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US exynos root knox 0x0 nov 5 2013 status/bounty

Hey guys I was so impressed with my new snap 800 note 3
I pushed my old man to ditch his pos nexus 10 and get a 10.1 2014 asap it just came in literally 45min ago.
Are there any bounty threads rolling yet for 0X0 root on the US exynos 10.1 2014 edition yet? (Christ can they make the name any more longer and confusing FFS?)
Thanks! Seems like a great unit compared to the n10 I hope we can get more than 4 hrs battery. Ugh.. the n10 was a disaster if we get battery close to to note 3 this baby is a keeper.
Cheers!

There was a bounty thread for creating a root method with KNOX 0x0 and we had a developer, Beanstown, take on the challenge. However, his root method, while successful in rooting the device, trips the KNOX counter. He collected the $300+ bounty anyway, even though he only accomplished half of what the bounty was for, and effectively killed off the only incentive we had to offer for getting a full proof root from another, more capable developer.
He's an asset to the XDA community, I'm sure he has contributed a great deal to the Android customization scene, he did give us root and people were happy enough to contribute their pledge to him, but personally, I think it was a **** move on his part to collect it. As a man, if I didn't deliver on what's expected of me I would not have collected the $ or would have only taken half of it, seeing as I only accomplished half the goal.
I mean think about what that says to people considering buying this tablet, "Yeah, you can root it, but your $600 tablet is now completely void of warranty, good luck when something happens" That's not exactly gonna create enough interest from people who are into customizing their android devices, people who serve as a source of demand to get more developers working on this, so we're kind of stuck in a development limbo.
Anyways, it was before my time on here and people did with their money as they chose, can't fault them. However. I'd be happy to pledge $20 towards a real root method.

vdc530 said:
There was a bounty thread for creating a root method with KNOX 0x0 and we had a developer, Beanstown, take on the challenge. However, his root method, while successful in rooting the device, trips the KNOX counter. He collected the $300+ bounty anyway, even though he only accomplished half of what the bounty was for, and effectively killed off the only incentive we had to offer for getting a full proof root from another, more capable developer.
He's an asset to the XDA community, I'm sure he has contributed a great deal to the Android customization scene, he did give us root and people where happy enough to contribute their pledge to him, but personally, I think it was a **** move on his part to collect it. As a man, if I didn't deliver on what's expected of me I would not have collected the $ or would have taken half of it, seeing as I only accomplished half the goal.
I mean think about what that says to people considering picking up this tablet, "Yeah, you can root it, but your $600 tablet is now completely void of warranty, good luck when something happens" That's not exactly gonna create enough interest from people who are into customizing their android devices, people who serve as a source of demand to get more developers working on this, so we're kind of in development limbo.
Anyway, it was before my time on here and people did with their money as they chose, can't fault them. However. I'd be happy to pledge $20 towards a real root method.
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Yeah, I made a pledge for root and was disappointed to find that it tripped knox. I didn't specify 0x0 (since I didn't know much about knox prior to this) so I paid up. Definitely doesn't motivate me to pledge again on things I don't have a full understanding of but IF there is a full success I will donate again. I keep hoping that beans is still working on it and has every intent to finish what he started. As it stands, I don't care to take advantage of the root that I helped to fund.

I am VERY careful of who and what I send funds to, one, I'm not rich, and two, if I sent funds to every pledge that wanted it, I'd be broke.

ckelly33 said:
Yeah, I made a pledge for root and was disappointed to find that it tripped knox. I didn't specify 0x0 (since I didn't know much about knox prior to this) so I paid up. Definitely doesn't motivate me to pledge again on things I don't have a full understanding of but IF there is a full success I will donate again. I keep hoping that beans is still working on it and has every intent to finish what he started. As it stands, I don't care to take advantage of the root that I helped to fund.
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About 2 weeks ago, one of his very last posts in this section of XDA was about how he was planning on returning the Note '14 and waiting for the 2nd generation Nexus. So who knows?
I think the best thing to do will be for us, as a community, to figure out ways to drum up developer support for this device in more ways then just a bounty. We currently have a couple of members who have reached out to Note III developers who have shown interest in creating Roms for the Note tablet. Some of us are trying to put together a custom recovery using an automated method, but so far it hasn't been successful and none of us are really that experienced in these things.
If we can drum up support from developers for recoveries, roms or roots, then eventually they will figure out a way to reverse the KNOX counter for everyone who rooted their device the Beanstown106 way as well. Because even if you're the luckiest person on the planet, got a zero fault device or you treat this tablet like it's a Rolls Royce, it's eventually going to run out of battery cycles just from charging the device every day. And that battery is going to need to be replaced. (Li-Ion batteries get around 300 cycles before serious degradation occurs, so expect it happening in the first year) We can't really leave these people out in the cold with a $600 tablet in their hands, especially people who have no idea what that KNOX counter does.

I wish I had the funds to just buy one for development, maybe we need to set up a permanent fund on XDA, that one could draw from if they could prove that they were deserving of it by meeting certain requirements. This asking funds for every device is getting to be too expensive.

HOLY S&!%!!!!!
In the Note 3's general forum they have a bounty going since mid October two find a way to reverse the KNOX counter and it's reached nearly $1200 and counting, yet not single person has been able to do it lmao. It's probably the most popular phone out right and has massive developer support behind it yet nobody can crack it even with a cool G on the line.
Regardless of the past, we need to get another bounty going for a full proof method because in the end it'll be the cheaper alternative.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2486346

If there is somebody who finds a way it shouldn't take so much time until this device will get a trick by that person or another who ports that trick. Both devices are similar as fas as I know, aren't they?

rboy28 said:
If there is somebody who finds a way it shouldn't take so much time until this device will get a trick by that person or another who ports that trick. Both devices are similar as fas as I know, aren't they?
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Note 3 has full proof root methods for all variations. Both kinds of custom recovery options, even for the international Note 3 that shares our CPU. Tons of Roms. And we're sitting here with nothing on all counts.
So, no.
Based on that, I would say it won't be easy.

vdc530 said:
Note 3 has full proof root methods for all variations. Both kinds of custom recovery options...
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Custom recovery even for Verizon variant? I thought that hadn't been done yet.

Han Solo 1 said:
Custom recovery even for Verizon variant? I thought that hadn't been done yet.
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I dunno dude. I'm not too concerned with the Note 3, all I know is they have infinitely more stuff and it ain't making its way over here.
Nothing from the exynos variation which should be VERY similar is making its way here.

vdc530 said:
Note 3 has full proof root methods for all variations. Both kinds of custom recovery options, even for the international Note 3 that shares our CPU. Tons of Roms. And we're sitting here with nothing on all counts.
So, no.
Based on that, I would say it won't be easy.
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At this moment the Note 3 has more stuff than the Note 10.1 2014, but that doesn't mean that our device won't have that stuff in nearly future. Now, the N3 is more popular than our.
I'm optimistic because the more progress on N3 means more progress for N10.1 2014 - I hope
For example, I won't do anything (even root) my device until KNOX has been bypassed (the hardware part). If it is bypassed on N3 devs for our device can port it somehow for us.

rboy28 said:
At this moment the Note 3 has more stuff than the Note 10.1 2014, but that doesn't mean that our device won't have that stuff in nearly future. Now, the N3 is more popular than our.
I'm optimistic because the more progress on N3 means more progress for N10.1 2014 - I hope
For example, I won't do anything (even root) my device until KNOX has been bypassed (the hardware part). If it is bypassed on N3 devs for our device can port it somehow for us.
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You're right. We'll just have to wait and keep our fingers crossed.

Reversing the efuse is going to be tough and will likley take more knowledge than most developers have. Efuses are a *field-programmable gate array*(FPGA) technology. Reversing the efuse will require an electrical or computer engineer. I happen to be a graduate student in Electrical and Computer engineering and have done extensive work with FPGA technology. Without knowing the software side of things and how the tablet is causing the re-configuration of the transistors, undoing it once it is done might be impossible without the use of specific tools only Samsung has. Reversing the fuse is totally possible, and I'm sure Samsung has the hardware to reset it.
I'll run this by a few of my software folks and see what they think. It's funny.. As a technology buff, working in the upper echelon of technology, it's amazing to me that non of my friends or coworkers root their phones, or even know what root is... Its crazy
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Knock it Off Please
Ok folks, I closed the thread to give chances to back away from the keyboard for awhile (or back away from the bottle), and think about what you're going to post.
Yes, I cleaned out the thread of some really useless and derogatory comments.
True, there were some valid points, unfortunately, I, nor anyone else will take the time to edit them amongst all the useless e-peen garbage that was included in them.
So if your post was deleted, it was because you did a “Reply to”, and junk was in the “quoted part”.
Clearly some folks think it's ok to bypass the “swear” filters, unfortunately we mods will get notified eventually. So if 'ya think yer bein smart........
I'm not gonna “bring out the ban hammer” at this time, but I would advise “some” people, to be careful of what they post, and to have a little respect for each other. We all have devices, and all want to make them better than what they are. We also make mistakes, sometimes foolish (I myself have, so I know how it is). However, that doesn't mean to one should go off on a rampage and grill users who have.
So I will ask you folks try and be civil to each other, and not behave like “trolls”, and not to reply to trollish comments as it only adds fuel to the fire, as if I have to come back and do a “clean-up in aisle 6” again, the outcome won't be so pretty. Use the “report post” function, and be the end of it.
As with “bounty”, I can say generally a method is developed eventually, so no need for bounties, although sometimes they serve a purpose. But generally a method gets exploited eventually.
One should never be in a hurry to brick their device.
Thread Re-opened.
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Oh, and as far as "knox" you all might want to check with @Chainfire . I understand he knows more about it than anybody Seem to remember he came up with a method to re-set it on certain devices...... something to that effect..
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Moscow Desire said:
Oh, and as far as "knox" you all might want to check with @Chainfire . I understand he knows more about it than anybody Seem to remember he came up with a method to re-set it on certain devices...... something to that effect..
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Out of curiosity you a link for any info regarding any devices where this was reset? Personally don't care about Knox but I'm curious as hell as how it may have been done....And to what stopping from working on all devices as that's a decent motivation (the thousand plus bounty) to working on variants....although be almost that methodology be completely different between Snapdragon and Exynos chips....

asaqwert said:
Out of curiosity you a link for any info regarding any devices where this was reset? Personally don't care about Knox but I'm curious as hell as how it may have been done....And to what stopping from working on all devices as that's a decent motivation (the thousand plus bounty) to working on variants....although be almost that methodology be completely different between Snapdragon and Exynos chips....
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If I am not mistaken, I came across it in the SGS III (international) forums. Seeing I am planning to upgrade to SGS III, I was checking root and development. Chainfire has CF Auto root, and also I remember seeing how they reset the knox counter (or bypassed it)
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Moscow Desire said:
If I am not mistaken, I came across it in the SGS III (international) forums. Seeing I am planning to upgrade to SGS III, I was checking root and development. Chainfire has CF Auto root, and also I remember seeing how they reset the knox counter (or bypassed it)
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I had the GS3 international version and I don't remember there ever being a knox efuse like the newer devices. It did have a flash counter and Jorrit(chainfire) did have a method to reset that (Unless later firmwares implemented knox after I got rid of the device which seems like ages ago)
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graffixnyc said:
I had the GS3 international version and I don't remember there ever being a knox efuse like the newer devices. It did have a flash counter and Jorrit(chainfire) did have a method to reset that (Unless later firmwares implemented knox after I got rid of the device which seems like ages ago)
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Yeah, you may be right. Perhaps it was the flash counter. Will see in another week when I get mine. (will be a giant step up from the original HTC Desire). Not to sure I'm keen on using Odin though Will feel like a n00b all over again!
However, recent "leaks" of firmware from Sammy have arrived "without" knox (according to recent Portal posts). Whether they incorporate it into the "official" releases remains to be seen though. One can only hope they've seen the errors of their ways and scrapped it.

VERIZON G2 - Are Custom Kernels a GO?

Im thinking about swapping my vzw Note 3 for a G2 as it seems like development is much more active on the G2.
I see we have roms, etc but Im not seeing any Kernels just yet.
Are custom kernels currently flashable on the Verizon LG G2 Variant at this point?
thanks!

deathshead said:
Im thinking about swapping my vzw Note 3 for a G2 as it seems like development is much more active on the G2.
I see we have roms, etc but Im not seeing any Kernels just yet.
Are custom kernels currently flashable on the Verizon LG G2 Variant at this point?
thanks!
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Yep and the vwz variant does have a custom kernel available, its just a bit tricky to find.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2472318

your_m0m said:
Yep and the vwz variant does have a custom kernel available, its just a bit tricky to find.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2472318
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NICE! - At this point with Note 3, it does NOT look too good unfortunately for custom Kernels. I'm loosing faith.
Plus no Knox 0x1 crap to worry about..
Looks like the wife gets my note 3 and ill pickup the White G2 once its available.
thanks sir!

Can someone enlighten me about what's going on with the note 3? What is the problem from a development standpoint?

I bougt a used S4 that had that freaking me7 update on it and was in the same position. Wife now has the S4.
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Can someone enlighten me about what's going on with the note 3? What is the problem from a development standpoint?
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Bootloader locked down tight and that Knox crap makes it even more difficult. I think they have safestrap, but I don't think much can be done with the kernel.

your_m0m said:
I bougt a used S4 that had that freaking me7 update on it and was in the same position. Wife now has the S4.
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Bootloader locked down tight and that Knox crap makes it even more difficult. I think they have safestrap, but I don't think much can be done with the kernel.
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Can't be loki'd? I know our bootloaders are still locked but obviously these are 2 different devices with 2 completely different firmwares
Edit. Can someone educate me a bit about this "Knox" please?

Walter21026 said:
Can't be loki'd? I know our bootloaders are still locked but obviously these are 2 different devices with 2 completely different firmwares
Edit. Can someone educate me a bit about this "Knox" please?
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On the older firmwares you could use loki, but Sammy didn't like that so the next update patched the Loki exploit. Looks like the fix made its way to other flagship samsung phones likelike the note 3. Its bad, you can't even flash a previous firmware due to qfuse checks so these devices are locked down quite tight.

Walter21026 said:
Can't be loki'd? I know our bootloaders are still locked but obviously these are 2 different devices with 2 completely different firmwares
Edit. Can someone educate me a bit about this "Knox" please?
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Google "Knox Samsung Galaxy S4". Read first three links and if you still have questions come back and ask specific intelligent questions. The greatest power is your ability to educate yourself. :silly:

Mandelbrot.Benoit said:
Google "Knox Samsung Galaxy S4". Read first three links and if you still have questions come back and ask specific intelligent questions. The greatest power is your ability to educate yourself. :silly:
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No that's okay, I'd rather ask here since we are on this topic and and discussion. You see we are on the topic so it's not a mistake to ask about the topic on hand otherwise there is never a need for a Q&A thread on XDA. As long as it pertains to the topic and doesn't skew off. Try again buddy :good:

Verizon Note 3 is currently Safestrap with TWRP only at this point.
with 1 custom rom on the vzw variant and it trips Knox to 0x1 - meaning voided warranty.
Knowing we can flash kernels on the G2 makes it a more attractive option than the Note 3.
I mean the n3 is a BEAST device, but the G2 just feels better in the hand and I dont use spen on it ever.
(although its useful and frequently used on the Note 10.1 2014)
I think a major issue with development right now is the vast number of devices currently on the market vs the amount of good devs to go around.

Walter21026 said:
No that's okay, I'd rather ask here since we are on this topic and and discussion. You see we are on the topic so it's not a mistake to ask about the topic on hand otherwise there is never a need for a Q&A thread on XDA. As long as it pertains to the topic and doesn't skew off. Try again buddy :good:
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Lmao! You are absolutely right. But I never said you were off topic. I just found the first three links incredibly insightful for understanding what Knox is. If a small three sentence paragraph is good for you then my apologies! :highfive:

Mandelbrot.Benoit said:
Lmao! You are absolutely right. But I never said you were off topic. I just found the first three links incredibly insightful for understanding what Knox is. If a small three sentence paragraph is good for you then my apologies! :highfive:
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Lol, You sir made my day! And for that you have received my thanks :highfive:

I find it hilarious that some guy made a post in this section "complaining" about the "lack" of dev support
for the G2 when i pop in the vzw variant section and see like 10 roms currently available and ability to flash kernels,
Go check out the verizon note 3 original development forum, there are count them 2... yes TWO lousy threads
with like 900 posts and 850 of them are people nagging and whining about progress.. lol

deathshead said:
I find it hilarious that some guy made a post in this section "complaining" about the "lack" of dev support
for the G2 when i pop in the vzw variant section and see like 10 roms currently available and ability to flash kernels,
Go check out the verizon note 3 original development forum, there are count them 2... yes TWO lousy threads
with like 900 posts and 850 of them are people nagging and whining about progress.. lol
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I think people are forgetting that we have 7 variants of the G2 and because of that the dev support is pretty fragmented. One carrier has 3 roms another carrier thread has 12 roms. Its really more of a hit and miss. The dev support is not lacking in the least bit, at all. Its just the G2 has way too many variants so naturally the dev supports is going to be a bit scattered here and there.

Plus the G2 and Note3 are basically the same phone.
Why I picked the G2 over the Note3:
- No built in Wireless Charging. The Note 3 has a Wireless Charging backplate addon, but it adds thickness and prevents usage of the Feather cases.
- Too damn big. I really loved the Note3 and I wanted to buy it, but it destroys my hands. It's so top heavy that 1 handed use is impossible.
- No dev support. Biggest bummer. I initially thought it was due to being new, but found it was locked down tight. I heard there will be a developer edition that is unlocked if you want to pay full price for the device.
- I thought the SPen would be useful but thinking I'd probably end up on custom roms (or probably not with no dev) that the SPen would probably become useless.
- Note 3 was $200 more then the G2.
As far as Dev Support, lots are just preparing for 4.4. There are some big changes in 4.4 that are giving everyone fits. The devices that are currently getting ports are buggy and have graphical glitches. Plus most of the work is already done with them just branching off older custom roms/kernels.
Lots of dev groups don't have solid 4.4 setups yet or are not even finished with 4.3. AOKP is going to start from scratch. CM11 is just starting up. There isn't a whole lot of reason to start development on 4.3 roms when 4.4 was coming out. Now that 4.4 has been out, the devs want to get a stable build before adding devices to the mix.
Several of the CM and AOKP guys have G2s. The kernels are the important thing. If we can backport the N5 kernels then we'll have a long and updated lifespan.

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Plus the G2 and Note3 are basically the same phone.
Why I picked the G2 over the Note3:
- No built in Wireless Charging. The Note 3 has a Wireless Charging backplate addon, but it adds thickness and prevents usage of the Feather cases.
- Too damn big. I really loved the Note3 and I wanted to buy it, but it destroys my hands. It's so top heavy that 1 handed use is impossible.
- No dev support. Biggest bummer. I initially thought it was due to being new, but found it was locked down tight. I heard there will be a developer edition that is unlocked if you want to pay full price for the device.
- I thought the SPen would be useful but thinking I'd probably end up on custom roms (or probably not with no dev) that the SPen would probably become useless.
- Note 3 was $200 more then the G2.
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^ Hearing this from one of our recognized developers adds credence to what im reading elsewhere. This is pretty ugly, could this be what the future holds for all flagship devices or any device in gerenal, and not just those named Samsung. Clearly OEM manufacturers are trying to inhibit the ability to modify what really belongs to the buyer in the end.

player911 said:
Plus the G2 and Note3 are basically the same phone.
Why I picked the G2 over the Note3:
- No built in Wireless Charging. The Note 3 has a Wireless Charging backplate addon, but it adds thickness and prevents usage of the Feather cases.
- Too damn big. I really loved the Note3 and I wanted to buy it, but it destroys my hands. It's so top heavy that 1 handed use is impossible.
- No dev support. Biggest bummer. I initially thought it was due to being new, but found it was locked down tight. I heard there will be a developer edition that is unlocked if you want to pay full price for the device.
- I thought the SPen would be useful but thinking I'd probably end up on custom roms (or probably not with no dev) that the SPen would probably become useless.
- Note 3 was $200 more then the G2.
As far as Dev Support, lots are just preparing for 4.4. There are some big changes in 4.4 that are giving everyone fits. The devices that are currently getting ports are buggy and have graphical glitches. Plus most of the work is already done with them just branching off older custom roms/kernels.
Lots of dev groups don't have solid 4.4 setups yet or are not even finished with 4.3. AOKP is going to start from scratch. CM11 is just starting up. There isn't a whole lot of reason to start development on 4.3 roms when 4.4 was coming out. Now that 4.4 has been out, the devs want to get a stable build before adding devices to the mix.
Several of the CM and AOKP guys have G2s. The kernels are the important thing. If we can backport the N5 kernels then we'll have a long and updated lifespan.
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AGREED! 10000% Brotha.
I love the note 3 as well, but have the same beef with it too.
Its a weird phenomenon with the Note 3 when your holding it outside and a gust of wind comes
it feels like its going to sail right out of your hand, lol..
I thought I would use all the touchwiz stuff. but I havent touched any of it, again spen makes perfect sense on the 10.1 2014 tablet.
but it just dosent pan out well for me, my handwriting sucks as i have been typing since I was 6yrs old, the LAST thing I want to do is pick up a pen and start writing. on my credit card receipts its just a scribble,
I used spen 2 times, to cut out faces of people and enlarge them. and the novelty wore off.
The only beef i can find with the G2 is VZW,.. of course they just HAD to have thier own special variant with that tramp stamp and special back.
but thats easily overlooked as all i need is a good GLASS screen protector and i run the back naked.
Size.
The screen on the g2 is almost as big at the note 3, but just that c-hair small enough to fit your hand its right at that limit.

deathshead said:
AGREED! 10000% Brotha.
I love the note 3 as well, but have the same beef with it too.
Its a weird phenomenon with the Note 3 when your holding it outside and a gust of wind comes
it feels like its going to sail right out of your hand, lol..
I thought I would use all the touchwiz stuff. but I havent touched any of it, again spen makes perfect sense on the 10.1 2014 tablet.
but it just dosent pan out well for me, my handwriting sucks as i have been typing since I was 6yrs old, the LAST thing I want to do is pick up a pen and start writing. on my credit card receipts its just a scribble,
I used spen 2 times, to cut out faces of people and enlarge them. and the novelty wore off.
The only beef i can find with the G2 is VZW,.. of course they just HAD to have thier own special variant with that tramp stamp and special back.
but thats easily overlooked as all i need is a good GLASS screen protector and i run the back naked.
Size.
The screen on the g2 is almost as big at the note 3, but just that c-hair small enough to fit your hand its right at that limit.
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Yes the glass screen protectors have black/white areas that cover up the front logos. Look in the Accessories forum for the glass sp thread.
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No more dev?

Hy i'm a little scared, i don't see a lot of dev on this tablet.
Is there a problem?

I don't think a solution go the Knox trip has emerged so not many want to void their warranty for root ability
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mambraxneol said:
Hy i'm a little scared, i don't see a lot of dev on this tablet.
Is there a problem?
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A) It's expensive. B) It's sold in low volumes. C) 10" tablets aren't the sweet spot for Android tablets, 7-8" are. D) It's even worse for 3G/LTE tablets of all types and sizes. E) There will be tumbleweeds in the Pro forums because the 12" is a niche product and the 10" is overpriced; especially compared to the N10.1-14.
Samsung sold 60M SGS4's and 40M N3's in 2013. They'll be lucky to sell 10M Pro's and Note's across all sizes combined. Devs are attracted to popular high-volume devices. We don't have a popular high-volume device.
P.S. - @scrosler is dev-ing for the P600 which is quite a coup.

BarryH_GEG said:
A) It's expensive. B) It's sold in low volumes. C) 10" tablets aren't the sweet spot for Android tablets, 7-8" are. D) It's even worse for 3G/LTE tablets of all types and sizes. E) There will be tumbleweeds in the Pro forums because the 12" is a niche product and the 10" is overpriced; especially compared to the N10.1-14.
Samsung sold 60M SGS4's and 40M N3's in 2013. They'll be lucky to sell 10M Pro's and Note's across all sizes combined. Devs are attracted to popular high-volume devices. We don't have a popular high-volume device.
P.S. - @scrosler is dev-ing for the P600 which is quite a coup.
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The original note10 was a niche device too, but it had a fair amount of development done for it. The main issue is that there is no root available for the 600 version, that doesnt trip knox, and there is no incentive for someone to make such a root cos the bounty for it was already taken... even though the root wasnt ever actually completed.
Fingers crossed something will come up during all the note-pro development that will be usable across all the exynos devices. Though I'm getting a lot of good usage out of it anyway without root, and I'm in the UK and we are still stuck on the old old MJ6 rom, so kit-kat (when it turns up) will be a decent upgrade as it is.
If you require a lot of rooting and messing around with roms, I believe the snapdragon version is pretty much your only choice. Unfortunately it seems to be... significantly more expensive, and hard to get hold of, at least where I am.
I actually would recommend just getting the exynos one and just waiting, or root and forget about knox. Unless you really really need 4G for some reason.
I may have gone off topic with this. I'm tired. Need food.

mambraxneol said:
Hy i'm a little scared, i don't see a lot of dev on this tablet.
Is there a problem?
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The problem for me is: development for what? I have CleanRom on it and dont have any point which can be improved by a CustomRom. But the time is changing, scrosler sell his note and the next update will come. So, I will try to be prepared and make my own ROM and when it is good enough, I will publish it here.
So, all this is only a matter of need (and knox really didn't count for a developer). So, when someone here missing something, why not doing it? This is not a supermarkt here but a developer community and you will get here all help you need.

nirurin said:
The original note10 was a niche device too,
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How many Android tablets were there when the OG G-Tab was released? Three or four? And they were all 10" and powered by the same Teg2 SoC. So devs (who are typically early adopters) were spread out across fewer devices. There are dozens of Android tablets now and a couple of them are Nexi which are favorites of developers. The N10.1-12 had decent dev support but not like the OG G-Tab (I owned both). And the 3G and LTE versions had very little dev support.
The main issue is that there is no root available for the 600 version, that doesnt trip knox, and there is no incentive for someone to make such a root cos the bounty for it was already taken... even though the root wasnt ever actually completed.*
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I don't think a solution go the Knox trip has emerged so not many want to void their warranty for root ability
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I agree KNOX has made a subset of folks who may have rooted previously hesitant but that's not the only reason people are staying stock. Today's h/w and s/w has become so much more powerful the need to root has kind of become less important. I used to root and ROM my head off because it was almost necessary to get decent performance. There's still some benefit but it's not nearly as pronounced as it used to be. Factor in potential warranty issues and DRM problems and the risk/reward becomes questionable. The last device I rooted was my N2 because my N3 and N10.1-14 are fine (for me) stock. If you look at the general sections of popular devices on XDA there's a lot more threads about new stock updates and questions about functionality then there are about modding. And to everyone's point, KNOX sure hasn't helped.
All just my opinion of course.

Im a little upset too. I use to have a galaxy tab and used cyanogenmod since the very first days. But the old Texas instruments dual core core was slugshing in the last android iterations. So I switched to galaxy note 10.1 2014 and there's no cyanogenmod for it. Is there any u official build for it ?

Elim said:
The problem for me is: development for what? I have CleanRom on it and dont have any point which can be improved by a CustomRom. But the time is changing, scrosler sell his note and the next update will come. So, I will try to be prepared and make my own ROM and when it is good enough, I will publish it here.
So, all this is only a matter of need (and knox really didn't count for a developer). So, when someone here missing something, why not doing it? This is not a supermarkt here but a developer community and you will get here all help you need.
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Im also thinking about deving a rom. Im going to the 12.2 (better for my needs) and I'm starting to read up on rom development. May talk to scrosler and try to make something similar to clean rom
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Give it some time i used to have the transformer prime tf201 and it felt like 5 people were active in the xda forums for that device :laugh:
And even the tf201 got some amazing custom ROMs in the end (androwook! ). I think everyone is waiting for a new base (4.4) atm.
And regarding cyanogen mod, those Roms are usually not so popular on samsung note devices because they don't have s - pen support. I personally am very happy with the improved and tweaked stock Roms we have. They are perfect for this particular device. That said, It's always nice to have options.

The device is still fairly new. Give it some time.

I need to be able to add ANY app to the multi-window list, but as far as I can see it can only be done with a rooted device. The fact that you basically void your warranty once rooted is putting me off big time from buying one.
Looks like I'll be sticking with my Note 8.0 for a bit longer...

Naith32 said:
I need to be able to add ANY app to the multi-window list, but as far as I can see it can only be done with a rooted device. The fact that you basically void your warranty once rooted is putting me off big time from buying one.
Looks like I'll be sticking with my Note 8.0 for a bit longer...
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2655818
Might have missed that. Doesn't work with every app in my experience and sometimes it's prone to crashing, but it does work for whatever it can do.

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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2655818
Might have missed that. Doesn't work with every app in my experience and sometimes it's prone to crashing, but it does work for whatever it can do.
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I'll have to look into that. Still no guarantee that the apps I want to use in multi window well work ok... Mmm

I'll be all over 4.4! I'll be making a rom and kernel for p600 and p601. I don't have much experience in building but squeezing every last ounce of speed out of devices now that's my strong point.
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Damn
I just got a 10.1 2014 tab...32gb from walmart...
better off returning it and waiting on a nexus 10'?
I would have gotten a 7" or 8" tab but I got a note 3...not worth it...

BarryH_GEG said:
A) It's expensive. B) It's sold in low volumes. C) 10" tablets aren't the sweet spot for Android tablets, 7-8" are. D) It's even worse for 3G/LTE tablets of all types and sizes. .
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Sorry, those excuses don't fly. The same excuses exist for the original Tab 10.1 yet there are many ROMs available. In fact, there are still active ROM developers for the original Tab.

TabGuy said:
Sorry, those excuses don't fly. The same excuses exist for the original Tab 10.1 yet there are many ROMs available. In fact, there are still active ROM developers for the original Tab.
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They have to fly because it is what is happening. People donated to get Scrosler a Note 2014 and he has sold it. Knox has scared off most development also. I am happy with it running stock rooted.
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I agree that the issue is mainly due to Knox but also down to the cost of the tablet.
I have rooted every Android device I've had (and I've had a few) until the Note 10.1 2014. I don't care about not being able to install a 3rd party ROM but I very much care about root as some of my favourite apps (e.g. Sixaxis Controller, Titanium Backup) require root to work.
If the new N10 had been out at Christmas I would have bought that but it wasn't (although at this rate it never will be).

redrover69 said:
Damn
I just got a 10.1 2014 tab...32gb from walmart...
better off returning it and waiting on a nexus 10'?
I would have gotten a 7" or 8" tab but I got a note 3...not worth it...
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Do you know how long people have been "waiting" for the new Nexus 10? Like, 8 months.

We need to get a tab for beanstown, He has an 'AOSP" like rom, but with touchwiz features left in place. I can get a like new tab for about $350 shipped. Thoughts???

Is development dying ????

I been having galaxy phone since the s2..... I even remember with the s3,s4 there were pages of development but starting with the 5 is all been going downhill ??? We have a couple devs that work their ass off to bring us top roms and kernels glad to have them aboard or it would be completely dead..... but it doesn't seem like it was as popular as before..... Are people going away from android, Or just no that interested into flashing roms no more..... I really miss the old days that you will sign into your device thread "TMOBILE" for me and would have to decide which rom and kernel to go with for the week lol......

gdmlaz said:
I been having galaxy phone since the s2..... I even remember with the s3,s4 there were pages of development but starting with the 5 is all been going downhill ??? We have a couple devs that work their ass off to bring us top roms and kernels glad to have them aboard or it would be completely dead..... but it doesn't seem like it was as popular as before..... Are people going away from android, Or just no that interested into flashing roms no more..... I really miss the old days that you will sign into your device thread "TMOBILE" for me and would have to decide which rom and kernel to go with for the week lol......
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get a nexus 6 its crazy there, i was flashing mad and sometimes 3/4 roms a day so no not dead just yet
just a bit slow here for now

Since note 3 this road has been slowly dieing
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hussam1988 said:
Since note 3 this road has been slowly dieing
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That's exactly what I feel I mean go into any galaxy s3, s4 thread and look how many roms are out there u get bored of thinking which to pick from....... Don't know if many devs have grown out of it and are doing other things with their lives now or there is not a demand like before but I got my galaxy 5 and it was dead only like 2 or 3 roms for the full year i owned the phone....... now with the galaxy 6 is looking even worse

gdmlaz said:
That's exactly what I feel I mean go into any galaxy s3, s4 thread and look how many roms are out there u get bored of thinking which to pick from....... Don't know if many devs have grown out of it and are doing other things with their lives now or there is not a demand like before but I got my galaxy 5 and it was dead only like 2 or 3 roms for the full year i owned the phone....... now with the galaxy 6 is looking even worse
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Knox counter happened
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Knox counter happened
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Do people really care about knox so much ?? I mean you could still turn in a device that has knox tripped for jump...... and warranty do they even care if you turn in a device that has knox tripped like phone insurance ? I never seemed what the big deal is

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Do people really care about knox so much ?? I mean you could still turn in a device that has knox tripped for jump...... and warranty do they even care if you turn in a device that has knox tripped like phone insurance ? I never seemed what the big deal is
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Never delivered a device into a dealer to test if warranty existed after a knox counter breached
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i've turned several rooted phones into t mobile for problems when they were rooted, and they couldnt care less about root or knox..
Where you MIGHT have an issue is if you send a phone into Samsung itself..
And, as far as dev for this phone, I think it will pick up some as more time passes; its really only been 30 days since the official release, but yeah, the note 4 had a few roms within the first few weeks it was released.
Frankly, I think that there are so many annoying N00bs buying Samsung phones, that alot of the top Dev's have stopped buying them and if they do, they just make roms for themselves and their close "friends"..
XDA has become a haven for the leeches, the "I expect answers and help immediately" crowd, and most of the top Dev's got sick of that nonsense and either went private or went to Nexus phones..
I think I might go nexus when its time to "jump" soon...

wase4711 said:
i've turned several rooted phones into t mobile for problems when they were rooted, and they couldnt care less about root or knox..
Where you MIGHT have an issue is if you send a phone into Samsung itself..
And, as far as dev for this phone, I think it will pick up some as more time passes; its really only been 30 days since the official release, but yeah, the note 4 had a few roms within the first few weeks it was released.
Frankly, I think that there are so many annoying N00bs buying Samsung phones, that alot of the top Dev's have stopped buying them and if they do, they just make roms for themselves and their close "friends"..
XDA has become a haven for the leeches, the "I expect answers and help immediately" crowd, and most of the top Dev's got sick of that nonsense and either went private or went to Nexus phones..
I think I might go nexus when its time to "jump" soon...
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That's it in a nutshell I think - I've been using custom roms and kernels since the original Galaxy S1 came out, and people on here and other forums have got progressively ruder and more demanding with each passing year, to the point where many devs have given up.
The sense of entitlement to features and support for what is usually a hobby for devs is sickening sometimes.
Also, to be fair, I think devices are getting that powerful and good than custom roms aren't needed to the same extent. Even root isn't as essential as it once was.

nofam said:
The sense of entitlement to features and support for what is usually a hobby for devs is sickening sometimes.
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Boy, that statement should be in the OP of EVERY ROM on XDA..

nofam said:
That's it in a nutshell I think - I've been using custom roms and kernels since the original Galaxy S1 came out, and people on here and other forums have got progressively ruder and more demanding with each passing year, to the point where many devs have given up.
The sense of entitlement to features and support for what is usually a hobby for devs is sickening sometimes.
Also, to be fair, I think devices are getting that powerful and good than custom roms aren't needed to the same extent. Even root isn't as essential as it once was.
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Your last point is what I think the real reason is. Android has gotten good enough that only the power users are going to root and constantly room a device. The average to techy user just doesn't see enough reasons to root a device. If you ask me, it is a pretty good problem to have.
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The only phones I've rooted and flashed were my Milestone and Captivate. Android hardware and software weren't exactly optimized at the time and performance wasn't great.
I've had my S3 for a good 3 years now and I never even rooted it. The performance was good enough that I never bothered. It only got slow with the most recent update but by now, the phone is 3 years old so I upgraded the hardware.
The other thing I didn't like about flashing is that once I did it, I often would have to flash again every other week because there was another update with fixes. It was hard to find something that I could flash and leave for 6 months or longer.

I will wish to jump to nexus if I can. My place or country rarely sell nexus. I didn't even see a real device my self. Only Samsung appear the most. My previous device was note 3, I do see the development slowing down. I hope the edge will have more developer since is a bit pricy and therfore, less newbie compare to s6

glad to see people are agreeing with me....... hopefully we could get a couple top devs back interested in developing some time soon

Another important factor is that Samsung is very closed source regarding their hardware, which makes it almost impossible for AOSP builds to run stably, especially on newer version of Android. Other vendors have made much more effort to support the developer community, so that's where the developers tend to head.

I dont know if I agree with that; my note 4 had/has several very nice and stable AOSP /cm12 based roms running 5.02 on it, but they were Snapdragon based, which may or may not be the difference when it comes to doing things with the Exnos processor..

I think you guys are forgetting that there are way more flagships from other manufacturers these days that are splitting the devs. Samsung used to be the king of the hill till HTC, Sony, LG and Motorola stepped up!
The Nexus is filled with lots of redundant roms which barely differentiate one from another.
When I owned the N5, I just left it at stock cause it was the most stable!

Elisha said:
Samsung used to be the king of the hill till HTC, Sony, LG and Motorola stepped up!
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Samsung was never king of the hill. HTC has made killer flagships since before Android. They also made the first Android phone. HTC has had the majority of devs since Windows Mobile. HTC was the main reason for xda to even exist. You want more devs, buy a HTC phone.
I think the real reason that Samsung doesn't get more devs here is because of the following:
1 Touchwiz
2 Touchwiz
3 KNOX
4 Switch to Samsung SoC
5 Devs know which devices are truly better, and the majority don't go Samsung.
It's a shame that Samsung is going down a path that is not dev friendly, after all competition is a good thing. They do have some nice hardware. If it weren't for Touchwiz(bloated bunch of crap) lagging the UI and KNOX, they would get a lot of attention here. But then again, all they really care about is totally volume of devices sold(like crapple), not if they are well received here. KNOX gets them enterprise sales, bye bye sd card!
BMW used to be a great company when they made only a few hundred thousand cars each year. Now they are like everyone else, they pump out high numbers of crap. Samsung is going down the same path.

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Samsung was never king of the hill. HTC has made killer flagships since before Android. They also made the first Android phone. HTC has had the majority of devs since Windows Mobile. HTC was the main reason for xda to even exist. You want more devs, buy a HTC phone.
I think the real reason that Samsung doesn't get more devs here is because of the following:
1 Touchwiz
2 Touchwiz
3 KNOX
4 Switch to Samsung SoC
5 Devs know which devices are truly better, and the majority don't go Samsung.
It's a shame that Samsung is going down a path that is not dev friendly, after all competition is a good thing. They do have some nice hardware. If it weren't for Touchwiz(bloated bunch of crap) lagging the UI and KNOX, they would get a lot of attention here. But then again, all they really care about is totally volume of devices sold(like crapple), not if they are well received here. KNOX gets them enterprise sales.
BMW used to be a great company when they made only a few hundred thousand cars each year. Now they are like everyone else, they pump out high numbers of crap. Samsung is going down the same path.
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Windows Mobile is not what is in question here! HTC was pretty much the only manufacturer that mattered in those days for that platform.
Ever since the first Galaxy S, Samsung has been king of the hill.
HTC is ridiculous with the S-Off nonsense in the same way that Samsung is with KNOX. But at least the bootloader is still unlocked for most of the Samsung variants!
Sony contributes to AOSP and encourages development it seems. Motorola is back in the game for now at least with the Moto X line. LG has been doing great since the Optimus G. OPO stole away a bunch of developers as well.
Lot more options now in comparison...not to mention the other great Chinese phones like Huwei, Xiaomi, ZTE, Oppo, Lenovo and the Taiwan based Asus!

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Another important factor is that Samsung is very closed source regarding their hardware, which makes it almost impossible for AOSP builds to run stably, especially on newer version of Android. Other vendors have made much more effort to support the developer community, so that's where the developers tend to head.
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^^^ This, and this ​vvv
wase4711 said:
I dont know if I agree with that; my note 4 had/has several very nice and stable AOSP /cm12 based roms running 5.02 on it, but they were Snapdragon based, which may or may not be the difference when it comes to doing things with the Exnos processor..
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Samsung device + Exynos SoC = closed source, thus no fully functional AOSP or CM-based ROMs.

No root in sight for SD, going with Exynos instead

I had hopes that we would be able to unlock the bootloader and get root on the Snapdragon S8, but it's looking grim. I've instead put the SD phone up for sale and have an Exynos dual SIM model on the way.
Good luck to the guys still working on the SM-G950U root, I hope you finally get it.
Anybody else decided to go this route?

50 restocking fee

Merry christmas

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50 restocking fee
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He's selling the phone, where does the $50 restocking fee come into place?
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I too was confused by the replies. I'll​ likely lose a little bit selling a used phone and buying new, obviously. Root, V4A, and at some point new ROMs and kernels are well worth the cost.
Got V4A working on my S6 Edge today and what a difference. I've always really liked the Samsung hardware, but their software usually ruins it. Without root I couldn't justify having a Samsung phone.

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I too was confused by the replies. I'll​ likely lose a little bit selling a used phone and buying new, obviously. Root, V4A, and at some point new ROMs and kernels are well worth the cost.
Got V4A working on my S6 Edge today and what a difference. I've always really liked the Samsung hardware, but their software usually ruins it. Without root I couldn't justify having a Samsung phone.
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Other than viper what exactly do you need root for and is that worth throwing away your warranty, resale value, and Samsung pay permanently?
Viper is neat but it's not so mind blowing that it's worth throwing all that away for. And custom roms will afford you next to nothing apart from bugs and you certainly won't gain any performance or battery life as well.
Rooting just doesn't have much to offer any more and the sacrifice to have it is pretty huge.

V4A is enough, especially when playing in car or home stereo over Bluetooth. I've never had to use warranty on all the years I've had phones so not too worried on that. It was worth it

seh6183 said:
Other than viper what exactly do you need root for and is that worth throwing away your warranty, resale value, and Samsung pay permanently?
Viper is neat but it's not so mind blowing that it's worth throwing all that away for. And custom roms will afford you next to nothing apart from bugs and you certainly won't gain any performance or battery life as well.
Rooting just doesn't have much to offer any more and the sacrifice to have it is pretty huge.
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Although I am not at a point I want to give up Samsung Pay, the only benefit a rom would be is having an updated rom. Since Sammy doesn't have the best track record.

AsuraDas said:
Although I am not at a point I want to give up Samsung Pay, the only benefit a rom would be is having an updated rom. Since Sammy doesn't have the best track record.
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You can't update before Samsung releases the firmware. It has to be made available by them first before the rom makers can take it and make it into something.

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You can't update before Samsung releases the firmware. It has to be made available by them first before the rom makers can take it and make it into something.
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I was talking more about AOSP which Exynos doesn't get usually. Also if a new phone gets an update Samsung takes an eternity to update previous generations. Sometimes they can port new firmware over. For instance when I had a note 2 they ported a newer version of JB along with note 3 features N2 never got

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I was talking more about AOSP which Exynos doesn't get usually. Also if a new phone gets an update Samsung takes an eternity to update previous generations. Sometimes they can port new firmware over. For instance when I had a note 2 they ported a newer version of JB along with note 3 features N2 never got
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Yea but AOSP will never work 100% on a Samsung phone due to driver incompatibility so that is not an option for most people as they don't want a broken rom. And the issue with porting these days is that the carrier specific phones usually have features built in that you need for you carrier such as Wi-Fi calling. So if you use a ported rom that stuff may not work right. Things are much different these days.

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Yea but AOSP will never work 100% on a Samsung phone due to driver incompatibility so that is not an option for most people as they don't want a broken rom. And the issue with porting these days is that the carrier specific phones usually have features built in that you need for you carrier such as Wi-Fi calling. So if you use a ported rom that stuff may not work right. Things are much different these days.
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True, and I am loving Samsung Pay so no rooms. Although I did flash Unlocked FW but it doesn't trip Knox and it's obviously not rooted

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Although I am not at a point I want to give up Samsung Pay, the only benefit a rom would be is having an updated rom. Since Sammy doesn't have the best track record.
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Custom roms are nice and even though many have issues, there are those that don't. Through them I get updated features and ability for customization. If stock rom, provided the ability to delete bloat and others programs as you see fit along with the ability to perform customization and updates, then there would be no need for many custom roms.