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I know it's a little too early for this thread but it's going to be an interesting topics which will be debated endlessly in the next couple months. Lets face it, CES did little to convince us either options will be superior.
Background information:
Windows 8 seems to be designed for not only tablets in mind, but how the OS is intended to be used. In order to make this possible Mircosoft is designing a version of the OS to be used on ARM processors. ARM processors, found in today's tablets and smartphones, are designed for high preformance with low power consumption.
At the same time Intel has invested a lot of money and research to develop the Clover Trial Atom processor. The atom processors are the processors found in yesterdays notebooks but this new design is also intended for low power consumption.
Known Characteristics of Each:
ARM:
HTML 5 apps only
Possibly Metro UI Only
Low heat
Clover Trail:
x86 architecture. Legacy apps will be compatible as well as HTML 5 apps
Lower preformace than sandy bridge processors
Looking at the above list it seems easy to pick the clover trail but the arm processors are likely to offer better battery life.
Heat issues are also a historic known issue on x86 processors, will continue with clover trail? If a tablet requires a fan width becomes an issue.
I will continue to update the characteristic lists as updates come out so everyone can make the best informed decision possible.
-writing this from my iPad 2 which I can't wait to ditch for something in the Windows 8 flavor
Even on a tablet, I hate the win8 look. I just want my win7 desktop on my iPad 2 also.
I don't think W8 will be as innovative as they say. Windows-8 will either be a hit or a big miss.
I see at least one error in your description, however: Windows 8 on ARM will not be limited to only the HTML5+Javascript apps. They've already demonstrated applications compiled for ARM specifically (including MS Office), so it's safe to conclude we'll see both.
Personally, I LOVE the Metro UI. I think it's the most brilliant shift in UI design in the last 30 years.
For me, I'll be going Windows 8 on ARM and tossing my iPad to the side (probably sell it) as soon as it's available. I'll keep my Windows 7 desktop as-is for the sake of x86/x64 applications in a traditional interface, but Windows 8 is where the market's going. In spite of the naysayers, the odds of it failing are very, very small.
Even Windows Vista, which was a fairly awful product at launch, sold very well (not as well as XP or now 7, but still, well over 200 million units), so it's not remotely a stretch to think that Windows 8, which is slim, light and mind numbingly fast, will also sell well.
Intel's Medfield Atom has proven to be a better performer than the ARM A9 core while offering similar/better power consumption on paper. Personally I don't care for either. I'd rather get ULV Ivy Bridge and live with 4-5 hours of batterylife and probably 8-10 with a keyboard dock, if available.
A ULV Broadwell in 2014 will make all of this moot anyway, x86 chips are more powerful and has major productivity software on lock because of it. Intel is now taking heat/power consumption very seriously and Metro apps for the most part are cross platform so it's Intel's to lose, don't forget that.
dont bet against Intel.... their upcoming tri-gate and finfet tech are gonna put them right in the same league as ARM as far as power consumption is concerned..
if I were a betting man, I'd bet that ARM Windows will be a niche player, while x86 windows will continue to be the dominant flavor, even for tablets, because of Intel's ability to bring down power consumption and price.
That, plus the standardization of x86, and ability for users to install legacy apps + mess around with their OS in an easy way will sway the market far in x86's favor...
Windows 8 has one silver lining left, and that's the Office suite. Android still has no good alternative, and Apple as a killer office app, but not THE Office app.
As long as Microsoft has the mouse behave like a finger, with swiping etc.... Then they'll stand a chance. I wouldn't bet on MS though... for the consumer segment, they need strong solid partnerships, and so far they only have Nokia.
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Windows 8 has one silver lining left, and that's the Office suite. Android still has no good alternative, and Apple as a killer office app, but not THE Office app.
As long as Microsoft has the mouse behave like a finger, with swiping etc.... Then they'll stand a chance. I wouldn't bet on MS though... for the consumer segment, they need strong solid partnerships, and so far they only have Nokia.
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What are you talking about? They have everyone for Windows 8. Android tablets aren't selling like their phone counterparts, are OEMs are waiting impatiently to jump on board with Windows 8. Windows still has many major productivity software for 3D rendering, design (pick any type), video, etc. Android has ICS's movie make and super gimped up Adobe touch apps. Android tablets are nothing more than giant mobile phones. Windows 8 tablets will be Metro touch apps that equal Android mobile apps plus all the desktop software we professionals use.
x86 is miles ahead of arm. as soon as dev's make arm ports of x86 apps i dont know if i will bother with windows 8 on arm until then
2 questions/thoughts... call it what you will.
1. ARM ver of Win8 will (or not?) be way more closed than current (traditional Windows approach) - sort of like Windows Phone is now. Meaning if you want an app you have to get it of the store (ONLY) not from any website like today with Windows. True or False?
If true... imho this is a very bad news for ARM ver of software.
Let say you live in Europe and you want/need program that is specific for US store only. What will you do in such case? Even iOS (bad, closed system, controlled by BIG, BAD APPLE) is more frindly about this tnah Android or Windows Phone.
2. Is it possible (for current ARM SOC's) to emulate x86 (in order to get older soft to work)? I dont think so.
On the other hand x86 should be more than capable to "pretend" it is ARM device . In such case having x86 W8 onboard means we cen als use ARM software if we want to need to (unless both x86 and ARM W8 will be lock tight - but than why would anyone jump of Win7????).
fact is we have no idea what RT will bring to the table or what the software will or will not be able to do, but if we look at the hardware we see a few notable differences
ARM, ultra low watt consumption (potentially good battery life), High performance BUT less grunt so to speak, cheaper price point
x86, higher power consumption(potentially a shorter battery life compared to ARM), High performance but more bang per buck, more expensive price point.
there is a distinct difference between the two models, a difference which I think will be very important. Most every day folk will not need more than ARM, for everyone else including many business users, x86 is there
Being able to run x86 code is my primary concern, im not talking heavy work, the programs are small and light, but x86 is essential for the time being for it to be flexible.
However provided RT isn't completely tied down like WP is AND is at a reasonable price point, I think it will make great inroads in the Low/Mid range tablet market.
I started looking into tablets after September last fall. I wanted something that would give me the most bang for the buck, or at least the minimum compromise. Things broke out in 3 general sections as mentioned previously: ARM, Atom/AMDCxx and X86/AMD (higher end iCore style).
As Windows 8 goes, there will be no real difference between Atom and X86. The instruction sets are the same. Both will support Metro and Windows Legacy apps.
ARM will only support Metro.
Price seems to break along those lines, but I found an exception.
I expect the ARM versions to run in the neighborhood of $400 and less; the Atom class to be in the $400 to $800; and the full X86 to be $600 and up. Of course equipment will also impact this price.
Probably, the most significant piece of equipment will be the screen. While pricing current machines for ARM and Atom (as well as X86), the 1366x1024 resolution was rare and it is required for a split screen feature of the Metro interface.
In the end, I picked a Dell Duo with a dual core hyperthreading Atom processor because it had the required resolution and the price was down as low as anything I could find. I also got a keyboard, but suffered the weight and short battery life.
Performance has been good in most situations, though tinkering with Unity 3d seems like a bad idea on the Atom with Windows 8 (but it's not a release OS yet). And performance lags a little in Unity 3d game execution, too.
Metro looks good to me so far.
So, for an iPad style consumption usage I think the ARM is probably going to work great. Dual core if you can get it.
For a little heavier usage and legacy aps, you'll want an Atom type systyem. I'd say dual core minimum.
And if you want superior performance with no compromise, as always, expect to put the green on the table.
Something on the subject:
http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/news/2173...V3&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Twitterfeed
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In the end, I picked a Dell Duo with a dual core hyperthreading Atom processor because it had the required resolution and the price was down as low as anything I could find. I also got a keyboard, but suffered the weight and short battery life.
Performance has been good in most situations, though tinkering with Unity 3d seems like a bad idea on the Atom with Windows 8 (but it's not a release OS yet). And performance lags a little in Unity 3d game execution, too.
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How does internet video work for you on Win 8? What Atom is in your Duo?
I couldn't get netflix or hulu working well on an N280.
I am running 8 on an e-350 (Acer w500), and video works great, but the touch screen is poor around the edges like a number of other Windows 7 tablets where they were designed for accuracy in center, instead of across the board.
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dazza9075 said:
There is a distinct difference between the two models, a difference which I think will be very important. Most every day folk will not need more than ARM, for everyone else including many business users, x86 is there.
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I actually expect a number of our business users on RT. We won't push them to it, but the option will probably be given.
Today they use:
Web based tools.
A few silverlight sites.
Office
We're likely to port our silverlight apps to METRO, first one took a little under a day. At that point, if they wanted an iPad like device, with the new news about sideloading: http://blogs.msdn.com/b/windowsstor...deploying-metro-style-apps-to-businesses.aspx
It is a pretty good fit.
Obviously designers, ops, etc are not going to find RT sufficient, but I expect a subset will. We have some that only use iPads today anyway.
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How does internet video work for you on Win 8? What Atom is in your Duo?
I couldn't get netflix or hulu working well on an N280.
I am running 8 on an e-350 (Acer w500), and video works great, but the touch screen is poor around the edges like a number of other Windows 7 tablets where they were designed for accuracy in center, instead of across the board.
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Same question.
I had Asus 1201N (but it had dual core Atom 330 onboard + Nvidia ION card) - no problems with any video but it was HOT, VERY HOT and very noisy.
I kept Samsung NC10 (same atom chip as in 1201N but single core only and no ION). Watching any video on it is a nightmare :-(. Even YT is not working well.
How does internet video work for you on Win 8?
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Internet video seems to be very good. Currently, things run fairly smoothly. The connection speed is a bigger impact than the processor speed.
Odd item. I just tested real quick and I can now play YouTube videos in the Metro browser. I guess they have the HTML 5 delivery working.
HD on Netflix is a little choppy right now and stutters in the desktop browser. It could be the connection.
What Atom is in your Duo?
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N570 @1.67ghz
I couldn't get netflix or hulu working well on an N280
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I worried about performkance. That's why I went for a dual core at a minimum. The earlier Duo had an N560(?) at 1.5ghz. I don't think it would be enough. Again, it might be the connection, but @ HD right now, it's borderline.
Of course. sometimes it comes down to the video card/processor, too.
I am running 8 on an e-350 (Acer w500), and video works great, but the touch screen is poor around the edges like a number of other Windows 7 tablets where they were designed for accuracy in center, instead of across the board.
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I haven't experienced any issues around the edges ... or any where on the screen. I am pleased overall with the unit and was a bit disappointed when they stopped producing them in December. But, it was largely a test unit.
Thanks for the info Lurk.
Clover Trail pics
I found this article while browsing on tabletpcreview forum.
An online writer Padmx Max, got access to Clover Trails and took some pics of the board and the processor: here is the link
http://www.padmx.com/portal.php?mod=view&aid=1707
The processor is actually stacked under the memory so you can't really see it.
But it is an interesting idea.
Not sure it is Intel Z2580 or z2760 tho.
I'm searching for a tablet that comes with a full windows 8 but that is also supported by the linux kernel so I could install Ubuntu on it.
I thought that an atom Z2760 based tablet was the way to go, but I've discovered that that processor is not nor will be supported by the linux kernel, so that was a no go.
Atom Z2760 based tablets were relatively not so expensive, so I'm looking for a tablet that costs under 500 euros/550$ and the screen size to be 8" or above (10" would be perfect)
Do you have any suggestions for me?
Thanks in advance!
As you point out, the atom tablets cannot run linux. That leaves you with intel core i3/i5/i7. I dont know of any within your budget.
Only things I can think of are either
A) wait quite a while. The bay trail CPU's are back to what you expect and are normal x86 processors capable of running windows 8 and linux if you wish. However I dont think they are due until 2014.
B) Virtualbox on an atom tablet. No one wants to do that really.
C) Increase your budget.
If you don't mind *installing* Win8 rather than having it come pre-installed, there are plenty of older tablet PCs which will do the job, and while most of them initially retailed for far above your cutoff price, you can usually find them fairly cheap nowadays.
For example, here's an older Dell Latitude 10 tablet that uses an Oak Trail Atom CPU and runs Win7 by default, and is in your price range: http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnline...arch.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dfh&cs=22&puid=2e477084
Bear in mind though: those specs are pretty bad by today's standards. It will run Win8, and it will run any desktop Linux distro I know of, but it won't run either one terribly well.
Thanks for your replies, really appreciate them!
Ok, I guess I'll just pass this generation of affordable Win8 tablets and get a laptop.
Once again, thanks for your help!
hello XDA folks,
iam planning to get a 10-11 inch (full HD) windows 8/8.1 tablet running on intel atom baytrail as my budget is limited, 550 pounds to be exact.please suggest any which is currently available or the ones which might be available by christmas time.
thanks in advance
ONly ones in that size are the asus t100 and the dell venue 11
T100 does not have a full hd screen but is a very nice tablet for that amount of money.
That leaves you with just the dell venue 11 then. Which is also set to be running at a higher clock speed than the t100 which for some reason is 1.3ghz which is as low as baytrail offers. The 8" tablets are higher clock speeds.
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That leaves you with just the dell venue 11 then. Which is also set to be running at a higher clock speed than the t100 which for some reason is 1.3ghz which is as low as baytrail offers. The 8" tablets are higher clock speeds.
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The t100 is nice i have one and so far its been fine, it can boost upto 1.86 and iv been able to play football manager 2014 on it, i think having 1080 screen makes things look to small on the screen.
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The t100 is nice i have one and so far its been fine, it can boost upto 1.86 and iv been able to play football manager 2014 on it, i think having 1080 screen makes things look to small on the screen.
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It can boost to 1.86 yes but its base clock is 1.3 whereas the other 8" tablets and dells venue 11 are at 1.8ghz as their base clock speed before turbo mode. I'm not trying to say the T100 is bad by the way. Its just the OP said he wanted full HD which the T100 doesnt have (although I agree with you on not having it on a 10" screen) and the venue is genuinely higher specced. It is alot more expensive though. T100 price is absolutely amazing.
you can consider the HP Omni 10 tablet too, 10.1 full hd touchscreen with z3770 bay trail.... 399 euro/dollars
thanks a lot guys.any idea when baytrail 10 inch from lenovo, acer,hp etc will come to market ?
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thanks a lot guys.any idea when baytrail 10 inch from lenovo, acer,hp etc will come to market ?
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HP's was mentioned (omni, which I hadnt heard of). Lenovo released the Miix 10 recently, but its clovertrail, seems they couldnt wait the matter of weeks for baytrail. Acer released a new 8" and also a haswell 10", no bay trail 10" yet.
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HP's was mentioned (omni, which I hadnt heard of). Lenovo released the Miix 10 recently, but its clovertrail, seems they couldnt wait the matter of weeks for baytrail. Acer released a new 8" and also a haswell 10", no bay trail 10" yet.
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it's a pity levono has clover trail, looks very good machine...but already old..
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HP's was mentioned (omni, which I hadnt heard of). Lenovo released the Miix 10 recently, but its clovertrail, seems they couldnt wait the matter of weeks for baytrail. Acer released a new 8" and also a haswell 10", no bay trail 10" yet.
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Acer P3 seems a sweet deal at 570 pounds.does anybody reviewed it here ?
Hiya,
Im looking at getting a new tablet after getting a little annoyed with my asus t100.
The asus has the bay trail-T Atom Z3740 (t100) the other has a n9210 which is bay trail-M.
Is the bay trail-m more powerfull as i do not believe it has turbo boost. im looking at playing fm14 on the lowest settings so it does not need to be to powerfull as the Atom Z3740 could play it.
The new intel range is confusing me, is it Atom-Celeron-Pentium-Core-Xenon
Rich
Pentium and celeron are legacy products. Bay trail is encroaching on celeron anyway.
Xeon is not a consumer product line. Its for servers.
The current consumer product line is simply
Atom > Core i3 > Core i5 > Core i7. And even then, most consumers wont benefit from the i7.
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Pentium and celeron are legacy products. Bay trail is encroaching on celeron anyway.
Xeon is not a consumer product line. Its for servers.
The current consumer product line is simply
Atom > Core i3 > Core i5 > Core i7. And even then, most consumers wont benefit from the i7.
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ahhh right the tablet im looking at is this
http://www8.hp.com/uk/en/products/laptops/product-detail.html?oid=6420758#!tab=specs
which says it has a celeron which is a bay trail-m product
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Pentium and celeron are legacy products. Bay trail is encroaching on celeron anyway.
Xeon is not a consumer product line. Its for servers.
The current consumer product line is simply
Atom > Core i3 > Core i5 > Core i7. And even then, most consumers wont benefit from the i7.
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Pentium and Celeron are upgraded every time the i3/5/7 family gets upgraded, so I wouldn't call them legacy.
They are more like lower end versions of the above.
I would say Celeron is somewhere in between an i3 and an atom.
With that said, i doubt the performance is noticeable.
Cool that's what I was looking for thought it would be a middle kinda ground between atom and i3
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Both are Bay Trail, but are targeted at different platforms. The T100's Z3740 is designed for tablets,
http://ark.intel.com/products/76759
while the Celeron N2910 is for entry notebooks,
http://ark.intel.com/products/76752
with higher SDP (4.5W vs 2W), higher clock (1.6GHz vs 1.3GHz), and can run 64-bit Win (all Bay Trail tablets are 32-bit only, until next year).
Even without Turbo, the N2910 is faster since it runs at 20% higher clock. That would be a noticeable difference. But still, we're talking about an Atom here. The downside is higher power use, hence the 2nd batt in the base of your model.
BTW, the US version of your mentioned hybrid is a bit better with a Pentium N3510, which is also a Bay Trail M, but has a base clock of 2GHz.
http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products/Laptops/HP-Pavilion/E4V88AV
http://ark.intel.com/products/76751
BTW, note that these come with Windows 8, not 8.1.
Thanks for that will have a look at the one you have said.
I know it has 8 but won't it get the free 8.1 update?
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Just because you can upgrade to 8.1, doesn't mean you should. HP hasn't certify 8.1 for this model, and Bay Trail already has enough bleeding edge problems with driver support.
More issues: wifi is bgn, ie 2.4GHz only; Miracast won't be possible. 11.6" screen is only 1366x768. Unit is heavy at 3.3lbs (1.71lbs sans base). Battery life is probably poor. No freebie Office like for the smaller 10" devices. On the plus side, you do get 4GB RAM rather than 2GB.
At $600 US, it's expensive. The main reason is Intel's chip pricing. Cel N2910's pricing is $132 retail (HP would've paid less), Z3740 is reportedly $30. The large difference isn't because of performance, but platform positioning. It's likely why Bay Trail T is 32-bit only, because Intel doesn't want it to cannibalize sales of higher-margin parts. It was the same with the netbook.
Even at $30, Bay Trail isn't competitive with ARM SoCs. Intel reportedly will lower Bay Trail parts to $15-20 in 2014.
http://tablet-news.com/2013/10/15/intel-preparing-cheap-bay-trail-chips-for-2014/
To date, there hasn't been many device roll-out for Bay Trail. Pricing is one reason why. Not many people will pay $500-600 for a Bay Trail hybrid, or $300 for a 8" tablet (except for Apple's of course). Asus T100 hits a good price point, but as you found, it has major compromises.
The second reason is that Win 8.1 is a yawner. It may not have the hate that Win 8 engendered, but there is no consumer enthusiasm for it. Going into this shopping season, the hope was that Haswell and Bay Trail, along with 8.1, would kick-start Windows sales. Doesn't look like that will happen. Now you know the real reason why Ballmer is crying his way out the door.
e.mote,
Just because a CPU has higher clock it doesn't mean it is actually better.
An 1Gz i5 is better than an 1.8 ghz Atom. It is all about the architecture, so you can't compare them like that. Celeron is faster than Atom, but the difference won't be noticeable in daily usage (inbefore benchmarks: they are pretty useless for daily usage performance)
As for windows 8/8.1, we understand you can't get your head around using it, but you shouldn't present "general consensus facts" which are exactly the opposite in reality.
>An 1Gz i5 is better than an 1.8 ghz Atom. It is all about the architecture, so you can't compare them like that.
You need to get yourself educated. The above discussion is about the same Silvermont architecture. There is no Core here. The Celeron/Pentium/whatever are brandings applied. A Bay Trail M running at 1.6 or 2GHz is faster than a Bay Trail T at 1.33, period. It is that simple.
>which are exactly the opposite in reality
I'm sure the fanboy's version of reality is indeed different.
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It's likely why Bay Trail T is 32-bit only
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It isn't likely why the Bay Trail T is 32 bit only because Bay Trail T isn't 32 bit only.
Its 64 bit. Go check ark.intel.com yourself, or even the thread on this very forum where someone is attempting to boot linux on the T100.
http://ark.intel.com/products/76759/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3740-2M-Cache-up-to-1_86-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/78416/Intel-Atom-Processor-Z3740D-2M-Cache-up-to-1_86-GHz
http://ark.intel.com/products/76752/Intel-Celeron-Processor-N2910-2M-Cache-1_60-GHz
Celeron drops the variable clock speeds but has a higher RAM cap but at a lower frequency. Celeron maximum graphics core clock is higher, although it doesnt say what the minimum is and is lacking a few extra features.
The celeron will always run at 1.6ghz as opposed to the atom branded chip being 1.33 and then occasionally overclocking itself to 1.86
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>which are exactly the opposite in reality
I'm sure the fanboy's version of reality is indeed different.
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Its not like you ever substantiate or provide any evidence to your claims that "everyone hates modern", "no one can use desktop in 8 or modern on desktops" or whatever other claims you have made at some point. He has a point
>It isn't likely why the Bay Trail T is 32 bit only because Bay Trail T isn't 32 bit only
Yes, the Silvermont architecture is 64-bit, which is why it can support 64-bit Win in the M line. As abundantly said, that the T line is 32-bit-(OS)-only is because of market positioning, not a technical deficiency.
>Celeron drops the variable clock speeds [etc]...
Yes, thanks for regurgitating my words back to me. I'm sure it's all worthwhile.
>Its not like you ever substantiate or provide any evidence to your claims that "everyone hates modern", "no one can use desktop in 8 or modern on desktops" or whatever other claims you have made at some point. He has a point
Does anybody ever provide evidence for anything on views espoused herein? Do you? Do you ever stop putting words in other people's mouth, as these above?
You want evidence that "8.1 has no consumer enthusiasm"? Look around in this very forum. See anyone jumping for joy at 8.1's features and improvements? See people lining up to buy 8.1 boxes? You think MS is turning itself upside down, and Ballmer bawling his guts out on stage because he's happy of the great Windows sales?
just out of curiosity is the baytrail atom chipset as powerful as the core 2 duo or duo core laptop cpu from 2007-2009 time frame.
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just out of curiosity is the baytrail atom chipset as powerful as the core 2 duo or duo core laptop cpu from 2007-2009 time frame.
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As fast as a low end Penryn chip. For reference my P9700 @2.8ghz scores 2600 on geekbench 3 and the bay trail gets 2900. Note the bench is multicore and 32bit settings. However according to cinebench r11.5 my P9700 has higher single & multi core performance, but only slightly.
Also bay t z3740 gets 3343 in cinebench r10 and my laptop gets 6100, so bay is likely close to low end Penyrn or 1st gen i3.
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>An 1Gz i5 is better than an 1.8 ghz Atom. It is all about the architecture, so you can't compare them like that.
You need to get yourself educated. The above discussion is about the same Silvermont architecture. There is no Core here. The Celeron/Pentium/whatever are brandings applied. A Bay Trail M running at 1.6 or 2GHz is faster than a Bay Trail T at 1.33, period. It is that simple.
>which are exactly the opposite in reality
I'm sure the fanboy's version of reality is indeed different.
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Both are Bay Trail, but are targeted at different platforms. The T100's Z3740 is designed for tablets,
http://ark.intel.com/products/76759 => celeron
while the Celeron N2910 is for entry notebooks,
http://ark.intel.com/products/76752 => atom
Then you proceed to compare their clock speeds
with higher SDP (4.5W vs 2W), higher clock (1.6GHz vs 1.3GHz), and can run 64-bit Win (all Bay Trail tablets are 32-bit only, until next year).
Even without Turbo, the N2910 is faster since it runs at 20% higher clock. That would be a noticeable difference. But still, we're talking about an Atom here. The downside is higher power use, hence the 2nd batt in the base of your model.
BTW, the US version of your mentioned hybrid is a bit better with a Pentium N3510, which is also a Bay Trail M, but has a base clock of 2GHz.
http://www.shopping.hp.com/en_US/home-office/-/products/Laptops/HP-Pavilion/E4V88AV
http://ark.intel.com/products/76751
BTW, note that these come with Windows 8, not 8.1.
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Intel Atom is a different architecture than the rest of the intel family processors.Celeron belongs in the same family as the core processors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celeron
Therefore, your CPU clock comparison between intel atom and celeron is null.
You should probably change your avatar image.
PS:this is more of a technical support forum than anything else. People don't usually end up on XDA developers if they do not have a problem. This is how i found about this forum too: I had a problem. There is no point in saying a technical support forum is a good indicator of how good or bad a software is.
mcosmin222 said:
Intel Atom is a different architecture than the rest of the intel family processors.Celeron belongs in the same family as the core processors
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celeron
Therefore, your CPU clock comparison between intel atom and celeron is null.
You should probably change your avatar image.
PS:this is more of a technical support forum than anything else. People don't usually end up on XDA developers if they do not have a problem. This is how i found about this forum too: I had a problem. There is no point in saying a technical support forum is a good indicator of how good or bad a software is.
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Current celeron chips it seems intel have simply taken the silvermont core from bay trail and slapped the celeron branding on so they are one and the same now beyond what I have apparently regurgitated at e.mote yet he never actually said.
e.mote said:
>It isn't likely why the Bay Trail T is 32 bit only because Bay Trail T isn't 32 bit only
Yes, the Silvermont architecture is 64-bit, which is why it can support 64-bit Win in the M line. As abundantly said, that the T line is 32-bit-(OS)-only is because of market positioning, not a technical deficiency.
>Celeron drops the variable clock speeds [etc]...
Yes, thanks for regurgitating my words back to me. I'm sure it's all worthwhile.
>Its not like you ever substantiate or provide any evidence to your claims that "everyone hates modern", "no one can use desktop in 8 or modern on desktops" or whatever other claims you have made at some point. He has a point
Does anybody ever provide evidence for anything on views espoused herein? Do you? Do you ever stop putting words in other people's mouth, as these above?
You want evidence that "8.1 has no consumer enthusiasm"? Look around in this very forum. See anyone jumping for joy at 8.1's features and improvements? See people lining up to buy 8.1 boxes? You think MS is turning itself upside down, and Ballmer bawling his guts out on stage because he's happy of the great Windows sales?
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Want to ignore intels own documents showing that BayTrail T is 64 bit? want to ignore people on this very forum booting 64 bit OSes on Bay Trail T? want to continue stating its 32 bit when it isn't? Fine by me, perhaps you profile picture is rather accurate. And before you claim I am putting words in peoples mouth with this post, its a direct unedited quote although you do seem incapable of ever using the quote button.
Windows sales at this point in time are actually showing a similar market share to when windows 7 was released. Desktop/Laptop PC sales have fallen as a whole according to many analysts as tablet sales gain ground with consumers.
This forum cannot be used as evidence. The forum is technical support. In general you find that most of the people who are happy with a product do not come here to give it praises, they just carry on using it as they do. People come here when they have an issue. Of course people arent going to be jumping for joy when they have come here to ask how to do something (which 99% of the time isnt even a windows 8 exclusive issue).
The new atoms are silver mount tho arnt they as they are bay trail chips
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Celeron-N2910-Notebook-Processor.101602.0.html
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>The new atoms are silver mount tho arnt they as they are bay trail chips
Yes, they are. Please ignore the noise. OK, you can ask for your money back!
BTW thanks to the hoi polloi for setting Mcosmin gal straight on the Cel thing. I would add something, but I don't wanna be accused of piling on the handicapped.
>This forum cannot be used as evidence. The forum is technical support.
Such an emphatic statement! But sadly, wrong. This forum is NOT tech support. Do read the header. It's a general discussion area for Win8. People help out because they want to, not because it's their designated task. People come here to jaw about Win8, as we are doing. Evidence? We love evidence! You have some for us, yes?
>Windows sales at this point in time are actually showing a similar market share to when windows 7 was released.
Oh, really! I'm sure that'd be news to many, especially to MS. Since you're so fond of "evidence," where is it? Please, do tell! Love to see which version of reality you reside in.
Then again, facts aren't something you're used to, so let me help ya out. From the horse's mouth:
http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/...year-more-than-240-million-licenses-sold.aspx
"As of September [2010], Windows 7 was running on 93% of new consumer PCs and has over 17% global OS market share (according to Net Applications as of October 1st)"
Per Net Applications, at end of Oct 2010, one year after its release, Win7's market share was 18.9%.
http://www.netmarketshare.com/repor...+7&qpcustomb=0&qpsp=2009&qpnp=2&qptimeframe=Y
Meanwhile,
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/...ling-first-time-windows-8-1-takes-1-72-share/
"The latest market share data from Net Applications shows that October 2013 was a slow one for Windows 8 and Windows 8.1 combined...[at] 9.25 percent."
Yes, 18.9% is indeedy VERY SIMILAR to 9.25%. Gotta love the new math they teach in schools nowaday. (Yes we're assuming the little fella did see the inside of a school at some point...OK it's a possibility.)
Hey wanna see something to warm your cockles?
http://www.netmarketshare.com/opera...11&qpcustomb=0&qpsp=165&qpnp=13&qptimeframe=M
Going great guns is Win 8.x! Gosh at this torrid pace it might even get to 10% by next century!
>In general you find that most of the people who are happy with a product do not come here to give it praises, they just carry on using it as they do.
Uh oh, more generalizations with NO EVIDENCE. What would Mcosmin lass say!
Yes yes I know them well...the unsung "silent majority" toiling away in the shadow of your imagination. If only they would RISE UP AND BE COUNTED, the world would be a happier place. I'm sure they will do it tomorrow.
Census count! ARE YE A HAPPY WIN8 USER? If yes, go buy smore Win toys and help Ballmer keep his job!
So, what's next on the fanboy scapegoating list? Should we blame the marketing, or do we go after the biased MSM peeps? Heck I'm kinda partial to the breakdancing Catholic school tots. They got tudes. OK it's the bloggers' fault.
Onda V820w 8" Windows 8.1 Bay Trail-T Z3735F Quad Core Tablet PC 8 Inch 2GB 32GB WiFi
Hello,
There is a new tablet on the market which I believe is the best deal you can get for a tablet. I was looking for Teclast X98 Air for a long time and I am excited about the dual-OS (android & windows 8.1) but it is way too expensive. ~240$. This instead, offer something almost similar. The only difference is the lower resolution, but that shouldn't be really a problem, it is still good for a 8" tablet: 1280x800 IPS screen (up to 10-finger touch) and 4200mAh battery, but the longevity of the battery compared to X98 should be compensated by the lower 8" display and much lower resolution. The resolution ratio is also 16:10.
The BIGGEST advantage is that this tablet supports SD cards to up to 128GB!! This is the most amazing thing. X98 can barely support 32GB which is close to nothing when you are operating a Windows.
It is on sale on TinyDeal for only 109.99$ : http://www.tinydeal.com/onda-v820w-8-windows-81-z3735f-2gb-16g-tablet-pc-w-bluetooth-p-142442.html
Specs are almost identical to Teclast X80h, the only differences being the 5000mAh for X80h and 128GB SD card support for V820w. and Onda is 10$ cheaper.
Have anyone got this tablet or does anyone know anything about it? How does it perform? Is it worth buying? I want to buy myself a tablet, but I do not want to end up with a junk after a month.
Lated edit: I've just asked TinyDeal support and told me that Teclast is supperior hardware and quality-wise. It just sucks so bad that Teclast X80h supports only 32GB SD cards. It is so frustrating. I would have ordered it right away
Regards
I say go for it! I have the Asus Vivotab Note 8, and I love it! It has similar specs to the one you are looking at. In all honesty I love the 8" form factor. It really is the perfect size.
My tablet: http://www.asus.com/Tablets_Mobile/ASUS_VivoTab_Note_8_M80TA/
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I say go for it! I have the Asus Vivotab Note 8, and I love it! It has similar specs to the one you are looking at. In all honesty I love the 8" form factor. It really is the perfect size.
My tablet: http://www.asus.com/Tablets_Mobile/ASUS_VivoTab_Note_8_M80TA/
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This slightly changed by the time I posted this. I talked to TinyDeal and they recommend PIPO W2F instead of Onda and Teclast because it is of better quality. I really am in doubt now. They told me that Onda is the worse of the other 2 companies, so definitely I am not going to go for it just to save 10 bucks.
Is anyone out there? Got my ONDA today it should be perfect for me because i probably won't need to work the processor very hard.
I'm having a problem in windows sd card drivers.
I've managed to update it and it's on the latest version of Windows 10.
The problem is that sometimes the sd card dosn't show up on after boot.
SD STORAGE CLASS CONTROLLER driver seems to be stopping.
I've tried wiping the os this helped until i booted into android then when i booted back to windows the sdcard was missing again.
I've just got a 128gb for the the device and was really hoping to use it.
Looks like I'm sending this back for a refund. Lame
Let's hope my teclast is better.
I'm planning to get this Tablet
Is it worth getting?