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[Q] Windows 8 beta Port

has anyone tried porting windows mobile in our deviced

why is the topic windows 8 port ? and you ask for windows mobile ? and why do you want to have THAT ported to an Android device ?

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WM sucks, nobody wants it

Supposedly, I don't expect Windows Mobile 8.
The Windows 8 will carry x86, x64 and ARM support. The Windows 8 dev build released is for x86 and x64 only. Windows is proprietary and closed source. No one is likely to start working on a port unless it's Microsoft themself.
And, most people try to get Android on their Windows Mobile phones. There's no demand for Windows on Android phones.
The case might be totally different for tablets though.

nibras_reeza said:
Supposedly, I don't expect Windows Mobile 8.
The Windows 8 will carry x86, x64 and ARM support. The Windows 8 dev build released is for x86 and x64 only. Windows is proprietary and closed source. No one is likely to start working on a port unless it's Microsoft themself.
And, most people try to get Android on their Windows Mobile phones. There's no demand for Windows on Android phones.
The case might be totally different for tablets though.
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I have the windows 8 32bit beta on one of my old laptops apart from running a few programs linux or android cant its beyond useless!!!!!
Linux was multiuser from the start and because of microsofts monopoly cross platform from the start also open source
Android linux based with a cute face thrown on
Microsoft single user interface a DOS operating enviroment remember 3.0?? it didnt even start as an o/s then over the years tried to morph into 2 things it wasnt multi user and cross platform
Windows 8 is windows seven with a start menu that looks like a flash back to a 1980's resturant menu and blocky as hell
Personally i think they should stick to what there good at desktops and nothing else and even then linux and apple are gonna kill em off sooner or later
Think about it seriously 3 yes 3 big fat flops 3 crap releases 3 failures IN A ROW!!!!! now if apple or linux had done that microsoft would have criticised the **** out of the devs for not having foresight etc etc when will people give them crap they have more money then my whole country and they push out this FML
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well android to wm7 not likely but wm7 to android hell yeah!!! talk about htc hd2

Windows 8 on x86 android devices?

Before anyone says anything, no, this is not another topic asking the stupid, worn out question "can I haz w8 on my kindle fire/nook/transformer prime/galaxySII/ect"
At CES there are several android devices being shown off with x86 processors: Intel atom CPUs. Would it be possible, provided internal storage is big enough, to be able to run the full version of windows 8 on these pieces of hardware? I can't think of any reasons why not, and being able to run full versions of x86 windows off of a cell phone is just amazing. IMHO it'd be worth the price of a seat of windows 8, and dual booting with android ICS sounds incredible. So, is there anything I'm missing? Or would the hardware support it fairly easily? I can't think of any roadblocks, other than the annoyance of installing off of microSD.

I think this must be a new kind of Atom-CPUs that are built for the ARM-architecture on which Android runs? I red somewhere that they wanted to release that Kind of CPUs this year.
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No, they're definitely x86 chips.

If it has BIOS/EFI it will be done

mtmerrick said:
Before anyone says anything, no, this is not another topic asking the stupid, worn out question "can I haz w8 on my kindle fire/nook/transformer prime/galaxySII/ect"
At CES there are several android devices being shown off with x86 processors: Intel atom CPUs. Would it be possible, provided internal storage is big enough, to be able to run the full version of windows 8 on these pieces of hardware? I can't think of any reasons why not, and being able to run full versions of x86 windows off of a cell phone is just amazing. IMHO it'd be worth the price of a seat of windows 8, and dual booting with android ICS sounds incredible. So, is there anything I'm missing? Or would the hardware support it fairly easily? I can't think of any roadblocks, other than the annoyance of installing off of microSD.
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Why bother about it being on x86, windows 8 will run on ARM architecture too if I'm not mistaken

Because putting W8ARM on existing devices is probably impossible and quite likely to be illegal.

Not sure why it would be illegal. If you own a license of the OS, you should be able to run it on whatever you want - unless, like the Apple stuff there's some kind of EULA that states that you specifically can't. I seriously doubt MS would bother to screw with people who tried anyway.
The Developer Preview of W8 is x86/x64 only anyway. Hopefully the beta coming in February will Feb will have arm support. I'm hoping to get it working on a Galaxy Tab 10.1 but who knows?
One potential caveat. I've heard that the ARM version will only work with Metro apps. If that's the case, it will be far less useful. Forget running all that excellent software you already have and know an love.
Greg

Microsoft (and the hardware manufacturers of current Android devices) don't want this to happen on ARM devices, because having an open bootloader and a myriad of Linux distributions would hurt their ecosystems. All ARM W8 tablets will come with locked bootloaders by specification, just like Android ones. Existing Android devices and others like the TouchPad will be very difficult to port this to because the bootloader security is different from current devices. But who wants ARM Windows 8 as the old apps and desktop don't work on it?
Regarding x86: If it's possible on the HTC Shift, it will sure be possible on Medfield (next-gen Atom for phones) devices, especially if the bootloader is open. If it's closed the scene will figure out how to unlock it and install Windows 7/W8/Ubuntu/etc. on it just like on a regular PC, which would mean having access to all legacy apps. Of course dual boot would also be possible.

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Not sure why it would be illegal. If you own a license of the OS, you should be able to run it on whatever you want - unless, like the Apple stuff there's some kind of EULA that states that you specifically can't. I seriously doubt MS would bother to screw with people who tried anyway.
The Developer Preview of W8 is x86/x64 only anyway. Hopefully the beta coming in February will Feb will have arm support. I'm hoping to get it working on a Galaxy Tab 10.1 but who knows?
One potential caveat. I've heard that the ARM version will only work with Metro apps. If that's the case, it will be far less useful. Forget running all that excellent software you already have and know an love.
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Since only OEMs will be able to buy W8 ARM liscences, and liscences are not device transferable, you will not be allowed to port it to a non-liscenced device, just like Windows Mobile or WP7.
And no, W8ARM will not be able to run x86 programs.

I think there's an excellent chance that private users will be able to get a copy of W8 for arm.
And whether or not x86 code will run in the arm version is definitely not settled.
http://www.engadget.com/2012/02/07/desktop-apps-may-run-on-win8-for-arm-after-all-maybe/

I read that article and laughed. Never once did they mention ARM - they were reffering to the 'classic desktop' UI, and they can't decide if W8ARM will be metro only, or have the (for ARM) near useless classic desktop.
Give up all hope that W8ARM will have an emulator built in. Its not going to happen, performance will be so terrible it would alienate customers. W8ARM will not be available to consumers for the same reason WP7 isn't - Microsoft would loose too much control and non-techie customers would be too confused.

Not sure but does this mean windows 8 on a Cisco Cius is possible cause it has an Intel atom processor?
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if it has an atom processor, it should be. as with anything cross-platform, drivers would be an issue, but that shouldn't be too hard to overcome.

That's pretty awesome
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yes right, i am agree with u

I personally hope intel medfield kills off any arm competitors in the windows 8 tablet business. I am not happy with how closed arm can be compared to x86.

The arm architecture is more open than x86. But indeed you can do more on x86 based hardware as there is more software available for it.

moved to general

As long as your x86 Android netbook can boot from USB storage and isn't locked into the OSes that it came with, I guess it could be possible as long as the amount of RAM and internal storage meet the minimum requirements.
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x86 instruction sets are one thing but drivers are a whole different ball game.
But in theory yes, Win 8 x86 could run on x86 android hardware, with several very large assumptions being made
as for ARM, I think we can forget x86 emulation, the overheads would cripple it. To be honest, I personally wouldn't have a use for an ARM tablet, an x86 tablet however would be very useful, so come on Intel, get your finger out and give us some affordable ultra low watt x86 SoCs, keep it cheap an OEMS will trip over them selves buying them, after all, backward compatibility means les overheads for companies and less hassle for users.

[Q] Running Windows on Nexus 10

Hi All,
Has anyone tried to load Windows XP or Windows 7 on the Nexus 10. I know that this could be done due to several articles found even on this forum that this could be done, but I was wondering if anyone tried this on the Nexus 10. See this link for further details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139694
I've also heard that the Bosch isn't working on jellybean. Can someone confirm this please?
At the moment, I can't try this out is my Nexus 10 is still being delivered.
Thanks for your time!!

Why, just why.

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Why, just why.
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I was going to try and install visual studio...
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I'm open to ideas on this one. For example, I know that windows 7/8 could be run from a USB drive. Can I load them from the Nexus 10? Is this even possible?

Hmm, wasn't even aware of a virtual machine being able to be ran on Android lol, this is interesting. An idea I had in the past was to install Windows 98 from aDosBox
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Why, just why.
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Why not? It's a Nexus device, running Android, your open to a lot of experimenting and customization

espionage724 said:
Hmm, wasn't even aware of a virtual machine being able to be ran on Android lol, this is interesting. An idea I had in the past was to install Windows 98 from aDosBox
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I have successfully booted to Win 95 and Win 98 on an Orange San Francisco.
My final aim is to be able to use visual studio though...

This would run incredibly slow. I can't imagine that Visual Studio would be usable for editing much less compiling.
You really should try to learn a new ide or become comfortable with just an editor.
I do almost all of my programming over ssh. When I do have to write Microsoft programs I usually use a mix of Visual Studio and Mono Develop or vim when I'm not close to a PC.

OP DUDE!!! CANCEL THE NEXUS 10!! QUICK before its delivered!!! What you need isn't a fast and powerful flagship android device. You need the ViewSonic Viewpad 10"!!!!!!

Another idea might be to setup a dedicated computer (or a regular computer) and install Splashtop 2, and just remote control it

Cinizzz said:
Hi All,
Has anyone tried to load Windows XP or Windows 7 on the Nexus 10. I know that this could be done due to several articles found even on this forum that this could be done, but I was wondering if anyone tried this on the Nexus 10. See this link for further details: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139694
I've also heard that the Bosch isn't working on jellybean. Can someone confirm this please?
At the moment, I can't try this out is my Nexus 10 is still being delivered.
Thanks for your time!!
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Get a Surface.

dalingrin said:
This would run incredibly slow. I can't imagine that Visual Studio would be usable for editing much less compiling.
You really should try to learn a new ide or become comfortable with just an editor.
I do almost all of my programming over ssh. When I do have to write Microsoft programs I usually use a mix of Visual Studio and Mono Develop or vim when I'm not close to a PC.
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Thanks for your suggestions. I like your ideas, especially ssh. Are there ready made applications for that or you're doing that through a linux os?

Windows 7/8 require x86 CPUs, so you won't be able to run WinXP/7/8 natively on your Nexus 10 due to the ISA differences between ARM SoCs and Intel/AMD x86 CPUs, plus you won't find any drivers for the integrated ARM components. Windows RT is designed to run on ARM-based tablets (like the Surface), but I'd be surprised if you could get it running well (if at all) on any Android tablet- it's not open source and not meant to be modified by the community. If it weren't for the locked bootloader, I believe it would be much easier to start with an RT tablet and port Android to it, but that's not a possibility.
As far as running Visual Studio natively, your best bet is to use RDP (remote desktop), VNC, or similar (Splashtop) to connect to a separate PC. I have actually done this with my HP touchpad as well as my Atrix (via webdock).
Or if you're willing to forgo Microsoft completely, you could wait to see if there's any progress for Ubuntu on the Nexus 10. If Ubuntu can be loaded, you could use the package manager to install development tools like gcc, Eclipse, etc. I know there's plenty of Ubuntu ports for the Tegra3 tablets (Nexus7, Asus Transformer, etc), but whether the Ubuntu community embraces the Exynos processor (inside the N10) remains to be seen.
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I forgot to answer your original question: Bosch is SLOOOOW, since it's virtualizing the x86 hardware on top of ARM. I remember trying to run Windows 98 on my Nexus One and it was practically unusable (but still cool). I would imagine that the A15 processor is several times faster than the old single-core scorpion core in my N1, but still not fast enough to make Windows7 work, and certainly not fast enough to make compiling something in VS.NET worthwhile.
A cheap (<$200) Atom-based netbook will run Win7/8 much better than the N10.

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Windows 7/8 require x86 CPUs, so you won't be able to run WinXP/7/8 natively on your Nexus 10 due to the ISA differences between ARM SoCs and Intel/AMD x86 CPUs, plus you won't find any drivers for the integrated ARM components. Windows RT is designed to run on ARM-based tablets (like the Surface), but I'd be surprised if you could get it running well (if at all) on any Android tablet- it's not open source and not meant to be modified by the community. If it weren't for the locked bootloader, I believe it would be much easier to start with an RT tablet and port Android to it, but that's not a possibility.
As far as running Visual Studio natively, your best bet is to use RDP (remote desktop), VNC, or similar (Splashtop) to connect to a separate PC. I have actually done this with my HP touchpad as well as my Atrix (via webdock).
Or if you're willing to forgo Microsoft completely, you could wait to see if there's any progress for Ubuntu on the Nexus 10. If Ubuntu can be loaded, you could use the package manager to install development tools like gcc, Eclipse, etc. I know there's plenty of Ubuntu ports for the Tegra3 tablets (Nexus7, Asus Transformer, etc), but whether the Ubuntu community embraces the Exynos processor (inside the N10) remains to be seen.
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I forgot to answer your original question: Bosch is SLOOOOW, since it's virtualizing the x86 hardware on top of ARM. I remember trying to run Windows 98 on my Nexus One and it was practically unusable (but still cool). I would imagine that the A15 processor is several times faster than the old single-core scorpion core in my N1, but still not fast enough to make Windows7 work, and certainly not fast enough to make compiling something in VS.NET worthwhile.
A cheap (<$200) Atom-based netbook will run Win7/8 much better than the N10.
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Thanks a lot for this useful explanation!! Some sort of RDP over the web would be enough for me

According to ExtremeTech Samsung is one of the Microsoft's OEMs for Windows RT.
So, if Samsung does release a Windows RT device running on exynos 5250, there is a chance the RT binary could be loaded on Nexus 10..., no?

Why would anyone want to run Win RT on top of Android? For the great selection of Win RT apps?
It's funny, because peeps in the Surface RT forum are excitedly jabbering about getting Bluestacks so they can run Android apps. The grass is always greener on the wrong side of the fence.
Now, if someone were to get iPad apps running on Android, then you've got my interest.
Anyway, I think the grand plan for MS is to get apps to run on all three of their platforms, PC, tab, and phone. The PC will drive app development, and hopefully those apps will also work on the smaller devices. It's kind of Android in reverse, where phones are driving development for tablets--well, in theory at least. The diff is that Android is entrenched in phones, while MS still can't get traction anywhere in mobile.

Windows RT doesn't support Active Directory so it's more or less useless in the corporate environment.
But one reason I would still be interested in running RT on Nexus 10 is it's powerful RT Office 2013 suite.
Of course, MS is working on Office for Android. Hopefully, it will be released soon.

advShor said:
According to ExtremeTech Samsung is one of the Microsoft's OEMs for Windows RT.
So, if Samsung does release a Windows RT device running on exynos 5250, there is a chance the RT binary could be loaded on Nexus 10..., no?
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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..

Watcher64 said:
Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Interesting... Seems Windows RT future has too many unknowns at this point.
Anyway, those who are interested in the subject, may want to check out this long MSDN thread that starts with Sinofsky letter describing, among other things, what OE partners have to do to bundle WOA (Windows-on-ARM) with their chip implementation.

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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Windows RT is solely for ARM devices. Windows 8 is x86/x64. That said, it will take some serious hacking to get RT to run on not sanctioned devices.

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Most likely if Samsung releases a Windows RT Tab, it will run with an X86 cpu, as as far as I know, what I read on Technet, Microsoft is not going to compile for anything other than X86/X64 ..
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Windows RT = ARM. Windows 8 = x86/64.
Microsoft is relying on the confusion to market RT. It has more in common with Windows Phone 8, except with the same UI as Windows 8. None of the same capability as the desktop version- can't join a domain, no active directory support, mandated locked bootloader (no flashing other OSes), signed executables that can only be installed from the official app store. This means that there's no compatibility whatsoever with running apps and games made for previous versions of Windows (ie- no executing exe files). No ability to run Steam and your existing game library. I'm not even sure if it will connect to Samba file shares on the network natively (it may require apps like Android and iOS to do this).
In short, Microsoft crippled RT to the point where it has no real advantages over Android or iOS. Of course, it's not bad, but the Surface and other WinRT tablets are pricing themselves out of the market while relying on market confusion to catch unsuspecting [legacy] Windows users.

You can't install/run a x86 OS on a ARM processor. Not sure why anyone would want to anyways. Windows on tablets has been around for years and guess what it's a big failure. I like Windows and have a triple monitor system at home, and a dual monitor at work, and a personal ultrabook however Windows 7 and earlier were not touch friendly and made for a bad experience on touchscreen computers. If you want "Windows" on your Nexus 10 just RDP into your Windows workstation...

[Q] Installing Windows 8/8.1/RT on a Tegra 4 tablet?

Hello everyone!
This is my first post, so excuse me if I make any mistake, but I precise that I've made some researches before posting here.
So, I pledged the Remix Ultra Tablet on Kickstarter which will run on Android 4.4.4 and soon on Lollipop.
The thing is that this tablet has a Tegra 4, like the Surface 2 right? So I wonder if there is a way to dual boot with Windows 8 or 8.1 or RT or any form of Windows.
I would like to keep the Android part because I really like it, so a dual boot would be amazing.
Do you think it is possible? If so, can you help me in the process please?
I precise that I have no experience with any Surface Tablet, or any form of Windows Tablet RT.
I only have a little experience with Android, root, flash on my OnePlus One.
Thank you

That probably won't happen, I imagine Linux or Ubuntu are more likely in the future. Due to the Remix being a Surface clone already I would worry about the porter being sent a C&D letter from Microsoft.
Also I have only read of the HTC HD2 running RT thanks to the WP8 kernel that was previously available.
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It's not that I don't believe you, but I just would like more answer and be sure I can't :/
Thanks

Well there's still the main issue of no android device having UEFI support, which is important for W8/10 and Windows phone 8/10. However that won't matter because Windows is a licensed OS.
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Wouldn't say that RT isn't completely impossible on your device. You said it's a Surface clone and the Surface 2 does infact run a Tegra 4, like many other Windows RT tablets & laptops.
8 or 8.1 however is written for a completely different cpu architecture.
Just notice that RT and PC versions of Windows differ. You won't be able to install any programs downloaded from the internet, like on a PC. Only apps downloaded from the app store.
Personally I would rather stick with android since Microsoft's app store has very little to offer compared with Google's app store.

ASUS has no plans for Windows 10 Mobile on ZF2

https://www.reddit.com/r/zenfone2/comments/3lv999/good_newssort_of/cv9mn3a?context=3
Someone from Asus posted a thread on reddit regarding updates and I asked about Win10 and he said look to XDA for help.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/zf2-running-windows-7-using-kvm-t3153299

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Those are VMs running full Windows versions. I'm specifically talking about Windows 10 Mobile.

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Those are VMs running full Windows versions. I'm specifically talking about Windows 10 Mobile.
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Windows 10 Mobile seems largely pointless compared to Android without the ability to run "legacy" (desktop Win32, or even Win64) apps - I forget where I read this, but Windows 10 Mobile has been confirmed not to support the Windows desktop. Admittedly, that would only really be useful with a dock/external display and input devices anyway, but Metro apps generally suck.
On a more technical note, the reason ASUS is unlikely to even consider developing Windows 10 for the ZenFone 2 is twofold. Firstly, Intel apparently has no intention to develop non-Android drivers for their Moorefield Atom chips (the Z3500 series SoC in the ZenFone). They have never advertised Moorefield as being comptible with Windows. Additionally, they seem unwilling to admit they are to blame for the lack of open source drivers for the PowerVR graphics technology they licensed from ImgTec - this means they are also unlikely to develop a Windows driver for the PowerVR Rogue GPU in ZenFones. Secondly, UEFI firmware is a requirement for WIndows certification if I recall correctly - the ZenFone and presumably all Intel Android devices utilizing PowerVR GPUs use something called SFI, short for SImple Firmware Interface. Linux supports SFI, but I highly doubt Windows does.

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Windows 10 Mobile seems largely pointless compared to Android without the ability to run "legacy" (desktop Win32, or even Win64) apps - I forget where I read this, but Windows 10 Mobile has been confirmed not to support the Windows desktop. Admittedly, that would only really be useful with a dock/external display and input devices anyway, but Metro apps generally suck.
On a more technical note, the reason ASUS is unlikely to even consider developing Windows 10 for the ZenFone 2 is twofold. Firstly, Intel apparently has no intention to develop non-Android drivers for their Moorefield Atom chips (the Z3500 series SoC in the ZenFone). They have never advertised Moorefield as being comptible with Windows. Additionally, they seem unwilling to admit they are to blame for the lack of open source drivers for the PowerVR graphics technology they licensed from ImgTec - this means they are also unlikely to develop a Windows driver for the PowerVR Rogue GPU in ZenFones. Secondly, UEFI firmware is a requirement for WIndows certification if I recall correctly - the ZenFone and presumably all Intel Android devices utilizing PowerVR GPUs use something called SFI, short for SImple Firmware Interface. Linux supports SFI, but I highly doubt Windows does.
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I forgot about the drivers, but you are forgetting the power of Windows 10, which is supposed to run iOS and Android apps.

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I forgot about the drivers, but you are forgetting the power of Windows 10, which is supposed to run iOS and Android apps.
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But the question at this point is how well will they run at initial release?

Windows 10 for phones is still targeted for ARM devices only. The ZenFone 2 is designed as an Android device. We will not support anything other than the official Android releases. And no, Windows 10 for phones will not run iOS apps, just Android.

thank god for that i already have to deal with windows on my pc wouldnt want it on my phone aswell hell no only on pc for one main reason direct x and leading os for game support

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We will not support anything other than the official Android releases.
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This makes sense for ASUS' business interests, that I do not dispute - it's a little disappointing for XDA though, @Tuanies. You did seem interested in asking around about graphics drivers which would enable faster virtualization - was that successful? I ask because I got 64-bit Arch Linux (and Ubuntu) to boot natively on my ZenFone, and I've been meaning to get KDE Plasma Mobile into a usable state, but I'm stuck with a lot of closed drivers from Android which are 32-bit-only and unusable with libhybris. WiFi, unaccelerated graphics, multitouch input, battery status, and screen brightness controls are about the only things that do work - no sound, Bluetooth, calls/texts/data, or almost anything else works currently. Open source drivers from Intel would be amazing, but I might be able to get by with closed 64-bit libraries. Of course, no ETA for that from ASUS leads me to believe Intel isn't going to supply 64-bit Android binaries for their Moorefield chips. I haven't seen 64-bit Android on any other Atom Z35xx device yet, so I have a feeling it's not within the control of any OEM.
TL;DR, it would be great to know that Intel still actually supports their Moorefield Atom SoCs and is committed to 64-bit Android. I would ask them if I knew who to talk to, but alas I don't. @Tuanies, if you are able, please let us know if you can glean anything from Intel regarding 64-bit Android drivers or whether they are able to open up any other components. I'd greatly appreciate documentation for writing an oFono driver for the XMM7262 (LTE) and XMM2230 (2G GSM) modems, although like with the PowerVR drivers, I'm not holding my breath. Thanks!

I was not able to get PowerVR drivers for Moorefield, unfortunately . No updates on the 64-bit binaries either :-\.

Tuanies said:
Windows 10 for phones is still targeted for ARM devices only. The ZenFone 2 is designed as an Android device. We will not support anything other than the official Android releases. And no, Windows 10 for phones will not run iOS apps, just Android.
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Did something change about Windows 10 and iOS?

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Did something change about Windows 10 and iOS?
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Microsoft has tools for Android & iOS developers to "easily" recompile their code for Windoze 10.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/29/8511439/microsoft-windows-10-android-ios-apps-bridges
Basically, the developers need to recompile their existing code and make some minor changes to bring the apps to Windoze 10.

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Microsoft has tools for Android & iOS developers to "easily" recompile their code for Windoze 10.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/29/8511439/microsoft-windows-10-android-ios-apps-bridges
Basically, the developers need to recompile their existing code and make some minor changes to bring the apps to Windoze 10.
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So that's a no, nothing's changed on what's already been announced. I'm pretty sure if developers don't do it themselves, someone will find a way to make them work.

I owned many different phones, tablets and in my opinion the Android OS is the best for phones. I would not mind installing Linux (mint) on my tablet tho

I still don't get why you'd want windows on this phone other than as a "just because you can" exercise. Windows isn't suddenly going to have better mobile apps than android, and the android apps that are probably/possibly going to run on windows obviously already run on your android phone which they were designed for. And if you are talking full windows, the screen is too small, the phone has only one USB port, and while improved over previous generations, the atom in our phone is still no match for a proper full power desktop or laptop CPU. Oh, and most people only have 16 or 32 GB on-board storage.

If I could dual boot Windows and Android, I'd have the best of both worlds... but the Windows thing's important so I can consolidate my needs into a single device.
So that I can plug in a USB host cable, USB hub, plug in a USB-to-VGA adapter & wireless mouse/keyboard combo, and have a full PC anywhere I go, with 4GB of RAM.
Plenty of cheap-o Windows tablets out there with soldered on 32GB of onboard storage. (I actually own the Microcenter one, and it works really, /really/ well, all things considered. Runs the Windows applications I need it to: http://www.microcenter.com/product/440932/TW802_Tablet_-_Black the Winbook TW02 )
And it's not about the apps. It's about having a Windows PC in my god dang pocket.
For me, and I suspect some other people, it's a lot more than a 'just because you can' exercise. All that shows is a lack of imagination.