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I still have my Tf700T.
I am curious for those that already have this tablet, how is the performace straight out of the box (stock)?
My buddy has the tab 2, and it seems to flutter when moving screen to screen.
Is this any better?
Besides the screen resolution, can anyone compare the performance of the note to the Infinity?
You can find a few reviews on Youtube which clearly demonstrates the performance out of the box:
Unboxing and preview - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elFOFD1UNzQ
Demonstrations - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUxFN5kwS9E and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brfs6bjZ5h4
Edit: I can't see any stuttering or microlag at all so I believe the performance out of the box is excellent!
lardo5150 said:
I still have my Tf700T.
I am curious for those that already have this tablet, how is the performace straight out of the box (stock)?
My buddy has the tab 2, and it seems to flutter when moving screen to screen.
Is this any better?
Besides the screen resolution, can anyone compare the performance of the note to the Infinity?
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I can't compare it to the TF700 but compared to the OG 10.1 it's night and day. It never stutters and transitions are incredibly smooth. The browser's also very impressive. Don't forget that the TF700 suffers from the typical Asus quality issues, doesn't have 5GHz Wi-Fi, and has horrible I/O bottlenecks. Those bottleneck are why the N7 gets such ****ty AnTuTu scores. It would be great if the Note had a HD display but it's a trade off against S-Pen and overall performance.
Here's a full test and some benchmarks:
http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/300...iew-high-end-tablet-but-lacking-in-resolution
By far better than the asus, multitasking brings many new creative ideas to ics, its more useable now, ready to replace your laptop on the go !
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ready to replace your laptop on the go !
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In addition to the two-years of 50GB Dropbox storage, Polaris is multi-view enabled and now saves/accesses files you store in Dropbox. I hope Samsung comes out with a BT keyboard like the OG 10.1 had.
Do you think that the multi-screen thing is the power of this GNote 10"1 ?
We can see some apps already in the market (browser with Overskreen, video players...) for others tablets.
Do we need these benchmarks when the screen is not HD ? Can we compare these with HD Tablets ?
Do you think that it is an expensive tablet ?
S-Pen is a gadget ? I am a student, I already tested GNote and we can't do anything with the S-Pen, keyboards are much better for students. Maybe for those who like drawing, a little ?
The pen is a better choice for any student who studies a technical field. Equation, diagrams, annotations are all important for good notes. Even for non students, meeting notes are impossible to take with any decent accuracy on a keyboard. The conversations often jump around too much and there are a lot of visual representations used (again probably not true for all occupations, but anything that requires technical knowledge).
The smart shape stuff also looks awesome for drawing diagrams for presentations. We are a visual people, and the pen is the best instrument for drawing anything.
Infact I'll go one step further. No scientist I know thinks at the keyboard. Everyone thinks with a pen/paper or on a white board. When you are brainstorming its almost impossible to think about typing but sketching out ideas with a pen feels natural.
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Do you think that the multi-screen thing is the power of this GNote 10"1 ?
We can see some apps already in the market (browser with Overskreen, video players...) for others tablets.
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Teg3 might be able to run some of the split screen apps but good luck with 1GB of RAM. The Note has 2GB of RAM for a reason.
Do we need these benchmarks when the screen is not HD ? Can we compare these with HD Tablets ?
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Benchmarks are meaningless. They do help calculate an individual devices performance. Do you have a problem with apps opening too quickly, transitions being too smooth, or tons of apps running well at the same time? If you don't care about those things any gen-one Teg2 device will meet your needs. The comparison to an HD tablet is that it's not an HD tablet. The other stuff was more important to me than HD. Most here will agree or they wouldn't have bought a Note. Asus and Acer aren't the kings of quality either which after following the Prime has pretty much sworn me off of Asus.
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Yes.
S-Pen is a gadget ? I am a student, I already tested GNote and we can't do anything with the S-Pen, keyboards are much better for students. Maybe for those who like drawing, a little ?
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I use it for handwritten notes quite well. It also converts handwriting in to text. There's a big difference between taking notes on a phablet and a real tablet. Also the G-Note's only dual-core with 1GB of RAM so it's slow in comparison.
@redviper666
"The pen is a better choice for any student who studies a technical field. Equation, diagrams, annotations are all important for good notes."
I am a student-engineer, scientist field, and we were talking about this tablet with colleagues. We won't use a tablet for equation, diagrams or annotations. Definitely not, you are wrong. We tried to imagine, but a paper and a pen is much better for this. S-Pen won't help us, but it would slow down our note taking.
If we need to write a report, or an article, we won't use it either. On one hand, we use to work with a big resolution, then we can visualize all the document, make some modification easily. On the other hand, we are more effective with a keyboard. For example we use to be on computer with Word, and there already are very good stuffs for equations, diagrams... It's easy and "neat". We would use S-Pen for rough copy maybe, but again we were talking about take a stylo, and a paper.
I see S-Pen like this : "It is useless, then it is essential". I exaggerate. But a keyboard is very much better, we can't write something with S-Pen. Even with a stylo+paper, we are faster with a keyboard. A mouse and a keyboard are irreplaceable.
"Even for non students, meeting notes are impossible to take with any decent accuracy on a keyboard."
Then, until now, we couldn't do it ? Keyboard is the best way. I can prove you, Pen is really not easy compared with keyboard. When I am in a conference, I will write with a physical keyboard (ASUS TF700) or a capacitive keyboard (GNote 10.1), tell me if you see professionnals using S-Pen. Impossible.
"The smart shape stuff also looks awesome for drawing diagrams for presentations. We are a visual people, and the pen is the best instrument for drawing anything."
Presentations are not drawing. Again, we always have one hand on the mouse, the other on the keyboard. Then, with Powerpoint, we can easily put a diagram with the mouse (we know exactly how to do of course, if not you are not a good worker), and write in with the keyboard. Drawing a circle to put a diagram won't help us... I can bet 1000$ that we won't see it in companies, in conference, in key-note...
Maybe you want to have fun doing a rough copy (again) with a GNote, but we don't need to buy a GNote 10.1 to make a rough copy.
"Infact I'll go one step further. No scientist I know thinks at the keyboard. Everyone thinks with a pen/paper or on a white board. When you are brainstorming its almost impossible to think about typing but sketching out ideas with a pen feels natural. "
Mathematicians would use paper and stylo of course. A big part of engineer would use keyboard to write reports, or a brainstorming. Again, and again, and again, we really don't need a graphic (tablet) or a GNote to use a paper with a pencil, for rough copy. It's much easier and faster with our actual paper. Generaly, we use keyboard anyway.
@BarryH_GEG
"Teg3 might be able to run some of the split screen apps but good luck with 1GB of RAM. The Note has 2GB of RAM for a reason."
Actualy, 2 GB of RAM is too much !
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I can easily use split screen with Overskreen or video player with 1 GB !
"The other stuff was more important to me than HD. Most here will agree or they wouldn't have bought a Note. Asus and Acer aren't the kings of quality either which after following the Prime has pretty much sworn me off of Asus. "
Okay, I don't want fanaticism for Samsung, or a devotion for our personal choice to convince ourselves. But I am going to put some arguments against yours, without thinking about Samsung or ASUS/Acer, just features.
Now, do you really think S-Pen is more important than HD / Full HD ? Having fun 2 days with your pen on S-Note (capacitive keyboard is a huge thing when you want to write something). Polaris Office is better with HD / Full HD, and split screen would be very very good on GNote with Full HD ! I can't see what do you think about when you say "other stuff" ?
Tablets are very good for multimedia, and sometimes to write reports with a physical keyboard, or even capacitive. Both using useful with Full HD. What do you think about ?
Do you think that it's easier to write a report (or an article) with S-Pen ?
S-Pen is only for small drawings with "Draw Something" apps ; and if you want to draw precisely, you need 300 dpi (3500 x 2600), or at least 200 dpi (2400 x 1600). That's a gadget, really not necessary.
"I use it for handwritten notes quite well. It also converts handwriting in to text."
Try a physical keyboard.
We are much faster with a keyboard, particularly if you need to converts it in to text. I don't need to be precise if I need to draw a small drawing on my "rough paper" with a standard capacitive screen.
Personally, I suggest that we should create our company. Then we create our tablet with :
- PLS technology (GNote screen with his S-Pen), it could be useful if I listen to you
- Full HD technology on this
- ASUS Keyboard on this
- iPad anti-reflection technology
This would be the perfect tablet !
StiiLe said:
I can bet 1000$ that we won't see it in companies, in conference, in key-note...
Maybe you want to have fun doing a rough copy (again) with a GNote, but we don't need to buy a GNote 10.1 to make a rough copy.
Mathematicians would use paper and stylo of course. A big part of engineer would use keyboard to write reports, or a brainstorming. Again, and again, and again, we really don't need a graphic (tablet) or a GNote to use a paper with a pencil, for rough copy. It's much easier and faster with our actual paper. Generaly, we use keyboard anyway.
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I'm not sure what kind of engineer you are, but the amount of scratch paper that is sitting on my work desk is immense. I have killed many poor trees sketching free body diagrams, making rough calculations, and writing short-hand notes for all of the projects I do (structural engineering). Making reports for submittal is merely a small part of what is done and typically when i'm working on a project my computer screen is on sleep mode because I have no use for it.
I would much rather use the S-Pen and have my notes easily accessible if a client or co-worker were to ask me a question.
I think we need to get a Notecore Kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1749863 for the Tab as well!
I run it on my normal note and it made it much faster and responsive and also battery lasts longer.
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I'm not sure what kind of engineer you are, but the amount of scratch paper that is sitting on my work desk is immense. I have killed many poor trees sketching free body diagrams, making rough calculations, and writing short-hand notes for all of the projects I do (structural engineering). Making reports for submittal is merely a small part of what is done and typically when i'm working on a project my computer screen is on sleep mode because I have no use for it.
I would much rather use the S-Pen and have my notes easily accessible if a client or co-worker were to ask me a question.
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Right, I had read his post. Curious.
I have been pulling my hair out about this. I have quite a few things (calculations) that take up about twenty pages. Now, it takes me half of my time organizing the mess. I have maps just to guide me thought this! This can be rather stressful :laugh: . Tablets are generally really uncomfortable, and pen a paper is not. But the pulp is just messy, and I've got to try to get out from under this. IYKWIM.
Of course you can get really good at Mathmatica or Mathcad, and that I do also (not the 'really good' part), but it's even more uncmfortable.
Oh I know, you think "Twenty pages of calculation" He must be a genius. Answer: No, a genius would do it in one page, or in his head. I'm an idiot
Anyway, this new variety is pretty cool. Me thinks.
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I am a student-engineer, scientist field, and we were talking about this tablet with colleagues… …I see S-Pen like this : "It is useless, then it is essential". I exaggerate. But a keyboard is very much better, we can't write something with S-Pen. Even with a stylo+paper, we are faster with a keyboard. A mouse and a keyboard are irreplaceable. Even for non students, meeting notes are impossible to take with any decent accuracy on a keyboard. Then, until now, we couldn't do it ? Keyboard is the best way. I can prove you, Pen is really not easy compared with keyboard. When I am in a conference, I will write with a physical keyboard (ASUS TF700) or a capacitive keyboard (GNote 10.1), tell me if you see professionnals using S-Pen. Impossible.
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You really shouldn't impose your personal opinion or that of a small group of people you associate with on others. For the majority of meetings I'm in it would be considered rude and inappropriate to be hammering away at a keyboard when you should be focusing on the body language of the people in the meeting and the person speaking at the time. For those situations, the Note is perfect. Maybe your attitude will change when you’re no longer a student and in business (vs. technical) meetings.
Actualy, 2 GB of RAM is too much !
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You don't follow Android devices much, do you? The Adreno GPU in the new S4 chip reserves 350MB of RAM for itself. With only 1GB of RAM available multitasking is abysmal. Why do you think the U.S. SGS3 with the S4 chip has 2GB of RAM? Samsung doesn't give away RAM (and profit) without reason.
Okay, I don't want fanaticism for Samsung, or a devotion for our personal choice to convince ourselves. But I am going to put some arguments against yours, without thinking about Samsung or ASUS/Acer, just features.
Now, do you really think S-Pen is more important than HD / Full HD ? Having fun 2 days with your pen on S-Note (capacitive keyboard is a huge thing when you want to write something). Polaris Office is better with HD / Full HD, and split screen would be very very good on GNote with Full HD ! I can't see what do you think about when you say "other stuff" ?
Tablets are very good for multimedia, and sometimes to write reports with a physical keyboard, or even capacitive. Both using useful with Full HD. What do you think about ?
Do you think that it's easier to write a report (or an article) with S-Pen ?
S-Pen is only for small drawings with "Draw Something" apps ; and if you want to draw precisely, you need 300 dpi (3500 x 2600), or at least 200 dpi (2400 x 1600). That's a gadget, really not necessary.
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This is a non-sensical rant. I have a HTC One X so I'm no Samsung fanboy. The performance and features of the Note are better than any Android tablet on the market (for now). Asus has a poor reputation for quality as you can see on the front page of any of their devices in this forum. Including the new N7. They don't offer 5GHz Wi-Fi, have I/O issues because of the cheap NAND they use, and have problems using BT and Wi-Fi streaming concurrently because they use AzureWave vs. Broadcom radios to save money. If you think HD is more important than those things, nifty. Not everyone does.
Try a physical keyboard. We are much faster with a keyboard, particularly if you need to converts it in to text. I don't need to be precise if I need to draw a small drawing on my "rough paper" with a standard capacitive screen.
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Not everyone cares about a keyboard. Especially those that use their tablets primarily for consumption. The faux-MS Office products on Android are crap and the incompatibility with most corporate products make them inappropriate as laptop replacements. If keyboards were so important Asus' market share would be higher and everyone would be imitating them. It's not and they aren't.
I feel offended. I'll try to answer a little bit.
@cocoajumpa and @BarryH_GEG
"You really shouldn't impose your personal opinion or that of a small group of people you associate with on others. For the majority of meetings I'm in it would be considered rude and inappropriate to be hammering away at a keyboard when you should be focusing on the body language of the people in the meeting and the person speaking at the time. For those situations, the Note is perfect. Maybe your attitude will change when you’re no longer a student and in business (vs. technical) meetings."
I was student, and now my job is working on some projects, we often call it "sales engineer", and I have to defend a project with his pro & cons, and of course his prices. Then, very often, I have to send e-mail, or write reports after a meeting. Most of the time, my job isn't technical anymore. I better need a Full HD (for an overall view of the document) + Keyboard.
My colleagues (and me) are still using real computers during the meetings, and we are all taking notes on the keyboard while someone is talking, I can take photos to prove it to you, Barry. Maybe that you will be impressed, but during the meeting, some of them are directly putting down their report and we receive it just after it ends... I can't believe that they can talk and write a professional report at the same time, but they use to do it.
I have never seen someone with a paper+pencil in business meeting ! Or even with a tablet and capacitive pencil, or now GNote10"1. The standard is and will be keyboard, isn't it ?
I read something about Office on Android, that Microsoft is working on it for the end of 2012, or Q1 2013. Can you confirm it ?
"You don't follow Android devices much, do you? The Adreno GPU in the new S4 chip reserves 350MB of RAM for itself. With only 1GB of RAM available multitasking is abysmal. Why do you think the U.S. SGS3 with the S4 chip has 2GB of RAM? Samsung doesn't give away RAM (and profit) without reason."
Are you telling me that 1 Gb of RAM is not enough at all ? TF700 is bad for example if you would use Overskreen or something like that on it ?
We must have 2 Gb for multitasking on Android ?
"This is a non-sensical rant. I have a HTC One X so I'm no Samsung fanboy. The performance and features of the Note are better than any Android tablet on the market (for now). Asus has a poor reputation for quality as you can see on the front page of any of their devices in this forum. Including the new N7. They don't offer 5GHz Wi-Fi, have I/O issues because of the cheap NAND they use, and have problems using BT and Wi-Fi streaming concurrently because they use AzureWave vs. Broadcom radios to save money. If you think HD is more important than those things, nifty. Not everyone does."
I'm not Samsung fanboy either, but I really like their GNote 2. As a phone, S-Pen could be cool for taking notes, for a non-professional (at all) using.
I would like you to put down your real thoughts : ASUS are making very bad products ? Everything goes wrong ?
About performance, Note is the best and others are far away behind ? Aren't they approximately the same, out of the box ?
If keyboards were so important Asus' market share would be higher and everyone would be imitating them. It's not and they aren't.
We can't compare ASUS marketing service, and Samsung marketing service... I think ASUS can be proud of them when we see their sales. Do you think that keyboards will disappear ? Don't you think that we will see more and more keyboards ?
About my opinion, I like this PLS technology, and as I said I would like to buy GNote 2 then. But on a tablet, I would prefer Full HD, for multimedia and even for profesionnal using. At this moment, the issues you are talking about have not unsettled me at all. But when I read you, I would be totaly insane to buy a TF700 instead of GNote10"1.
If I think HD is more important than those thing, nifty... What do you mean... am I blind ? Am I totally wrong ?
Barry, +1.
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By the way, I'm not aggressive at all, I'm just trying to see the using of this S-Pen which makes the GNote10"1 amazing for you.
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Here's the difference between my comments and yours. I'm not an engineer and have no idea how practical the S-Pen is in an engineering environment. If the Note were meant exclusively for engineers Samsung wouldn't be offering it as a mass market device and would instead sell it through Samsung Business directly to the engineering field. Perhaps the small percentage of others here who are in engineering can have the debate you're looking for. The launch event tomorrow that's costing Samsung several hundred thousand dollars isn't for a product dedicated to engineering. Something to think about in your critique.
I bought the Note for its performance over everything else. I had a Teg2 OG G-Tab and it was painfully slow and Nvidia not including NEON in the GPU made it horrible for video playback. These are the things that made me buy the Note:
1) CPU/GPU/RAM
2) Multi-view
3) Annotation
4) Taking notes in meetings
5) Exceptional web browsing
6) Samsung's audio and video codec support
7) Useful features like Awake Stay, Pop Up Play, AllShare Cast, and Buddy Photo
8) Rock solid build quality
P.S. - I followed the Prime from its launch. After that, I'd never even consider an Asus tablet regardless of features or cost/benefit.
im a electrical engineering student with a focus in power and electronics, and in all my class there is a lot of schematics, graphs, and math. a regular tablet with a stylus is not the same as a pen with a active digitizer. you can add a keyboard to a tablet but you can add an active digitizer to a laptop. ive tried using my laptop in class and its difficult. in my field theres not that much words to type, just name of the equation and little side notes here and there. using the number pad on a laptop to do equations is slow and difficult. using a mouse or trackpad to do graphs and insert text box here and there is the same. my professors also hand out alot of printed or post online pdf notes, so having the ability to edit and add notes on the pdf on a tablet would be more ideal. yes i can do that on the printed version but by week 3 my backpack is filled with paper.
your technical field must involve more typing but mine doesn't. i have reports to do too, but those reports are usually due in few days; in which i can go home and use my pc for excel and word or even use my bluetooth keyboard with polaris. the note really just apply more to people with the need to write/draw on a tablet. i guess that need would have to be enough to overlook the FHD of the Asus infinity or ipad3. if i didnt need to write so much i would go for the infinity. i do a lot of reading too and i would like to get back into gaming, which is all perfect for the FHD, but it is just not on top of my list. keep in mind, android at the moment has not adapted to FHD yet. 500-600$ (hofully for a wifi version of the note) is a lot, but even though thats a lot of money i know i will upgrade in a year or two for a new tablet and by that time im sure there will be a FHD with active digitizer tablet; and hopefully a majority of android and apps will be FHD by then also.
i am still going to wait a few weeks to buy the note, just to see if any problems come up. if theres a select few that may weigh the note and the infinity the same to me, then i will get the infinity instead. worst case i can get a Adonit Jot stylus for it. the infinity just has a better longevity and better support. where as the note is ideal for my situation at the moment.
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Here's the difference between my comments and yours. I'm not an engineer and have no idea how practical the S-Pen is in an engineering environment. If the Note were meant exclusively for engineers Samsung wouldn't be offering it as a mass market device and would instead sell it through Samsung Business directly to the engineering field. Perhaps the small percentage of others here who are in engineering can have the debate you're looking for. The launch event tomorrow that's costing Samsung several hundred thousand dollars isn't for a product dedicated to engineering. Something to think about in your critique.
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Yep, I understand. I wasn't talking about engineering at the beginning, but multimedia part.
I read someone or even you talking about S-Pen to take notes, that's why I talked about my personal opinion : I take note with keyboard. But as denniegst said, it depends on our using. For the professional part, I think most of us would need keyboard, which is easier and faster, but you think S-Pen is better.
On the GNote 5", S-Note doesn't recognize everything, particularly when we have to write something fast. Is it improved ?
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I bought the Note for its performance over everything else. I had a Teg2 OG G-Tab and it was painfully slow and Nvidia not including NEON in the GPU made it horrible for video playback. These are the things that made me buy the Note:
1) CPU/GPU/RAM
2) Multi-view
3) Annotation
4) Taking notes in meetings
5) Exceptional web browsing
6) Samsung's audio and video codec support
7) Useful features like Awake Stay, Pop Up Play, AllShare Cast, and Buddy Photo
8) Rock solid build quality
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Teg3 has been improved and it includes NEON now. We can watch 1080p videos even with the "Power Saving" mode, only the "companion processor" is on.
1) I understand, but other tablets are not so far right ?
2) I can understand it too, even if there are apps for it too (overskreen ...). That would be a great thing for TF700.
3) and 4) I disagree, but that's personal using. So I can understand (difficult but ok )
5) For me the web browsing is much comfortable with HD or Full HD. But maybe Samsung made a very good browser, I didn't see this part.
6) I don't see the difference, I can read everything.
7) These applications are not needed for me, or I can download similar on the markets.
8) This GNote10"1 is built with the same plastic as GNote 5" ?
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That would be a great thing for TF700.
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Are you here to discuss the Note or to reinforce your purchase of an Infinity? Other than the 1080P display, the Infinity is inferior in every way to the Note. The exception being the hard keyboard option if that's a deciding factor. That and perhaps gaming and not based on performance but the games that are designed and available specifically for Tegra. No matter how big an Asus fan anyone is you can't look at the forums on XDA and not draw the conclusion that some of their choices for materials and how they're assembled aren't questionable. My year-old OG G-Tab was dropped more times than I can count including tumbling down a flight of stairs. It looked as good as new up until the end. I'd love a 1080P display, unfortunately it wasn't available to me in a package I found desirable or worth premium pricing.
Are you ignoring the benchmarks on the first page? The Note trounces the Infinity and every other Teg3 tablet available by a wide margin. And it feels in everyday use exactly how the benchmarks reflect it. Until you use it you'll have no idea how much better it is at just about everything. I'll post some video of some more taxing stuff like watching HD video in a browser when I have time.
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I am a student-engineer, scientist field, and we were talking about this tablet with colleagues. We won't use a tablet for equation, diagrams or annotations. Definitely not, you are wrong. We tried to imagine, but a paper and a pen is much better for this. S-Pen won't help us, but it would slow down our note taking.
If we need to write a report, or an article, we won't use it either. On one hand, we use to work with a big resolution, then we can visualize all the document, make some modification easily. On the other hand, we are more effective with a keyboard. For example we use to be on computer with Word, and there already are very good stuffs for equations, diagrams... It's easy and "neat". We would use S-Pen for rough copy maybe, but again we were talking about take a stylo, and a paper.
I see S-Pen like this : "It is useless, then it is essential". I exaggerate. But a keyboard is very much better, we can't write something with S-Pen. Even with a stylo+paper, we are faster with a keyboard. A mouse and a keyboard are irreplaceable.
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I have no idea what kind of scientist you are but I write papers in Tex, and I think on a paper/pen. Switching to a digital tablet is invaluable for me.
I give a lot of presentations and they have a crap load of complex data flow diagrams. Not once have I felt comfortable making that stuff in power point. I use Visio for these diagrams and I import them into powerpoint. If I could make them on a digital tablet I'd personally be ecstatic.
Don't take it the wrong way, but if you think a big part of being an engineer is writing reports, you aren't a worthwhile engineer. Sometimes we have to write papers, sometimes we have to write reports but the big part of being an engineer or a scientist is thinking. And like I said, when I am brainstorming I can't do it with a keyboard.
Now clearly you are a lot smarter than I could ever be. Clearly. Good for you imo. But I am personally looking forward to the note 10.1 with baited breath.
Any artists out there looking to get this tablet? I am debating between this and my infinity. Biggest factor of course is the S-Pen. the only thing the infinity has going for it is a third party stylus, the Adonit Jot Touch, a bluetooth enabled stylus with pressure sensitivity.
NOTE: If any of you who already have a Note can provide a screenshot of a quick sketch that would be incredible.
I picked up the Note 10.1 to use mostly for sketches. I was planning on doing a proper artist review of the thing when I get a chance, but that could be a week out since I'm in the process of moving and taking a drawing class on top of my normal responsibilities.
You should know that the Jot Touch does not support Android yet. I have one which I use on the iPad. It's pretty good, but the s-pen is far superior.
Also, I'm not convinced the s-pen has 1024 levels of pressure. I believe it has 256 and Samsung is mistaken. At this point there's no way to prove it without some developer writing a little test app.
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Great man! i still have 2 weeks on my return window, anxiously awaiting your sketches.
I asked this in another thread but since you guys are artists you may know. It might also explain the pressure sensitivity question.
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Maybe you can answer a question. I found this second OEM stylus on a site. It's supposed to have an eraser funtion on the other end of the pen in addition to being used just for input. In the description which is vague, it says "8PI." The included S-Pen says "6.5PI." What does PI mean and does a higher number mean the optional pen is more granular?
Included: GALAXY NOTE 10.1IN S PEN 6.5PI FOR BUILT-IN PEN SLOT
Optional: GALAXY 10.1 NOTE BLACK S PEN 8PI 2 PLASTIC 2EA 3 RUBBER 3EA TOOL
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I also found a link to the pen with the eraser.
http://www.gearzap.com/official-samsung-s-pen-with-eraser-for-galaxy-note-10-1.html
Jonphinguyen7 said:
Any artists out there looking to get this tablet? I am debating between this and my infinity. Biggest factor of course is the S-Pen. the only thing the infinity has going for it is a third party stylus, the Adonit Jot Touch, a bluetooth enabled stylus with pressure sensitivity.
NOTE: If any of you who already have a Note can provide a screenshot of a quick sketch that would be incredible.
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I'm hoping to get my note 10.1 monday. I'll upload a picture (if they let me being a noob) and give my thoughts. For comparison I do have an Intous 4.
I'm a 3D animation student and am looking forward to creating storyboards/artwork in my note Will post finding when I get my device.. (I fear that it will be monday at it's soonest)
Here are some thumbnails I was working on for a still life. Just quick stuff. Maybe a minute each. The overall experience with snote is pretty good. The drawing tools are a little bare, but its not bad.
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Here are some thumbnails I was working on for a still life. Just quick stuff. Maybe a minute each. The overall experience with snote is pretty good. The drawing tools are a little bare, but its not bad.
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Looks traditional which is pretty cool and this was simply s note? Have you tried sketchbook pro yet?
Also I got my tracking information and should be getting my Note 10.1 tomorrow. So i'll have some feed back as well.
not sure where pressure sensitivity is in sketchbook express, but here are some quick thoughts: I'm writing this on the note 10.1 itself (the handwriting recog is surprisingly capable if you figure out what settings suit you and l write hard-to-read cursive) 1. pen doesn't lag but apps do 2. photoshop touch is crap for drawing, SERIOUSLY. The brush settings are pretty horrible and I could not get it to produce an ink like line that didn't look ****ty and pixellated. If you just want to paint blobs, ok. It can do that . 3. infinite painter is an option, layer paint is neat with a water brush tool like SAI's but you have to be at 100% zoom for it not to lag. I kind of like that one the best for sketch / painting purposes, 4. The tablet is fast and responsive, I don't care about the multiscreen thing and haven't Tested it. 5. it is definitely only capable of being a tablet which you can sketch for fun on,which is all l expected it to do, so I'm pretty happy and keeping my 32 gb version. This isn't a professional tool by any means. . 6. l hope better drawing apps come out, though. l just wanted something small with great battery life to replace my ancient tablet pc but no way will it replace my desktop and Cintiq combo. However as an on-the-go sketchpad it's fine if you can deal with the ghett o apps. 7. All penabled pens l tested work so far and it feels just like TPC pressure though that could be a software issue. 8. After testing like a million apps I had no time to actually draw anything, haha Someone see if sketchbook works with pressure and let me know Cheers!
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Looks traditional which is pretty cool and this was simply s note? Have you tried sketchbook pro yet?
Also I got my tracking information and should be getting my Note 10.1 tomorrow. So i'll have some feed back as well.
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This was just snote. I played with
Sketchbook Pro and it's fine too.
fishgimp said:
not sure where pressure sensitivity is in sketchbook express, but here are some quick thoughts: I'm writing this on the note 10.1 itself (the handwriting recog is surprisingly capable if you figure out what settings suit you and l write hard-to-read cursive) 1. pen doesn't lag but apps do 2. photoshop touch is crap for drawing, SERIOUSLY. The brush settings are pretty horrible and I could not get it to produce an ink like line that didn't look ****ty and pixellated. If you just want to paint blobs, ok. It can do that . 3. infinite painter is an option, layer paint is neat with a water brush tool like SAI's but you have to be at 100% zoom for it not to lag. I kind of like that one the best for sketch / painting purposes, 4. The tablet is fast and responsive, I don't care about the multiscreen thing and haven't Tested it. 5. it is definitely only capable of being a tablet which you can sketch for fun on,which is all l expected it to do, so I'm pretty happy and keeping my 32 gb version. This isn't a professional tool by any means. . 6. l hope better drawing apps come out, though. l just wanted something small with great battery life to replace my ancient tablet pc but no way will it replace my desktop and Cintiq combo. However as an on-the-go sketchpad it's fine if you can deal with the ghett o apps. 7. All penabled pens l tested work so far and it feels just like TPC pressure though that could be a software issue. 8. After testing like a million apps I had no time to actually draw anything, haha Someone see if sketchbook works with pressure and let me know Cheers!
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Sketchbook Pro has pressure sensitivity. It has to be enabled in the settings. I'm not sure if it's available in Express, but it works good in Pro.
I generally like infinite painter, but it isn't optimized for this large tablet and is crashing constantly.
I'll check out layer paint too.
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little sketch I did in sketchbook pro...it doesn't have pressure sensitivity yet, but I prefer it over PS touch and S-Note....the palm rejection works really well, and the s-pen is really precise...I had a transformer prime and I used a Bamboo stylus with it, but ithe s-pen is miles ahead, and the tablet is smoother and less buggy
gol-D said:
little sketch I did in sketchbook pro...it doesn't have pressure sensitivity yet, but I prefer it over PS touch and S-Note....the palm rejection works really well, and the s-pen is really precise...I had a transformer prime and I used a Bamboo stylus with it, but ithe s-pen is miles ahead, and the tablet is smoother and less buggy
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It does have pressure sensitivity, but you have to turn it on in the settings.
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Here's how you enable pressure in Sketchbook Pro.
http://db.tt/nzKPPR6T
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cmunho said:
It does have pressure sensitivity, but you have to turn it on in the settings.
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Here's how you enable pressure in Sketchbook Pro.
http://db.tt/nzKPPR6T
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oooh thanks I searched only in the brush settings
Now if only we could get MyPaint to run on Android... or maybe Ubuntu on Note 10.1.
Magnesus said:
Now if only we could get MyPaint to run on Android... or maybe Ubuntu on Note 10.1.
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I was already researching this possibility, but I've given up hope for now.
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Wow it seems pretty awesome. My prime also had squiggly line issues, but the infinity doesn't... I guess the only difference is the pressure sensitivity and HD screen.
In for more sketch inspiration.
I was about to get the new Cintiq 22HD but I couldn't justify the price for the actual amount of artwork I do. I wanted the Note to be the end all be all of Tablets but like someone posted above its strong points is data input whether it be sketches, notes etc. My IPad will have to continue to be my media consumption device.
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trineomorph said:
My IPad will have to continue to be my media consumption device.
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Why? Just because of the greater resolution?
Just bought LayerPaint by Nattou.org
Wow. It's a pretty awesome inking experience if you can get over the big UI. It's minimal, but lines are much faster than Sketchbook Pro.
trineomorph said:
I was about to get the new Cintiq 22HD but I couldn't justify the price for the actual amount of artwork I do. I wanted the Note to be the end all be all of Tablets but like someone posted above its strong points is data input whether it be sketches, notes etc. My IPad will have to continue to be my media consumption device.
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Have you considered the Yiynova 10.1?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZR4CFiQEsU
The reviews I've read sound promising. But, it's still something I have to plug into my laptop. I'm gonna stop by Best Buy to try out the Note 10.1. Samsung's promo made it sound like PS Touch was the $h!+, but from this thread, it sounds like that may not be the case.
How is the speed and responsiveness? I tried out the Note (the phone) in the store while it had Gingerbread, and the response was just too slow for my taste (as in I would draw one stroke, and it would appear like a half second later). Would like to see how the 10.1 w/ ICS and quad-core Exynos does in comparison.
Hello all,
I currently work with a Lenovo Thinkpad tablet (for about a year now) and as far as productivity is concerned it is great. The pen helps greatly for marking up drawings, making drawings, photo editing, etc. The problem with this tab however is that it is slow, buggy and poorly constructed. Has anyone compared these two? Here are some of the problems I have with the Thinkpad tablet that I hope were corrected with the the Note 10.1:
1) Start up is slow. 3-5 seconds to let me put in my pink to unlock the tablet.
2) Shoddy Construction. The power button has broken twice.
3) Pen is jumpy. I will be sketching and the pen will just stop writing occasionally and won't start again until I write on a different portion of the screen.
4) Slow. Internet browsing is slow, large PDFs search slowly.
I love and need the pen to work. My TPT was out of commission for 3-4 days and I suffered through it realizing that phones and iPads don't cut it (my wife has an iPad) for productivity. Can any other business professionals (or students) let me know how it's been? Also has anyone tested Quill on it yet? That's my favorite note taking application.
Also are the pens different in any way? Wacom vs active digitizer? This was something I'd always wondered as well, if pens on the upscale windows tabs were different than the one on the Flyer, TPT and now Note 10.1.
Well the tablet is not slow by any means and the pen is not jumpy and it seems pretty well constructed no screen bleed or creaking anywhere. You should get one from amazon or best buy to try out and if you don't like it just return it. Can't answer your question about the digitizer though I have no idea. But it works well for what it is.
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j_ambitious said:
1) Start up is slow. 3-5 seconds to let me put in my pink to unlock the tablet.
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I came from an OG G-Tab 10.1. All the original Teg2 tablets were slow. I'm not sure if you mean boot time or time for the lock screen to display after you hit the power button when the device is sleeping. If it's the latter it's pretty much instantaneous. From pressing restart until the lock screen appeared took 42 seconds.
2) Shoddy Construction. The power button has broken twice.
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Samsung tablets are built like tanks. There's a thread showing the Note torn down. You'll see its pretty well put together.
3) Pen is jumpy. I will be sketching and the pen will just stop writing occasionally and won't start again until I write on a different portion of the screen.
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All other Anroid tablets have capacitive displays. The Note is inductive with a Wacom digitizer and palm rejection. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
4) Slow. Internet browsing is slow, large PDFs search slowly.
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Coming from a Teg2 device you'll be blown away. The browsing experience is near desktop quality.
I am a former Lenovo Thinkpad owner - after my first android tablet experience on the transformer prime, I found that the capacitative stylus allowed me nowhere near the amount of precision that I would be allowed with an active digitizer. Thus, I made the switch to the Lenovo Thinkpad based on the android community consensus that although the tablet didn't offer much, it did offer decent handwriting input via the integrated n-trig system. However, I soon got rid of it because I ran into many of the same problems you did. Having heard the news that a new tablet with an active digitizer was released, the Galaxy Note 10.1, I sprung $500 for it 3 days ago - the difference between the Thinkpad and the Note is night and day in all aspects. If you are on the fence, give it a try. I got mine at best buy knowing that they offer 30 day returns. Right now it is looking like I am keeping it.
You seem to have about all of the questions that I have had on my road to the Note; I'll try to answer them as best I can keeping in mind you are a thinkpad owner.
1) Start-up is FAST. Reboots are no problem. Unlocking the screen is quick as any modern android device.
2) This thing is beautifully constructed - slim and sexy. The Thinkpad is so bulky to me. You won't be replacing any parts on the Note - I'm fairly positive they're all staying in place
3) The stylus response, arguably the most important aspect in a Galaxy Note review, is magnificent. The pressure sensitivity is right on. As an added bonus, the integrated software, S Note, does a great job at capturing the Note's potential for taking notes. Just look up a youtube video of its features. I am currently taking good looking notes at near the speed of pen and paper ( it takes a little practice, as writing on any new medium might, to get precise with it). One thing you may be used to with the Thinkpad is the clicky clacky sound it makes against the tablet screen. The Note's stylus is very quiet.
4) It is a pretty fast tablet. Never have had a problem multitasking or handling large pdf's and a little more. For example; I am taking organic chemistry and I solely rely on the etextbook which is easily a 500 page pdf file. On top of this, I multitask with S Note either to the side or under it, copying information from the text to my note almost seamlessly. Minimal page lag for such a large file. Take note of the hardware - the note has 2GB Ram and a quadcore processor. It is going to be an improvement over the dated thinkpad tablet.
As for quill, I have not tried it yet. However, I have used S Note, Papyrus, and Lecture Notes thus far. S Note is wonderful for all of its features and that it can multitask in the OS. Papyrus has wonderful input, especially for sensing how hard you are pressing down and writing very accurately. But ultimately, S Note does the trick for me right now (Papyrus is missing a few key features at this stage in its development, but try it out if/when you get a Note tablet because it displays some things that the tablet really is capable of doing).
The stylus itself is much smaller than the Thinkpad stylus. Here it is really a matter of preference: to me it feels great in the hand. From what I hear, they sell accessory styli which have some sort of imbedded eraser but I don't know much about this. The Note stylus has a single button which in my opinion is a little bit to easy to accidentally touch, but this doesn't both me. So far the only use I have made of it is to take screenshots.
I should note that I actually prefer using the Note Stylus to navigate through the OS. It allows me a great deal of precision in clicking links that on other tablets I would have first had to pinch and zoom to accurately select. I even like typing with it, as the Note offers a smaller optional keyboard which is just the right size for accurately selecting what you want to type with it.
Like the Thinkpad, there is an integrated silo for putting the stylus in. It fits sleekly in the corner of the device.
As far as Wacom vs N-Trig, what I know is that they are similar technologies. Wacom is a little older, and has the reputation of being further along in its development. Don't discriminate on a tablet because it has one or the other technology - sometimes wacom is better; sometimes n-trig is better. You can't quantify which is better based on their name, but by how well they are implemented in the technology. You can easily say that you want to stay away from a capacitative system on a tablet, but you can't say you want to stay away from either ntrig or wacom because they are basically the same technology (active digitizers), to my understanding.
Lastly I should mention some things you haven't asked about.
- The speakers are some of the best I have found on any similar tablet ( they are front facing)
- The camera quality seems to be pretty much consistent with other competing tablets. Not the best, but not bad at all.
- The screen resolution is something people have griped about, but I think they screen looks beautiful personally. Sure it isn't ipad or tf infinity resolution, but it looks really good to me. On a scale of 1-5, it gets a 4 on the screen to me. Such a minor tradeoff for such accurate stylus recognition.
Above all, do your research before purchasing. As a student and casual artist, it fits my needs - like any technology it is going to make you wish you had something a little more. The Thinkpad let you do things no other android tablet could do at the time when it came out. The same can be said for the Note, but in so much more of a great way.
mt6272 said:
One thing you may be used to with the Thinkpad is the clicky clacky sound it makes against the tablet screen. The Note's stylus is very quiet.
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Hm. Mine is exactly like that -- "clicky clacky." Any of the pen tips depress a little bit if you press on it and it results in that constant clicking sound when using it. Is that normal? It's the only disappointment I've found as the pen on my Note phone is quiet just like you said.
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I also have a Thinkpad Tablet and the SGN10.1.
While satisfied with the TPT and used it alot, the biggest reason I got the SGN was the TPT pen was too painful to use for long periods of time. The loose nib interfered with pressure accuracy and physical feedback and was very noisy.
The TPT tablet N-Trig pen is positionally more accurate than the SGN Wacom pen due to it's technology using direct contact between the pen and screen grid.
But the Wacom uses radio waves, like phased array radar, I think. If you draw lines with a ruler, you'll see distortions near the edges of the screen:
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This is due to the Wacom radio waves being distorted by the metal LCD frame and other electronics. (And also why the other wacom tablets have such wide borders around them.)
Generally, this isn't a problem if you keep your art near the middle of the screen, but you will see the pen 'jump' or swerve in these areas.
(I used to have the Asus EeeSlate (EP121), which was horrible for pen accuracy and latencies. Asus support pointed to Wacom and visa versa. Frustrated, I sold it and got the TPT.)
The SGN comes with 2 types of nibs. The black one has some screen resistance and seems softer, while the white ones glide with little resistance. So, it's nice to have better physical feedback for better hand/eye coordination.
These nibs are smaller and shorter than the standard Wacom pen nibs. Other Pen-Enabled pens will work here, but they have longer nibs and are inaccurate when tilted.
FWIW, benchmarks comparing the Nvidia Tegra-3 with the Samsung Exynos Quad Core are here: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=samsung_odroidx&num=1 The ODROID-X board has the same CPU as the SGN10.1.
(I also have the dual core Exynos and Tegra-2 development boards. The dual core Exynos and Tegra-2 perform about the same, both are 1GHz.)
Overall, I'm happier with the SGN because I'm more comfortable sketching with it.
EDIT: TPT Jumpy Pen - I see this a lot in Sketchbook Pro. It could be an app slowing down the input processes. But I did notice that the SGN cursor will move/update while SBP was choking on short strokes/tiny circles.
EDIT 2: GPS did not work on TPT, but works great on SGN10.1...
I have also a Lenovo TPT and I am only reading about the GN10.1.
For me it seems the only pros for the TPT are:
+ Full USB-Port
+ Full SD-Card Slot
+ Micro USB to connect quick to a PC or other Tablet
+ Micro HDMI out
+ Hardware Buttons (If you get root for fullscreen)
- Pen sometimes not working when palm rested, I need a glove for having no problems
ed.3:
++ Robust and good easy to hold surface on its back
Big pros for GN10.1:
++ Speed CPU
++ Speed GPU
++ Loud Speakers
+ lighter
+ flash
and the rest better or equal with the TPT
(I bet there are even more things, please tell if you know more)
ed.:
GPS works for me with the TPT 3G version, but takes sometimes 3 minutes until the first lock
ed.3: (wifi and 3g off, no support for the gps from there)...
ed.2:
The problems with the Buttons, GPS with wifi only, dust under the screen (at least under mine) are of course big cons for the TPT
and I guess the GN10.1 will be better there, but imo its still to early to say "all works fine" with GN10.1.
j_ambitious said:
Hello all,
I currently work with a Lenovo Thinkpad tablet (for about a year now) and as far as productivity is concerned it is great. The pen helps greatly for marking up drawings, making drawings, photo editing, etc. The problem with this tab however is that it is slow, buggy and poorly constructed. Has anyone compared these two? Here are some of the problems I have with the Thinkpad tablet that I hope were corrected with the the Note 10.1:
1) Start up is slow. 3-5 seconds to let me put in my pink to unlock the tablet.
2) Shoddy Construction. The power button has broken twice.
3) Pen is jumpy. I will be sketching and the pen will just stop writing occasionally and won't start again until I write on a different portion of the screen.
4) Slow. Internet browsing is slow, large PDFs search slowly.
I love and need the pen to work. My TPT was out of commission for 3-4 days and I suffered through it realizing that phones and iPads don't cut it (my wife has an iPad) for productivity. Can any other business professionals (or students) let me know how it's been? Also has anyone tested Quill on it yet? That's my favorite note taking application.
Also are the pens different in any way? Wacom vs active digitizer? This was something I'd always wondered as well, if pens on the upscale windows tabs were different than the one on the Flyer, TPT and now Note 10.1.
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Well, I also have the TPT and I'm already considering selling my ThinkPad. I find everything to be better. That said, I may have gotten a Lenovo Lemon. It's going into repair for the final straw that broke my resolve - the back button fell off and cannot be reattached.
All things considered, I rate the GNote very highly. If you're going to do art on it, that's something I can't help with.
I used Quill, works great. I also tested Lecture Notes, Papayrus Beta, Color Notes, almost any note you can think of. Love the inking, my friend. LOVE it. The feel of the stylus is different, it's true, but I now prefer it. And, it's very quiet when writing.
GNote is light weight, but doesn't feel cheap. Looks good, both colors, tho' I prefer the gray. Speakers ROCK!, and I know you know what I mean, when talking about the TPT. Worst speakers ever there. Camera actually delivers sharp images, even the it's only a 5MP vs. Lenovo's 8MP.
Browsing for me is slow, but that's where I live and the provider I have. It's quite snappy to do all things. I've found no lag or force closes, except from Dolphin. LOL Some things never change.
All I can say is that Samsung did a great job with this tablet. It's no beast, like the TPT. If you drop it I'm sure you'll pay the price, but the screen, resolution, are all comparable. Very happy here.
ETA - GPS works! Less than a second and it was locked. That' Russian add-on, that I can't remember the name of, really works.
Sounds good
My TPT will also go to the repair-centre and if there are still problems I will get rid of it.
Good point with the robustness and i forgot also the "good grip" surface on the back of the TPT.
But with a good case for the Note in future, it will be protected and ready for carrying it to university, school or meeting etc...
(Did you try to get a GPS signal without 3G or Wifi support with the GN10.1? It can download additional data for getting its location quicker..)
There is a new Update on the Lenovo TPT which seems to fix the Pen-Problem.
If that is true I will keep it
( Working fine for its money and got enough connectors)
toenail_flicker said:
Well, I also have the TPT and I'm already considering selling my ThinkPad. I find everything to be better. That said, I may have gotten a Lenovo Lemon. It's going into repair for the final straw that broke my resolve - the back button fell off and cannot be reattached.
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I think the whole line was lemons. And the whole line never was backed with intention of responsive software/Android OS support either. I'm getting ready to sell mine this week because the GNote blows it out of the water in every meaningful way. The only leg the TPT has up on the GNote in my opinion is the full-sized ports, but ultimately there are work-arounds.
As a note of irony, the comparisons of the TPT to the GNote on the Lenovo.com hosted TPT forum have reached the point where the moderators are closing the threads, deleting threads, censoring posts which praise the GNote (without indicating that the moderators edited them), and telling users to talk about it on Samsung's or other vendors forums. The irony is that seems Lenovo's support team is borrowing a page from the Chinese government on information control.
Here's a link to the Lenovo forum for the TPT, but the "subversive" threads have already been deleted. Sigh.
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/bd-p/Thinkpad_slate
JCHP
Ditto, sad that it's come to this. We can't mention the Gnote anymore on that forum.
Guess they realized that it's a lost battle.
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Ditto, sad that it's come to this. We can't mention the Gnote anymore on that forum.
Guess they realized that it's a lost battle.
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Hey, 404. Good to see you here.
I took a screenshot this morning of your post about the "Crackdown," and my response, as I suspected it would be soon deleted. I was right! I was thinking we should start referring to the GNote on that forum as "Tablemort," or "The tablet which must not be named."
JC
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I think the whole line was lemons. And the whole line never was backed with intention of responsive software/Android OS support either.
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How can you that know from only getting feedback from one forum, where not all users are able or want to write less the ones without problems?
What do you know about if and which improvments are made with the newer production versions of the TPT?
I dont know it, and I dont know how to find out.
You?
jchammerpants said:
As a note of irony, the comparisons of the TPT to the GNote on the Lenovo.com hosted TPT forum have reached the point where the moderators are closing the threads, deleting threads, censoring posts which praise the GNote (without indicating that the moderators edited them), and telling users to talk about it on Samsung's or other vendors forums. The irony is that seems Lenovo's support team is borrowing a page from the Chinese government on information control.
Here's a link to the Lenovo forum for the TPT, but the "subversive" threads have already been deleted. Sigh.
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/bd-p/Thinkpad_slate
JCHP
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Yeah, I saw that. Pretty anti free speech. I'm always on the mods nerve, anyway. I'm lucky they haven't banned me. I was on their nerve before the issues started showing up, because of the free speech thing.
splotz said:
How can you that know from only getting feedback from one forum, where not all users are able or want to write less the ones without problems?
What do you know about if and which improvments are made with the newer production versions of the TPT?
I dont know it, and I dont know how to find out.
You?
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Hmmm... you make some interesting points.
But as for me, I still think the whole line was lemons. And the whole line never was backed with intention of responsive software/Android OS support either.
JC
FWIW, I think the only ones who wouldn't think the whole line was lemons, are those who don't own the GN. Once I tried the Note I was shocked at just how bad the TPT experience was.
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FWIW, I think the only ones who wouldn't think the whole line was lemons, are those who don't own the GN. Once I tried the Note I was shocked at just how bad the TPT experience was.
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Did you find out if newer versions are fixed?
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Hey, 404. Good to see you here.
I took a screenshot this morning of your post about the "Crackdown," and my response, as I suspected it would be soon deleted. I was right! I was thinking we should start referring to the GNote on that forum as "Tablemort," or "The tablet which must not be named."
JC
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Haha, I just read that and posted something earlier along those lines. I was totally thinking of Voldemort.
We should post a photo with the TPT on a gravestone.
So I've got my Gnote and I am a happy man. 30 mins to get up and running with all my old apps and dropbox sync.
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Ezpdf is sooo smooth on this device!!!
I'm speechless... This is what the TPT was supposed to be!
Even LectureNotes works smoothly. I was so slow on the TPT!
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FWIW, I think the only ones who wouldn't think the whole line was lemons, are those who don't own the GN. Once I tried the Note I was shocked at just how bad the TPT experience was.
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What he said!!!!:good:
Alright. I've been playing with a Series 5 hybrid for a couple of hours now. This is a quick review with 2 pictures showing both units together (sorry for the grain in the pictures; I'll take better ones with my DSLR once I have more time), since some of the Note 10.1 owners might be interested in this particular model due to the Wacom digitizer and the S-Pen. It costs $649 (Staples is selling it for $599 at the moment).
First of all, the built quality is great. Yes, it has the same polycarbonate back panel as Note 10.1 and it moves little bit if you press on it in the center (which is not part of the typical tablet use scenario), but it feels really solid and not flimsy. Probably little better than Note 10.1, due to the fact that the back is one piece and wraps around the screen nicely and having less plastic parts merging into each other creates less movement and creaks. The full glass front with the integrated speakers on each side works very well.
The Series 5 hybrid is definitely designed for a landscape use. It's too narrow and awkward if you hold it in portrait mode. The thickness is similar to Note 10.1 and it doesn't feel particularly heavier. It comes with a power block (very similar to what you get with laptops), so while traveling, that will add some extra weight.
The stylus is smaller than the one that comes with Note 10.1. (it's slightly chubbier), and it's white. I played with S-Note for a while and it works very similar to what we have on the Note. Palm rejection may not be as accurate as on the Note 10.1, because after writing few sentences, there were 3-4 small lines under my hand where it was resting on the screen.
As for the performance of the Atom, it feels perfectly fine for browsing, e-mail, etc. I haven't noticed any lag while navigating from screen to screen, but when installing programs, moving to something else took a bit extra. It includes a 64GB SSD, but out of the box it has 34GB free. The screen on the Note 10.1 is more brighter compared to Series 5. I would say the resolution is similar in terms of sharpness, pixellation, etc. Since the labels are a lot more smaller in the desktop mode (see below), you can see the pixels in the letters under icons.
Unfortunately, it doesn't come with a preview of Office 2013 that was going to be upgraded to full version when released (this was mentioned for RT devices, but I remember reading it somewhere for the X-86 tablets, as well). It doesn't include Office 2010 either (you have to buy/install it separately). Since office 2010 is not touch optimized, using the stylus is a must. From this aspect, it feels like it was rushed to meet the Windows 8 launch date. This is a mistake on Microsoft's and Samsung's part, because the X86 machines are marketed as "productivity oriented" models as opposed to the Windows RT models, and the lack of touch-optimized Office suite takes away from it significantly. You can use Office 2010 on it without any problems in terms of functionality, but it's not tablet/touch optimized, and you'll definitely need that stylus.
This is my first encounter with Windows 8, so part of the learning curve is due to Windows 8 itself. Although, it's very easy and enjoyable to use it in the tablet mode, I find myself hitting that "Desktop" tile and using it as a "regular" computer. Over time, I'll probably move away from this habit. Once you are at the Desktop, you become aware of what's running in the background and it's a full Windows on a 11.6" screen. I thought the navigation would be a problem without the stylus, but it works OK, even though things look a bit small. After spending few minutes with it, you immediately realize that you're in Windows territory (pop up windows from Norton, security update reminders, restart reminders after installing the updates, etc.).
As of know, it feels more like a "computer" rather than a "tablet" if that makes any sense. Until I spend about a week with both, I won't form any opinions. I wish Office 2013 was included, since it's one of the most important factors for people considering an X-86 based tablet.
Let me know if you have any questions. Once I have some time, I'll make a more detailed side-by-side comparison of both tablets and add some more pictures.
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Thanks, looks cool.
Yeah, I'm gonna wait for these to ripen in the marketplace for 6 months or so before I consider anything seriously. Once I do I will get either a 13.3" or 15" convertible ultrabook, 15" preferred and use it as a true laptop replacement.
As a tablet I would find having the tall skinny portrait mode disturbing I think. I greatly prefer holding my tablet in portrait mode for some reason.
Anyway, hope you enjoy it. So far sounds like you think it's ok but aren't blown away. I think that is the challenge W8 faces. For the premium price, people need to feel blown away. Even though the critics ripped the SGN10.1, users LOVED it and the device was saved, but if users themselves start giving weak reviews of the W8 tablets that will spell big trouble.
Thanks for the mini-review. Do you by chance have Photoshop? I'm curious how the Atom processor handles it.
It's bigger than I thought. I also never thought about what you mentioned in using it in portrait mode. Is Windows S-Note a program in the control panel and are Android and W8 S-Note's compatible? Being able to share my Note's S-Note's via the desktop would be huge for me. Play some HD movies and games on it. I'm curious to see how the new Atom holds up without a discrete GPU. By all means share your experiences. I and I'm sure others are interested.
thanks for the quick thoughts. I'm interested in the series 7 version of the tablet which should be similar but faster than this one.
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thanks for the quick thoughts. I'm interested in the series 7 version of the tablet which should be similar but faster than this one.
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Actually the series 7 (with core i3 /i5 ) isnt the same , it is thicker , larger and have ugly cooling fins at the back (core i5 gets really hot ) and they start at double the price (1500$ for WiFi only core i3 ) and the camera has no flash also
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Thanks, looks cool.
Yeah, I'm gonna wait for these to ripen in the marketplace for 6 months or so before I consider anything seriously. Once I do I will get either a 13.3" or 15" convertible ultrabook, 15" preferred and use it as a true laptop replacement.
As a tablet I would find having the tall skinny portrait mode disturbing I think. I greatly prefer holding my tablet in portrait mode for some reason.
Anyway, hope you enjoy it. So far sounds like you think it's ok but aren't blown away. I think that is the challenge W8 faces. For the premium price, people need to feel blown away. Even though the critics ripped the SGN10.1, users LOVED it and the device was saved, but if users themselves start giving weak reviews of the W8 tablets that will spell big trouble.
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Yeah, I'm not blown away by it, for sure. It seems more and more that I'll be waiting for v2 as well.
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Thanks for the mini-review. Do you by chance have Photoshop? I'm curious how the Atom processor handles it.
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I'll install it later tonight and see what happens, but don't get your hopes up (see below).
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It's bigger than I thought. I also never thought about what you mentioned in using it in portrait mode. Is Windows S-Note a program in the control panel and are Android and W8 S-Note's compatible? Being able to share my Note's S-Note's via the desktop would be huge for me. Play some HD movies and games on it. I'm curious to see how the new Atom holds up without a discrete GPU. By all means share your experiences. I and I'm sure others are interested.
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Yes, it's definitely bigger than I thought as well, especially when you put the Note 10.1 on top of it. I like the overall design of the Series 5 better than the Note 10.1 (more streamlined and clean), but the portrait mode is really awkward. It might be good for taking long notes, but I can't see any other use for it. After reading your post, I tried to find a way to export the notes from the S-Notes, but the only option was jpeg. I'll look into the file structure and try to open them on Note 10.1. The S-Note is a program in the control panel. For some reason, the S-Note feels sluggish. Opening and saving notes take a bit longer than Note 10.1. For instance, the "S-Note tips" file took a while to load, and when opened, moving from page to page was very slow (i.e., "hit the right arrow, wait 2 seconds, page #2 is delivered, and so on for the remaining 5 pages). The exact same file on the Note 10.1 flies. In addition, there's no "page turn animation" on the Windows version.
I haven't played any games other than the Plants vs. Zombies that's included (trial version). By the way, the game played in its own window and there was no way to play it full screen, which was annoying.
One thing that I was really skeptical was the Atom processor, and unfortunately, it interferes with the usage of the tablet often enough to remind you that you are using a device with a slow processor. Just to test it out, while Windows update was running in the background, I started Windows Movie maker and imported 4, 3-4 minute long 720p files from my digital camera. It took a while to add the movies to the "Project" and once a timeline formed, I hit "Play" to preview the movie. The small video playback was stuttering. Then I hit the full screen button on the preview window, it was painful to watch the processor trying to keep up with background installation of updates and ongoing video playback. I tried the same thing without any background processes running; the small preview window was better, but full screen continued to stutter.
I'll keep testing it with some other tasks, but so far it seems underpowered.
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thanks for the quick thoughts. I'm interested in the series 7 version of the tablet which should be similar but faster than this one.
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Based on what I've observed so far, Series 7 might be a better choice for people who wants to have full Windows 8 in a tablet form. It won't be an option for me because of the weight, thickness and the price point. As long as you don't push the processor, Atom works fine for "general" stuff, but anything "extra" shows its shortcomings.
Hey man, really appreciate you going out of your way to give us this comparison, much welcomed
Hope im not out of line in asking, if its possible to get some of the things you've mentioned, on video, if its not a bother that is
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I tried to find a way to export the notes from the S-Notes.
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They're "snb" files (on the Android Samsung Note's). Use Astro or ES Explorer to upload them from your Note to Dropbox and see if the Ativ is able to open, read, and edit them. If it is, and there's a program in Control Panel, we should finally be able to use and edit S-Notes from the Note on a PC. I'm guessing the S-Note for W8 app is on the backup and restore CD. Thanks for the time you're spending on this.
Thanks for your quick review.
I'm considering this tablet.
Can you test some 1080p mkvs with the S Player?
How do other players (vlc,.....) work on this atom processor?
please test adobe illustrator CS5, Thank you very much.
Its has RT version of Windows CS5 or for that any other legacy windows applications will not work on it
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Its has RT version of Windows CS5 or for that any other legacy windows applications will not work on it
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No, it's running full Windows 8, and I already installed Adobe Design and Web Premium CS6.
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They're "snb" files (on the Android Samsung Note's). Use Astro or ES Explorer to upload them from your Note to Dropbox and see if the Ativ is able to open, read, and edit them. If it is, and there's a program in Control Panel, we should finally be able to use and edit S-Notes from the Note on a PC. I'm guessing the S-Note for W8 app is on the backup and restore CD. Thanks for the time you're spending on this.
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I copied one of the .snb files over to the W8 tablet. It's recognized as an S-Note file (the icon is the same), and if I double-tap on it, it attempts to launch the S-Note, but it never passes the "splash screen". If I launch S-Notes, minimize it, and double-tap on the .snb file from Note10.1, it maximizes S-Note, but it doesn't open it. It appears that they are not compatible. Furthermore, sorry for the misinformation; S-Notes is not under the "Uninstall Programs" list in control panel.
It would have been nice to share notes between platforms.
Onenote performance?
tenderidol,
Thank you so much for this comparison (I'm going to hit your thanks button quite a few times, I think ) I want to buy one of these tablets but don't want to decide until I know some more about the Atom performance. So if you have time (you get snowballed with requests, I'm sure) to install Office 2010 and test how OneNote inking performs in a big file (with quite some pictures inserted), a few pdf's open and internet explorer running in the background? I think there are many people interested in whether the Atom will be sufficient for notetaking in big files with some stuff in the background.
BTW, I read on another forum that some people use the extra length in portrait mode for multitasking: one window on top and the other below. Could be useful for copying-pasting things from internet explorer to notes. I think I would prefer 16:10 though.
I have an issue not offence ment to anyone but this forum is for Note and lately all I the post I see are about W8 tablets and nexus 10 to an extent we have reviews of W8 tablets being posted. Need the focus back
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I have an issue not offence ment to anyone but this forum is for Note and lately all I the post I see are about W8 tablets and nexus 10 to an extent we have reviews of W8 tablets being posted. Need the focus back
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Non taken. However, this thread is targeted towards people who currently own Note 10.1 and are -or may be- interested in the Ativ Smart PC due to its stylus, S-Pen and the productivity aspect of it that may not be present in Note 10.1 (e.g., full Office suite, legacy Windows programs, additional ports, etc). The way both tablets are designed, I won't be surprised if most people end up owning both for different purposes. No offense, but the content of these threads are very clear with their titles, and anyone who is not interested about the products being discussed can easily avoid them.
lord69 said:
Thanks for your quick review.
I'm considering this tablet.
Can you test some 1080p mkvs with the S Player?
How do other players (vlc,.....) work on this atom processor?
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I made some mkv movies and played them on the W8 tablet. S-Player did not open the file (it said it was unsupported). Cyberlink Power DVD (non-full, "light" edition) is pre-installed and played the movies perfectly fine without any stutter, sync issues or degradation in audio and/or video performance. Actually, I just played them from the USB stick without transferring to the internal memory. I installed VLC Media Player, and the movies were played without an issue with VLC player, too. I didn't try any other media players. Just to make it clear, I created the movies from my Blu-ray discs using MakeMKV without changing any settings.
As for the other requests, I'll try to answer everything. I already installed the Adobe Suite and will report back on the performance of Photoshop, Illustrator and Dreamweaver, soon. The next will be Office 2010 w/ OneNote (the pre-installed trial doesn't contain OneNote, so I need instal my own copy).
Again did not mean to offend you or anyone nor do i find it offending or bad its I feel that it would help in two ways there would many on this site who would want to know your review on Ativ and if you created a category they would have been able to do the same over here your audience is only limited to note owners secondly as a note owner I come to this thread to get information specific to note and if do others will start doing so and start posting reviews. Let me just give an example if everyone post about each and every tablet in market you will not find a post of not in pages and hence I feel its does not help.
Personally I like what you are doing because I would believe your review then that done by various so called tech sites as they are biased
Hope you understand the point i am trying to make and again this my personal feeling and I am expressing it and in no way forcing it on anyone
Thanks for all the great impressions! Sounds like the atom based unit is a little underpowered. Do you have any comics? I read those a lot on my note in portrait mode and wonder how they would look on the extra long portrait mode of the series 5.
After a long and happy life, I decided it was about time to upgrade my old Acer Iconia A700, and decided on a factory refirb Note Pro 12.2. Very happy with that decision.
I took delivery on Wednesday evening and have been playing around with it for a couple of days now. Very happy with it. Traveling out of town with it and very happy with the battery life. Sat in bed this morning for about 2 1/2 hours reading various news feeds and casual social media consumption and was only down to 81% battery.
Have a Moko Smart-Shell case on order from Amazon that should be waiting on me when I get home tomorrow - will post pics and my impressions in the Accessories forum.
My Best,
Eric "GuitarEC"
guitarec said:
After a long and happy life, I decided it was about time to upgrade my old Acer Iconia A700, and decided on a factory refirb Note Pro 12.2. Very happy with that decision.
I took delivery on Wednesday evening and have been playing around with it for a couple of days now. Very happy with it. Traveling out of town with it and very happy with the battery life. Sat in bed this morning for about 2 1/2 hours reading various news feeds and casual social media consumption and was only down to 81% battery.
Have a Moko Smart-Shell case on order from Amazon that should be waiting on me when I get home tomorrow - will post pics and my impressions in the Accessories forum.
My Best,
Eric "GuitarEC"
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Congrats to ya! It's always exciting when we all get new toys lol. I picked mine up 2 days ago and so far so good. I had the very first note 10.1 wifi only and wow what a huge difference between the two.
I just ordered from one and I'm still waiting for it to ship. I lol I'm so anxious to get it I'm trying to decide if I should root it or not. Don't want to loose warranty. I had the option of used or refurbrished so I choose used In mint condition.
how was your experience with the refurbrished unit?
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Just picked up my NotePRO (P900) today too, still haven't fully set up everything. But I definitely can say it's one of the best screens I have ever seen on computers/tablets. The problem is, now I am see all the pixelation in my movies, and will have to go back and download the FHD versions
Another rant I have is the on-screen keyboard. It's fine in portrait mode. But in landscape mode, it's way too big because it still taking of the full width of the large screen. It's so bad to the point that it looks retarded. The Google Keyboard is even worse than the Samsung one. I wish that there is a way to shrink the keyboard size in landscape.
I also am not rooting it, at least not within my 14-day return period. It sucks that we can't root without voiding Knox warranty. A really, really bad move of Samsung in my opinion. The big selling point of Android being open compared to Apple iOS is being tarnished by this stupid Knox e-fuse.
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Just picked up my NotePRO (P900) today too, still haven't fully set up everything. But I definitely can say it's one of the best screens I have ever seen on computers/tablets. The problem is, now I am see all the pixelation in my movies, and will have to go back and download the FHD versions
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Hahahhaa, I know this problem all too well! xD Went from 5 shows in 10GB to 19GB for just one show! And it only has 9(+1) episodes so far! >.< :laugh:
Another rant I have is the on-screen keyboard. It's fine in portrait mode. But in landscape mode, it's way too big because it still taking of the full width of the large screen. It's so bad to the point that it looks retarded. The Google Keyboard is even worse than the Samsung one. I wish that there is a way to shrink the keyboard size in landscape.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.touchtype.swiftkey
Set it to compact, Undock it, adjust the size, place it wherever you want and you can use it with one hand even. (Or Thumb setting, which splits it).
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.touchtype.swiftkey
Set it to compact, Undock it, adjust the size, place it wherever you want and you can use it with one hand even. (Or Thumb setting, which splits it).
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Thanks! I'll give SwiftKey a try.
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I just ordered from one and I'm still waiting for it to ship. I lol I'm so anxious to get it I'm trying to decide if I should root it or not. Don't want to loose warranty. I had the option of used or refurbrished so I choose used In mint condition.
how was your experience with the refurbrished unit?
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I'm extremely pleased with it. The eBay auction indicated there could be an identifying mark on the case to show it as a refurbished unit, but I surely can't find one. There was a VERY light abrasion mark on the plastic "leatherized" back, but it's nearly imperceptible. And considering that mark is now covered up by the Moko Smart-shell case I got for it, it's not even a concern (not that it was to begin with).
I also use SwiftKey on my tablet (and all my android devices). It's a great keyboard, and one of the best I've used.
As far as rooting, I'm still weighing the options. I haven't run into any compelling reason to root, other than some applications I'd like to have there (Titanium Backup, XPosed Framework, etc.).
I did decide that I was not liking Samsungs launcher, so I put Nova on it, and have been very pleased with it.
All my best,
Eric "GuitarEC"
I didn't like SwiftKey at all, for what I wanted to do, which is to type with 10-fingers and both hands like on a real keyboard (not thumb typing).
First, it shifts the bottom row of the letter keys, which makes it impossible to type naturally as a real keyboard.
Second, it still occupies the entire width in the landscape mode for a full size keyboard. Adjusting the size of the keys only make them shorter, not narrower.
The two other options are split (thumb) layout, and compact (phone size) layout. Neither are for typing with 10-fingers.
Ideally, what I want is stock keyboard from portrait mode, in the exactly same size, used in landscape.
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I didn't like SwiftKey at all, for what I wanted to do, which is to type with 10-fingers and both hands like on a real keyboard (not thumb typing).
First, it shifts the bottom row of the letter keys, which makes it impossible to type naturally as a real keyboard.
Second, it still occupies the entire width in the landscape mode for a full size keyboard. Adjusting the size of the keys only make them shorter, not narrower.
The two other options are split (thumb) layout, and compact (phone size) layout. Neither are for typing with 10-fingers.
Ideally, what I want is stock keyboard from portrait mode, in the exactly same size, used in landscape.
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You do realize when put in landscape mode it is almost the exact size of a real keyboard on a 17" laptop? That actually makes it easier for typing a lot.
As for it shifting the bottom row, no it doesn't...
But everyone has their own preferences. In truth a lot isn't thought out well for 12.2" in landscape. (Apps tend to be horrible, some don't even have landscape mode.)
Try this one (The Tablet variant of A.I. Type Keyboard). https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aitype.android.tablet
It allows you to resize the compact mode to your liking by holding the resize button and dragging it. It's not perfect, but it's another option, at least. Has themes to make it look more like stock, if you prefer.
I always felt that something was different about swiftkey in landscape but didn't bother to compare against samsung keyboard until today due to this thread.
The keys are shifted The lack of shift on the bottom row is the worst part. Swiftkey on top, Samsung stock on bottom.
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I always felt that something was different about swiftkey in landscape but didn't bother to compare against samsung keyboard until today due to this thread.
The keys are shifted The lack of shift on the bottom row is the worst part. Swiftkey on top, Samsung stock on bottom.
That said, I can't type worth a darn on any of them LOL!
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Lack of shift? Uh, it's on the left? The up arrow? And twice tapping shift is capslock. (In most keyboards, actually).
Also, you can change the keys, layout, rows and sizes... Did you bother to look in the settings? Since when does anyone on Android use the default settings?
Because mine looks like this. (Yes, the number row is also a setting.)
And another excellent keyboard, but one you can't make thinner (just higher), is Hacker's Keyboard. As a writer, this is my go-to keyboard if I need to type more than 150 words. Why? Because I can turn off that stupid suggestionbar, it has a great many more keys, and it just works better than any other I ran into. Give it a try, it's free anyway. (Originally meant for coding, so meant for lots of typing.)
I've tried stock. It's rubbish if you write more than 4 pages.
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Lack of shift? Uh, it's on the left? The up arrow? And twice tapping shift is capslock. (In most keyboards, actually).
Also, you can change the keys, layout, rows and sizes... Did you bother to look in the settings? Since when does anyone on Android use the default settings?
Because mine looks like this. (Yes, the number row is also a setting.)
And another excellent keyboard, but one you can't make thinner (just higher), is Hacker's Keyboard. As a writer, this is my go-to keyboard if I need to type more than 150 words. Why? Because I can turn off that stupid suggestionbar, it has a great many more keys, and it just works better than any other I ran into. Give it a try, it's free anyway. (Originally meant for coding, so meant for lots of typing.)
I've tried stock. It's rubbish if you write more than 4 pages.
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Im going to get a Bluetooth keyboard anyway. I want to see the whole screen when I type. Was looking at this one. You guys have any suggestions ?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B009JPBPWO/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1FI0UQKWOQSYG&coliid=I3TVB1N08LP7GL
Also , have any of you rooted your devices ?
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Im going to get a Bluetooth keyboard anyway. I want to see the whole screen when I type. Was looking at this one. You guys have any suggestions ?
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Tried that one for a day, returned it.
The bulge makes it near impossible to properly store in a bag or sleeve. especially with the case it's almost 3cm thick.
It's relatively heavy.
It uses 4 AAA batteries that last about 8 hours. (more weight, yay..)
And it has a sticky-key problem.
Although price wise it's a decent enough deal. You can't expect top-notch for that price these days. (I remember when keyboard + Mouse combos with good quality and dedicated keys you could seriously game with were 15 quid, where did those days go?)
I've got this one, but it's 90-100 quid: http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/bluetooth-illuminated-keyboard-k810?crid=26
It's got illuminated keys, rechargable battery that lasts several months with intensive use, off switch, is the exact width of the tablet (useful if you use a sleeve like me) and it pairs to three bluetooth devices at once so you can switch with the press of a button. Although the downside for some might be that it's almost flat, so it doesn't have an angle. (If you're a laptop user, you'll probably not mind.)
But the price is a bit steep if you're not looking for something to write entire novels on or to last years with. I bought it so I could use it for a long time and a lot.
Another alternative is the Logitech sleeve. (Which is even more expensive). http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/pro?crid=1242 Samsung has one too, but it's less well thought out.
Or, if you intend the leave the keyboard in one spot, you can consider a USB OTG adapter. The Logitech Unifiers work with the tab, so you can pair any Unifier-enabled Keyboard&mouse to the little thing and use that with your tab. This is a thing to consider, as some of the tabs (The p900 seems to be the most common) has issues with Bluetooth+WiFi. http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-pro-12/help/wifi-disconnects-bluetooth-device-t2851406 And it enables you to get a decent mouse (those Bluetooth ones are so tiny...) for using with it as well. (I love using my M705 with it.)
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Lack of shift? Uh, it's on the left? The up arrow? And twice tapping shift is capslock. (In most keyboards, actually).
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Shift as in the alignment of the F and C keys in the default layout, not shift as in the shift key.
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Also, you can change the keys, layout, rows and sizes... Did you bother to look in the settings? Since when does anyone on Android use the default settings?
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Response was in terms of the previous person's comment about the improper alignment of the bottom row, so no . . I didn't . . clearly he/she did not either . . to be honest I gave Swiftkey a revisit with the note pro months ago and wrote it off since it had issues with multi-window at the time.
I'll test out the other suggested keyboard, thanks for those suggestions!
BTW what's with the snarky replies?
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Shift as in the alignment of the F and C keys in the default layout, not shift as in the shift key.
Response was in terms of the previous person's comment about the improper alignment of the bottom row, so no . . I didn't . . clearly he/she did not either . . to be honest I gave Swiftkey a revisit with the note pro months ago and wrote it off since it had issues with multi-window at the time.
I'll test out the other suggested keyboard, thanks for those suggestions!
BTW what's with the snarky replies?
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Why do people constantly assume it's meant to be snarky? It's not! That's your own perception...
Honestly people, I don't do adapting to other people's views on how I should be according to their perception of behavior, (It's called Aspergers.) don't assume me to fit into such. It's a fatal mistake.
It still has issues with Multiwindow. Most keyboards do, Samsung did something to make it near-impossible to implement into 3rd party keyboards. Which is irritating, because the stock keyboard has zero modification options.
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Tried that one for a day, returned it.
The bulge makes it near impossible to properly store in a bag or sleeve. especially with the case it's almost 3cm thick.
It's relatively heavy.
It uses 4 AAA batteries that last about 8 hours. (more weight, yay..)
And it has a sticky-key problem.
Although price wise it's a decent enough deal. You can't expect top-notch for that price these days. (I remember when keyboard + Mouse combos with good quality and dedicated keys you could seriously game with were 15 quid, where did those days go?)
I've got this one, but it's 90-100 quid: http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/bluetooth-illuminated-keyboard-k810?crid=26
It's got illuminated keys, rechargable battery that lasts several months with intensive use, off switch, is the exact width of the tablet (useful if you use a sleeve like me) and it pairs to three bluetooth devices at once so you can switch with the press of a button. Although the downside for some might be that it's almost flat, so it doesn't have an angle. (If you're a laptop user, you'll probably not mind.)
But the price is a bit steep if you're not looking for something to write entire novels on or to last years with. I bought it so I could use it for a long time and a lot.
Another alternative is the Logitech sleeve. (Which is even more expensive). http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/product/pro?crid=1242 Samsung has one too, but it's less well thought out.
Or, if you intend the leave the keyboard in one spot, you can consider a USB OTG adapter. The Logitech Unifiers work with the tab, so you can pair any Unifier-enabled Keyboard&mouse to the little thing and use that with your tab. This is a thing to consider, as some of the tabs (The p900 seems to be the most common) has issues with Bluetooth+WiFi. http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-pro-12/help/wifi-disconnects-bluetooth-device-t2851406 And it enables you to get a decent mouse (those Bluetooth ones are so tiny...) for using with it as well. (I love using my M705 with it.)
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Im going to get the K810 , I really didn't want to spend that kind of money on a keyboard but it seems its really good and will suit my needs. Thanks you have been very helpful in answering all my questions.
I find that SwiftKey provides the best for me for short bursts (like forum replies), but if I have to do any serious writing, I'll break out the Bluetooth keyboard and get it done.
Just my personal preference, and it's important to find the solution that works best for you and your circumstances.
My best,
Eric "GuitarEC"
Just posted my impressions of the Moko Smart-Shell Case I bought and use with my Galaxy Note in the Accessories forum - if anyone was interested or curious.
My best,
Eric "GuitarEC"
Thanks for this thread also been having issues getting the right feel for a keyboard in landscape mode. I tried swiftkey, wasn't too keen but might try it again and undock it as recommended by ShadowLea and will also try the Hacker's keyboard. Up until now I have been using Swype Keyboard and seems to have worked well so far as it's not too large in landscap mode when compared with stock and Swiftkey.
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ikeny said:
Just picked up my NotePRO (P900) today too, still haven't fully set up everything. But I definitely can say it's one of the best screens I have ever seen on computers/tablets. The problem is, now I am see all the pixelation in my movies, and will have to go back and download the FHD versions
Another rant I have is the on-screen keyboard. It's fine in portrait mode. But in landscape mode, it's way too big because it still taking of the full width of the large screen. It's so bad to the point that it looks retarded. The Google Keyboard is even worse than the Samsung one. I wish that there is a way to shrink the keyboard size in landscape.
I also am not rooting it, at least not within my 14-day return period. It sucks that we can't root without voiding Knox warranty. A really, really bad move of Samsung in my opinion. The big selling point of Android being open compared to Apple iOS is being tarnished by this stupid Knox e-fuse.
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I rooted mine and so far I'm not seeing any issues. Using towel root was super simple and it didn't trip knox.