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Xoom any good?

Thinking of getting the xoom over the samsung tab 10.1 are people happy with the xoom?
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If you want a supported device get a xoom. I think the new gtab will launch with 2.1 and get 3.0 in about 8-12 months. (JK, but seriously Samsung has a proven track record of ZERO support for their devices)

iammodo said:
Thinking of getting the xoom over the samsung tab 10.1 are people happy with the xoom?
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You're probably going to get a bunch of people yelling at you for asking a question that has been asked many times over.
I'll answer though.
In short, yes it's good. It's excellent in my opinion.
Currently all Tablets running Honeycomb are going to suffer from having relatively few apps. This was the case when the first iPad was released. Luckily there are plenty of developers out there dedicated to creating quality applications for Honeycomb. Within a month or two, there will be an influx of applications and people will wish they had purchased the Xoom when they had the chance. With production numbers dropping there is no telling what Motorola's next design might be. It could be a locked down version like the Atrix phone kind of similar to what happened with the original Droid that was running vanilla Android. The Droid 2 had Motoblur and a locked bootloader; currently, owners of the original Droid are enjoying Gingerbread by Peter Alfonso.
Here are some current complaints:
1) No SD card support yet
2) LTE Upgrade will take 6 days
3) Application selection is limited
4) Performance seems low for a dual core product
My response:
1) It is coming and currently the unit has 32 GB of internal storage, are you running out already? If so, sit tight and you will be able to expand it to 64GB really cheaply.
2) Better than waiting 3 months on the release of the Xoom altogether, and if you are using it Wifi only like I am tethering it to my Epic 4G, LTE is irrelevant.
3) This will change with time, early adopters syndrome
4) As Google releases new versions of Honeycomb this will be addressed. Additionally there are already kernels bumping the speed from 1Ghz to 1.5Ghz creating a 50% performance increase out of the gates.
Anyway, it's all preference. I love Motorola's products so I got the Xoom.

This is like walking into an Apple store and asking if Macs are any good. What are you expecting?
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Having never owned a tab before, the xoom is my first experience and I think it's awosme.
Matter of fact i loved the xoom so much i dumped my iphone 4 and got an HTC inspire for my everyday phone.
I personally have only one complaint and that is it's very susceptable to glare.

kjdocs said:
Having never owned a tab before, the xoom is my first experience and I think it's awosme.
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Well you're not alone, no one here has probably used the Tab 10.1 before because it isn't out yet! lol.
But seriously OP, coming to a Xoom forum asking a question that's been asked in detail a million times already is ridiculous. You're gonna get pretty polarized answers... Every other post in this forum is about how good/bad the Xoom is, just read.

anywho, back to the OP's question,
i'd wait it out and get that samsung. its thinner, lighter, cheaper, and has a better display than the xoom. but lets not get ahead here, those samsung tablets at CTIA were mockups.
as for updates, do not worry about that, as updates will be coming since the new gtab's will be a near google experience device. CNET has reported that the TouchWiz updates could possibly be an optional update. And tbh, i kinda like the new touchwiz UI.
personally, i'd wait.

aohus said:
anywho, back to the OP's question,
personally, i'd wait.
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Samsung is evil incarnate, having just come from a Samsung Fascinate, I can tell you touchwiz is the most godawful piece of software you could ever have on your device. Not becuase it isnt good, touchwiz isnt all that bad, but, and this is a BIG bit, YOU WILL NEVER GET UPDATES. EVER. PERIOD. THANKS FOR PLAYING BUY OUR NEXT PRODUCT TO GET A SOFTWARE UPGRADE! No thank you. Not playing that game again. Not now. Not ever!

I can't wait to see if the GTabs will get updated. That is one of the main reasons people seem to be using to prevent others from liking them. Luckily the general population could care less about going from Android 2.2, to 2.3, and for those who can't wait... rooting is the alternative. Or buying another device.

Thanks to everyone that posted USEFUL comments.
I was at work and posted from my phone, so didn't want to risk reading 100's of threads.
This would be my first tablet so dont want spend £500+ and get a laggy device.
I have clicked "thanks" for everyone who left a useful comment.

It does not really matter if it's close to stock. Example the g2.
If you're one of those folks that always want the updates first you basically need a Google experience device.
Sammy seems to be the worst out of all the oems though.
Also look at the vodafone nexus one as far as updates that are tied to carrier goes.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

Motorola has already said that the report on cutting back on manufacturing xooms is 100% BS

I'm also considering buying a Xoom... I was going to buy the Galaxy tab 10.1, but yesterdays announcement kind of changed that, i don't want to wait until June.
So i have two options now, buy a Xoom or the original Galaxy Tab 10.1 (now renamed to 10.1v in EU).
About Xoom, i like the idea of clean Android, updates, USB and microSD slot. I have a feeling that Xoom will get more support in XDA forums also.
I'm not sure i like the extra 131g.
About Galaxy Tab 10.1v, i actually like the original design more, i don't care that it's 2mm thicker then the new one.
But I'm sure I don't like the idea of not getting any updates or getting a update with that TouchWiz UX.
Considering all this and that you have actually hold the 730g Xoom in your hand, which would you buy?

The Touchwiz UI they put on the tab isnt the same as one on the phones. But still, even that has to be revamped when new version of android comes out. Samsung is the worst when talking about updates. I liked the design of the original GTab 10.1 too, but thinking of updates, I went ahead and got the xoom. Samsung just needs to stop putting **** on awesome device like that and make the damn thing go into shame.

Few questions on the Galaxy tab...

Im new to the tablet world, and Im interested in a 10.1 tablet. I want to use it USB tethering off of my cell phone and other areas, for movies, netflix etc.
Also, are these lagging or going to start to diminish in the android hacking world? Or does the future look good on these still? Any reason to stay away form the 10.1 tablet? I know I might hit biased reviews here, but Id like to look at it from a technological standpoint. From reading these seem to be the better of the bunch currently.
Thanks fellas, any and all help/pointers is appreciated.

Most of the reviews say the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is the best Android tablet on the market at the present time. 3-6 months from now , who knows.

If you're in no rush, the rumoured Amazon tablet(s) sound like they could be a force to be reckoned with, as well as potentially priced very competitively.
But as jbh00jh says, the Tab is probably the best on the market right now.

I have owned 2 android tablets and an ipad gen 1, hardware wise the galaxy tab rules at the moment but will be superceeded very quickly but then isnt all tech.
Android requires a bit of work to set it up as you want whereas the ipad is pick up and go however more limited in its abilities and customization imho. I feel apple has the edge on polished apps and developers more likely to do ipad versions first as apple users are more adept at paying for stuff as they are used to the itunes / app store eco system, whereas android offers better rev through free apps with advertising.
one reason i love the tab and the same reason for me to own a galaxy s is supercurios voodoo sound. It really does make a difference if you love good quality audio from headphones / line out.

Oh OK. Well I have a potential trade in the works for one. I still have my HTC evo. And I'm more than happy. I'm not really into chasing down the latest tech anymore...
Is it really worth hacking/ rooting the tab, does it open more possibilities similar to rooting an Android cell phone?
Guessing if so, then we can swap kernels, roms, etc.
Sent from a miui HTC evo.

mroneeyedboh said:
Is it really worth hacking/ rooting the tab, does it open more possibilities similar to rooting an Android cell phone?
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Starting with your second question first...
Yes.
Android tablets are basically just giant phones which don't call/text, rooting a tablet opens up exactly the same options as rooting a phone.
And yes, it's definitely worth rooting IMO - I couldn't imagine using an un-rooted Android device any more than I could imagine using one without internet access.

Haha yeah I figured that. Thanks fellas. Can we run aosp roms, or are these roms a different breed.
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Can we run aosp roms, or are these roms a different breed.
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Yeah, though they're not really referred to as AOSP, just 'stock'.
The two types are 'stock' and TouchWiz which is Samsung's custom UI.
TouchWiz isn't terrible but it's not my cup of tea.

Thanks man.
Sent from a miui HTC evo.

You're welcome.
Oh, one other thing, stock Honeycomb doesn't really look like AOSP for phones, so don't be surprised if your first reaction is that what you're seeing isn't stock...

OK. Good to know. It would be cool if we could get miui on it... haha I love it. Can we get CM?
Sent from a miui HTC evo.

I haven't heard anything about CM7, no.

Galaxy Tab 7.7 - Samsungs forgotten son?

Am I the only one who feels as if the 7.7 was left out to dry? Long story short, I recently sold my GT 10.1 due to its size and in my opinion, sub standard resolution & display. With that said, I'm back in the market for something smaller, slightly faster & with removeable storage. Even though this device is over a year old, it still seems to be one of the best options in its particular category. I think the RIDICULOUS price had a lot to do with the underwhelming adoption, but I'm sure the price has since dropped making it a reasonable option.
I looked at the Nexus 7 & its a beautiful device, but I need that extra .7 inches & the gorgeous Super AMOLED+ that the 7.7 offers. I did taken a considerable amount of time reading through some of the relatively older threads, but I think its always nice to get some relatively newer updates and opinions especially considering how fast development in the Android world progresses.
I just need that little extra boost in confidence before I spend $400 or so on an older tablet.. Can the dual Exnyos keep up with today's & tomorrow s tech? Have you seen, heard or experience any issues ( small or enormous ) on a regular basis? Any insight and personal experiences would be greatly appreciated? BTW, I'm new & this is the first of many threads I hope to post, so thanks in advance for any help!

If the price difference is small I defenatly go for the Tab 7.7, and the only argument you need is the brilliant superAMOLEDplus screen.
Downside would be "no jelly bean", but ICS works very vell on the device, so personally I don't pay to much attention to the problem.
The dualcore exynos does a good job, and with overclocking even better, @1,6GHz it feels snappy and don't feel any slower than my Tegra 3 quad core HTC One X, maybe even faster when surfing

I bought a Nexus 7 and sold it on eBay within three weeks. It didn't compare to my rooted 7.7 running CM10. My GF also has a 7.7, but is super clumsy. I wanted to check the N7 build, see if it may survive a scrape or two more, but the superAMOLEDplus screen alone made it her and my preference.
As for those shopping blindly for the highest quadrant score, why? What's the point?

ShyPod said:
If the price difference is small I defenatly go for the Tab 7.7, and the only argument you need is the brilliant superAMOLEDplus screen.
Downside would be "no jelly bean", but ICS works very vell on the device, so personally I don't pay to much attention to the problem.
The dualcore exynos does a good job, and with overclocking even better, @1,6GHz it feels snappy and don't feel any slower than my Tegra 3 quad core HTC One X, maybe even faster when surfing
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Abree :good:
There is nothing comparable, and ICS is more than good enough

I appreciate all of the input folks. I think I'm going to bite the bullet & go ahead & get the 7.7 - Until recently, storage wasn't a big issue for me, but lately I'm finding a genuine need to be able to add my own SD card in order to save all of my media files, as I shoot a great deal of video & have a music collection that could rival anyones. I know Google is attempting to get people to rely more on cloud based services, but I don't always have a great data connection & not to mention the inconvenience of not being able to quickly & easily access your files at time.
Its a shame that it was priced soooooooo high - I think that's a big reason it never received the "love" it deserved.. & also, I believe it was only available on a contract through Verizon here in the US ( $499 for a tablet on a 2yr contract??????? No thanks ). I'm just scouring the web in search of a Wi-Fi version for $350 or less - Anyone have any suggestions on where to search? Is $300-$375 a reasonable expectation for this tablet now?
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try on Amazon, at least they have some kind of warranty
if I were you, i will avoid Chinese and other foreign countries for a new tab, their warranty is available in their home country, so you need to send it back if something goes wrong.
best regards
Sifou
Galaxy Tab 7.7

Here in my country. 7.7 price has been dropped that its like 2000 pesos higher than the p1000 tab(yes! That good ol 1st gen tab!) 2k php is roughly 50bucks! Still. More opted to grab the gtab 2 or the 7.0plus.
What set this besides the Samoled screen. Thickness - I installed zagg iShield and use this as is. Most people noticed how thin this thing is compared to other slates.
And yes - in the sea of quadcores, this tab still kicks as$, Screen resolution is enough for desktop style browsing. USB on the go is really useful if you have a high capacity thumbdrive, you can play movies directly from usbdrives.
Lastly - with people aiming on other devices, our tab is a novelty item lol
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I've only had the 7.7 for 6 days and the OLED screen is enough to make me wana pick it up every 10 mins - standard.

Aren't we all?
P6800 may be Samsung's forgotten son, but aren't all the forgotten sons the most capable sons?

Forgotten son indeed. I wonder whether the UK will ever get ics officially rolled out after all this Apple lawsuit business. More worryingly, the 7.7 is not even on Samsung UK's website as a listed product anymore.
It IS still one of the best tablets around. I have the note 10.1 but still pick up my 7.7 due to sheer portability and thinness...also the lovely cold metal feel. I think it IS still worth purchasing. In UK, carphone warehouse prices are good. But new purchasers should bear in mind that official support might be minimal if existent at all.
Sent from my 32GB Galaxy Note

whmcal said:
Forgotten son indeed. I wonder whether the UK will ever get ics officially rolled out after all this Apple lawsuit business. More worryingly, the 7.7 is not even on Samsung UK's website as a listed product anymore.
It IS still one of the best tablets around. I have the note 10.1 but still pick up my 7.7 due to sheer portability and thinness...also the lovely cold metal feel. I think it IS still worth purchasing. In UK, carphone warehouse prices are good. But new purchasers should bear in mind that official support might be minimal if existent at all.
Sent from my 32GB Galaxy Note
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Isn't a firmware already out and available for UK? I thought there was you might want to check sammobile the majority of us running ICS got the software from there and just flashed it using ODIN.
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I live in NL and have the same question. Will there be an official ICS update or not? Would there be any way to find out? I van remember Samsung once promising that there would be an update. But they have gone awfully quiet...
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adinis78 said:
Isn't a firmware already out and available for UK? I thought there was you might want to check sammobile the majority of us running ICS got the software from there and just flashed it using ODIN.
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I just bought one last week from Carphone warehouse in the UK and now in Lithuania pondering whether to install ISC.the odin way.. hmm..
My major problem is i know NOTHING about all this root/flash/brick/kermal malarky and paranoid to ruin my working 7.7
After reading so many threads (and pos/neg responses) its still a gamble to me, losing wifi alone would drive me insane, so i might just wait till its kies-able (could be 2013 by then tho)
What an amazing tab tho it is. OLED for the win!

OLEDMAN said:
I just bought one last week from Carphone warehouse in the UK and now in Lithuania pondering whether to install ISC.the odin way.. hmm..
My major problem is i know NOTHING about all this root/flash/brick/kermal malarky and paranoid to ruin my working 7.7
After reading so many threads (and pos/neg responses) its still a gamble to me, losing wifi alone would drive me insane, so i might just wait till its kies-able (could be 2013 by then tho)
What an amazing tab tho it is. OLED for the win!
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Do flash ICS with Odin, it is not difficult, and it is much better than HC :good:
Later you can root with standard recovery and flash CWM recovery with Odin, thats all you really need

DocJ8403 said:
Am I the only one who feels as if the 7.7 was left out to dry? Long story short, I recently sold my GT 10.1 due to its size and in my opinion, sub standard resolution & display. With that said, I'm back in the market for something smaller, slightly faster & with removeable storage. Even though this device is over a year old, it still seems to be one of the best options in its particular category. I think the RIDICULOUS price had a lot to do with the underwhelming adoption, but I'm sure the price has since dropped making it a reasonable option.
I looked at the Nexus 7 & its a beautiful device, but I need that extra .7 inches & the gorgeous Super AMOLED+ that the 7.7 offers. I did taken a considerable amount of time reading through some of the relatively older threads, but I think its always nice to get some relatively newer updates and opinions especially considering how fast development in the Android world progresses.
I just need that little extra boost in confidence before I spend $400 or so on an older tablet.. Can the dual Exnyos keep up with today's & tomorrow s tech? Have you seen, heard or experience any issues ( small or enormous ) on a regular basis? Any insight and personal experiences would be greatly appreciated? BTW, I'm new & this is the first of many threads I hope to post, so thanks in advance for any help!
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upgrade to 4.1 at least.

OLEDMAN said:
I just bought one last week from Carphone warehouse in the UK and now in Lithuania pondering whether to install ISC.the odin way.. hmm..
My major problem is i know NOTHING about all this root/flash/brick/kermal malarky and paranoid to ruin my working 7.7
After reading so many threads (and pos/neg responses) its still a gamble to me, losing wifi alone would drive me insane, so i might just wait till its kies-able (could be 2013 by then tho)
What an amazing tab tho it is. OLED for the win!
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Just download an ICS build. Root, install locerra's CWM and backup your ROM. Then, install ICS through Odin/Mobile Odin (you may need to reinstall CWM after that). See if it works well for you. If it doesn't, you may try other AOSP ROMs, such as CM10 and ParanoidAndroid 2. If you find that HC is still the best for you, reboot into recovery and restore your original backup. It will be as if nothing had happened to your tab between the moment you backed it up and the moment you restored.

whmcal said:
Forgotten son indeed. I wonder whether the UK will ever get ics officially rolled out after all this Apple lawsuit business. More worryingly, the 7.7 is not even on Samsung UK's website as a listed product anymore.
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There is one thing I don't understand. The P6800XXLQ2 firmware is built for several European countries, not only for Austria but also for Hungary, Italy, etc. and UNITED KINGDOM! Just check it on the Samfirmware website.
So, why you and other forum-mates say that there is no UK ICS ROM? It is simply not true.
Tapatalk 2-vel küldve az én GT-P6800-ről

A bit off topic. Seems to work fine in quite a few south east Asian countries. I'm in Brunei and it works great.
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I was so sure the Nexus 7 would entice me at first sight, but the 7.7 has spoilt me. The Nexus 7 screen somehow felt way too small, the build way too clunky and... It just didn't feel... Premium.
The software though... It'd be nice if Samsung put some effort in.

Love the 7.7. Worth every dollar. ICS is sufficient. The tablet just feels and performs like nothing else. I am happier than a fly on a **** wagon
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S IV coming

Samsung is planning S IV to roll out in April 2013 possibly with unbreakble screen. Other features 13 mp camera picture density 441 ppi.(times of India Banaglore edition dated 7Dec2012, page18). So Note 3 may roll out in 4th quarter 2013 for which I am waiting, by that time my note 1 will be around 2 years old and I could willfully sell or give it to a family member. I think most of you will do the same thing, I shall catch up you guys there.
PS: I do not want to miss this crowd.

The best thing to do is buy one every two galaxies. I have an S2 and I'm gonna get an S4, S6 and so on.....
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I think I'm gonna jump ship to the Sony Xperia Yuga,if it comes out......with cyanogenmod leaving the Galaxy and Note lines(unless Sammy decides to scrap the Exynos SoC.....which,lets face it, is not gonna happen) and Sony offering full GPL compliance(read: almost all source code is released), I'm thinking about the Yuga.
Doesn't matter about the S-Pen, don't use it anyways; just bought the phone for the screen size and a .3" decrease doesn't seem that much different to me.

^^^This.
I don't care if it's S13 with fantastic phone features, which also gives you a BJ in the morning. Never again a Samsung for me. Ever.

Note 3 will be my next one regardless its features.
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chasmodo said:
^^^This.
I don't care if it's S13 with fantastic phone features, which also gives you a BJ in the morning. Never again a Samsung for me. Ever.
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Care to splain?

jeffs99 said:
Care to splain?
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Brickbug, no source code released despite numerous promises, CM team moving out of Samsuck development.

While we all (read I) appreciate what the CM team and team Hacksung may have done, lets face it, they are a minuscule minority to Samsung. CM also does not offer anything revolutionary over what a standard device can do, (OK, so maybe the code and is cleaner and there's less bloat, but its just as easy to remove the bloat from TW), and in terms of the Galaxy note, it actually takes away some of the most useful parts.
99% of users never even root their devices, and for them, the Brickbug does not exist and never has.
It's hardly a good reason to never use another Samsung device...Especially since they really are ahead of the curve at this point.
Just my opinion.

hkgrob said:
While we all (read I) appreciate what the CM team and team Hacksung may have done, lets face it, they are a minuscule minority to Samsung. CM also does not offer anything revolutionary over what a standard device can do, (OK, so maybe the code and is cleaner and there's less bloat, but its just as easy to remove the bloat from TW), and in terms of the Galaxy note, it actually takes away some of the most useful parts.
99% of users never even root their devices, and for them, the Brickbug does not exist and never has.
It's hardly a good reason to never use another Samsung device...Especially since they really are ahead of the curve at this point.
Just my opinion.
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The simple fact is we arent part of the 99% that never root their phones. We are the ones who enjoy the freedom of customizing every little aspect and squeezing every ounze of performance out. Some (like myself) can't stand touchjizz and to say that cm doesn't offer anything revolutionary is plain ignorant. The fact that Samsung isn't keeping the promises they make and continues to string us along is disgusting. I was a Samsung fanboy for years but after this ordeal I won't be buying another Samsung phone until they get their act together. Maybe cm is a miniscule minority to Samsung but there are still thousands of us who come here, to xda, to tweak, tinker and get the most out of our devices and cyanogenmod plays an enormous role in that. As xda members we look for devices with dev support, you can have the most high end phone in the world but if the devs aren't given what they need from the manufacturers then what's the point in even being here? You might as well become an iSheep. I am another who will be picking up a Sony yuga unless Samsung has their **** sorted by the time they release the gs4. For a company that's fighting apple as much as Samsung is they're starting to look more and more like them every day
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+1 with not getting another Samsung. The Note will be my first and last Samsung phone.
I'm so grateful for the devs that have made my Note worth having, if it wasn't for them I would of upgraded a long time a go.
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I don't care about brand. Only real estate. The next 5.3 to 6 inch screen phone with up to par technology is getting my money.
For the record, the Note looks terrible and build quality is even worse. I didn't buy a note 2.

The market is improving too fast these days.. Barely have time to catch up tiwht the bandwagon!
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Wouldn't this be more suitable in the S III forum? I don't care one bit, since I bought the Note for the screen size.

If S IV has the flexible 5" screen I'm jumping straight.
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hkgrob said:
While we all (read I) appreciate what the CM team and team Hacksung may have done, lets face it, they are a minuscule minority to Samsung. CM also does not offer anything revolutionary over what a standard device can do, (OK, so maybe the code and is cleaner and there's less bloat, but its just as easy to remove the bloat from TW), and in terms of the Galaxy note, it actually takes away some of the most useful parts.
99% of users never even root their devices, and for them, the Brickbug does not exist and never has.
It's hardly a good reason to never use another Samsung device...Especially since they really are ahead of the curve at this point.
Just my opinion.
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I don't give a flying coitus about the 99 percent of users, I belong to the remaining 1 percent.

chasmodo said:
^^^This.
I don't care if it's S13 with fantastic phone features, which also gives you a BJ in the morning. Never again a Samsung for me. Ever.
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So what will be your next phone ?

MaKTaiL said:
The best thing to do is buy one every two galaxies. I have an S2 and I'm gonna get an S4, S6 and so on.....
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Like you said. Every odd number note is best to buy Like note1, note3, note5 so on...

Probably going to skip Samsung next time if Sony will continue their pro-development policy with Xperia Yuga phone. Don't get me wrong, CM10 runs great on my Note, but it's not nice to know some bugs will probably never be fixed because Samsung didnt keep their promise about releasing sources AGAIN. And since i hate TW-based roms, i can't stick with stock.
Anyway, Sony's TimeScape ( is this what it's called ? ) Android mod is probably the best non-aosp android build...

Well Samsung works for me. I had to root GS2 for regional font support and print screen. In GNote, I ran stock unrooted for 6 months as all that I needed were already there. Then I started exploring and flashed several ROMs. Some which are closest to Nexus version have everything in white background (eye straining). Some do not support SPen. Some had more annoying bugs than Samsung stock. So finally back to stock TW and TW is blessing. If I buy Galaxy Nexus, I will want to flash TW. When OS starts to reach maturity, having latest OS is not always required on the first day. For example - we can almost run everything in Windows XP, the same has started to hold true in Android too. And SPen is blessing, it has saved me borrowing pen from waiter and draw quick diagrams on tissue paper dozen times.
Sent from GNote.

hth2813 said:
So what will be your next phone ?
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I'm waiting for Durex 4 to be delivered.

Is development dying ????

I been having galaxy phone since the s2..... I even remember with the s3,s4 there were pages of development but starting with the 5 is all been going downhill ??? We have a couple devs that work their ass off to bring us top roms and kernels glad to have them aboard or it would be completely dead..... but it doesn't seem like it was as popular as before..... Are people going away from android, Or just no that interested into flashing roms no more..... I really miss the old days that you will sign into your device thread "TMOBILE" for me and would have to decide which rom and kernel to go with for the week lol......

gdmlaz said:
I been having galaxy phone since the s2..... I even remember with the s3,s4 there were pages of development but starting with the 5 is all been going downhill ??? We have a couple devs that work their ass off to bring us top roms and kernels glad to have them aboard or it would be completely dead..... but it doesn't seem like it was as popular as before..... Are people going away from android, Or just no that interested into flashing roms no more..... I really miss the old days that you will sign into your device thread "TMOBILE" for me and would have to decide which rom and kernel to go with for the week lol......
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get a nexus 6 its crazy there, i was flashing mad and sometimes 3/4 roms a day so no not dead just yet
just a bit slow here for now

Since note 3 this road has been slowly dieing
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hussam1988 said:
Since note 3 this road has been slowly dieing
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That's exactly what I feel I mean go into any galaxy s3, s4 thread and look how many roms are out there u get bored of thinking which to pick from....... Don't know if many devs have grown out of it and are doing other things with their lives now or there is not a demand like before but I got my galaxy 5 and it was dead only like 2 or 3 roms for the full year i owned the phone....... now with the galaxy 6 is looking even worse

gdmlaz said:
That's exactly what I feel I mean go into any galaxy s3, s4 thread and look how many roms are out there u get bored of thinking which to pick from....... Don't know if many devs have grown out of it and are doing other things with their lives now or there is not a demand like before but I got my galaxy 5 and it was dead only like 2 or 3 roms for the full year i owned the phone....... now with the galaxy 6 is looking even worse
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Knox counter happened
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Knox counter happened
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Do people really care about knox so much ?? I mean you could still turn in a device that has knox tripped for jump...... and warranty do they even care if you turn in a device that has knox tripped like phone insurance ? I never seemed what the big deal is

gdmlaz said:
Do people really care about knox so much ?? I mean you could still turn in a device that has knox tripped for jump...... and warranty do they even care if you turn in a device that has knox tripped like phone insurance ? I never seemed what the big deal is
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Never delivered a device into a dealer to test if warranty existed after a knox counter breached
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i've turned several rooted phones into t mobile for problems when they were rooted, and they couldnt care less about root or knox..
Where you MIGHT have an issue is if you send a phone into Samsung itself..
And, as far as dev for this phone, I think it will pick up some as more time passes; its really only been 30 days since the official release, but yeah, the note 4 had a few roms within the first few weeks it was released.
Frankly, I think that there are so many annoying N00bs buying Samsung phones, that alot of the top Dev's have stopped buying them and if they do, they just make roms for themselves and their close "friends"..
XDA has become a haven for the leeches, the "I expect answers and help immediately" crowd, and most of the top Dev's got sick of that nonsense and either went private or went to Nexus phones..
I think I might go nexus when its time to "jump" soon...

wase4711 said:
i've turned several rooted phones into t mobile for problems when they were rooted, and they couldnt care less about root or knox..
Where you MIGHT have an issue is if you send a phone into Samsung itself..
And, as far as dev for this phone, I think it will pick up some as more time passes; its really only been 30 days since the official release, but yeah, the note 4 had a few roms within the first few weeks it was released.
Frankly, I think that there are so many annoying N00bs buying Samsung phones, that alot of the top Dev's have stopped buying them and if they do, they just make roms for themselves and their close "friends"..
XDA has become a haven for the leeches, the "I expect answers and help immediately" crowd, and most of the top Dev's got sick of that nonsense and either went private or went to Nexus phones..
I think I might go nexus when its time to "jump" soon...
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That's it in a nutshell I think - I've been using custom roms and kernels since the original Galaxy S1 came out, and people on here and other forums have got progressively ruder and more demanding with each passing year, to the point where many devs have given up.
The sense of entitlement to features and support for what is usually a hobby for devs is sickening sometimes.
Also, to be fair, I think devices are getting that powerful and good than custom roms aren't needed to the same extent. Even root isn't as essential as it once was.

nofam said:
The sense of entitlement to features and support for what is usually a hobby for devs is sickening sometimes.
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Boy, that statement should be in the OP of EVERY ROM on XDA..

nofam said:
That's it in a nutshell I think - I've been using custom roms and kernels since the original Galaxy S1 came out, and people on here and other forums have got progressively ruder and more demanding with each passing year, to the point where many devs have given up.
The sense of entitlement to features and support for what is usually a hobby for devs is sickening sometimes.
Also, to be fair, I think devices are getting that powerful and good than custom roms aren't needed to the same extent. Even root isn't as essential as it once was.
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Your last point is what I think the real reason is. Android has gotten good enough that only the power users are going to root and constantly room a device. The average to techy user just doesn't see enough reasons to root a device. If you ask me, it is a pretty good problem to have.
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The only phones I've rooted and flashed were my Milestone and Captivate. Android hardware and software weren't exactly optimized at the time and performance wasn't great.
I've had my S3 for a good 3 years now and I never even rooted it. The performance was good enough that I never bothered. It only got slow with the most recent update but by now, the phone is 3 years old so I upgraded the hardware.
The other thing I didn't like about flashing is that once I did it, I often would have to flash again every other week because there was another update with fixes. It was hard to find something that I could flash and leave for 6 months or longer.

I will wish to jump to nexus if I can. My place or country rarely sell nexus. I didn't even see a real device my self. Only Samsung appear the most. My previous device was note 3, I do see the development slowing down. I hope the edge will have more developer since is a bit pricy and therfore, less newbie compare to s6

glad to see people are agreeing with me....... hopefully we could get a couple top devs back interested in developing some time soon

Another important factor is that Samsung is very closed source regarding their hardware, which makes it almost impossible for AOSP builds to run stably, especially on newer version of Android. Other vendors have made much more effort to support the developer community, so that's where the developers tend to head.

I dont know if I agree with that; my note 4 had/has several very nice and stable AOSP /cm12 based roms running 5.02 on it, but they were Snapdragon based, which may or may not be the difference when it comes to doing things with the Exnos processor..

I think you guys are forgetting that there are way more flagships from other manufacturers these days that are splitting the devs. Samsung used to be the king of the hill till HTC, Sony, LG and Motorola stepped up!
The Nexus is filled with lots of redundant roms which barely differentiate one from another.
When I owned the N5, I just left it at stock cause it was the most stable!

Elisha said:
Samsung used to be the king of the hill till HTC, Sony, LG and Motorola stepped up!
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Samsung was never king of the hill. HTC has made killer flagships since before Android. They also made the first Android phone. HTC has had the majority of devs since Windows Mobile. HTC was the main reason for xda to even exist. You want more devs, buy a HTC phone.
I think the real reason that Samsung doesn't get more devs here is because of the following:
1 Touchwiz
2 Touchwiz
3 KNOX
4 Switch to Samsung SoC
5 Devs know which devices are truly better, and the majority don't go Samsung.
It's a shame that Samsung is going down a path that is not dev friendly, after all competition is a good thing. They do have some nice hardware. If it weren't for Touchwiz(bloated bunch of crap) lagging the UI and KNOX, they would get a lot of attention here. But then again, all they really care about is totally volume of devices sold(like crapple), not if they are well received here. KNOX gets them enterprise sales, bye bye sd card!
BMW used to be a great company when they made only a few hundred thousand cars each year. Now they are like everyone else, they pump out high numbers of crap. Samsung is going down the same path.

c5satellite2 said:
Samsung was never king of the hill. HTC has made killer flagships since before Android. They also made the first Android phone. HTC has had the majority of devs since Windows Mobile. HTC was the main reason for xda to even exist. You want more devs, buy a HTC phone.
I think the real reason that Samsung doesn't get more devs here is because of the following:
1 Touchwiz
2 Touchwiz
3 KNOX
4 Switch to Samsung SoC
5 Devs know which devices are truly better, and the majority don't go Samsung.
It's a shame that Samsung is going down a path that is not dev friendly, after all competition is a good thing. They do have some nice hardware. If it weren't for Touchwiz(bloated bunch of crap) lagging the UI and KNOX, they would get a lot of attention here. But then again, all they really care about is totally volume of devices sold(like crapple), not if they are well received here. KNOX gets them enterprise sales.
BMW used to be a great company when they made only a few hundred thousand cars each year. Now they are like everyone else, they pump out high numbers of crap. Samsung is going down the same path.
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Windows Mobile is not what is in question here! HTC was pretty much the only manufacturer that mattered in those days for that platform.
Ever since the first Galaxy S, Samsung has been king of the hill.
HTC is ridiculous with the S-Off nonsense in the same way that Samsung is with KNOX. But at least the bootloader is still unlocked for most of the Samsung variants!
Sony contributes to AOSP and encourages development it seems. Motorola is back in the game for now at least with the Moto X line. LG has been doing great since the Optimus G. OPO stole away a bunch of developers as well.
Lot more options now in comparison...not to mention the other great Chinese phones like Huwei, Xiaomi, ZTE, Oppo, Lenovo and the Taiwan based Asus!

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Another important factor is that Samsung is very closed source regarding their hardware, which makes it almost impossible for AOSP builds to run stably, especially on newer version of Android. Other vendors have made much more effort to support the developer community, so that's where the developers tend to head.
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^^^ This, and this ​vvv
wase4711 said:
I dont know if I agree with that; my note 4 had/has several very nice and stable AOSP /cm12 based roms running 5.02 on it, but they were Snapdragon based, which may or may not be the difference when it comes to doing things with the Exnos processor..
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Samsung device + Exynos SoC = closed source, thus no fully functional AOSP or CM-based ROMs.