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something i didnt found an answer on?
will the I9505 flashed with stock vanilla rom from google edition receive it's updates like an original I9505GE?
nielsvg said:
something i didnt found an answer on?
will the I9505 flashed with stock vanilla rom from google edition receive it's updates like an original I9505GE?
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If you flash the Platform + CSC file from the Odin firmware, yes.
But everyone must stay stock (kernel,recovery etc)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2343709
Mate, you're on XDA, why bother with OTA's? ^^
Aerys said:
If you flash the Platform + CSC file from the Odin firmware, yes.
But everyone must stay stock (kernel,recovery etc)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2343709
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so: if google plans rollout to GE edition phone for official release 4.3 of KLP you will receive it also on your standard I9505?
i dont get why this is? thats why there are nexus phone but other phones that you flash like this wont get the ota like a nexus?
Theshawty said:
Mate, you're on XDA, why bother with OTA's? ^^
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just asking myself the question PLUS i use a company phone. if i brick it i pay it so....
nielsvg said:
so: if google plans rollout to GE edition phone for official release 4.3 of KLP you will receive it also on your standard I9505?
i dont get why this is? thats why there are nexus phone but other phones that you flash like this wont get the ota like a nexus?
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Because we are using the exact same I9505G system,kernel,csc,recovery and its official firmware so thats why.
Aerys said:
Because we are using the exact same I9505G system,kernel,csc,recovery and its official firmware so thats why.
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How does this differ from say flashing the stock rom zip and a stock recovery? That way, you'd be on the stock odexed rom, with the stock kernel and the default CSC. No hassling with Odin.
So does that mean we will be able to get the OTA Updates and have a 100% GE S4?
Because my Father would really like the Google Edition S4 but he already got the Standard one and he doesn't know ANYTHING about flashing but if it would be possible to flash he could get the OTA Updates.
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AdisR said:
So does that mean we will be able to get the OTA Updates and have a 100% GE S4?
Because my Father would really like the Google Edition S4 but he already got the Standard one and he doesn't know ANYTHING about flashing but if it would be possible to flash he could get the OTA Updates.
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OTA will brick your phone atm because the bootloader can't be flashed from the GE on the 9505
so installing the android 4.2.2 google edition (not 4.3 because it is not possible with odin) you still wont receive OTA updates?
MichelN said:
OTA will brick your phone atm because the bootloader can't be flashed from the GE on the 9505
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Usually ota updates doesn't flash bootloader unless there's a bootloader update ofc. So you can get updates but it's recommended to not do ota updates for your phone. Specially not when it can brick your device but it's you're choice if you want to
wrapping my head around GE
Sorry for the noobness;
I have an i9505; ever since it was announced, I was looking forward to flashing my i9505 into a GE.
Some initial roms have appeared. I just wanted to better understand some of the terms thrown around to make an informed decision;
The ROM seems to be pretty similar between all those who have thrown their hat into the ring: jamal2367, janjan, samuel2607, Hazanwar, m3dd0g, and maybe a few others. Is there any major difference between these ROMs? Q: Should all these ROMs be identical? They all have the same origin, and all are trying to go for the pure/vanilla GE experience
I think each of the ROM modders are using different kernels, or kernels slightly modified. Again; what is the official kernel for GE? is the "stock kernel" for GE the same "stock kernel" for all S4 i9505? My device is Model number SGH-I337M; Kernel v3.4.0-518267; is this the GE kernel? I know kernels can be tweaked to overclock or undervolt a phone, getting performance or better battery, respectively. I'm trying to turn my i9505 into a GE clone. Which kernel should I be looking for?
Some people have mentioned CSC. This is where I'm completely lost. From what I understand, CSC is the way phone manufacturers classify and differentiate phones model for specific countries and specific carriers. Is this correct?
Either way; how does CSC help or hurt my goal of emulating fully a GE phone? Would I need to change the currrent CSC in my phone to a second CSC? What would that accomplish?
also; someone has mentioned recovery. Should I interpret that as the bootloader? are these things related, or the actual same thing referred differently? how does the bootloader (and/or) recovery help me clone a i9595GE?
I have a question. Why are there many people working on GE Rom, and there's no actualy GE firmware (without bugs) like TW firmwares to be flashed on the phone?
Piero88 said:
I have a question. Why are there many people working on GE Rom, and there's no actualy GE firmware (without bugs) like TW firmwares to be flashed on the phone?
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Piero88 said:
I have a question. Why are there many people working on GE Rom, and there's no actualy GE firmware (without bugs) like TW firmwares to be flashed on the phone?
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there are actually pretty stable (at least the 4.2 one) however why they work on it its mostly due to its easier when you get all the libraries for the device to something they've waited for. pure AOSP can be good if you wouldn't miss the features s4 gives.
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i suggest you shouldstop doing so, bumping a thread is not allowed and specially not after one hour and some minutes
It was 11 hours... Anyways ok
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I have just been having a read about the 4.4 for N3 and people are talking about the new bootloader and not forcing it and some people being hard bricked.
My question is this, is going from a custom 4.3 to a custom 4.4 is there anything I need to do to make sure it installs correctly or doesn't hard brick?
Or is the only problem going from 4.4 back to 4.3?
At the moment on X-Note and just looking at a couple of the other Touchwiz 4.4 custom roms, if I install one of them can I not go back?
And is this the same for the CM 4.4 Nightlies?
Thanks
alpward said:
I have just been having a read about the 4.4 for N3 and people are talking about the new bootloader and not forcing it and some people being hard bricked.
My question is this, is going from a custom 4.3 to a custom 4.4 is there anything I need to do to make sure it installs correctly or doesn't hard brick?
Or is the only problem going from 4.4 back to 4.3?
At the moment on X-Note and just looking at a couple of the other Touchwiz 4.4 custom roms, if I install one of them can I not go back?
And is this the same for the CM 4.4 Nightlies?
Thanks
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Bootloader will auto install if you choose XEO package.
You cannot go back once you upgrade, so no CM no XNOTE etc (for now at least) - You can go on SweetROM or AndroidNOW and a couple of others though.
radicalisto said:
Bootloader will auto install if you choose XEO package.
You cannot go back once you upgrade, so no CM no XNOTE etc (for now at least) - You can go on SweetROM or AndroidNOW and a couple of others though.
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But I can go from any 4.4 ROM to any other 4.4 ROM? So I could go to CM11 from SweetROM or AndroidNOW?
alpward said:
But I can go from any 4.4 ROM to any other 4.4 ROM? So I could go to CM11 from SweetROM or AndroidNOW?
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CM is 4.4 but the bootloader is MJ7 based. Which means it will not work on the NA6 Bootloader that comes with 4.4.2 -- You can use SweetROM AndroidNOW, KINGDROID or FlexKAT only. No CM Build will run on the NA6 Bootloader currently and probably not for a long time yet.
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CM is 4.4 but the bootloader is MJ7 based. Which means it will not work on the NA6 Bootloader that comes with 4.4.2 -- You can use SweetROM AndroidNOW, KINGDROID or FlexKAT only. No CM Build will run on the NA6 Bootloader currently and probably not for a long time yet.
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Cool, good to know. If I had backed up a ROM not on NA6, could I restore back to that? That restores the old bootloader, yeah?
Nope, Samsung block all downgrades. And this applies to NA6, which means once you upgrade to NA6 you are stuck with it until further notice with no return. Chances are a return will never be possible the same as going back before MJ7 which is still impossible.
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Nope, Samsung block all downgrades. And this applies to NA6, which means once you upgrade to NA6 you are stuck with it until further notice with no return. Chances are a return will never be possible the same as going back before MJ7 which is still impossible.
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Just, hopefully, one last thing:
If I do go from a NA6 back to MJ7, will I brick my phone?
alpward said:
Just, hopefully, one last thing:
If I do go from a NA6 back to MJ7, will I brick my phone?
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IF you attempt it you will bootloop, so basically a soft brick yes. And you'll need to reflash NA6 to get out of the bootloop
alpward said:
But I can go from any 4.4 ROM to any other 4.4 ROM? So I could go to CM11 from SweetROM or AndroidNOW?
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What region is your phone? If its Hong Kong TGY, then you can install only Hong Kong Firmware. So, be careful.
rinuvimal said:
What region is your phone? If its Hong Kong TGY, then you can install only Hong Kong Firmware. So, be careful.
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I think I've got a French version, how do I check?
alpward said:
I think I've got a French version, how do I check?
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Dial *#1234# on your phone. You'll you'll see three codes, AP, CP and CSC.
In CSC, check what code you see.
compare it to these region codes : http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Csc
rinuvimal said:
Dial *#1234# on your phone. You'll you'll see three codes, AP, CP and CSC.
In CSC, check what code you see.
compare it to these region codes : http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Csc
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My CSC is N9005OXXDMK3, it doesn't match any of the codes...
@alpward , did you try to update your firmware using Kies3? Since you have a Poland CSC, you should get the Official 4.4.2 update via Kies. Give it a try.
rinuvimal said:
@alpward , did you try to update your firmware using Kies3? Since you have a Poland CSC, you should get the Official 4.4.2 update via Kies. Give it a try.
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I don't really want to go to a non-custom ROM. My other question is, if I backup a pre 4.4 pre-new bootloader ROM, can I restore back to it after going to the new bootloader or does it lock it forever?
alpward said:
I don't really want to go to a non-custom ROM. My other question is, if I backup a pre 4.4 pre-new bootloader ROM, can I restore back to it after going to the new bootloader or does it lock it forever?
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You are locked to the new bootloader forever until further notice.
radicalisto said:
You are locked to the new bootloader forever until further notice.
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Lucky, cause I haven't updated just yet.
alpward said:
Lucky, cause I haven't updated just yet.
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Yip, I'd sit on your current BL for now, see what happens with this new KK stuff in the next few weeks... Especially now sources are available etc also.
radicalisto said:
Yip, I'd sit on your current BL for now, see what happens with this new KK stuff in the next few weeks... Especially now sources are available etc also.
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How can you tell what bootloader the ROM has before installing? As in, CM11 doesn't have the new bootloader, right?
ROM Post should tell you what BL it's running, and yes, CM runs on the old BL either MJ7 or MK* depending on build.
What is the difference between devices hltetmo and hltecan? I have a hltecan. Will we need CyanogenMod compiled for hltecan? I notice that recoveries have different versions for both devices. Also I am wondering about downgrading for 4.4 (when it comes) to 4.3. Is there a surefire way to upgrade and downgrade between 4.4 TW 4.4 CM and 4.3TW? I would not mind voiding my Knox counter. Just worried about being stuck or getting a brick for another 21 months on contract :silly:
jtl999 said:
What is the difference between devices hltetmo and hltecan? I have a hltecan. Will we need CyanogenMod compiled for hltecan? I notice that recoveries have different versions for both devices. Also I am wondering about downgrading for 4.4 (when it comes) to 4.3. Is there a surefire way to upgrade and downgrade between 4.4 TW 4.4 CM and 4.3TW? I would not mind voiding my Knox counter. Just worried about being stuck or getting a brick for another 21 months on contract :silly:
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you cant downgrade if you want cm you have to stay on 4.3 for now
jaythenut said:
you cant downgrade if you want cm you have to stay on 4.3 for now
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Sigh. I would do anything to be able to upgrade and downgrade between versions. Even Knox counter. If anyone finds something let me know
jtl999 said:
Sigh. I would do anything to be able to upgrade and downgrade between versions. Even Knox counter. If anyone finds something let me know
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I played around a bit earlier... The only firmware you can upgrade to 4.4.2 and downgrade back to 4.3 is the mexican telco one for the n900w8, however I had some issues but will play some more tomorrow when I get time. As for KNOX, it's just one of them things we have to live with I'm afraid..
EDIT: I'm gonna mess with the bootloader and see, doubt it can be matched/mixed to work with the N9005 but what's the harm in trying.
radicalisto said:
I played around a bit earlier... The only firmware you can upgrade to 4.4.2 and downgrade back is the mexican telco one for the n900w8, however I had some issues but will play some more tomorrow when I get time. As for KNOX, it's just one of them things we have to live with I'm afraid..
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Please try with Telus firmware please. Currently on MJ1
radicalisto said:
I played around a bit earlier... The only firmware you can upgrade to 4.4.2 and downgrade back to 4.3 is the mexican telco one for the n900w8, however I had some issues but will play some more tomorrow when I get time. As for KNOX, it's just one of them things we have to live with I'm afraid..
EDIT: I'm gonna mess with the bootloader and see, doubt it can be matched/mixed to work with the N9005 but what's the harm in trying.
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The harm in trying is a hardbrick.
Well yes there is that, however I am not overly fussed about it, as most HB's can be revived. I am aware of all the risks, so will be my fault 100% if I brick myself.
I upgraded my note 3 yesterday to android 4.4 with cm 11, using the probam rom.
I noticed that it lacked the s pen features, so i downgraded back to stock rom.
Download a stock rom and flash it trough twrp
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Rajito said:
I upgraded my note 3 yesterday to android 4.4 with cm 11, using the probam rom.
I noticed that it lacked the s pen features, so i downgraded back to stock rom.
Download a stock rom and flash it trough twrp
Sent from the Android beast: Galaxy Note 3
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Flash a tar.md5 through twrp? What version of the stock rom?
Did you have the new bootloader?
Rajito said:
I upgraded my note 3 yesterday to android 4.4 with cm 11, using the probam rom.
I noticed that it lacked the s pen features, so i downgraded back to stock rom.
Download a stock rom and flash it trough twrp
Sent from the Android beast: Galaxy Note 3
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CM is based on MJ/MK Bootloader. You could run Android 9.6 and it'd make no difference. It's all about the bootloader
radicalisto said:
CM is based on MJ/MK Bootloader. You could run Android 9.6 and it'd make no difference. It's all about the bootloader
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Sorry. Can't understand exactly. What exactly means what versions you can run with a new bootloader?
MJ7 is the bootloader that powers CM currently. You need a bootloader to be able to boot into the operating system. Like a key into the phone.
If you upgrade your bootloader to a newer version aka NA6 it locks the phone. Therefore anything that runs lower than NA6 aka MJ7 won't work.
Think of it like, you broke your door, you got a new door and tried to use the old key. It no long works.
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radicalisto said:
MJ7 is the bootloader that powers CM currently. You need a bootloader to be able to boot into the operating system. Like a key into the phone.
If you upgrade your bootloader to a newer version aka NA6 it locks the phone. Therefore anything that runs lower than NA6 aka MJ7 won't work.
Think of it like, you broke your door, you got a new door and tried to use the old key. It no long works.
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I know how bootloaders work. Isn't there a way to omit bootloaders from Odin tar.md5 updates? Once I/Someone figures that out I'm golden staying with my old bootloader. Currently on MJ1.
jaythenut said:
you cant downgrade if you want cm you have to stay on 4.3 for now
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hi, can you elaborate?
i always thought samsung doesn't let you downgrade to an older bootloader. but if you install CM (not samsung official updates) the bootloader doesn't get updated so you can downgrade in the future.
unless you upgrade to 4.4.2 official samsung ROM and update the bootloader, then you'll never be able to downgrade again?
jtl999 said:
Flash a tar.md5 through twrp? What version of the stock rom?
Did you have the new bootloader?
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No, if you want to try out kitkat i recommend you to use a cyanogenmod based 4.4 like probam, it doesn't update your bootloader and you can just downgrade back to jellybean
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Well, i was so stupid to flash the new stock 4.4 TW rom just to try it but after reading some topics it seems i am stuck on tw for now and can not go back to cm11.
How far are the developers on getting an AOSP running on the new bootloader? Or has anyone managed to go back to the 4.3 bootloader?
or is it possible to use the stock 4.4.2 kernel on cm11 and solve this problem that way for now?
johanveld said:
Well, i was so stupid to flash the new stock 4.4 TW rom just to try it but after reading some topics it seems i am stuck on tw for now and can not go back to cm11.
How far are the developers on getting an AOSP running on the new bootloader? Or has anyone managed to go back to the 4.3 bootloader?
or is it possible to use the stock 4.4.2 kernel on cm11 and solve this problem that way for now?
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theres no way at the mo but dont think its going to be to long
you can go back if you have n900w8 but thats the only model
jaythenut said:
theres no way at the mo but dont think its going to be to long
you can go back if you have n900w8 but thats the only model
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then I just have to wait...
I have the n9005 so if the crack the problem that should be one of the first devices
I hope that is comes soon, but for now its TW for me.
Just installed the google launcher so it eases the pain a little.
Hello , i looking for a stable kernel for my kit kat 4.4.2. I have lg d802, whit root and recovery and old bootloader i think, i instal rom from recovery... Any one nows have a experience of a good kernel?
Thanks
unfortunately we dont have custom kernel for stock 4.4.2 yet ... hopefully soon we'll have a few to play with :good:
zekurosu said:
unfortunately we dont have custom kernel for stock 4.4.2 yet ... hopefully soon we'll have a few to play with :good:
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OK... so all the kerneis are for custom roms... so sad... i like stock rom...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2680948
This is the new stock kernel for 4.4 that let's you flash 4.4 based stock Roms strait from 4.2. You must also flash the baseband when going back and forth. (I think this is what you asked for)
If youre talking about a modified stock kernel for 4.4, then no. No one has anything out yet. And more then likely won't for a bit after all devices have access to 4.4
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Lawlrus said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2680948
This is the new stock kernel for 4.4 that let's you flash 4.4 based stock Roms strait from 4.2. You must also flash the baseband when going back and forth. (I think this is what you asked for)
If youre talking about a modified stock kernel for 4.4, then no. No one has anything out yet. And more then likely won't for a bit after all devices have access to 4.4
Sent from my VS980 4G
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OK...but i was looking for a mod for overclock my device, i dont understand why there are for custum roms and for stock no... i have old bootloader whit recovery and root on 4.4.2...
thanks