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As soon as the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 was available at T-Mobile, I bought it. And as soon as I got it home, I rooted it. Only later I found out about the KNOX security counter which I unknowingly tripped when I rooted it. I can't be the only one who has done this. Luckily I haven't had any issues or defects with my Note 3. But if I had, I would be stuck, wouldn't I? And if there are OTA fixes for bugs, which I heard there were, I'm also stuck, aren't I?
I just wanted to know, are some of these OTA fixes being provided via zip files that can be flashed for those unfortunate enough to root and trip the KNOX sensor before the XDA-Fix was released?
Also, I don't know if this is the first phone with this problem but has anyone had experience with a defective device that is KNOX-compromised but still received a replacement unit?
I know I'm grasping at leaves in the wind but the more I started to dwell on the possibility of future issues, it really made me feel uneasy, especially after paying a full $801.44 for this beast.
Tha Watcher said:
As soon as the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 was available at T-Mobile, I bought it. And as soon as I got it home, I rooted it. Only later I found out about the KNOX security counter which I unknowingly tripped when I rooted it. I can't be the only one who has done this. Luckily I haven't had any issues or defects with my Note 3. But if I had, I would be stuck, wouldn't I? And if there are OTA fixes for bugs, which I heard there were, I'm also stuck, aren't I?
I just wanted to know, are some of these OTA fixes being provided via zip files that can be flashed for those unfortunate enough to root and trip the KNOX sensor before the XDA-Fix was released?
Also, I don't know if this is the first phone with this problem but has anyone had experience with a defective device that is KNOX-compromised but still received a replacement unit?
I know I'm grasping at leaves in the wind but the more I started to dwell on the possibility of future issues, it really made me feel uneasy, especially after paying a full $801.44 for this beast.
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Although I did not root straight away as I was certain an update might come out fairly close to the launch.. which it did... and as soon as that happened I rooted... only to find 2 days later that another update was released and a KNOX friendly root method came out! I was so frustrated by this, but I guess my root needs were pressing.
So I would also like to know how I can update my phone now, as I used CF Auto Root which keeps the stock recovery. I have learned a lot about these issues in the past with other phones but all this KNOX stuff has muddied the solutions somewhat.
I think there should have been a big warning somewhere to let people know that triggering knox you will lose your warranty.
I didn't root right away so I am lucky.
All my devices get rooted within minutes of receiving. For some reason I said "naw I will leave this alone for awhile"
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I am in the same boat, rooted as soon as I got it, knox now void.
I struggle to see why it should bother me. I can think very few eventualities where I would want to claim on the warranty, and maybe I'm naive to the way companies treat those claiming under warranty, but if a fault is hardware based, why should what I do to the software stop them from accepting responsibility? If the battery explodes it wasn't cause I deleted bloatware changed some UI elements.
I'm used to this sort of thing, I rooted immediately as I'm a typical power user that makes avid use of being able to read/write/delete system files in order to improve my overall experience with the phone.
The loss of the warranty is the only biggie, however, I ensured everything works like I feel it should from the speakers to signal strengths. Then I got insurance through squaretrade on the phone so I'm not particularly worried about much else now. If something does go wrong with the phone, it's almost guaranteed to be an insurance matter at this point.
Not receiving OTAs is fairly irrelevant; I'm probably going to stick with with stock or stock-based rom with this phone as I have been thrilled with the experience of the latest iteration of Touchwiz and I know I will always be able to get the latest updates through XDA as this community is just that amazing here. So yes, to directly answer your question, it is very likely that either on the general note 3 XDA forums or one of the carrier specific Note 3 XDA forums you'll be able to get the updates that correct particular elements of the software. So you won't ever miss out on anything, however you'll have to be more diligent in keeping up on the releases now since you won't just get a notification about them.
Same boat, but half the OTA updates are to unroot us anyways, and fortunately you can still flash the good ones.
Just WATCH OUT if you make a back-up. DO NOT FLASH RECOVERIES until you read about the efs, and brickloop
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Hey guys I was so impressed with my new snap 800 note 3
I pushed my old man to ditch his pos nexus 10 and get a 10.1 2014 asap it just came in literally 45min ago.
Are there any bounty threads rolling yet for 0X0 root on the US exynos 10.1 2014 edition yet? (Christ can they make the name any more longer and confusing FFS?)
Thanks! Seems like a great unit compared to the n10 I hope we can get more than 4 hrs battery. Ugh.. the n10 was a disaster if we get battery close to to note 3 this baby is a keeper.
Cheers!
There was a bounty thread for creating a root method with KNOX 0x0 and we had a developer, Beanstown, take on the challenge. However, his root method, while successful in rooting the device, trips the KNOX counter. He collected the $300+ bounty anyway, even though he only accomplished half of what the bounty was for, and effectively killed off the only incentive we had to offer for getting a full proof root from another, more capable developer.
He's an asset to the XDA community, I'm sure he has contributed a great deal to the Android customization scene, he did give us root and people were happy enough to contribute their pledge to him, but personally, I think it was a **** move on his part to collect it. As a man, if I didn't deliver on what's expected of me I would not have collected the $ or would have only taken half of it, seeing as I only accomplished half the goal.
I mean think about what that says to people considering buying this tablet, "Yeah, you can root it, but your $600 tablet is now completely void of warranty, good luck when something happens" That's not exactly gonna create enough interest from people who are into customizing their android devices, people who serve as a source of demand to get more developers working on this, so we're kind of stuck in a development limbo.
Anyways, it was before my time on here and people did with their money as they chose, can't fault them. However. I'd be happy to pledge $20 towards a real root method.
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There was a bounty thread for creating a root method with KNOX 0x0 and we had a developer, Beanstown, take on the challenge. However, his root method, while successful in rooting the device, trips the KNOX counter. He collected the $300+ bounty anyway, even though he only accomplished half of what the bounty was for, and effectively killed off the only incentive we had to offer for getting a full proof root from another, more capable developer.
He's an asset to the XDA community, I'm sure he has contributed a great deal to the Android customization scene, he did give us root and people where happy enough to contribute their pledge to him, but personally, I think it was a **** move on his part to collect it. As a man, if I didn't deliver on what's expected of me I would not have collected the $ or would have taken half of it, seeing as I only accomplished half the goal.
I mean think about what that says to people considering picking up this tablet, "Yeah, you can root it, but your $600 tablet is now completely void of warranty, good luck when something happens" That's not exactly gonna create enough interest from people who are into customizing their android devices, people who serve as a source of demand to get more developers working on this, so we're kind of in development limbo.
Anyway, it was before my time on here and people did with their money as they chose, can't fault them. However. I'd be happy to pledge $20 towards a real root method.
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Yeah, I made a pledge for root and was disappointed to find that it tripped knox. I didn't specify 0x0 (since I didn't know much about knox prior to this) so I paid up. Definitely doesn't motivate me to pledge again on things I don't have a full understanding of but IF there is a full success I will donate again. I keep hoping that beans is still working on it and has every intent to finish what he started. As it stands, I don't care to take advantage of the root that I helped to fund.
I am VERY careful of who and what I send funds to, one, I'm not rich, and two, if I sent funds to every pledge that wanted it, I'd be broke.
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Yeah, I made a pledge for root and was disappointed to find that it tripped knox. I didn't specify 0x0 (since I didn't know much about knox prior to this) so I paid up. Definitely doesn't motivate me to pledge again on things I don't have a full understanding of but IF there is a full success I will donate again. I keep hoping that beans is still working on it and has every intent to finish what he started. As it stands, I don't care to take advantage of the root that I helped to fund.
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About 2 weeks ago, one of his very last posts in this section of XDA was about how he was planning on returning the Note '14 and waiting for the 2nd generation Nexus. So who knows?
I think the best thing to do will be for us, as a community, to figure out ways to drum up developer support for this device in more ways then just a bounty. We currently have a couple of members who have reached out to Note III developers who have shown interest in creating Roms for the Note tablet. Some of us are trying to put together a custom recovery using an automated method, but so far it hasn't been successful and none of us are really that experienced in these things.
If we can drum up support from developers for recoveries, roms or roots, then eventually they will figure out a way to reverse the KNOX counter for everyone who rooted their device the Beanstown106 way as well. Because even if you're the luckiest person on the planet, got a zero fault device or you treat this tablet like it's a Rolls Royce, it's eventually going to run out of battery cycles just from charging the device every day. And that battery is going to need to be replaced. (Li-Ion batteries get around 300 cycles before serious degradation occurs, so expect it happening in the first year) We can't really leave these people out in the cold with a $600 tablet in their hands, especially people who have no idea what that KNOX counter does.
I wish I had the funds to just buy one for development, maybe we need to set up a permanent fund on XDA, that one could draw from if they could prove that they were deserving of it by meeting certain requirements. This asking funds for every device is getting to be too expensive.
HOLY S&!%!!!!!
In the Note 3's general forum they have a bounty going since mid October two find a way to reverse the KNOX counter and it's reached nearly $1200 and counting, yet not single person has been able to do it lmao. It's probably the most popular phone out right and has massive developer support behind it yet nobody can crack it even with a cool G on the line.
Regardless of the past, we need to get another bounty going for a full proof method because in the end it'll be the cheaper alternative.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2486346
If there is somebody who finds a way it shouldn't take so much time until this device will get a trick by that person or another who ports that trick. Both devices are similar as fas as I know, aren't they?
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If there is somebody who finds a way it shouldn't take so much time until this device will get a trick by that person or another who ports that trick. Both devices are similar as fas as I know, aren't they?
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Note 3 has full proof root methods for all variations. Both kinds of custom recovery options, even for the international Note 3 that shares our CPU. Tons of Roms. And we're sitting here with nothing on all counts.
So, no.
Based on that, I would say it won't be easy.
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Note 3 has full proof root methods for all variations. Both kinds of custom recovery options...
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Custom recovery even for Verizon variant? I thought that hadn't been done yet.
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Custom recovery even for Verizon variant? I thought that hadn't been done yet.
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I dunno dude. I'm not too concerned with the Note 3, all I know is they have infinitely more stuff and it ain't making its way over here.
Nothing from the exynos variation which should be VERY similar is making its way here.
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Note 3 has full proof root methods for all variations. Both kinds of custom recovery options, even for the international Note 3 that shares our CPU. Tons of Roms. And we're sitting here with nothing on all counts.
So, no.
Based on that, I would say it won't be easy.
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At this moment the Note 3 has more stuff than the Note 10.1 2014, but that doesn't mean that our device won't have that stuff in nearly future. Now, the N3 is more popular than our.
I'm optimistic because the more progress on N3 means more progress for N10.1 2014 - I hope
For example, I won't do anything (even root) my device until KNOX has been bypassed (the hardware part). If it is bypassed on N3 devs for our device can port it somehow for us.
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At this moment the Note 3 has more stuff than the Note 10.1 2014, but that doesn't mean that our device won't have that stuff in nearly future. Now, the N3 is more popular than our.
I'm optimistic because the more progress on N3 means more progress for N10.1 2014 - I hope
For example, I won't do anything (even root) my device until KNOX has been bypassed (the hardware part). If it is bypassed on N3 devs for our device can port it somehow for us.
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You're right. We'll just have to wait and keep our fingers crossed.
Reversing the efuse is going to be tough and will likley take more knowledge than most developers have. Efuses are a *field-programmable gate array*(FPGA) technology. Reversing the efuse will require an electrical or computer engineer. I happen to be a graduate student in Electrical and Computer engineering and have done extensive work with FPGA technology. Without knowing the software side of things and how the tablet is causing the re-configuration of the transistors, undoing it once it is done might be impossible without the use of specific tools only Samsung has. Reversing the fuse is totally possible, and I'm sure Samsung has the hardware to reset it.
I'll run this by a few of my software folks and see what they think. It's funny.. As a technology buff, working in the upper echelon of technology, it's amazing to me that non of my friends or coworkers root their phones, or even know what root is... Its crazy
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Knock it Off Please
Ok folks, I closed the thread to give chances to back away from the keyboard for awhile (or back away from the bottle), and think about what you're going to post.
Yes, I cleaned out the thread of some really useless and derogatory comments.
True, there were some valid points, unfortunately, I, nor anyone else will take the time to edit them amongst all the useless e-peen garbage that was included in them.
So if your post was deleted, it was because you did a “Reply to”, and junk was in the “quoted part”.
Clearly some folks think it's ok to bypass the “swear” filters, unfortunately we mods will get notified eventually. So if 'ya think yer bein smart........
I'm not gonna “bring out the ban hammer” at this time, but I would advise “some” people, to be careful of what they post, and to have a little respect for each other. We all have devices, and all want to make them better than what they are. We also make mistakes, sometimes foolish (I myself have, so I know how it is). However, that doesn't mean to one should go off on a rampage and grill users who have.
So I will ask you folks try and be civil to each other, and not behave like “trolls”, and not to reply to trollish comments as it only adds fuel to the fire, as if I have to come back and do a “clean-up in aisle 6” again, the outcome won't be so pretty. Use the “report post” function, and be the end of it.
As with “bounty”, I can say generally a method is developed eventually, so no need for bounties, although sometimes they serve a purpose. But generally a method gets exploited eventually.
One should never be in a hurry to brick their device.
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Oh, and as far as "knox" you all might want to check with @Chainfire . I understand he knows more about it than anybody Seem to remember he came up with a method to re-set it on certain devices...... something to that effect..
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Moscow Desire said:
Oh, and as far as "knox" you all might want to check with @Chainfire . I understand he knows more about it than anybody Seem to remember he came up with a method to re-set it on certain devices...... something to that effect..
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Out of curiosity you a link for any info regarding any devices where this was reset? Personally don't care about Knox but I'm curious as hell as how it may have been done....And to what stopping from working on all devices as that's a decent motivation (the thousand plus bounty) to working on variants....although be almost that methodology be completely different between Snapdragon and Exynos chips....
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Out of curiosity you a link for any info regarding any devices where this was reset? Personally don't care about Knox but I'm curious as hell as how it may have been done....And to what stopping from working on all devices as that's a decent motivation (the thousand plus bounty) to working on variants....although be almost that methodology be completely different between Snapdragon and Exynos chips....
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If I am not mistaken, I came across it in the SGS III (international) forums. Seeing I am planning to upgrade to SGS III, I was checking root and development. Chainfire has CF Auto root, and also I remember seeing how they reset the knox counter (or bypassed it)
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Moscow Desire said:
If I am not mistaken, I came across it in the SGS III (international) forums. Seeing I am planning to upgrade to SGS III, I was checking root and development. Chainfire has CF Auto root, and also I remember seeing how they reset the knox counter (or bypassed it)
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I had the GS3 international version and I don't remember there ever being a knox efuse like the newer devices. It did have a flash counter and Jorrit(chainfire) did have a method to reset that (Unless later firmwares implemented knox after I got rid of the device which seems like ages ago)
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I had the GS3 international version and I don't remember there ever being a knox efuse like the newer devices. It did have a flash counter and Jorrit(chainfire) did have a method to reset that (Unless later firmwares implemented knox after I got rid of the device which seems like ages ago)
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Yeah, you may be right. Perhaps it was the flash counter. Will see in another week when I get mine. (will be a giant step up from the original HTC Desire). Not to sure I'm keen on using Odin though Will feel like a n00b all over again!
However, recent "leaks" of firmware from Sammy have arrived "without" knox (according to recent Portal posts). Whether they incorporate it into the "official" releases remains to be seen though. One can only hope they've seen the errors of their ways and scrapped it.
All I see in almost every thread is Knox this and Knox that and all the concern. I'm not well versed so someone please educate me if I'm wrong but if all it is for is a warranty issue/concern, then who gives a crap.
I mean, I started with Palm OS devices, migrated to Win OS, transfered to iOS and graduated to Android. Over all those years I never lost a phone, had one stolen or dropped and broke one. So really, unless a lot of you guys are really careless or abusive, why all the concern for "warranty"?
Unless there is a bigger picture I'm missing, I don't get it. So it is just warranty or something else?
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All I see in almost every thread is Knox this and Knox that and all the concern. I'm not well versed so someone please educate me if I'm wrong but if all it is for is a warranty issue/concern, then who gives a crap.
I mean, I started with Palm OS devices, migrated to Win OS, transfered to iOS and graduated to Android. Over all those years I never lost a phone, had one stolen or dropped and broke one. So really, unless a lot of you guys are really careless or abusive, why all the concern for "warranty"?
Unless there is a bigger picture I'm missing, I don't get it. So it is just warranty or something else?
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yeah just warranty only when you root, but there are ways around it like you said who cares , i rooted mine in 5 minutes of having it
We have galaxy s3, note 2 which dying from sds syndrome never rooted never flashed totally stock, before them and when came out 4.0.4 ics update many galaxy s2 bricked when owner tried to factory reset, faulty wifi faulty gps and many many other. For these reasons people wants to have warranty ok.
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I understand it affecting corporate materials and such but no company I know is out buying a fee hundred or more N3's
rooting versus warranty, sure I get that. I have had VZW CSRs try to tell me that crap and not want to troubleshoot things that were network related only to later find out it had nothing to do with my device. They are trained to check and shutdown any support possibly offered.
But this Knox crap, I could care less. My last few devices I paid for off contract (aka full price).
With Knox crippling root (for now at least, hopefully something will come out later) leaving you open to carrier OTA imposed updates and pretty much not control over your phone, I wonder, is this going to hurt Samsung sales in the future? I can tell you this, last night when I became aware I could not root without tripping Knox I was not really happy. This crippled me from using Titanium Backup to restore my apps with their data and moving my ringtones to the system folder where they should be (I had problems on the Note 1 when I had them in the sd card). Now, last night I take an undesired OTA upgrade followed by all my apps updating as well. Not being able to stop the upgrade really did pissed me off, is my phone, not AT&T... I had to restore one app to the previous version and I have no idea what else needs to be rolled back...
Man, I was pissed and having got the phone on Saturday I am really considering return it but I had preorder the spigen screen protector and a new case even before buying the Note 3 and they are installed. I bet if I return it someone will come with a fix next day...:silly::silly: and I would have lost the screen protector.... If this is going to be the norm for Samsung, as much as I hate it, I will not get getting that Note 4 upgrade I was thinking on getting or any of their phones. I think there are other phone manufacturers as good (LG comes to mind)...
What do you guys think?
I HATE KNOX My Warranty Bit already 1 maybe that is silly KNOX WTF. KNOX Mess my GT-I9200 ( Snap Dragon )
Hope samsung will not put KNOX on Exynoss. Hope KNOX will Close the factory. USELESS KNOX
@ Fernandq I think you are better off with Samsung. Lg doesn't update their phones!
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With Knox crippling root (for now at least, hopefully something will come out later) leaving you open to carrier OTA imposed updates and pretty much not control over your phone, I wonder, is this going to hurt Samsung sales in the future? I can tell you this, last night when I became aware I could not root without tripping Knox I was not really happy. This crippled me from using Titanium Backup to restore my apps with their data and moving my ringtones to the system folder where they should be (I had problems on the Note 1 when I had them in the sd card). Now, last night I take an undesired OTA upgrade followed by all my apps updating as well. Not being able to stop the upgrade really did pissed me off, is my phone, not AT&T... I had to restore one app to the previous version and I have no idea what else needs to be rolled back...
Man, I was pissed and having got the phone on Saturday I am really considering return it but I had preorder the spigen screen protector and a new case even before buying the Note 3 and they are installed. I bet if I return it someone will come with a fix next day...:silly::silly: and I would have lost the screen protector.... If this is going to be the norm for Samsung, as much as I hate it, I will not get getting that Note 4 upgrade I was thinking on getting or any of their phones. I think there are other phone manufacturers as good (LG comes to mind)...
What do you guys think?
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Let me explain in very simple words - AT&T has had locked bootloaders for some time, and that has not hurt their sales in any relevant way - you are still their customer, and while we are all *****ing and moaning about the lack of freedom people are still feeding AT&T possibly thousands of US$/year.
So it boils down not so much to "freedom" but to having actual choice and having the consumers vote with their wallet. My current Note 3 can probably last me 2-3 years from now, but when that comes close to an end I will most certainly try to not buy a Samsung + Knox phone if I have a choice! (by that time I will be hoping in something like the Ubuntu phone dual-booting Ubuntu 64 and Android 64).
Lol. Knox doesn't stop root, it only kills warranty. Why should Samsung the warranty if you've modified the device?
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Lol. Knox doesn't stop root, it only kills warranty. Why should Samsung the warranty if you've modified the device?
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Very much AGREE:good:
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Lol. Knox doesn't stop root, it only kills warranty. Why should Samsung the warranty if you've modified the device?
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Knox don't prevent root in itself, I understand that but it does indirecly since it would void the warranty. If I brick my phone I do agree Samsung should not have to fix it but in the past Samsung has declined fixing hardware issues because the software in the device haw been modified even if that modification has nothing to do with the software.
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Knox don't prevent root in itself, I understand that but it does indirecly since it would void the warranty. If I brick my phone I do agree Samsung should not have to fix it but in the past Samsung has declined fixing hardware issues because the software in the device haw been modified even if that modification has nothing to do with the software.
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All the manufacturers will do that if they find you have rooted. The only difference is that both Samsung and HTC have a reliable way of tracking it.
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did i ever said only Samsung?
I would like to have an idea of the dev support the phone will get. The s4 was a let down for me development wise, so it would be great to know which devs and how many will own the device. Wanam and AndreiLux won't get the s5 The M8 already got a good support.
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I would like to have an idea of the dev support the phone will get. The s4 was a let down for me development wise, so it would be great to know which devs and how many will own the device. Wanam and AndreiLux won't get the s5 The M8 already got a good support.
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Yeh I hope this phone has good support, the GS2 was incredible and still being played with on the forums, I've had an i777 past few years and it had ridiculous support and still does (pry would have stuck with it for now and see what happens over the next year but I dropped it in ocean other day and rice sure as heck didn't save it lol). Have an early S4 too that wife has and it was rooted and rom'd, then all the firmware and updates happened and that's when Dev support almost died on that phone. I actually thought of getting an S4 for my upgrade instead but since it'd be from AT&T it would be on the current bang your head through a wall firmware/baseband.
I seriously hope the S5 is able to root and have rom support, and not the cluster f' the S4 is now but I doubt it considering Sammy made Knox etc even more complicated now.
Yea with Knox and all I just don't see much support, the s4 is just dead especially on the kernels side , I already preordered mine but now I'm not sure if I wanna keep it or cancel. The m8 is just a boring sexy phone (if you read the forums everyone is so scared they already put it in cases) so there's no other alternative atm
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Yea with Knox and all I just don't see much support, the s4 is just dead especially on the kernels side , I already preordered mine but now I'm not sure if I wanna keep it or cancel. The m8 is just a boring sexy phone (if you read the forums everyone is so scared they already put it in cases) so there's no other alternative atm
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That's my problem, need a phone now as my i777 took a swim after being so careful with it for 2 1/2 years. But there's like nothing out there, I can get a refurbed S4 through AT&T for free on my upgrade but it'll have the current baseband/firmware so screwed there, I can get an M8 which is unlockable but has a crap camera (looks fine on phone, not so when you upload pics or use on desktop), or the S5 where your just perma screwed being locked and knox. There's nothing else, and can't wait as need a phone now. Sucks, so much for the days of Android being open. I'm seriously considering going back to Apple as much as I dread that as at least you can still jailbreak and not deal with all the headaches of rooting and flashing now (thats if you can), not like the i777 days where it was a breeze.
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Yea with Knox and all I just don't see much support, the s4 is just dead especially on the kernels side , I already preordered mine but now I'm not sure if I wanna keep it or cancel. The m8 is just a boring sexy phone (if you read the forums everyone is so scared they already put it in cases) so there's no other alternative atm
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Dead? ROMs: Omega, Wanam, Echoe, Bobcat...
Kernels: KT, Adam, Faux, Alucard, Talexop...
I guess you're one more who doesn't have an idea of what Knox is, and then talks BS.
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Dead? ROMs: Omega, Wanam, Echoe, Bobcat...
Kernels: KT, Adam, Faux, Alucard, Talexop...
I guess you're one more who doesn't have an idea of what Knox is, and then talks BS.
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I don't think he meant dead as in "dead" you can still play around just a huge headache, i got lucky and have an early model S4 for wife, I think he meant Dev work and support/updates once they started changing firmware/baseband that made it too much of a hassle for Devs to deal with. With the S5 being even more strict and encrypted from whats said so far of updated Knox, at least with U.S. Carriers, makes me feel like there will be very little support. Some known Devs have already said their not going to bother with the S5 or at least U.S. variants
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I don't think he meant dead as in "dead" you can still play around just a huge headache, i got lucky and have an early model S4 for wife, I think he meant Dev work and support/updates once they started changing firmware/baseband that made it too much of a hassle for Devs to deal with. With the S5 being even more strict and encrypted from whats said so far of updated Knox, at least with U.S. Carriers, makes me feel like there will be very little support. Some known Devs have already said their not going to bother with the S5 or at least U.S. variants
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Well, there's a world outside the US.
Just don't buy the international version (or more specifically third-world international version) if you're worried about this. The S4 was relatively lucky that I single-handedly did everything from scratch kernel side, else you'd be more disappointed.
Still don't see why anybody from the S4 gen would warrant buying the S5 or M8 when they'll be bashed by the end of summer.
I wouldn't have bothered with the S5 if it wasn't for the deal I got from O2.
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I also hope for great dev support. Although I have tried to learn how to build ROMS many times and still haven't got an idea how to really. I will be more than willing to help any dev.
Getting the S5 on release date hopefully!
dandroid13 said:
Dead? ROMs: Omega, Wanam, Echoe, Bobcat...
Kernels: KT, Adam, Faux, Alucard, Talexop...
I guess you're one more who doesn't have an idea of what Knox is, and then talks BS.
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I know what Knox is and I was talking about the exynos variant, as Wanam left for the snapdragon version then he said the next phone is htc m8. I could care less about warranty I have been using smartphones since the beginning and I have never used the warranty. So yeah, if we end up with 3 devs that's "dead support to me"
Andreilux I know that by q3 more powerful phones will be on the market but my s4 is driving me crazy with sudden battery drains and wifi wakelocks, I just wanna get rid of if. And yes I'm thankful for your work since I used it on s3 n2 and s4
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I know what Knox is and I was talking about the exynos variant, as Wanam left for the snapdragon version then he said the next phone is htc m8. I could care less about warranty I have been using smartphones since the beginning and I have never used the warranty. So yeah, if we end up with 3 devs that's "dead support to me"
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I'm thinking of creating ROMs (at last!). I'm certainly buying the S5 and dev'ing for it.
The S5 won't see a massive amount of non-stock roms, and certainly less than the Snapdragon S4. But there will be some with the architecture being open source unlike Somsung's Exynos. Also, there will be a lot of roms based on stock.
To be honest, I'm probably going to be happy sticking with stock anyway as certain features will be lost as soon as Samsung's framework is taken out of the equation (fingerprint recognition being the main one).
What I would really love to see more than anything else is an exploit-based root solution that doesn't trip the knox flag. But I believe the Note 3 4.4.2 roms still haven't had that so I'm not holding my breath for the S5. I'm still deciding if I should leave my phone unrooted when I get it on Friday or just bite the bullet and trip the flag the CF Auto Root. The idea of not being able to use Viper4Android isn't one that appeals.
AndreiLux said:
Still don't see why anybody from the S4 gen would warrant buying the S5 or M8 when they'll be bashed by the end of summer.
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I wonder, what do you mean. Are we expecting something amazing by the end of the summer?
My personal opinion is that it is not worth spending money at anything because next year everything will be bashed by something like this...
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7925/...bit-socs-with-lte-category-67-support-in-2015
Pagnell said:
The S5 won't see a massive amount of non-stock roms, and certainly less than the Snapdragon S4. But there will be some with the architecture being open source unlike Somsung's Exynos. Also, there will be a lot of roms based on stock.
To be honest, I'm probably going to be happy sticking with stock anyway as certain features will be lost as soon as Samsung's framework is taken out of the equation (fingerprint recognition being the main one).
What I would really love to see more than anything else is an exploit-based root solution that doesn't trip the knox flag. But I believe the Note 3 4.4.2 roms still haven't had that so I'm not holding my breath for the S5. I'm still deciding if I should leave my phone unrooted when I get it on Friday or just bite the bullet and trip the flag the CF Auto Root. The idea of not being able to use Viper4Android isn't one that appeals.
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I agree, Touchwhiz has gotten a lot better, and I just use GoLauncher Prime and DiCikonZ icon package so I can put up with no roms, but really want to see a solution to root w/o tripping knox. I hate bloat that comes on Sammy/AT&T phones. And I want my damn Tibu back that I paid for.
Pagnell said:
The S5 won't see a massive amount of non-stock roms, and certainly less than the Snapdragon S4. But there will be some with the architecture being open source unlike Somsung's Exynos. Also, there will be a lot of roms based on stock.
To be honest, I'm probably going to be happy sticking with stock anyway as certain features will be lost as soon as Samsung's framework is taken out of the equation (fingerprint recognition being the main one).
What I would really love to see more than anything else is an exploit-based root solution that doesn't trip the knox flag. But I believe the Note 3 4.4.2 roms still haven't had that so I'm not holding my breath for the S5. I'm still deciding if I should leave my phone unrooted when I get it on Friday or just bite the bullet and trip the flag the CF Auto Root. The idea of not being able to use Viper4Android isn't one that appeals.
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Im in agreement with you on both points. I don't necessarily care about a custom ROM as much as I care about gaining root and getting rid of the bloatware. I am new to the Galaxy S world of things (my S5 arrives today!) so I am glad to know there is a potential early option although a non-preferable one that trips a no warranty flag. However as mentioned in someone elses reply I have never used a warranty option with a phone, but the one time I count on that I may be jinxing myself.
Looking forward to getting my hands on this phone today, and hopefully root not too far behind.
I'm not into Roms that's I emphasize on kernel devs, that's how you unlock the phones potential
dandroid13 said:
Dead? ROMs: Omega, Wanam, Echoe, Bobcat...
Kernels: KT, Adam, Faux, Alucard, Talexop...
I guess you're one more who doesn't have an idea of what Knox is, and then talks BS.
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Agreed.
The people who cry are the ones who previously got away with rooting their device and keeping their warranty.