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[SOLVED] Why on hell nobody talking about this crap keyboard quality ?

Hi,
I've just get a confirmation by other members that the dock keyboard is not well suited for fast typing ! I'm really amazed that nobody in eeepad forums (I googled them all) is talking about this problem, which is really an issue for a >100 $ keyboard ! Am I the only one to consider this keyboard as a kind of toy ?
Do this experience : if you type a key not right in the center, but on the side, you will find a place when the key is pressed and we can hear it, but nothing appears on the screen ! An it's really near from the center of the key ! Do this experience with any keyboard laptop, and the key responds, no matter where you press it.
So buyers, beware, if you are a quick typer, this keyboard is a kind of joke for me... But an expensive one !
Cheers !
Update for people reading this thread, see page 5 for more explanation :
ok guys, following constructive advice of some of you, I did an rma, and try another one eeepad... I must admit that I got a lemon, the dock keyboard I have right now is acceptable, i'm typing at 90% of my full speed, but anyway, it responds far better than the one I had.
I had a defective keyboard unit.
To test if your keyboard is ok, do this simple test :
1. open Polaris
2. hit a key on the center : it must work
3. hit at the middle right of the key : it must work
4. hit the key almost at the end (right) of the key : it must work
The same for the left. If 3 and 4 doesn't work very well, the mechanic of your keyboard is bad : change it.

It sounds to me you are simply not typing in the right way..or you may have a defect unit
I can type on my TF keyboard just as fast as on my laptop.
And expensive? really? for 50 quid (with bundle)? most laptop battery alone will cost the same.

Yeah I dont really have problems typing on mine either. It takes a little time to get used to its size though

I'm typing for almost 20 years, I'm around 55 words per minute, and I'm a well trained typer... I don't think that I'm typing in the wrong way for a very simple reason :
- I've got a bunch of laptops, used a lot of keyboards (probably dozens), and never meet this kind of problem, and one day ; I try the eeepad dock keyboard, and it seems that I have to learn a new way of typing ? Why ? Because if you don't type a key right in the center, but sometimes with a kind of angle and not centered, the key does not respond. Hell, make the test ! And try with any other laptop keyboard ! Taste the difference.
I think it's ok for two finger typers, or quick typer who hit hard on the keyboard, but my style is more kind of hit-light-and-fast typer, and anyway I've got a confirmation of two other members that there is a typing problem.
But the thing which is the most amazing is that it seems that I'm the first one to notice the problem, it seems that a lot of us are happy with this keyboard... Probably it can be the case for not-so-fast-typers, but for quick typers, it's like to get back again with an old car when you are used to go in Porsche.
So my advice, if you are a quick typer, go... go away... from this keyboard... poor fool...

I haven't had too many issues... I will say the keys need a solid press in some instances though.

altsyst said:
So my advice, if you are a quick typer, go... go away... from this keyboard... poor fool...
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I'm a 50+ wpm typer as well. I've had zero issues with mine (apart from a dead W key). Maybe you should take a look at your own issue. Why are you the only one complaining about this? I got a defective unit with a W key that wouldn't work no matter how hard, soft, fast, or slow you pressed it. You may have a defective unit as well.

You have to ensure that you press keys all the way down. But, if I do that I have no specific issues with the keyboard. But the Asus keyboard suffers from the same issues I see in many small laptop/netbook keyboards, namely the keys are too flat and the travel is too short. I guess they do this to save space, but it makes me long for a full size keyboard.

I type around 50-60 words per minute myself and, since the OTA, haven't had any major issues with the dock keyboard. I'm a little slower on it, just like I'm a little slower on my netbook, but that's to be expected.
IMHO, either you've got a bad dock or you're doing something wrong.

alexk1781 said:
IMHO, either you've got a bad dock or you're doing something wrong.
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I love the keyboard and the feeling when typing is fantastic. Sounds like you got a lemon.

Mine has been fine. Just to note its not a $150 keyboard. That includes the battery, dock, SD reader, charger and USB host functions.

I'm also a pretty fast and light typist....and the keyboard feels like you have to hit it with a hammer to get it to register key strokes....just a little bit to the side of a key and it doesn't do anything.

I noticed slow response from dock keyboard while I'm typing in google stocked browser. At the other hand Opera is working flawlessly. Other apps, stocked and 3rd party are working fine (ie: mail, gmail app etc)

As a macbook pro owner ican tell you the keyboard is fine. It is the nature of chiclet style keys that makes it feeldifferent. With time you get used to it and also keys soften a bit too.
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I own a variety of Thinkpads from the small X series to larger W. They are acknowledged as having the best laptop keyboards and I've had no problems using the Transformer keyboard instead.
Now if you were complaining about the battery drain the dock induces, I could agree with you!

I'm finding the keyboard fine to type on but its not much different from my netbook or even my 14inch work laptop. It takes time moving to the smaller layout but thats just down to practise.

I haven't had any issues outside of the software lag. I type at 70-75 wpm, but (then again) I'll admit I haven't used it for anything that would require a ton of typing to really condign recognize if there were issues.
You sparked my interest now. I am going to test and see if I have any issues.
I will say that, outside of typing, there are so many benefits to the keyboard dock that I still feel it is worth it one way our the other.
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rpavich said:
I'm also a pretty fast and light typist....and the keyboard feels like you have to hit it with a hammer to get it to register key strokes....just a little bit to the side of a key and it doesn't do anything.
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Exactly !! Nobody has noticed that ??? Maybe it's due to the type of typist you are ? But it seems that for fast and light typist, it's an issue... For fast and hard typist, it's not... And when I'm typing, I'm not typing always right in the center of the key, but a little bit to the side, and this is why I found that typing on this dock is a problem for me...

Canadoc said:
As a macbook pro owner ican tell you the keyboard is fine. It is the nature of chiclet style keys that makes it feeldifferent. With time you get used to it and also keys soften a bit too.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
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Thanks for the info...good to know. this is my first chicklet keyboard.

Canadoc said:
As a macbook pro owner ican tell you the keyboard is fine. It is the nature of chiclet style keys that makes it feeldifferent. With time you get used to it and also keys soften a bit too.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk
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It definitely has the same feel as a MacBook. I have never been a huge fan of these flat keys with limited travel. But, as long as people want thin devices we will keep getting them.

You're doing it wrong.

Galaxy Note 10.1 vs Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet

Hello all,
I currently work with a Lenovo Thinkpad tablet (for about a year now) and as far as productivity is concerned it is great. The pen helps greatly for marking up drawings, making drawings, photo editing, etc. The problem with this tab however is that it is slow, buggy and poorly constructed. Has anyone compared these two? Here are some of the problems I have with the Thinkpad tablet that I hope were corrected with the the Note 10.1:
1) Start up is slow. 3-5 seconds to let me put in my pink to unlock the tablet.
2) Shoddy Construction. The power button has broken twice.
3) Pen is jumpy. I will be sketching and the pen will just stop writing occasionally and won't start again until I write on a different portion of the screen.
4) Slow. Internet browsing is slow, large PDFs search slowly.
I love and need the pen to work. My TPT was out of commission for 3-4 days and I suffered through it realizing that phones and iPads don't cut it (my wife has an iPad) for productivity. Can any other business professionals (or students) let me know how it's been? Also has anyone tested Quill on it yet? That's my favorite note taking application.
Also are the pens different in any way? Wacom vs active digitizer? This was something I'd always wondered as well, if pens on the upscale windows tabs were different than the one on the Flyer, TPT and now Note 10.1.

Well the tablet is not slow by any means and the pen is not jumpy and it seems pretty well constructed no screen bleed or creaking anywhere. You should get one from amazon or best buy to try out and if you don't like it just return it. Can't answer your question about the digitizer though I have no idea. But it works well for what it is.
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j_ambitious said:
1) Start up is slow. 3-5 seconds to let me put in my pink to unlock the tablet.
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I came from an OG G-Tab 10.1. All the original Teg2 tablets were slow. I'm not sure if you mean boot time or time for the lock screen to display after you hit the power button when the device is sleeping. If it's the latter it's pretty much instantaneous. From pressing restart until the lock screen appeared took 42 seconds.
2) Shoddy Construction. The power button has broken twice.
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Samsung tablets are built like tanks. There's a thread showing the Note torn down. You'll see its pretty well put together.
3) Pen is jumpy. I will be sketching and the pen will just stop writing occasionally and won't start again until I write on a different portion of the screen.
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All other Anroid tablets have capacitive displays. The Note is inductive with a Wacom digitizer and palm rejection. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
4) Slow. Internet browsing is slow, large PDFs search slowly.
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Coming from a Teg2 device you'll be blown away. The browsing experience is near desktop quality.

I am a former Lenovo Thinkpad owner - after my first android tablet experience on the transformer prime, I found that the capacitative stylus allowed me nowhere near the amount of precision that I would be allowed with an active digitizer. Thus, I made the switch to the Lenovo Thinkpad based on the android community consensus that although the tablet didn't offer much, it did offer decent handwriting input via the integrated n-trig system. However, I soon got rid of it because I ran into many of the same problems you did. Having heard the news that a new tablet with an active digitizer was released, the Galaxy Note 10.1, I sprung $500 for it 3 days ago - the difference between the Thinkpad and the Note is night and day in all aspects. If you are on the fence, give it a try. I got mine at best buy knowing that they offer 30 day returns. Right now it is looking like I am keeping it.
You seem to have about all of the questions that I have had on my road to the Note; I'll try to answer them as best I can keeping in mind you are a thinkpad owner.
1) Start-up is FAST. Reboots are no problem. Unlocking the screen is quick as any modern android device.
2) This thing is beautifully constructed - slim and sexy. The Thinkpad is so bulky to me. You won't be replacing any parts on the Note - I'm fairly positive they're all staying in place
3) The stylus response, arguably the most important aspect in a Galaxy Note review, is magnificent. The pressure sensitivity is right on. As an added bonus, the integrated software, S Note, does a great job at capturing the Note's potential for taking notes. Just look up a youtube video of its features. I am currently taking good looking notes at near the speed of pen and paper ( it takes a little practice, as writing on any new medium might, to get precise with it). One thing you may be used to with the Thinkpad is the clicky clacky sound it makes against the tablet screen. The Note's stylus is very quiet.
4) It is a pretty fast tablet. Never have had a problem multitasking or handling large pdf's and a little more. For example; I am taking organic chemistry and I solely rely on the etextbook which is easily a 500 page pdf file. On top of this, I multitask with S Note either to the side or under it, copying information from the text to my note almost seamlessly. Minimal page lag for such a large file. Take note of the hardware - the note has 2GB Ram and a quadcore processor. It is going to be an improvement over the dated thinkpad tablet.
As for quill, I have not tried it yet. However, I have used S Note, Papyrus, and Lecture Notes thus far. S Note is wonderful for all of its features and that it can multitask in the OS. Papyrus has wonderful input, especially for sensing how hard you are pressing down and writing very accurately. But ultimately, S Note does the trick for me right now (Papyrus is missing a few key features at this stage in its development, but try it out if/when you get a Note tablet because it displays some things that the tablet really is capable of doing).
The stylus itself is much smaller than the Thinkpad stylus. Here it is really a matter of preference: to me it feels great in the hand. From what I hear, they sell accessory styli which have some sort of imbedded eraser but I don't know much about this. The Note stylus has a single button which in my opinion is a little bit to easy to accidentally touch, but this doesn't both me. So far the only use I have made of it is to take screenshots.
I should note that I actually prefer using the Note Stylus to navigate through the OS. It allows me a great deal of precision in clicking links that on other tablets I would have first had to pinch and zoom to accurately select. I even like typing with it, as the Note offers a smaller optional keyboard which is just the right size for accurately selecting what you want to type with it.
Like the Thinkpad, there is an integrated silo for putting the stylus in. It fits sleekly in the corner of the device.
As far as Wacom vs N-Trig, what I know is that they are similar technologies. Wacom is a little older, and has the reputation of being further along in its development. Don't discriminate on a tablet because it has one or the other technology - sometimes wacom is better; sometimes n-trig is better. You can't quantify which is better based on their name, but by how well they are implemented in the technology. You can easily say that you want to stay away from a capacitative system on a tablet, but you can't say you want to stay away from either ntrig or wacom because they are basically the same technology (active digitizers), to my understanding.
Lastly I should mention some things you haven't asked about.
- The speakers are some of the best I have found on any similar tablet ( they are front facing)
- The camera quality seems to be pretty much consistent with other competing tablets. Not the best, but not bad at all.
- The screen resolution is something people have griped about, but I think they screen looks beautiful personally. Sure it isn't ipad or tf infinity resolution, but it looks really good to me. On a scale of 1-5, it gets a 4 on the screen to me. Such a minor tradeoff for such accurate stylus recognition.
Above all, do your research before purchasing. As a student and casual artist, it fits my needs - like any technology it is going to make you wish you had something a little more. The Thinkpad let you do things no other android tablet could do at the time when it came out. The same can be said for the Note, but in so much more of a great way.

mt6272 said:
One thing you may be used to with the Thinkpad is the clicky clacky sound it makes against the tablet screen. The Note's stylus is very quiet.
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Hm. Mine is exactly like that -- "clicky clacky." Any of the pen tips depress a little bit if you press on it and it results in that constant clicking sound when using it. Is that normal? It's the only disappointment I've found as the pen on my Note phone is quiet just like you said.
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I also have a Thinkpad Tablet and the SGN10.1.
While satisfied with the TPT and used it alot, the biggest reason I got the SGN was the TPT pen was too painful to use for long periods of time. The loose nib interfered with pressure accuracy and physical feedback and was very noisy.
The TPT tablet N-Trig pen is positionally more accurate than the SGN Wacom pen due to it's technology using direct contact between the pen and screen grid.
But the Wacom uses radio waves, like phased array radar, I think. If you draw lines with a ruler, you'll see distortions near the edges of the screen:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
This is due to the Wacom radio waves being distorted by the metal LCD frame and other electronics. (And also why the other wacom tablets have such wide borders around them.)
Generally, this isn't a problem if you keep your art near the middle of the screen, but you will see the pen 'jump' or swerve in these areas.
(I used to have the Asus EeeSlate (EP121), which was horrible for pen accuracy and latencies. Asus support pointed to Wacom and visa versa. Frustrated, I sold it and got the TPT.)
The SGN comes with 2 types of nibs. The black one has some screen resistance and seems softer, while the white ones glide with little resistance. So, it's nice to have better physical feedback for better hand/eye coordination.
These nibs are smaller and shorter than the standard Wacom pen nibs. Other Pen-Enabled pens will work here, but they have longer nibs and are inaccurate when tilted.
FWIW, benchmarks comparing the Nvidia Tegra-3 with the Samsung Exynos Quad Core are here: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=samsung_odroidx&num=1 The ODROID-X board has the same CPU as the SGN10.1.
(I also have the dual core Exynos and Tegra-2 development boards. The dual core Exynos and Tegra-2 perform about the same, both are 1GHz.)
Overall, I'm happier with the SGN because I'm more comfortable sketching with it.
EDIT: TPT Jumpy Pen - I see this a lot in Sketchbook Pro. It could be an app slowing down the input processes. But I did notice that the SGN cursor will move/update while SBP was choking on short strokes/tiny circles.
EDIT 2: GPS did not work on TPT, but works great on SGN10.1...

I have also a Lenovo TPT and I am only reading about the GN10.1.
For me it seems the only pros for the TPT are:
+ Full USB-Port
+ Full SD-Card Slot
+ Micro USB to connect quick to a PC or other Tablet
+ Micro HDMI out
+ Hardware Buttons (If you get root for fullscreen)
- Pen sometimes not working when palm rested, I need a glove for having no problems
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++ Robust and good easy to hold surface on its back
Big pros for GN10.1:
++ Speed CPU
++ Speed GPU
++ Loud Speakers
+ lighter
+ flash
and the rest better or equal with the TPT
(I bet there are even more things, please tell if you know more)
ed.:
GPS works for me with the TPT 3G version, but takes sometimes 3 minutes until the first lock
ed.3: (wifi and 3g off, no support for the gps from there)...
ed.2:
The problems with the Buttons, GPS with wifi only, dust under the screen (at least under mine) are of course big cons for the TPT
and I guess the GN10.1 will be better there, but imo its still to early to say "all works fine" with GN10.1.

j_ambitious said:
Hello all,
I currently work with a Lenovo Thinkpad tablet (for about a year now) and as far as productivity is concerned it is great. The pen helps greatly for marking up drawings, making drawings, photo editing, etc. The problem with this tab however is that it is slow, buggy and poorly constructed. Has anyone compared these two? Here are some of the problems I have with the Thinkpad tablet that I hope were corrected with the the Note 10.1:
1) Start up is slow. 3-5 seconds to let me put in my pink to unlock the tablet.
2) Shoddy Construction. The power button has broken twice.
3) Pen is jumpy. I will be sketching and the pen will just stop writing occasionally and won't start again until I write on a different portion of the screen.
4) Slow. Internet browsing is slow, large PDFs search slowly.
I love and need the pen to work. My TPT was out of commission for 3-4 days and I suffered through it realizing that phones and iPads don't cut it (my wife has an iPad) for productivity. Can any other business professionals (or students) let me know how it's been? Also has anyone tested Quill on it yet? That's my favorite note taking application.
Also are the pens different in any way? Wacom vs active digitizer? This was something I'd always wondered as well, if pens on the upscale windows tabs were different than the one on the Flyer, TPT and now Note 10.1.
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Well, I also have the TPT and I'm already considering selling my ThinkPad. I find everything to be better. That said, I may have gotten a Lenovo Lemon. It's going into repair for the final straw that broke my resolve - the back button fell off and cannot be reattached.
All things considered, I rate the GNote very highly. If you're going to do art on it, that's something I can't help with.
I used Quill, works great. I also tested Lecture Notes, Papayrus Beta, Color Notes, almost any note you can think of. Love the inking, my friend. LOVE it. The feel of the stylus is different, it's true, but I now prefer it. And, it's very quiet when writing.
GNote is light weight, but doesn't feel cheap. Looks good, both colors, tho' I prefer the gray. Speakers ROCK!, and I know you know what I mean, when talking about the TPT. Worst speakers ever there. Camera actually delivers sharp images, even the it's only a 5MP vs. Lenovo's 8MP.
Browsing for me is slow, but that's where I live and the provider I have. It's quite snappy to do all things. I've found no lag or force closes, except from Dolphin. LOL Some things never change.
All I can say is that Samsung did a great job with this tablet. It's no beast, like the TPT. If you drop it I'm sure you'll pay the price, but the screen, resolution, are all comparable. Very happy here.
ETA - GPS works! Less than a second and it was locked. That' Russian add-on, that I can't remember the name of, really works.

Sounds good
My TPT will also go to the repair-centre and if there are still problems I will get rid of it.
Good point with the robustness and i forgot also the "good grip" surface on the back of the TPT.
But with a good case for the Note in future, it will be protected and ready for carrying it to university, school or meeting etc...
(Did you try to get a GPS signal without 3G or Wifi support with the GN10.1? It can download additional data for getting its location quicker..)

There is a new Update on the Lenovo TPT which seems to fix the Pen-Problem.
If that is true I will keep it
( Working fine for its money and got enough connectors)

toenail_flicker said:
Well, I also have the TPT and I'm already considering selling my ThinkPad. I find everything to be better. That said, I may have gotten a Lenovo Lemon. It's going into repair for the final straw that broke my resolve - the back button fell off and cannot be reattached.
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I think the whole line was lemons. And the whole line never was backed with intention of responsive software/Android OS support either. I'm getting ready to sell mine this week because the GNote blows it out of the water in every meaningful way. The only leg the TPT has up on the GNote in my opinion is the full-sized ports, but ultimately there are work-arounds.
As a note of irony, the comparisons of the TPT to the GNote on the Lenovo.com hosted TPT forum have reached the point where the moderators are closing the threads, deleting threads, censoring posts which praise the GNote (without indicating that the moderators edited them), and telling users to talk about it on Samsung's or other vendors forums. The irony is that seems Lenovo's support team is borrowing a page from the Chinese government on information control.
Here's a link to the Lenovo forum for the TPT, but the "subversive" threads have already been deleted. Sigh.
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/bd-p/Thinkpad_slate
JCHP

Ditto, sad that it's come to this. We can't mention the Gnote anymore on that forum.
Guess they realized that it's a lost battle.

404Science said:
Ditto, sad that it's come to this. We can't mention the Gnote anymore on that forum.
Guess they realized that it's a lost battle.
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Hey, 404. Good to see you here.
I took a screenshot this morning of your post about the "Crackdown," and my response, as I suspected it would be soon deleted. I was right! I was thinking we should start referring to the GNote on that forum as "Tablemort," or "The tablet which must not be named."
JC

jchammerpants said:
I think the whole line was lemons. And the whole line never was backed with intention of responsive software/Android OS support either.
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How can you that know from only getting feedback from one forum, where not all users are able or want to write less the ones without problems?
What do you know about if and which improvments are made with the newer production versions of the TPT?
I dont know it, and I dont know how to find out.
You?

jchammerpants said:
As a note of irony, the comparisons of the TPT to the GNote on the Lenovo.com hosted TPT forum have reached the point where the moderators are closing the threads, deleting threads, censoring posts which praise the GNote (without indicating that the moderators edited them), and telling users to talk about it on Samsung's or other vendors forums. The irony is that seems Lenovo's support team is borrowing a page from the Chinese government on information control.
Here's a link to the Lenovo forum for the TPT, but the "subversive" threads have already been deleted. Sigh.
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/bd-p/Thinkpad_slate
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Yeah, I saw that. Pretty anti free speech. I'm always on the mods nerve, anyway. I'm lucky they haven't banned me. I was on their nerve before the issues started showing up, because of the free speech thing.

splotz said:
How can you that know from only getting feedback from one forum, where not all users are able or want to write less the ones without problems?
What do you know about if and which improvments are made with the newer production versions of the TPT?
I dont know it, and I dont know how to find out.
You?
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Hmmm... you make some interesting points.
But as for me, I still think the whole line was lemons. And the whole line never was backed with intention of responsive software/Android OS support either.
JC

FWIW, I think the only ones who wouldn't think the whole line was lemons, are those who don't own the GN. Once I tried the Note I was shocked at just how bad the TPT experience was.

toenail_flicker said:
FWIW, I think the only ones who wouldn't think the whole line was lemons, are those who don't own the GN. Once I tried the Note I was shocked at just how bad the TPT experience was.
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Did you find out if newer versions are fixed?

jchammerpants said:
Hey, 404. Good to see you here.
I took a screenshot this morning of your post about the "Crackdown," and my response, as I suspected it would be soon deleted. I was right! I was thinking we should start referring to the GNote on that forum as "Tablemort," or "The tablet which must not be named."
JC
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Haha, I just read that and posted something earlier along those lines. I was totally thinking of Voldemort.
We should post a photo with the TPT on a gravestone.
So I've got my Gnote and I am a happy man. 30 mins to get up and running with all my old apps and dropbox sync.
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Ezpdf is sooo smooth on this device!!!
I'm speechless... This is what the TPT was supposed to be!
Even LectureNotes works smoothly. I was so slow on the TPT!

toenail_flicker said:
FWIW, I think the only ones who wouldn't think the whole line was lemons, are those who don't own the GN. Once I tried the Note I was shocked at just how bad the TPT experience was.
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What he said!!!!:good:

In your opinion, how does the new Note compare to its predecessor? Worth it or not?

Just curious on your opinion.
My newer one is coming in the mail soon, but how does the Note 2014 compare to the 2012 edition? Worth the upgrade or not?
Much happier, or what features do you wish it kept? Etc.

Hahahalalala said:
Just curious on your opinion.
My newer one is coming in the mail soon, but how does the Note 2014 compare to the 2012 edition? Worth the upgrade or not?
Much happier, or what features do you wish it kept? Etc.
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I loved my N10.1-12; until I got a N3. The 386 DPI display made the 147 PPI display on the N10.1-12 downright painful. There's really nothing I'd say I miss s/w or feature wise when compared to the N10.1-14. Multiview's completely different and S Note's been updated. You'll hear people say they like the "old way" better. While it's different, once you get use to it, Samsung's logic behind the changes starts to make sense. S Pen being relocated is great because you can access it when the tablet's standing. And I love the new Book Cover. It uses magnets to stay closed (the N10.1-12's flopped around) and you can set Daynote to open when the cover's opened which gives you an enlarged Action Memo space to begin immediately taking notes as well as displaying the weather and your day's agenda. The Book Cover also shuts down the Note when it's closed. People have said the front facing speakers of the old Note were better but I mostly use headphones and haven't noticed a big difference the times I've used the external speakers.
Here what I consider the biggest improvements between the two:
Display. I think it's gorgeous.
Form factor. It's pretty amazing how much bulk and weight Samsung was able to remove.
Software. I like the updated apps that are common, Air Command, Scrap Book, and Action Memo and the generally more contemporary feel.
Things I question:
In some places, like Notification Panel icons being over 1" square, the phone UI on a tablet isn't particularly well implemented.
The new Note is faster than the old but not by as much as the h/w should allow. Good news is the Magazine UX-equipped units at CES looked much faster and more fluid than the N10.1-14 so performance should be addressed by updates. Pinch-zooming to display all home pages on the N10.1-14 isn't particularly pretty.
Battery charging on the Exynos models (P-600/P-601) is slooow - slower than the old N10.1-12. The S-800 P-605 has Qualcomm's Quick Charge feature and charges unusually fast.
I love my N10.1-14 and have no regrets buying it.

Hahahalalala said:
Just curious on your opinion.
My newer one is coming in the mail soon, but how does the Note 2014 compare to the 2012 edition? Worth the upgrade or not?
Much happier, or what features do you wish it kept? Etc.
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I wrote this as soon as I got my Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 and before I sold my old one: LINK
Now after owning it for about 2 months, I have to honestly say I have no regrets. I actually use it more than my laptop most of the time. The screen is so, so much superior it's no contest. I absolutely love watching things on my tablet and I do so more than the previous gen. For the first time I've also started reading magazines properly on it because the resolution is just so much more pleasing. I prefer the form factor as the newer tablet is lighter now. I can't really remember if the speakers are worse or not to be honest but I think they are fine for me and my needs. This wasn't a necessary upgrade for me, the previous gen was a very good tablet in its own right, but this one is exactly what I wanted. I'm not sure if I'll upgrade again unless it completely changes. I much prefer the look, the form factor and the screen resolution. However, I'm not really fussy probably in comparison to others, before this I never owned a full HD device as I only received my Galaxy Note 3 after. I personally think you will be happy with it though.

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I wrote this as soon as I got my Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 and before I sold my old one: LINK
Now after owning it for about 2 months, I have to honestly say I have no regrets. I actually use it more than my laptop most of the time. The screen is so, so much superior it's no contest. I absolutely love watching things on my tablet and I do so more than the previous gen. For the first time I've also started reading magazines properly on it because the resolution is just so much more pleasing. I prefer the form factor as the newer tablet is lighter now. I can't really remember if the speakers are worse or not to be honest but I think they are fine for me and my needs. This wasn't a necessary upgrade for me, the previous gen was a very good tablet in its own right, but this one is exactly what I wanted. I'm not sure if I'll upgrade again unless it completely changes. I much prefer the look, the form factor and the screen resolution. However, I'm not really fussy probably in comparison to others, before this I never owned a full HD device as I only received my Galaxy Note 3 after. I personally think you will be happy with it though.
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Wow this is great! Thank you! Also, how much did you sell yours for and where?
Also, is the bluetooth keyboard problem fixed? I use my bluetooth keyboard a lot of my tablet.

Hahahalalala said:
Wow this is great! Thank you! Also, how much did you sell yours for and where?
Also, is the bluetooth keyboard problem fixed? I use my bluetooth keyboard a lot of my tablet.
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Hopefully in the refurb process Samsung adjusted whatever h/w issues were causing the problem. It's kind of been quiet about the issue lately so I'd guess later builds are fine. A lot of people returned or exchanged their tablets, some multiple times, so there's no question that returns that are now refurbs were affected. It's up to Samsung and luck as to whether you will be.

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Hopefully in the refurb process Samsung adjusted whatever h/w issues were causing the problem. It's kind of been quiet about the issue lately so I'd guess later builds are fine. A lot of people returned or exchanged their tablets, some multiple times, so there's no question that returns that are now refurbs were affected. It's up to Samsung and luck as to whether you will be.
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Thanks! How much did you sell your tablet for?
Someone offered 270.
And also, someone said that the new notes doesn't have Cascade view? Opinion on that?

Hahahalalala said:
Wow this is great! Thank you! Also, how much did you sell yours for and where?
Also, is the bluetooth keyboard problem fixed? I use my bluetooth keyboard a lot of my tablet.
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In the end I sold it to a friend but I basically charged slightly more than what I was going to sell it on sellmymobile.com since I gave him a MHL to HDMI adapter also. I got £155. I'd say check on that site to see how much you can sell your tablet for, it's pretty easy as I sold my first galaxy note this way.
I realised the bluetooth keyboard problem was only with the OfficeSuite app. I changed to Jotterpad X and using my bluetooth keyboard was perfectly fine so I'm not quite sure what happened. It's been a while since I've tried using it with OfficeSuite again. I can't say if every bluetooth keyboard will be fine, but mine seems to be okay. As I said before, I used it with the Jotterpad X app and also I've started blogging from the Wordpress app so I've written quite a bit with my keyboard. Here's a link to the keyboard I have:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-FB409AA-ABU-TouchPad-Wireless/dp/B0058CZX70/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391385777&sr=8-1&keywords=hp+bluetooth+keyboard

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In the end I sold it to a friend but I basically charged slightly more than what I was going to sell it on sellmymobile.com since I gave him a MHL to HDMI adapter also. I got £155. I'd say check on that site to see how much you can sell your tablet for, it's pretty easy as I sold my first galaxy note this way.
I realised the bluetooth keyboard problem was only with the OfficeSuite app. I changed to Jotterpad X and using my bluetooth keyboard was perfectly fine so I'm not quite sure what happened. It's been a while since I've tried using it with OfficeSuite again. I can't say if every bluetooth keyboard will be fine, but mine seems to be okay. As I said before, I used it with the Jotterpad X app and also I've started blogging from the Wordpress app so I've written quite a bit with my keyboard. Here's a link to the keyboard I have:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-FB409AA-ABU-TouchPad-Wireless/dp/B0058CZX70/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391385777&sr=8-1&keywords=hp+bluetooth+keyboard
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That was very helpful thank you!
How about how the new note 10.1 took out the cascade view? What was used to replaced, I use cascade view a lot. Especially while I am taking notes and Google something on my notes on the side. I would pin the internet window on top of my notes.

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That was very helpful thank you!
How about how the new note 10.1 took out the cascade view? What was used to replaced, I use cascade view a lot. Especially while I am taking notes and Google something on my notes on the side. I would pin the internet window on top of my notes.
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You can still do that. They still advertise the multiwindow feature and you can have a floating window on top, although if not rooting, the apps are limited. There is a way around that which you can check on here, but it's kind of long. I just quickly grabbed an image from google to show what it looks like: http://blogs.computerworld.com/sites/computerworld.com/files/u177/galaxy-note-101-2014-multi-window.jpg
Edit: This probably shows it off better: http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/multiapp-580x320.jpg

EpicDom said:
In the end I sold it to a friend but I basically charged slightly more than what I was going to sell it on sellmymobile.com since I gave him a MHL to HDMI adapter also. I got £155. I'd say check on that site to see how much you can sell your tablet for, it's pretty easy as I sold my first galaxy note this way.
I realised the bluetooth keyboard problem was only with the OfficeSuite app. I changed to Jotterpad X and using my bluetooth keyboard was perfectly fine so I'm not quite sure what happened. It's been a while since I've tried using it with OfficeSuite again. I can't say if every bluetooth keyboard will be fine, but mine seems to be okay. As I said before, I used it with the Jotterpad X app and also I've started blogging from the Wordpress app so I've written quite a bit with my keyboard. Here's a link to the keyboard I have:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/HP-FB409AA-ABU-TouchPad-Wireless/dp/B0058CZX70/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1391385777&sr=8-1&keywords=hp+bluetooth+keyboard
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You can still do that. They still advertise the multiwindow feature and you can have a floating window on top, although if not rooting, the apps are limited. There is a way around that which you can check on here, but it's kind of long. I just quickly grabbed an image from google to show what it looks like: http://blogs.computerworld.com/sites/computerworld.com/files/u177/galaxy-note-101-2014-multi-window.jpg
Edit: This probably shows it off better: http://www.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/multiapp-580x320.jpg
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I won't be able to root mine, esp since its refurbished. And I believe the second image is for the original Note which I have.
So you can have LectureNotes in back and have a google search on top just in a little corner - and pin it? I know about multi-window but why are people complaining about taking out cascade view as a downgrade? Thanks!

Hahahalalala said:
I won't be able to root mine, esp since its refurbished. And I believe the second image is for the original Note which I have.
So you can have LectureNotes in back and have a google search on top just in a little corner - and pin it? I know about multi-window but why are people complaining about taking out cascade view as a downgrade? Thanks!
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There's no Google search app for the floating window, but you can pin a browser and use that for searching. The only apps available right now are the calculator, alarm, youtube, contacts, chaton, hangouts and the default internet browser. Maybe people don't like it because you don't have as much control over the multi-window since it automatically snaps into place?

About BT keyboard problems. I have Belikn BT keyboard. http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F5L112/
No BT problems so far.

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Thanks! How much did you sell your tablet for?
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I had an imported 3G so I got $400 for it and a ton of accessories on eBay.
And also, someone said that the new notes doesn't have Cascade view? Opinion on that?
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It's still there, sort of. Pen Window which you can open from the Air Command launcher allows you to have re-sizable "mini" windows running. On my 3G N10.1-14 the apps are:
Multiview now works the way it does on the N3. The N2 and N10.1-12 used completely different multiview methods and, owning both, it drove me crazy. The best part of the new Multiview is that you can have multiple instances of the same app (EG: browser) open, you can drag and drop content between windows, and the control of open windows is now a lot easier.
Another great feature is the automatic use of Multiview in certain apps. Like being in the stock e-mail app and clicking in a link in an e-mail automatically opens the URL in a Multiview window.
Scrap Book takes the old persistent clip board further by allowing you to store and categorize content anywhere you find it. And it syncs with your Samsung account so what you capture on once device is automatically available on all your other Scrap Book-equipped devices.
The drastic s/w changes between the '12 and '14 was kind of a shock at first but the more you use it the more logical the new approach Samsung's taken seems. And like the weather, with potential changes coming in M-UX, if you don't like it it may change.
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About BT keyboard problems. I have Belikn BT keyboard. No BT problems so far.
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There's something wrong with some N10.1-14's. Devices that connect fine for some people don't work for others even though the BT devices being attached are identical. People who had problems and exchanged their N10.1-14's had no problems with BT devices they had issues with when using their first device.

The screen on the original note 10.1 was brutal I had it for 30 minutes and packed it back up and returned it to the store - no way I could use that tablet for anything but video - reading text on it was painful - for that alone the new note 10.1 is worth the purchase along with it is much faster, etc. Etc. Etc.
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gregy74 said:
About BT keyboard problems. I have Belikn BT keyboard. http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F5L112/
No BT problems so far.
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Does this keyboard fit the Galaxy Note 10.1 well? I just realised this isn't a case, but is it quite compact? I love my HP keyboard, but I do wish it was more portable.

gregy74 said:
About BT keyboard problems. I have Belikn BT keyboard. http://www.belkin.com/us/p/P-F5L112/
No BT problems so far.
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Just checked that out, and I see why you don't have any problems.. For that price, problems should and are, non-existent!!!

I have had mine for a month and a half now and I still cannot put it down. This thing has been perfect for taking notes during lectures. I also use an Anker bluetooth keyboard and HP bluetooth mouse with this tablet along with OfficeSuite Pro to really make this a productivity machine. I had a few bluetooth, WiFi, and lag issues but that seemed to fix itself out of the blue and this thing is running great. Screen is amazing, it's fast for playing all the latest games (and emulators). Best tablet I have ever used definitely worth the upgrade IMHO.

¿Will-it-Blend? said:
I also use an Anker bluetooth keyboard and HP bluetooth mouse with this tablet along with OfficeSuite Pro to really make this a productivity machine.
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Quick OT question. How the hell do you get Office Suite Pro to cut/copy/paste when using an off-screen keyboard? I can highlight text just fine but there's no option available to do anything with it. The "help" says a cut/copy/paste sub-menu should pop-up but it doesn't.

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Quick OT question. How the hell do you get Office Suite Pro to cut/copy/paste when using an off-screen keyboard? I can highlight text just fine but there's no option available to do anything with it. The "help" says a cut/copy/paste sub-menu should pop-up but it doesn't.
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I usually have to use the Spen to do that. Maybe they'll fix this in an update because sometimes it is a little annoying.
EDIT: When i double click on a word within a document it highlights it and brings up the menu to either cut/paste/copy. I was just typing an essay for my Pyschology class when I noticed this.

I guess you could say the screen alone is worth it. But there are a few other problems that I'm not happy with on the 2014 Edition. I don't like the hardware and capacitive buttons I much prefer the software ones after every other device I own is software. I hate that apps will adapt to hardware keys and require you to hit the capacitive menu key instead of including the menu button in app. This leaves me searching for a menu key. The tablet is also really laggy. Like really really laggy. Overall I prefer everything about the OG one except the screen, which was horrendous enough to make me put up with this one's shortcomings.

Is the Note Pro 12.2 for Me?

I'm in the market for a tablet (or possibly a Chromebook). I'm an editor of a website and need to be able to use it to work on my Wordpress site effectively so strong browser support and keyboard input is crucial.
I like the idea of an Android tablet as I own a Galaxy S4 and have a large collection of Android apps already. Thus, it would also start out with a nice collection of apps.
I'm a bit unclear as to the differences between the Tab Pro 12.2 and the Note Pro 12.2. They seem very alike except for the stylus. Clearly I'm missing something as that's not much to account for the price difference.
I have an iPad 2 and it's nice but I can't really work on it at all. It's too small to enjoy movies on and, sorry, it's Apple so it's too limited.
I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
I'm older so larger is better for my eyes. I'm at a point where I often pretty much need reading glasses for my S4 now.
For ages I was thinking I wanted a Transformer of some design but Asus seems to have fallen behind. Samsung seems to give me lots of potential breathing room.
Any input greatly appreciated. Thanks.

I'm pretty sure the Note Pro and Tab Pro are identical except for the S-Pen and wacom digitizer that powers it. Absolutely if you don't need pen input for notes or drawing then get the Tab.
You can use just about any Bluetooth keyboard with the Pro 12.2. I've had no trouble with several Logitech and Microsoft BT keyboards. I haven't used any of the made-for Note 12.2 keyboards.
My personal fave keyboard is the Logitech K810. It feels excellent for typing, has backlit keys and can instantly switch between 3 different devices.Its very quiet too- keys feel really nice.
Honestly though, if you really want the best laptop style experience, personally I'd opt for a decent lightweight x86 laptop vs a tablet. I'm not crazy about chromebooks though. I'd personally take the Note 12.2 over a chromebook any day, but that's just me.

Thanks. I keep thinking about a laptop but wonder about battery life, weight and the lack of instant-on, etc. I have my desktop always on so x86 isn't a problem. I saw the Tab Pro 12.2 at Best Buy today (they didn't have the Note Pro 12.2) and the size was fine.
However, on your keyboard issue. My concern is that I would like it to be connected so that it can act as a solid laptop replacement. It sounds like you use yours, say, around the house? Not sure how comfortable I'd be transporting two devices like that.

Years ago I'd loathe the thought of converting to Mac but I gotta tell ya, the retina macbook pros are pretty sweet in regards to battery life and instant on . . .
Agree with Zaptoons. Mobile platforms are always a compromise. I have to wonder if you'll be able to do the Wordpress work on Android, though I do see that there are apps for it.

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Years ago I'd loathe the thought of converting to Mac but I gotta tell ya, the retina macbook pros are pretty sweet in regards to battery life and instant on . . .
Agree with Zaptoons. Mobile platforms are always a compromise. I have to wonder if you'll be able to do the Wordpress work on Android, though I do see that there are apps for it.
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On the Mac, that might be a bit out of the price range for this purchase. I also really despise Apple on too many fronts. I recommend them highly and readily -- just not for me so far, but I will continue to refresh the thinking.
On Wordpress work, it really comes down to the capability of the browser. As long as it supports a solid browser experience, I should be okay. I hit Best Buy today to see if the 12.2 would be "too big" and it wasn't. I loaded the browser and it seemed to be solid. I just wasn't comfortable logging into Wordpress though. No idea about stored accounts, etc.

I hear you on the mac.
Definition of solid performance is subjective, you realize that right?
Let's put it this way; unless there's a tablet specific application to do what you need to on wordpress then nothing other than screen size is going to differ between the Note Pro and your s4. The browsers are going to be about the same.
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Leading up to the launch of the Note Pro 12.2 I was eager to get one. Then I stopped by Best Buy and, on a whim, picked up the Acer C720P Chromebook. For a third the cost it doesn't have as big, high resolution or bright of a screen as the Note Pro but it has served me well for everything I need in a mobile device. I even stopped using my Note 10.1 OG. Notice I said mobile device. The Acer has typically given me a solid 7 hours of batter life which is amazing.
Having said that...if you are worried about needing reading glasses and want more screen real estate, the Note Pro might be your path. Though, with a higher resolution type is smaller at normal zoom. You can simply zoom in for bigger text.
If WordPress is your thing, the Chromebook will handle that with no issues. It is a browser afterall.
I'm still contemplating the Note Pro but it is not at the top of my wish list since I purchased the Chromebook. At first it was weird to get used to but it is second nature now and the added offline support for most of the Google apps has sealed the deal for me.
Just my two cents.

Again, great info from all. My thoughts:
1. I haven't had good luck with Android Wordpress apps. To me, they're all a kludge. However, that doesn't mean you can't be productive with Wordpress on Android. The limitation on my S4 is real estate. The browser seems to work fine but I can't be effective with the size of the screen or the keyboard. I suspect a larger screen would work. In part I was hoping I'd get lucky and find another Wordpress user who happened to have luck (or no luck) on this device or a similar one.
2. I have a bit of a klunky Chromebook. A while back I installed Chrome on a eePC -- an entry level Asus T100 or something like that. It's a horrible piece of HARDWARE. I have zero issues with the OS itself and it feels very natural to me. However, I have this haunting feeling that Chrome itself is becoming a dinosaur. As Android continues to prosper, it's dwarfing Chrome to such a point that, I suspect, Android will evolve into being an OS we can use on any device. Maybe I'm missing something entirely about its potential, but that's my thinking. There isn't much going on in the development world for it compared to Android where there's exponentially more options.
Right now, having seen it, I'm concerned about ease of keyboard use (physical). Given the top-heavy design of the tablet having most of the weight, using it on my lap looks pretty impossible. The right keyboard seems an issue too. Samsung's has those raised edges that, I suspect my wrists will want to sit on (ouch). Logitech's keyboard sounds great except for the fact that most of the reviews of it contain horror stories of the Note Pro falling out of its clasps. The other options are all poorly reviewed.
Asus has the combo Android/Windows device but its not all that impressive. Heck, I'd rather it was an Android/Chrome device. hehe

It also appears as if the hybrid options from Asus are cancelled due to pressure from both Google and Microsoft. hehe Neither their Duet or Trio looked all that impressive (lousy battery life, Android 4.2, low resolution, average screens).

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Agrajag27 said:
I'm in the market for a tablet (or possibly a Chromebook). I'm an editor of a website and need to be able to use it to work on my Wordpress site effectively so strong browser support and keyboard input is crucial.
I like the idea of an Android tablet as I own a Galaxy S4 and have a large collection of Android apps already. Thus, it would also start out with a nice collection of apps.
I'm a bit unclear as to the differences between the Tab Pro 12.2 and the Note Pro 12.2. They seem very alike except for the stylus. Clearly I'm missing something as that's not much to account for the price difference.
I have an iPad 2 and it's nice but I can't really work on it at all. It's too small to enjoy movies on and, sorry, it's Apple so it's too limited.
I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
I'm older so larger is better for my eyes. I'm at a point where I often pretty much need reading glasses for my S4 now.
For ages I was thinking I wanted a Transformer of some design but Asus seems to have fallen behind. Samsung seems to give me lots of potential breathing room.
Any input greatly appreciated.
Which way did u decide to go? I'd love to know your thoughts!
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The only difference is the stylus really. If you plan to be taking this to meetings or digitize any part of your handwriting, then the NOTE pro is the device to get, as the TAB pro has no stylus and thus does not specialize itself in taking handwritten notes. I got the wifi version, im satisfied, although probably the LTE snapdragon version may be slightly snappier. If samsung decides to offer some decent customer support in terms of software then overall this will be a good buy. Other than thati find battery life great. I havent used keyboards yet, however if you plan to be using this at a desk u will find the extra screen size v v useful vs the 10 inches. If u plan to be holding it in bed a lot, it could get some time to get used to,but i did. Multi window is v useful in making the experience more windows like and enhances productivity. Browser support is good but not quite the pc levels yet.
You could not investigate surface pro 3 vs this one.
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The only difference is the stylus really. If you plan to be taking this to meetings or digitize any part of your handwriting, then the pro is the device to get.
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They both are called Pro. You meant to say Note Pro if using S pen for note taking. I think there is also difference in RAM, Note Pro has 3Gb, Tab Pro has 2.

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They both are called Pro. You meant to say Note Pro if using S pen for note taking. I think there is also difference in RAM, Note Pro has 3Gb, Tab Pro has 2.
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Edited and clarified. Thanks
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Girl527 said:
I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
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I went with the Note Pro 12.2. I'm very glad I did. Here are same random observations:
1. It's not quite as "polished" as an iPad but it is more flexible in use. I'll take that any day.
2. The size is excellent. Very good for watching a film at the airport, etc.
3. Google seems to be the worst thing about the device. Limitations I find all lead to them at the end. For example, Chrome (the browser) is a cheap imitation of its cousins on PC and Chromebooks. It doesn't do spell checking well, it has odd bugs like opening tabs by using the keyboard. Hit CTRL-T and you'll have to sometimes do it twice to get a new tab and then you get two. Google also doesn't give devs a way to re-assign mouse buttons should you use a bluetooth mouse for a bit of laptop-replacement work. That gets a bit strange as the right mouse button doesn't bring up options (like you get when you hold a screen link or item on the touchscreen) but instead acts like the back button on the device. Doh.
4. The keyboards are all a mixed bag. The Zagg is okay but has annoying raised corners than your hands sit on when typing and its also a bit cheap feeling and not very responsive. The Samsung keyboard isn't really a case. It's more like a snap-on cover that's entirely unconnected when used as a keyboard It just lets the tablet sit at an angle in it which makes it tough to use in bed, for example. It also has the same terrible raised corners. The Logitech is the best of the lot. Quiet, well laid-out and robust. However, it too has its own had-banging issues. You can't reassign its macro keys so if you use a different mail app, tough. Hitting the Mail button will bring up Gmail. The Browser button has an annoying bug that forces you to ALWAYS select which browser you'd like to use no matter how many times you "set the default browser". It also lacks the keyboard app Logitech provides for ALL their other similar keyboards including one made for the Tab 10.1. Go figure. Their own support reps don't even understand this.
Regardless, I'm an old quality assurance professional so I can be very opinionated and a perfectionist so this is a very short list of gripes from me. I still wouldn't own anything else given what I've tried and seen. Very happy customer so far. Having access to all my Android apps is great. I just wish Google would look at Android as a complete OS and stop limiting it to just a hand-held-type OS. Give it a FULL version of Chrome. In fact, just dump the fairly useless Chromium OS and put your efforts into this.

Great info!
Agrajag27 said:
I went with the Note Pro 12.2. I'm very glad I did. Here are same random observations:
1. It's not quite as "polished" as an iPad but it is more flexible in use. I'll take that any day.
2. The size is excellent. Very good for watching a film at the airport, etc.
3. Google seems to be the worst thing about the device. Limitation I find all find them at the end. For example, Chrome (the browser) is a cheap imitation of its cousins on nearly the PC and Chrome books. It doesn't do spell checking well, it has odd bugs like opening tabs by using the keyboard. Hit CTRL-T and you'll have to sometimes do it twice to get a new tab and then you get two. Google also doesn't give devs a way to re-assign mouse buttons should you use a bluetooth mouse for a bit of laptop-replacement work. That gets a bit strange as the right mouse button doesn't bring up options (like you get when you hold a screen link or item on the touchscreen) but instead acts like the back button on the device. Doh.
4. The keyboards are all a mixed bag. The Zagg is okay but has annoying raised corners than your hands sit on when typing and its also a bit cheap feeling and not very responsive. The Samsung keyboard isn't really a case. It's more like a snap-on cover that's entirely unconnected when used as a keyboard It just lets the tablet sit at an angle in it which makes it tough to use in bed, for example. It also has the same terrible raised corners. The Logitech is the best of the lot. Quiet, well laid-out and robust. However, it too has its own had-banging issues. You can't reassign its macro keys so if you use a different mail app, tough. Hitting the Mail button will bring up Gmail. The Browser button has an annoying bug that forces you to ALWAYS select which browser you'd like to use no matter how many times you "set the default browser". It also lacks the keyboard app Logitech provides for ALL their other similar keyboards including one made for the Tab 10.1. Go figure. Their own support reps don't even understand this.
Regardless, I'm an old quality assurance professional so I can be very opinionated and a perfectionist so this is a very short list of gripes from me. I still wouldn't own anything else given what I've tried and see. Very happy customer so far. Having access to all my Android apps is great. I just wish Google would look at Android as a complete OS and stop limiting it to just a hand-held-type OS. Give it a FULL version of Chrome. In fact, just dump the fairly useless Chromium OS and put your efforts into this.
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Awesome information! Thanks for taking the time to share your impressions. I'm having a difficult time pulling the trigger on this purchase (why??) and your opinion helps a bunch! Thanks again!

My Initial Impressions & Pictures!

Hello Pixel C community!!!
Just wanted to give my initial impressions and pictures.
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To sum up the initial experience, this device screams premium. It starts with unboxing:
So far everything is really responsive. The screen is brilliant and very bright. There is no lightbleed that I can tell whatsoever. Lightbleed is a BIG pet peeve of mine and this is refreshing to see that it is a non issue. The power and volume buttons have the same feel as the finish and they are firm. There is a tactile (not audible) click to them that I wish more devices have.
The speakers are loud and clear. They do lack in the low end but that is to be expected in phones/tablets in general right now. The mic's for "OK Google" work well close up (about 5ft range) but further than that it only sometimes picks up my command. I think I read down the road they will have support for "OK Google" with the screen off but for now it only works with it on.
The keyboard is very robust. It has a weight to it that builds confidence for travel. When the keyboard is attached to the front of the display the device has a solid and firm feel. It really has that familiar laptop feel when it is closed. Typing on the keyboard is a breeze. I was afraid the thin enter key would give me trouble but so far it has not. I do wish there was a track pad but I was planning on getting a portable mouse (Microsoft Arc Touch) for productivity on the go.
I set this up as a brand new device. After the setup and updates there is about 23.5 GB of storage left over. While charging there is a slight warmth coming off the back. It is charging (as I type) very rapidly. The charge cable is the USB type C and the length is adequate and on par with every other device I have bought.
All in all this is a very nice device so far. I have much to do with it still to get the full feel but right now it is blowing me away! I thought the initial experience of the Nexus 6P was great...This is amazing!
Thanks for reading and let me know if you have any questions or concerns and I will try to address them asap!

Hi! Nice review, what about gaming performance?, I would like to play some exclusive games like mount and blade or trine and I would like to know if it can handle it ,can you play a little with it and tell us ?

Agallardok said:
Hi! Nice review, what about gaming performance?, I would like to play some exclusive games like mount and blade or trine and I would like to know if it can handle it ,can you play a little with it and tell us ?
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I am still testing out everything and getting it how I like it. I will definitely test out gaming soon.

atg284 said:
I am still testing out everything and getting it how I like it. I will definitely test out gaming soon.
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Thanks you for that, I'm really interesting in buy one,but I want to know how it works,I ll alert if you post something here. Regards!!

How much does the tablet wobble when tapping the screen and typing on the keyboard?

Hi, nice to share this with us. I consider buying one, but only when Microsoft Office apps and MobileSheets is working properly. Would you mind testing this? Huge thanks!

Any back light bleed?

Ngo93 said:
How much does the tablet wobble when tapping the screen and typing on the keyboard?
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There is not much wabble at all when typing with the keyboard while on a hard surface. Taping the display will cause a very slight wobble, a mirco wable if you will. It is really firm though. If it was bad I definetly would notice it and not like it. Im typing with is as we speak and it is a joy really.

rjvdhoek said:
Hi, nice to share this with us. I consider buying one, but only when Microsoft Office apps and MobileSheets is working properly. Would you mind testing this? Huge thanks!
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So far on Android I have only used Google Docs. I have never tried the Microsoft office apps on any of my devices. If I end up using that solution for my needs on this I will let you know. For now Google docs work well for me.

zetsumeikuro said:
Any back light bleed?
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Zero backlight bleed. One of the first things I did was crank the brightness up all the way, turn out the lights, and do a backlight bleed test. Nothing. Absolutly nothing. I went through two Nexus 10's before ultametly getting my money back because of backlight bleed. It is a big pet peeve of mine.
The build quality of the Pixel C and its keyboard is excellent.

The VERY first thing I did when I received mine yesterday, was turn off all the lights, and turn the device on. ABSOLUTELY NO LIGHT BLEED. The device feels very sturdy, and built with "Premium" in mind, just like to OP stated. Is there a way to disable the battery light on the back?

atg284 said:
There is not much wabble at all when typing with the keyboard while on a hard surface. Taping the display will cause a very slight wobble, a mirco wable if you will. It is really firm though. If it was bad I definetly would notice it and not like it. Im typing with is as we speak and it is a joy really.
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Awesome! I guess some units had a bad wobble since I remember seeing some videos of some having a lot of wobble and some having none. Hope mine is like yours

Ngo93 said:
How much does the tablet wobble when tapping the screen and typing on the keyboard?
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While I'm not the OP, my Pixel C also arrived yesterday. I think ultimately it all depends upon how hard of a typist you may be. For me, this happens to be one of the most stable detachable keyboards I've ever used. It's definitely more stable than my Surface Pro 3 which I currently do most of my labor intensive tasks on .
I will add that the consensus of reviews I read immediately after placing my order cited keyboard lag on their test models. It didn't bother me though since I was primarily concerned with using this as a tablet replacement (for my ancient Google Nexus 10) as opposed to a laptop replacement. All I can say is that I've yet to experience any issues with key lagging or intermittent connectivity. While I did have to refresh my bluetooth scan a couple of times during the initial setup, I'm absolutely loving my keyboard's performance thus far.
There is an OTA update it immediately upon powering that may have something to do with resolving the so-called keyboard lagging. My only nit picks would be the lack of a trackpad, and that it does seem somewhat small. However I attribute that last matter to my previous experience with the Surface Pro 3. The more I use the Pixel C keyboard, the more I like it overall.

NikeGolfer said:
While I'm not the OP, my Pixel C also arrived yesterday. I think ultimately it all depends upon how hard of a typist you may be. For me, this happens to be one of the most stable detachable keyboards I've ever used. It's definitely more stable than my Surface Pro 3 which I currently do most of my labor intensive tasks on .
I will add that the consensus of reviews I read immediately after placing my order cited keyboard lag on their test models. It didn't bother me though since I was primarily concerned with using this as a tablet replacement (for my ancient Google Nexus 10) as opposed to a laptop replacement. All I can say is that I've yet to experience any issues with key lagging or intermittent connectivity. While I did have to refresh my bluetooth scan a couple of times during the initial setup, I'm absolutely loving my keyboard's performance thus far.
There is an OTA update it immediately upon powering that may have something to do with resolving the so-called keyboard lagging. My only nit picks would be the lack of a trackpad, and that it does seem somewhat small. However I attribute that last matter to my previous experience with the Surface Pro 3. The more I use the Pixel C keyboard, the more I like it overall.
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I appreciate your feedback as well I am growing more and more excited to receiving my Pixel C come Monday

Got my Pixel C today too (I'm typing this message out on it). Really impressed with the quality of both the tablet itself as well as the keyboard attachment; top notch all around. Screen is gorgeous, even if it does have a lower PPI than my 2013 Nexus 7 and my Nexus 6. I was worried about this when moving up to a larger size tablet, but so far I have no reason to complain. Haven't had a chance to try out the audio quality through the built-in speakers yet, but I'll watch my daily YouTube videos tonight on it to get an idea of what they sound like.. Not expecting miracles, but as long as they're decent quality, I'll be happy. For any serious listening (movies and such), I'll use my Pendulumic S1+ blutooth headphones.
I'm not going to do much on it tonight, as my USB-C to USB-A cable arrives from Amazon tomorrow, and at that poiint I'll unlock the bootloader, which will wipe the device anyway, so I'm just goinig to be using the bare minimum tonight. I do hope we get root soon, as I need to install an adblocker a.s.a.p. - haven't surfed without one in years outside of work, and I forgot how much of a pain it is!
Really, I'd say the whole unit just exudes quality. I was going to wait for a month or two to see how things progressed before making the final decision to buy one, but I got caught up in the hype when the embargo lifted on Tuesday, and all the reviews, both positive and negative, just reenforced how great this tablet would be for me. Not sorry at all that I went ahead and ordered it right away, and so far, with the little time I've had with it, I'm loving it.
[Edit] Just to throw one criticism out there, I did experience one instance of keyboard lag when typing up this post. Was easy to see as the letters just stopped appearing as I was typing. Stopped, and waited about 15 - 20 seconds, and then everything started back up again. I can see this getting annoying if it happens often enough, and I do hope Google fixes this in an upcoming software patch.

atg284 said:
Zero backlight bleed. One of the first things I did was crank the brightness up all the way, turn out the lights, and do a backlight bleed test. Nothing. Absolutly nothing. I went through two Nexus 10's before ultametly getting my money back because of backlight bleed. It is a big pet peeve of mine.
The build quality of the Pixel C and its keyboard is excellent.
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That's very good to know! My Nexus 9 pissed me off with the craptacular display! Backlight bleed and defective panels, my 9 was a nightmare.

Would you be so kind as to run the Androbench storage benchmark? I am really curious to see how the storage stacks up, speed wise. Nexus devices have historically had pretty piss poor storage performance and I am curious if the Pixel C is any better.

oRAirwolf said:
Would you be so kind as to run the Androbench storage benchmark? I am really curious to see how the storage stacks up, speed wise. Nexus devices have historically had pretty piss poor storage performance and I am curious if the Pixel C is any better.
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Here you go!
http://imgur.com/2TGgU63

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Thank you!
I just ran the same benchmark on my Nexus 6P. It's kind of sad how much slower the Pixel C is, storage-wise. I don't understand why Google wont use a decent memory architecture in their devices...
Apples to apples using your image:
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oRAirwolf said:
Thank you!
I just ran the same benchmark on my Nexus 6P. It's kind of sad how much slower the Pixel C is, storage-wise. I don't understand why Google wont use a decent memory architecture in their devices...
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It looks like the sequential read is a bit on the slower end compared to the Nexus 6P. I love my N6P :victory:
I will say that the Pixel C is a pretty snappy device though. Much more fluid compared to my Note 10.1 2014 Edition.