Can someone post pic samples with LB and UB and how much the quality decreases?
Also if I unlock the bootloader and relock it after restoring TA, would Bionz work again normally?
allinkiran said:
Can someone post pic samples with LB and UB and how much the quality decreases?
Also if I unlock the bootloader and relock it after restoring TA, would Bionz work again normally?
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And will relock without ta be equal to relock with ta?
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wait whaaat...I thought Sony fixed the ULB camera and it's the same as the locked BL one now?
kantk20111 said:
wait whaaat...I thought Sony fixed the ULB camera and it's the same as the locked BL one now?
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Just tested my unlocked with an locked.. Not much difference
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HellRoot said:
Just tested my unlocked with an locked.. Not much difference
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can you post the example? thanks
kantk20111 said:
wait whaaat...I thought Sony fixed the ULB camera and it's the same as the locked BL one now?
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what i know is only the BIONZ will not work when you UB even if you restore your ta. correct me if im wrong.
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can you post the example? thanks
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This is from mine with unlocked... Zoom in and compare the noise with your own...
Sorry that I can't give a picture from a UB and lb but I compared it to a friends picture during day and not that much difference...
Both were taken with superior auto.
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This is from mine with unlocked... Zoom in and compare the noise with your own...
Sorry that I can't give a picture from a UB and lb but I compared it to a friends picture during day and not that much difference...
Both were taken with superior auto.
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i can't see anithing. But for a really comparsion we have to make the same photo in the same light after few minutes or the test doesn't have any result. If anyone can do this we can see if there is any difference. Maybe @showlyshah can help us
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i can't see anithing. But for a really comparsion we have to make the same photo in the same light after few minutes or the test doesn't have any result. If anyone can do this we can see if there is any difference. Maybe @showlyshah can help us
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Better?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y8qira7s50kj1wv/DSC_0095.JPG
You should be able to get a feel of the quality... There is a difference but it is not major
But yes.. Two pictures in same environment would be better
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what i know is only the BIONZ will not work when you UB even if you restore your ta. correct me if im wrong.
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Nooooo.... I thought that was fixed with the 4.4 update. That sucks big time if it's true (that I can't restore it with my TA backup).
kantk20111 said:
Nooooo.... I thought that was fixed with the 4.4 update. That sucks big time if it's true (that I can't restore it with my TA backup).
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Look at the bright side, you can make the screen look much better if you have UL
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Jiyeon90 said:
Look at the bright side, you can make the screen look much better if you have UL
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Then the pics will look good on phone only, if you will use them on PC you will see the difference.
zyxel25 said:
what i know is only the BIONZ will not work when you UB even if you restore your ta. correct me if im wrong.
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There's really no chance to have a full working cam with UL???
I can notice a noticable difference in noise levels in my photos in lowlight with UBL vs LB. It's quite a bit worse. In daytime it's not that much different, but in lowlight it's evident that it's not as good. I might relock my bootloader now, the camera is a really important feature to me :\
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I can notice a noticable difference in noise levels in my photos in lowlight with UBL vs LB. It's quite a bit worse. In daytime it's not that much different, but in lowlight it's evident that it's not as good. I might relock my bootloader now, the camera is a really important feature to me :\
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Even after relocking the BL you already lost your DRM keys like what happened to mine, so I think the result will be the same.. are there photo samples in lowlight to compare between UB & LB ???
Hani88 said:
Even after relocking the BL you already lost your DRM keys like what happened to mine, so I think the result will be the same.. are there photo samples in lowlight to compare between UB & LB ???
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I got confirmation from another person in the Unlock bootloader thread that if you restore your TA backup you get back BIONZ. I already relocked my bootloader and there is an immediate difference in camera quality. Unfortunately I don't have any low light shots...i was too stupid to take some before relocking :\ . I do have some outdoor shots though that I'll compare with tomorrow.
kantk20111 said:
I got confirmation from another person in the Unlock bootloader thread that if you restore your TA backup you get back BIONZ. I already relocked my bootloader and there is an immediate difference in camera quality. Unfortunately I don't have any low light shots...i was too stupid to take some before relocking :\ . I do have some outdoor shots though that I'll compare with tomorrow.
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And if we relock without ta then we are..... Or?
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Perfect! So if we relock with TA-Backup everything will be like nothing ever happended :good:
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And if we relock without ta then we are..... Or?
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Then you're out of luck, sorry. The TA backup should've been done when the bootloader was locked, you lose it when you unlock the BL. You can still lock your BL without your TA but none of your DRM keys come back.
Here's a quick comparison between unlocked bootloader vs locked bootloader in outdoor light. Overall there's not much difference, but LB is slightly better, especially in the colors and sometimes in sharpness. Where there's a big difference is in low light, UBL pictures have horrible sharpness and noise, LB is much better but unfortunately I don't have comparisons for those...
First image is unlocked bootloader, 2nd image is locked bootloader. Using 8mp superior auto for both. Time is slightly different, so slightly different sun angles but not by much.
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With a quick searched on the internet, I noticed that the Galaxy S4 has a sensor camera equivalent / equal Xperia Z, but your pictures are generated with 4Mb to 6.5MB, while the Xperia Z is 1Mb to 2.5Mb.
Follow the link to get an idea of the difference image!
We must inform Sony that we are completely unhappy with the image compression!
http://samsung.hdblog.it/2013/04/17/samsung-galaxy-s4-test-fotocamera-da-13-megapixel-by-hdblog/
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With a quick searched on the internet, I noticed that the Galaxy S4 has a sensor camera equivalent / equal Xperia Z, but your pictures are generated with 4Mb to 6.5MB, while the Xperia Z is 1Mb to 2.5Mb.
Follow the link to get an idea of the difference image!
We must inform Sony that we are completely unhappy with the image compression!
http://samsung.hdblog.it/2013/04/17/samsung-galaxy-s4-test-fotocamera-da-13-megapixel-by-hdblog/
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First off, replace "we" with "I". Second, SGS4 uses an unknown sensor with the same megapixel count as the Sony Exmor sensor, but then megapixels mean nothing anyway. Also, while there is a big discrepancy in file size, there is a not very big discrepancy in photo quality while zoomed in (compare photos at http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_sony_xperia_z-review-915p8.php) if you look at image sharpness and ignore colour saturation and that sort of things. I don't see why the XZ photo file sizes should then be doubled just because the SGS4 has larger photo sizes.
compression isn't bad, in my opinion
its the same sensor.check anadtech s4 dissasmbly.by the way they are using same sensor with different module.i dont have a Z or S4 to talk about quality though
The images quality will much much more better if Sony reduce the compression, or at least let user decide jpeg quality.
I think the issue isn't about compression but denoise algorythms.
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OH GUYS !
Sony have a answer :victory:
Read the answer here i hope now they will optimize the Camera :
http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/126134
dubist said:
OH GUYS !
Sony have a answer :victory:
Read the answer here i hope now they will optimize the Camera :
http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/126134
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Let's hope that there really is an improvement on the camera!
I remember when I bought my Xperia S, the first fw the camera was bad enough, but the latest updates have improved a lot!
Please vote in my research, so I can present the results to Sony!
What research??
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What research??
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2232999
Guys, look this: http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/04/1...against-the-galaxy-s4-and-htc-one/#more-14312
I don't know if this related, but Sony recently applied heavy processing and compression to picture using there DSLR.
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BR4DOKYBrazil said:
Guys, look this: http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/04/1...against-the-galaxy-s4-and-htc-one/#more-14312
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yeah i write them an Email that they should Post something and you have done that :victory:
Here the Email i wrote to Xperiablog
Its a combination of both compression (jpeg) and noise suppression (when using high ISO)
The amount of compression/suppression applied is ridiculous.
Does the "developers" of the cam part know anything about digital photography at all?
Paying premium for a low end camera....Sony think the customers are stupid?
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Its a combination of both compression (jpeg) and noise suppression (when using high ISO)
The amount of compression/suppression applied is ridiculous.
Does the "developers" of the cam part know anything about digital photography at all?
Paying premium for a low end camera....Sony think the customers are stupid?
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No, Sony is smart enough to know that your phone is not meant to take DSLR quality photos.
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pandaball said:
No, Sony is smart enough to know that your phone is not meant to take DSLR quality photos.
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Who is talking about DSLR quality?
It not even half descent by todays phone standard...
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Who is talking about DSLR quality?
It not even half descent by todays phone standard...
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Define "today's phone standard". It is one of the better phone cameras out there, as compared to phones like the HTC One. It takes absolutely brilliant shots of landscapes in my experience (borrowed a friend's XZ just to play with the camera)
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Define "today's phone standard". It is one of the better phone cameras out there, as compared to phones like the HTC One. It takes absolutely brilliant shots of landscapes in my experience (borrowed a friend's XZ just to play with the camera)
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oh sorry, i should have said yesterday's standard.
Now go get your Arc, XPS, XPV and compare
Bromsoket said:
oh sorry, i should have said yesterday's standard.
Now go get your Arc, XPS, XPV and compare
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With pleasure. (both are done on auto/superior auto respectively)
Xperia Arc: ~2.5MB, super long exposure times and thus overexposed images
Xperia V: ~2MB, slightly oversaturated blues
No XS though
But seriously, XZ is pretty darn good for the file size already.
Yes you don't hear wrong. Sony did this.Different firmware and different SuperiorAuto resolution. Check below for the samples...
This is Vodafone-UK Firmware and 20MP in SuperiorAuto Mod.And Picture is 7,17 MB(5248x3936).I flashed with Flashtool.
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And this is Original Firmware in Turkey and 8MP in SuperiorAuto Mod..And Picture is 2.86 MB(3840x2160)I updated with SE Update Service.
Flash This Firmware and see difference http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2572053..
I flashed this one. The quality look worse than before. A lot of noise and lose detail when zoom in.
So it's true. I don't know if there is any improvement.
Maybe it's vodafone who did something rather than Sony? we need more samples than 2 different firmwares in order to know exactly what is going on, since we're comparing a branded UK firmware with what I'm guessing is an unbranded turkish one?
Ideal would be comparing the vodafone UK firmware with a O2 firmware, or a unbranded UK one to se if they all do 20mb, or if it's only vodafone
a simple question is vodafone firmware better ?
I have tried Generic UK and We and both use 8mp rather than 20mp for SuperiorAuto sadly.
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CommonTsar said:
I have tried Generic UK and We and both use 8mp rather than 20mp for SuperiorAuto sadly.
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So Vodafone firmware is better? Also where did you get UK generic I have simfree device no updates.
CommonTsar said:
I have tried Generic UK and We and both use 8mp rather than 20mp for SuperiorAuto sadly.
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It is only better if you use Superior Auto. I get better results from Manual anyway, but it is just stupid that Supauto is limited to 8 rather than 20...
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Where did you get generic UK?
The only good reason to switch from Nordic to Vodafone-UK is the Camera in iAuto to make pictures with 20.7mpx. But Vodafone-UK if full of Vodafone bloatware and on 4.3 still problems to root if you want try to remove all the unnecessary apps. Also the Nordic have amazing battery improvement and I do not want lose that so I will think twice to switch to another FTF just for the camera.
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The only good reason to switch from Nordic to Vodafone-UK is the Camera in iAuto to make pictures with 20.7mpx. But Vodafone-UK if full of Vodafone bloatware and on 4.3 still problems to root if you want try to remove all the unnecessary apps. Also the Nordic have amazing battery improvement and I do not want lose that so I will think twice to switch to another FTF just for the camera.
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Same here..i hope there is unbranded ftf that supports this two:
1.default 20MP in superior auto or better if we can change the MP manually in superior auto in their next release firmware..
2. Better battery life and saves more ram in firmware.
Correct me if im wrong..
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Same here..i hope there is unbranded ftf that supports this two:
1.default 20MP in superior auto or better if we can change the MP manually in superior auto in their next release firmware..
2. Better battery life and saves more ram in firmware.
Correct me if im wrong..
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You are not wrong at all. I am sure this features in custom roms will be available soon but with stock one we have to choice witch one use.
I just checked mine and superior auto is shooting in 20MP with the 4.3 FW I downloaded from PC companion. Unbranded Hong Kong version C6903
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I just checked mine and superior auto is shooting in 20MP with the 4.3 FW I downloaded from PC companion. Unbranded Hong Kong version C6903
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Really? Wow! How's the audio enhancement?not crashing while using it? And how's the battery life?
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Really? Wow! How's the audio enhancement?not crashing while using it? And how's the battery life?
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I had to factory reset to fix the settings in sound enhancements from crashing, once I did that all was fine. Audio seems a little louder, quality was always good for me so don't notice much of a difference compared to 4.2.2. Battery life is fantastic thus far but still need to give it a few more days to get a better feel for it.
Well that's good for you..just let us know after trying your battery life within this days.ok?
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I don't get why 20 MP on a miniscule chip are considered a good thing. Just means more noise. I think the 8 MP are just perfect for what I realistically 'shoot' with the Z1 - snapshots when I don't have a real camera with me.
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I don't get why 20 MP on a miniscule chip are considered a good thing. Just means more noise. I think the 8 MP are just perfect for what I realistically 'shoot' with the Z1 - snapshots when I don't have a real camera with me.
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Agree, but why not? I will like to have this options can be useful sometime. What I don't understand yet is how Vodafone FTF is set up to do that and many FTF don't. It's a choice of Vodafone or Sony?
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I had to factory reset to fix the settings in sound enhancements from crashing, once I did that all was fine. Audio seems a little louder, quality was always good for me so don't notice much of a difference compared to 4.2.2. Battery life is fantastic thus far but still need to give it a few more days to get a better feel for it.
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Do you have a link for the version you flashed?
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Do you have a link for the version you flashed?
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He got his update through PC Companion....
Future Z1 Compact user here (still waiting for it to be release here in our region)!
Haven't seen a camera samples thread here so I started one. Share our pics, tricks, and tips here!
Sample
Here are some pictures from reviews. These are taken from Recombu and in no way belongs to me.
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Manual 8 MP; ISO 400
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Here are some pictures from reviews. These are taken from Recombu and in no way belongs to me.
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Manual 8 MP; Auto ISO (80)
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Tip no. 1 .... Don't use Auto mode. It sucks.
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Tip no. 1 .... Don't use Auto mode. It sucks.
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Superior Auto mode sucks... Manual Mode with Auto ISO doesn't.
Manual, 8 mpix
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Manual 8mp night scene. Also I might just suck at photography.
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Suggest people use flickr so we can see the settings used. tapatalk is useless at understanding how the camera works.
if you cannot do that then mention iso, shutter speed & scn mode (if any). This will get you looking at these parameters and help to understand why shots don't turn out as expected or how to get better ones.
Here's one of my test shots, I really like the dynamic range of the camera (see shadow detail)
F/2, 1/800s, ISO 50, Manual Mode @ 20MP (iirc)
original (left) and edited with Snapseed (right)
Good concert samples from louis0815
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50454715&postcount=2
Is anyone else finding the shutter lag really bad on this phone? After I press the capture button it seems like it freezes the frame and takes a photo, but then clearly continues the exposure for another half second or so before finalizing, meaning if you move the camera it goes into blursville.
In general it seems pretty bad at capturing anything in motion (and I mean mild motion, not requiring sports mode).
I'm really stunned as to how Sony can have allowed such a flawed camera onto a flagship device. In ideal conditions like sunlight etc it takes AMAZING photos, pretty much digicam quality... but you almost need a tripod to get a clear shot in lower light conditions. It's a bit of a bummer for a device which is in every other respect awesome.
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Is anyone else finding the shutter lag really bad on this phone? After I press the capture button it seems like it freezes the frame and takes a photo, but then clearly continues the exposure for another half second or so before finalizing, meaning if you move the camera it goes into blursville.
In general it seems pretty bad at capturing anything in motion (and I mean mild motion, not requiring sports mode).
I'm really stunned as to how Sony can have allowed such a flawed camera onto a flagship device. In ideal conditions like sunlight etc it takes AMAZING photos, pretty much digicam quality... but you almost need a tripod to get a clear shot in lower light conditions. It's a bit of a bummer for a device which is in every other respect awesome.
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I haven't notice this on mine. My kid is constantly on the move and don't usually have problems getting a good shot.
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Edited on stock Sony software on a stock phone.
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Gothenburg
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Gothenburg
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Yep. A lot better than Davenport, Iowa USA.
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I haven't taken that many pictures but I really like the colours in this one. That's done on superior auto at 8mp. One thing that annoys me is that you can't set superior auto to use the full 20mp
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Dear all,
Would you mind checking the manufacturing date of your Z1C and share?
I wrote in a different thread:
I bought the device and I was very disappointed with the camera. I tried different modes and settings and in all of them the same photos I took with the galaxy S2 were significantly better (more focused, less noise, more vivid colors, more details in crops..) ! (regular scenes/light conditions).
In addition I have the flash leakage problem..
Also the camera looses focus during video capture..
...
I think maybe the first manufacturing line has these problems which are also reported online, could you kindly check the manufacturing date of your device?
Mine is Oct, 2013 (black version)
Thanks !!
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Those look really beautiful to me. What settings did you use for these?
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I bought the device and I was very disappointed with the camera. I tried different modes and settings and in all of them the same photos I took with the galaxy S2 were significantly better (more focused, less noise, more vivid colors, more details in crops..) ! (regular scenes/light conditions).
In addition I have the flash leakage problem..
Also the camera looses focus during video capture..
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I'm also a bit disappointed by the camera to be honest. My previous phone was the galaxy S2. In my opinion the camera performs pretty bad under low lightning (manual mode, no settings touched) and also not really special under normal conditions. Maybe I just suck at photographing.
I don't have any flash leakage problem though.
All:
I have a Sony Z3 D6603
I bit the bullet, unlocked my bootloader. Rooted and I immediately checked everything to see if there was anything missing/changed.
I can confirm that all Xperia settings remain in tact. Including X-reality, TrackID, all the display tweaking, connectivity settings, it's all just there. Not only is it there...I tested them.
Now on to the biggest question...photo processing and image quality.
I took photos before the unlock. And after the unlock. Unfortunately it was a different time of day, and I didn't take the image of the exact same thing each time. So it's not a perfect comparison but I could see no difference in quality. In fact I was lying in bed late at night, light off, I decided to take a photo of my bedroom pointing at a flat screen monitor in the distance used to monitor my security cameras. I was blown away at how well the photo is lit given I was in complete darkness.
I'm not photo expert, so all I can do is tell you I saw no difference. But in the end it was well worth unlocking the BL and no features have been lost. By the way, sorry these aren't full size.
One more thing...there's a lot of talk about backing up the DRM keys? I assume that's on the TA partition? Well...when doing my TWRP backup, I noticed I had the option to check the TA partition. I did...not sure if restoring it would actually make any difference (especially considering I didn't see a difference anyway). But it would seem to me that if I can see the TA partition in TWRP and actually back it up that it's not lost?
LOCKED BL - Testing Background Blur
LOCKED BL
LOCKED BL
UNLOCKED BL (slightly different time of day, now we're in the evening hours, not as much sunlight coming in my home)
UNLOCKED BL w/FLASH ON (evening hours again, not much sunlight coming in the home, decided to test with flash).
UNLOCKED BL w/FLASH ON --- This is in my bedroom, pitch black, not lights on. Flash ON - Z3
UNLOCKED BL no flash -- Limited lighting in the room
Interesting... What about official updates OTA? Could you do a factory reset and test it?
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The different for the UL is when you don that, your camera cannot get a good picture in low-light mode and if you see your picture you can see a lot of noise in the low-light.
I'm worried about the PS4 screen streaming, it comes in november and maybe it needs the drm keys or Bravia engine. No one knows til the update has been released.
To answer your questions
To answer the questions ....
1. Anytime you unlock your bootloader you can't get updates through official means. That doesn't bother me since someone always ends up posting a TWRP/CWM compatible upgrade package to overcome that.
2. I know unlocking your BL is suppose to affect low-light performance. Which is why I took the picture of my bedroom (the one with the monitor) in the background. I was sitting in pure darkness in my room when taking the photo with flash on. I thought it did a fine job. Though again I should have taken the same pic in the room before unlocking the BL. In the end I guess my point is, unless you're super picky I don't notice a tremendous difference. Does the camera at 20MP locked or unlocked look dramatically different from the LG Optimus G, HTC One M7, or HTC M8 I've owned previously, not really.
My main goal was to ensure performance wasn't DRASTICALLY reduced to the point I was pissed off. Mission accomplished. If it can do better in low light, great but for me this will suffice. Worth having Titanium Backup, Adaway, TWRP, etc.
3. I can't be positive since the update hasn't been released but if all the other features are working, I don't see why they would disable Playstation function. But I have no intention on using that anyway. I don't even play games with my phone. I can confirm that the PS3/PS4 pair with controller function is still there. And while I'm at work and didn't test it, I walked-thru as far as I could go without having a controller and all indications point to the ability still working. I did read that someone with an UL Bootloader confirmed TrackID wasn't working. But I actually used TrackID to identify music playing with no issue. Further allowing me to think that the PS integration should be no issue either.
In the end it's all at your own risk. But unless you're a super photography nut I think you'll find the camera is on par with most other flagship camera smartphones. Even at 20Mp, I never saw anything earth shattering before the UL or after. Definitely didn't notice anything adverse that made me say "damn it, why did I do that". I just wanted to help those on the fence.
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Why do a comparison if you are gonna blame it on the time of day anyway? The UL pics looks much, much worse. Look at the keys on the laptop for example. Or anywhere, really.
Not saying it wasn't worth it for you to unlock it or anything, that's up to each own. :good:
PePPiZCH said:
Why do a comparison if you are gonna blame it on the time of day anyway? The UL pics looks much, much worse. Look at the keys on the laptop for example. Or anywhere, really.
Not saying it wasn't worth it for you to unlock it or anything, that's up to each own. :good:
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I didn't blame anything on anything. I simply stated there would be some differences since one pic has natural lighting coming in, the other has artificial lighting. I guess you see the difference, for me it's negligible. So yeah, to each his own. When I want DSLR quality, I pull out my DSLR.
Crop 100% your pics.
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Look into HTC logo and dark edge of the phone. Which one better?
The top pictures look better to me.
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Which one has the natural colors? I would believe the lower one (as colors are not manipulated)?
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@Zanr Zij
Which one has the natural colors? I would believe the lower one (as colors are not manipulated)?
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As I compared before, UB make better image in term of color rendering .
Zanr Zij said:
As I compared before, UB make better image in term of color rendering .
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Hey buddy, are the other features like, X reality, super vivid mode, Hi-res audio and S-Force surround sound working after unlocking the bootloader??
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Hey buddy, are the other features like, X reality, super vivid mode, Hi-res audio and S-Force surround sound working after unlocking the bootloader??
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On my Z2, the options to disable and enable these settings in menu was not greyed out. I could tounr them on and of from settings, but they did not work! There where noe difference between on and off
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Hey buddy, are the other features like, X reality, super vivid mode, Hi-res audio and S-Force surround sound working after unlocking the bootloader??
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I haven't test more that this thread discussed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/z3-compact/general/loss-drm-keys-t2890936
What the actual ****, Sony?
I always noticed something was sheit about this camera and I kind of knew it was about the image processing but never realised just how had it is.
Standard picture, manual, 21mp 4:3, no HDR, fully zoomed in:
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Screenshot from a 4K video, no SteadyShot, H264, fully zoomed in:
How could you possibly ruin a picture so much? Not to mention the raw image from the 21mp shot has a much better quality than a frame from a video!
Does anyone know of a way to disable this?
Sony has messed up the camera with lag to launch it and to do a capture... I dont understand really what is the issue to improve that. I have readed that RAM is important.
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Sony has messed up the camera with lag to launch it and to do a capture... I dont understand really what is the issue to improve that. I have readed that RAM is important.
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RAM might be related to the launch issue but where is the problem in just disabling the anti-noise algorithm altogether?
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Standard picture, manual, 21mp 4:3, no HDR, fully zoomed in:
Screenshot from a 4K video, no SteadyShot, H264, fully zoomed in:
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Fixed ur links for u
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WOW
looks like the camera app needs to be rewritten from scratch !
with camera2 api in mind maybe ?!
ztv-- said:
RAM might be related to the launch issue but where is the problem in just disabling the anti-noise algorithm altogether?
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Yeah, where is it. Algorithm is all broken around... Really it isn't understable. Sometimes I think if Sony has something under contract with the others companies and it messes up the software post process.... It's the unique lame in Sony right now if you see the Galaxy S7, LG G5, Huawei P9... Curious thing that Sony is the coolest thing in the sensor industry. Casualty or...
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Fixed ur links for u
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Ty, can't post links yet.
anasgets111 said:
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looks like the camera app needs to be rewritten from scratch !
with camera2 api in mind maybe ?!
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It's nothing short of ridiculous that this phone does not fully support Camera 2 API yet. Sony has been marketing this phone all around the camera but they don't deliver anything.
I'll put up a post on the Sony forums and see how it turns out.
So if we want a good quality picture, record in 4k and take a screenshot? Lol
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So if we want a good quality picture, record in 4k and take a screenshot? Lol
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The best camera in the world, isnt? lol
I've noticed when you double tap to zoom in it zooms in A LOT. Meaning you see more noise/blurriness. In other phones when you double tap to zoom it doesn't zoom in as much so it looks sharper. But the camera is actually pretty good, SA sometimes gets it completely wrong in low light situation and the shutter lag is ridiculous. Takes too long to take a picture.
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So if we want a good quality picture, record in 4k and take a screenshot? Lol
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That is literally what I did when I took a bike trip yesterday. Recorded about 1:40 minutes which resulted in almost a gigabyte of video and I extracted exactly 47 still images out of that.
You need a lot of storage but it's a possible workaround. Sad this camera ruins an otherwise great phone.
the camera supports manual controls with fv-5 camera app . Just no raw suport
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the camera supports manual controls with fv-5 camera app . Just no raw suport
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And only 8mp
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And only 8mp
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Nothing comes close as stock app with manual controls, like samsung or lg camera apps.
I tried that camera fv 5 or how it was called actualy, and i was not impressed at all.
I really like this phone, but I am dissapointed with the camera.
Also camera interface sucks, it is okay for auto mode but for manual mode you have to go in settings just to change iso or hdr? Really Sony?
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Sony has messed up the camera with lag to launch it and to do a capture... I dont understand really what is the issue to improve that. I have readed that RAM is important.
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They seemed to have improved it significantly in the Xperia X, which is ridiculous as its specs aren't more powerful than the Z5. They are also advertising 0.6 shutter response from standby and "almost instantaneous" shutter response from normal use of the app. Yet if you look at a few of the MWC demos, you can see the shutter response is faster but it still captures very slightly after... On the show floor there were two demos emphasizing the autofocus and shutter from standby, but few people filming there actually showed the shutter response conclusively.
Third party apps have the potential to have less shutter lag but I found the on-screen camera button and physical button to be often unresponsive, probably because the autofocus is badly optimized.