look here: http://www.android-x86.org/

intel is putting its medfield CPUs, which are x86 atom-based SoCs, into android smartphones right now. Expect to see the same chips in W8 tablets. with that said, it should be fairly likely to see a dualbooting tablet.
also, i'd like to point you towards the Asus Tranformer AiO, shown off at Computex.

iiDeadSeriousii said:
Cool, is this already being done? Can you link if possible? I tried searching but couldn't find anything. This just made my tablet shopping a lot easier for the fall.
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It's already been done on some PCs, Laptops, and including a windows tablet. Check it out here
Take note that this is only Android-x86. A ported version of android for x86 devices
You can find the Android-x86 project here
Here's what a tablet with Windows 8 RT inside http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR5Xh_1U35s

Would it be possible to run x86 windows 8 on the new medfield phones like the Orange San Diego and the Lava Xolo?
It would be interesting to run the metro ui on the smartphone itself but it will get better if you just hook up your phone to a monitor/laptop dock and enjoy a windows desktop experience (like the motorola atrix and this).
I have always been a fan of the OQO UMPC and this would be the modern version of that.

thank you

I have dual boot on a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 (which has a x86 Intel processor) with Windows 8 Release Preview and Android ICS.
First I installed Win8 using a boot stick which you can create using this tool and the cd image you downloaded. Then I shrinked the size of the Windows partition to free up some space for Android.
Then I used the latest Atom image from Android x86 to install Android from another boot stick using this tool.
When installing Android don't forget to install GRUB boot loader.
Once you done that you can choose which OS to boot every time you start the device. Unfortunately it doesn't work using touch. You have to have a USB keyboard attached to choose the entry that is not default (in this case Windows 8).

cypher49 said:
Would it be possible to run x86 windows 8 on the new medfield phones like the Orange San Diego and the Lava Xolo?
It would be interesting to run the metro ui on the smartphone itself but it will get better if you just hook up your phone to a monitor/laptop dock and enjoy a windows desktop experience (like the motorola atrix and this).
I have always been a fan of the OQO UMPC and this would be the modern version of that.
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I think running Win8 on a Phone with a x86 cpu like the medfield atoms from intel is possible, but you can't run metro apps on the phone's screen itself because the phone only has a resolution of 1024x600. Metro apps requires 1024x768 in order to run and in order to use "snap", a resolution of 1366x768 is required. So I think you need to hook up a mouse and a keyboard on the phone in order to enjoy the new metro feature of Windows 8 on a phone hooked up to your HDTV

Memphizzz said:
I have dual boot on a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 (which has a x86 Intel processor) with Windows 8 Release Preview and Android ICS.
First I installed Win8 using a boot stick which you can create using this tool and the cd image you downloaded. Then I shrinked the size of the Windows partition to free up some space for Android.
Then I used the latest Atom image from Android x86 to install Android from another boot stick using this tool.
When installing Android don't forget to install GRUB boot loader.
Once you done that you can choose which OS to boot every time you start the device. Unfortunately it doesn't work using touch. You have to have a USB keyboard attached to choose the entry that is not default (in this case Windows 8).
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Uhh no. Galaxy Tab 10.1s use the ARM nVidia Tegra 2 SOC and are pre loaded with android honeycomb unless you have a unique version that no one else in the world does and no one has heard about.
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Memphizzz said:
I have dual boot on a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 (which has a x86 Intel processor) with Windows 8 Release Preview and Android ICS.
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Hey there's no Galaxy Tab with a x86 processor (Intel or AMD). If there's a samsung tab with a x86 cpu on it, then it's not on the galaxy series.
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Sorry I meant Samsung Slate 7 tablet which has a Core i5 processor...
Anyway, the method above should work with any device running an Intel processor.

@OP, Seeing as Asus has a Transformer AiO that does exactly what you said, then yes its possible

Memphizzz said:
Sorry I meant Samsung Slate 7 tablet which has a Core i5 processor...
Anyway, the method above should work with any device running an Intel processor.
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Ohh... So that's why. Hehe. Anyone makes mistakes right? Hehe. Don't worry
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Memphizzz said:
Sorry I meant Samsung Slate 7 tablet which has a Core i5 processor...
Anyway, the method above should work with any device running an Intel processor.
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Ah OK. Sorry if I came off as an ass about it.
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i'm running windows8 and ICS with dual boot on ExoPC tablet xD
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Do you Think Dual Boot Win8 RT and Android will be possible?

Hi guys,
I always dreamed about real Windows on Tablets. Now it's possible. Do you guys think it will be possible to develop Dual boot on those Win 8 RT devices or even powered enough Android Tablets of the Future?
Thx in advance for your opinions.
cheers

No.
Windows 8 tablets and phones have a security chip which prevents any code, other than windows, from being run at start-up.

Secure Boot should prevent any code not signed by a known certificate from being run - this will include all Android kernels unless they are signed by the manufacturer and the according signature loaded into the UEFI's store.
So unless someone finds a way to crack the UEFI on a certain device that is a no.

Oh my god why would they do that? The appstore? Damn baddest News this year -.-
But thank you For your answers.
Cheers
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Someone will crack it, just don't expect it to be any time soon.

I hope so, i think it's an pretty mainstream want. So the chances are good that many devs will try this and one Magic Dev will do it...:fingers-crossed:
I have waited from the IP1 until IP4 to buy an Smartphone. Because before it was just useless playstuff. (for me) So i can wait at least 1 or 2 Generations for this. I don't think about buying an RT device now or even this year.
cheers

I think Intel tablets will have an option to disable Secure Boot. Might be worth taking a look at some Clovertrail tablets - they should have decent battery life.
On the Windows side, you'll be able to use Windows 8 instead of RT.
Not sure how well Android works on Intel. I'd suggest doing some reading before spending any money.

No serious person will buy RT especially when you can get real Windows/Pro for the same price.
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Windows RT is not an operating system, it is a framework (why it is called Run Time) in which all metro apps are developed.
Tablets will come with windows 8 pro but with desktop frameworks disabled (who would use a desktop on a tablet anyway?), so you will be stacked with the metro interface (the mythical RT) which was created for the sole purpose of using on a tablet.
You won't explicitly buy "Windows RT" just as you don't explicitly buy "Windows Phone"

That's actually wrong. There is Windows 8 (the follow up to the previous Home Editions) and Windows 8 Pro (the follow up to the previous Professional Editions). Then there is Windows RT which is the ARM version of Windows 8 and yes they call it Windows RT.
Then there is the APIs which are called WinRT, as in Win32 for the Desktop APIs. In that regard Windows RT is a version of Windows where there is no access to Win32.
Yes Microsoft naming conventions are as confusing as this, see here for Microsoft's own comparison chart: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows/compare

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Runtime
They call it WIndows RT because that's the basic framework in which it runs.
WindowsRT is, by all means, a runtime and not a complete operating system. They used this naming convention so that they do not confuse the developers (WinRT is actually integrated in windows 8 and windows 8 pro). However, their naming convention confuses the customers. Windows RT is not something you buy directly(and therefore can not be classified as a product in their shop, i wonder why the lolz they post it there), and as i said, it comes preinstalled on some devices, just like windows phone is.

magicsquid said:
I think Intel tablets will have an option to disable Secure Boot. Might be worth taking a look at some Clovertrail tablets - they should have decent battery life.
On the Windows side, you'll be able to use Windows 8 instead of RT.
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Windows 8 is for x86/x64
Windows RT is for ARM
No amount of disabling secure boot would allow someone to run Windows 8 on an ARM device or Windows RT on an x86 device.

tai4de2 said:
No amount of disabling secure boot would allow someone to run Windows 8 on an ARM device or Windows RT on an x86 device.
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That's true. However, if you have a Windows 8 tablet, you get almost everything offered by Windows RT and more.
- You can run apps from the Windows Store in Windows 8.
- Same 'Metro' interface on both Windows 8 and Windows RT.
i.e. Windows RT is effectively an ARM version of Windows 8. Both are suitable for use on tablets.
I believe there are some downsides, however:
- No free Office RT in Windows 8.
- Connected standby apparently doesn't work on the more powerful Intel chips (although I believe it is coming in Haswell). I have heard it works in Clovertrail however.
- Possibly thicker devices, worse battery life or need for cooling fans (depending on CPU) on Intel tablets.
Additionally, in Windows 8, you can run old x86 desktop applications, which you can't on RT.

Dell Venue pro 11 windows 8

I plan on picking up a dell venue pro 11 tablet (Baytrail) and was wondering how hard is it to dual boot these tablets? Id like to get android on. Is there a general thread out there?

hackinblack said:
I plan on picking up a dell venue pro 11 tablet (Baytrail) and was wondering how hard is it to dual boot these tablets? Id like to get android on. Is there a general thread out there?
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The asus t100 thread might be relevant. The hardware is near identical.
In its current state, its not looking good. But unlike on the RT tablets and the clovertrail tablets, things do actually attempt to boot, so there is promise for the near future. Android you can get to boot fully, but its unusably slow and buggy.

One of the most used software is Bluestacks which is alright but not excellent, and it runs it sort of like a VM. Not sure you can actually Dual Boot it unless you buy a Dual OS device such as the Asus Transformer Book Trio, there was a Dual Booting software in the works which look promising but there's no news on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6mYtnz9VQs

hackinblack said:
I plan on picking up a dell venue pro 11 tablet (Baytrail) and was wondering how hard is it to dual boot these tablets? Id like to get android on. Is there a general thread out there?
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give me $450 to buy a dell venue pro 11, and I'll get started on it as well
wait for someone with some technical skills and try and post their results... hopefully it's not as bad as the T100

with the t100 you can get into an efi like in this video too boot linux from an usb stick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsp8XFcAS7o
so it should be possible to install different OSs maybe one with a bootloader. shouldn't be to much different on the venue pro because win 8.1 kind of recommends it.
Does anyone know if the venue pro 11 baytrail version has soldered emmc memory or a msata solution for internal storage? i also would like to upgrade to 4gigs of ram to use it as replacement for my old notebook (2gig with no dedicated memory for graphics are really not what i'm hoping for)

Klindworth said:
with the t100 you can get into an efi like in this video too boot linux from an usb stick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsp8XFcAS7o
so it should be possible to install different OSs maybe one with a bootloader. shouldn't be to much different on the venue pro because win 8.1 kind of recommends it.
Does anyone know if the venue pro 11 baytrail version has soldered emmc memory or a msata solution for internal storage? i also would like to upgrade to 4gigs of ram to use it as replacement for my old notebook (2gig with no dedicated memory for graphics are really not what i'm hoping for)
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Memory on all the windows tablets so far has been soldered.
Storage I dont know.
Storage != Memory.

Klindworth said:
with the t100 you can get into an efi like in this video too boot linux from an usb stick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsp8XFcAS7o
so it should be possible to install different OSs maybe one with a bootloader. shouldn't be to much different on the venue pro because win 8.1 kind of recommends it.
Does anyone know if the venue pro 11 baytrail version has soldered emmc memory or a msata solution for internal storage? i also would like to upgrade to 4gigs of ram to use it as replacement for my old notebook (2gig with no dedicated memory for graphics are really not what i'm hoping for)
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It will most likely will come with a soldered memory making it really hard to be user replaceable, as far as I'm aware the Bay trail configuration only comes with 2gb RAM, but that might change in a couple days (November 7th) when this tablet is released. I'd suggest you check prices over at Amazon and Walmart since they're offering the 8 Pro at cheaper prices than Dell.

Hey guys so I have been working on a way to fix our android issues. Currently this is still a proof of concept thing, but I have a sort of dual boot going. I have made a video of it in action.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyLgvlgpExY
Basically it is still really crude, but it is running in virtual box with a program called Genymoiton. It is decently fluid, but the 3D acceleration does not work (I am working on a fix) and the click and hold is still a little buggy because it does not register the tablet as a touchscreen, it does only clicks. This is also being worked on, but hopefully my goal here is to have both systems running inside of each other, so that we can have quick access to both. I will keep you guys posted with what else I can do, and I will probably put up another video sometime soon.

I got the i5 version of the Dell Venue 11 Pro
I'm dual booted between Windows 8 and Android using:
http://consoleos.com/