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So unfair.

This is just so unfair.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAbsmHMAhrQ&feature=player_embedded

Uhhhmm... Why?

what is so unfair?
it works and does the same as the phone version, just bigger

Maybe he meant unfair because we cant get a decent FW for our phones because Samsung is focusing on the tablet.
It is really a strange feeling. Besides the size difference, I caught myself with envy that my phone could do the same thing, just being smaller.
But in fact it can't, because we never get the software.
Paulo

so what.. remember it has drawbacks too..
1. propriatary adapter instead of true hd socket.
2. no removeable replaceable battery..i like having spare batteries ready.
3. strange resolutin 1024x600
4. no super oled screen. .supposedly bad viewing angle support.
5. expensive.. will see price when carriers pick it up

there's a bigger chance i'll pick up one of these
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44673
instead of the Tab, just because of price/size matters
it might not be as good as the Tab, and not even close to our phone, but it's great for size and compatibility to runt he same apps we run on our phones at a larger screen
I think of it as a really good backup of my stuff on the SGS phone, in case crap happens and i need to restore all the info back quickly
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ppeccin said:
Maybe he meant unfair because we cant get a decent FW for our phones because Samsung is focusing on the tablet.
It is really a strange feeling. Besides the size difference, I caught myself with envy that my phone could do the same thing, just being smaller.
But in fact it can't, because we never get the software.
Paulo
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Alot of companies do this type of tatic of focuing all materials and personale on a new product development. i dont believe samsung does this and tries to allocate its resources equally....

These pure tablet PC's are the most overrated technology ever anyway..
Hybrids such as the Lenovo Ideapad U1 make more sense, because touchscreens don't provide good enough feedback for typing. I understand that pure touchscreen-exclusive tablets seem cool, but they are actually a step back in productivity, and ergonomics. And only a company which makes a puck mouse seem cool (and in reality, focuses on irrelevant design issues rather than real ones) could bring these into fashion..
Don't waste money on them, until they can at least modify the shape of the touch screen panel to provide proper tactile feedback (ie, surface changes or lumps).
Instead, just get a netbook or a convertible tablet...

the problem with Laptops/Tablets is the weight and poor battery life compared to the tablets
i have a laptop, and it sits at home 90% of the time because of that
instead my SGS has almost replace my laptop entirely, just missing a mouse and keyboard, then i'll be set
looking forward to Froyo, which already confirmed support for BT mouse+keyboards, yay!

I'm sorry, Allgamer, but I have to ask, why are you pushing the SGS so hard?
1) 2 weeks ago, you were claiming that you were a power user, who had to swap your mobile phone batteries once a day, you have a BT headset, which you probably need to charge once a day, and now, a bluetooth keyboard you'll need to charge every 2 or 3 days too? You have a problem with Hybrid battery life (of 5 to 8 hours), but no problems shutting down your mobile to swap batteries constantly?
2) We both know the SGS is awkward to hold (and hurts your wrist after a while), and you can't really lay it down on the table.
3) You complain about the weight, but, the U1 tablet weighs 700gm and the entire hybrid weighs 1.7kg. My CCNA book weighs 1.6 KG as reference. You are in your 20's I thought, and you are already having trouble carrying a book?
4) Power users need productivity, and the SGS is TOTALLY inefficient. One problem is screen size, which makes it difficult to perform many tasks efficiently.
Sorry, but your comments are certainly starting to raise red-flags. By the sounds of things, you either aren't being honest to yourself, are exaggerating your use as a power user, or are trying to make things difficult for yourself.
Tablets don't entirely make sense, but they do as convertible hybrids.. Smartphones make sense for some things, but I have serious trouble believing that "power users" are best suited to using a mobile.

Too big for my pocket. And if I can take that with me, I also can take my netbook.
It's not much bigger...
For gaming+TV it would rock. There is no TV-tuner built in?
Also I need possibilities to run openoffice on it, so I can use it for presentations...

rdenis said:
Finally someone called out this moron for his load of BS he keeps spewing - I'm guessing he's about 14 and gets beat up a lot..
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I wouldn't say that..
But it's the same effect I saw when selling Apple equipment. People become so involved with their devices, that they begin to take an unrealistic look at how good they REALLY are. Apple Mac Pro's are the perfect example.
* In general, the video cards being sold with the Mac Pro's are generations behind those available on PC's. But people love them.
* Some people also LOVED the Apple might mouse, despite the right button being near-impossible to click successfully, because they didn't realise the competition allowed scrolling left and right too.
* Over time, all OSX users seemed to have convinced themselves that Windows crashed every day (even if iPhoto was crashing right in front of them).
*It's the same effect which has convinced Linux users that UAC is more intrusive than PolicyKit (it's actually the opposite).
Either way, the tablet seems targeted at the gimmicky crowd. Their main benefit is casual browsing, and watching movies. But lets face it, touchscreens are still HORRIBLE for typing, and most of us would like to be able to chat to someone whilst watching a movie.
But that's just my thoughts.. Time will tell, but you can't fix the ergonomics issues with tablets, until they are at least bendable, the pixels on the screen can displace themselves forward or backwards (or simply change smooth to rough) or have a perfectly polished neural interface (but neural interfaces are still under heavy development)

Speaking of which... what happened to the flexible display I read about a prototype a year or two ago?
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1- i still do and i always carry a spare battery with me when i go out, that's how often i use the SGS phone, and i keep an extra spare in the car, for when the one i have runs out, and i need another spare to keep with me.
the BT headset doesn't get charge every day, battery life is quite good, only gets charge once every week or two depending on usage, i use the phone for online activities not for yapping
BT keyboard is just a convenient for typing faster, they are foldable, it shrinks down to a pda size, still fits in a pocket, they existed since the Palm times, what's what made the BT keyboard popular, battery life depend on how much you type on it. you won't be charging a BT keyboard as often as you would charge a BT headset.
2- no idea how you are holding it, but it works just the same, for typing with the on screen keyboard it's pretty natural, i even do it one handed when i'm busy with a drink on the other hand, it's not as quick as when you type with both thumbs, but it's doable for SMS and IM, definitely you wont want to type a long email with a single thumb
holding the phone for voice call will just be natural as well, like using any other phone, the only thing that bugs me is the proximity sensor, as it takes a split second to go back to the dialing pad screen, before you can switch to another application to look up for information meanwhile chatting with the customer
3- yes because i don't like to travel with bags, it has nothing to do with lifting weight it's just ruins the look of your shirt, it shifts the shirt to a side with the weight and it doesn't look good, you don't want to hang out with a lady or partying with buddies carrying a laptop/ipad/tablet around is just trouble (it can get beer in it, it can get stolen if you leave it on the side of the restaurant/bar/anyplace, you might forget it if the meeting is going so well and having too much fun, ladies will look at you like a geek, some nicer restaurant will throw you a bad eye for pulling out a laptop on the table, you go to a cinema with a laptop and pull it out they'll automatically think you are going to capture the movie, been there done that, not fun, it was totally stupid if you ask me, since when you can get a decent recording out of a laptop webcam? LOL )
all of that aside, when you pull out an iphone or the SGS, no one will complain to you, instead people would say WOW! can i see that, can i do this, can i play that, can i... you get the idea, it's totally 2 side of the spectrum
That's what Apple is selling, and that's what people like, non geeky devices that works, and Samsung is just riding the same wave.
Personally i don't care, i just want a device that is better than Windows crapile, and the combination of Samsung hardware + Android OS have done that for me.
If PalmOS was still around on a phone similar to SGS i'd have gone the PalmOS way instead, as the OS is much more polished, still buggy, but there are tons of Apps for it... too bad the company went under bought by HP, and trashed to the pages of history.
4- for me productivity means being able to get online and log on to servers anywhere i'm in, for documents we got ThinkFreeOffice which is sufficient for me, and i was able to convert my old Palm Doc To Go office to the Android version of Doc To Go. with the SGS i can hookup to all my different companies accounts (15+), and they will all each keep their own separate contact list, in Wincrap mobile it would have been a major mess, you can't have both personal and work accounts together, now that's efficiency for me.
same goes with IM, i can be online with all my email accounts and people can contact me all over, it's so easy, in Wincrap i had to use those jabber IMs to do the same and it was always disconnecting because it goes through jabber and it's not stable enough to make IM conversation a good experience as people always said i was offline when i was not.
Since i switched to SGS using the stock push email & IM, i've not had any problem, all my customers are happy, and when customers are happy, i'm happy.
Typing is decent with SGS, it can be better with a BT keyboard, too bad i can't use it yet until Froyo is out.
Browsing speed is amazing, i can look up stuff instantly, this is a great topic when having a coffe with friends and customers, i'm a forgetful person i depend on a reliable PDA for my work, so it's amazing for people when they see i can jump back and forth between apps in the phone to look up about the stuff i forget during our conversations and then continue with the meeting.
It is just so natural this phone, compared to all previous ones. the best thing is, it's small, it can go anywhere, even under water if you put it on one of those waterproof bags for PDAs available on DX
If being able to do everything you need to do at anywhere and at anytime is not efficient for you, then i don't know what is, but for me that is exactly the type of device i need to do my work, and hobby, and entertainment, and picture, and recording, and specially the GPS as i use it every day while i drive, my Speedo in the car is broken.
was trying to install some custom mods to the car and screwed up the speedo needle fuel tank needle is dead as well, good think it lights up when it runs low in gas.
All in all you don't need to believe me, but that is truly how magnificent this phone works for people that knows how to use it.
I give free lesson and consulting on how to use it and get the most out of it and people love it, as usual I'll extend my hand for anyone that needs help with the phone in the GTA area, just PM me to book for an appointment.
i carry the XDA App anyways, i use it all the time to check my PMs and forum topics when i'm idle
andrewluecke said:
I'm sorry, Allgamer, but I have to ask, why are you pushing the SGS so hard?
1) 2 weeks ago, you were claiming that you were a power user, who had to swap your mobile phone batteries once a day, you have a BT headset, which you probably need to charge once a day, and now, a bluetooth keyboard you'll need to charge every 2 or 3 days too? You have a problem with Hybrid battery life (of 5 to 8 hours), but no problems shutting down your mobile to swap batteries constantly?
2) We both know the SGS is awkward to hold (and hurts your wrist after a while), and you can't really lay it down on the table.
3) You complain about the weight, but, the U1 tablet weighs 700gm and the entire hybrid weighs 1.7kg. My CCNA book weighs 1.6 KG as reference. You are in your 20's I thought, and you are already having trouble carrying a book?
4) Power users need productivity, and the SGS is TOTALLY inefficient. One problem is screen size, which makes it difficult to perform many tasks efficiently.
Sorry, but your comments are certainly starting to raise red-flags. By the sounds of things, you either aren't being honest to yourself, are exaggerating your use as a power user, or are trying to make things difficult for yourself.
Tablets don't entirely make sense, but they do as convertible hybrids.. Smartphones make sense for some things, but I have serious trouble believing that "power users" are best suited to using a mobile.
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i have spare batteries too.. one i leave at work in case i forget.. i also use the external wall chargers.. the onese that go from purple to blue when charged... i have a couple of the g9 batteries i got from the samsung website and find they work even better than the g7 batteries..

I'll probably stick to my SGS and HP Elitebook 2730 tablet for when I need a larger display. With the extra battery slice on the latter I can easily rival the IPad's battery life yet do a heck of a lot more. It is heavier but I don't mind.
Given that Google says Froyo isn't designed for tablet use I'll probably hold off on the Tab either way though.
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funkeh said:
I've been browsing this forum for a little while now and found AllGamers threads very helpful indeed and it hasn't cost me a penny.
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that's usually a major thing i keep in mind, like to stick with FREE stuff, because i'm poor... well not exactly true, i just spend money like there's no tomorrow, buying whatever i feel like on the spot if it tickles my fancy.
so FREE helps a lot, LOL
99% of the apps i suggest from android market are free, as i try to save were i can, so that i can spend it else when when i go out drinking

Any further posts in this thread, by any member, that are not directly related to the thread topic (i.e. the relative merits of the Galaxy Tab vs. the regular SGS variants) will met with immediate disciplinary action.

Android looks relatively Vanilla on the Tab. Can someone use the tab firmware to cook a similar ROM for the Galaxy S?

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Android looks relatively Vanilla on the Tab. Can someone use the tab firmware to cook a similar ROM for the Galaxy S?
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I'm pretty sure once we (some one from XDA) can get their hands on a working unit, that might actually be possible
as the Tab shares so much in common with the SGS, except for the screen size
we might need to edit the Aspect Ratio / resolution on the Tabs ROM and we might be able to use on our phones
i like the Gmail app version running on the Tab, you can split the screen, we can't do it yet with our current version when in landscape mode
Outlook lovers will love that feature

Performance out of the box?

I still have my Tf700T.
I am curious for those that already have this tablet, how is the performace straight out of the box (stock)?
My buddy has the tab 2, and it seems to flutter when moving screen to screen.
Is this any better?
Besides the screen resolution, can anyone compare the performance of the note to the Infinity?

You can find a few reviews on Youtube which clearly demonstrates the performance out of the box:
Unboxing and preview - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elFOFD1UNzQ
Demonstrations - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUxFN5kwS9E and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brfs6bjZ5h4
Edit: I can't see any stuttering or microlag at all so I believe the performance out of the box is excellent!

lardo5150 said:
I still have my Tf700T.
I am curious for those that already have this tablet, how is the performace straight out of the box (stock)?
My buddy has the tab 2, and it seems to flutter when moving screen to screen.
Is this any better?
Besides the screen resolution, can anyone compare the performance of the note to the Infinity?
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I can't compare it to the TF700 but compared to the OG 10.1 it's night and day. It never stutters and transitions are incredibly smooth. The browser's also very impressive. Don't forget that the TF700 suffers from the typical Asus quality issues, doesn't have 5GHz Wi-Fi, and has horrible I/O bottlenecks. Those bottleneck are why the N7 gets such ****ty AnTuTu scores. It would be great if the Note had a HD display but it's a trade off against S-Pen and overall performance.
Here's a full test and some benchmarks:
http://uk.hardware.info/reviews/300...iew-high-end-tablet-but-lacking-in-resolution

By far better than the asus, multitasking brings many new creative ideas to ics, its more useable now, ready to replace your laptop on the go !
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ready to replace your laptop on the go !
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In addition to the two-years of 50GB Dropbox storage, Polaris is multi-view enabled and now saves/accesses files you store in Dropbox. I hope Samsung comes out with a BT keyboard like the OG 10.1 had.

Do you think that the multi-screen thing is the power of this GNote 10"1 ?
We can see some apps already in the market (browser with Overskreen, video players...) for others tablets.
Do we need these benchmarks when the screen is not HD ? Can we compare these with HD Tablets ?
Do you think that it is an expensive tablet ?
S-Pen is a gadget ? I am a student, I already tested GNote and we can't do anything with the S-Pen, keyboards are much better for students. Maybe for those who like drawing, a little ?

The pen is a better choice for any student who studies a technical field. Equation, diagrams, annotations are all important for good notes. Even for non students, meeting notes are impossible to take with any decent accuracy on a keyboard. The conversations often jump around too much and there are a lot of visual representations used (again probably not true for all occupations, but anything that requires technical knowledge).
The smart shape stuff also looks awesome for drawing diagrams for presentations. We are a visual people, and the pen is the best instrument for drawing anything.
Infact I'll go one step further. No scientist I know thinks at the keyboard. Everyone thinks with a pen/paper or on a white board. When you are brainstorming its almost impossible to think about typing but sketching out ideas with a pen feels natural.

StiiLe said:
Do you think that the multi-screen thing is the power of this GNote 10"1 ?
We can see some apps already in the market (browser with Overskreen, video players...) for others tablets.
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Teg3 might be able to run some of the split screen apps but good luck with 1GB of RAM. The Note has 2GB of RAM for a reason.
Do we need these benchmarks when the screen is not HD ? Can we compare these with HD Tablets ?
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Benchmarks are meaningless. They do help calculate an individual devices performance. Do you have a problem with apps opening too quickly, transitions being too smooth, or tons of apps running well at the same time? If you don't care about those things any gen-one Teg2 device will meet your needs. The comparison to an HD tablet is that it's not an HD tablet. The other stuff was more important to me than HD. Most here will agree or they wouldn't have bought a Note. Asus and Acer aren't the kings of quality either which after following the Prime has pretty much sworn me off of Asus.
Do you think that it is an expensive tablet ?
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Yes.
S-Pen is a gadget ? I am a student, I already tested GNote and we can't do anything with the S-Pen, keyboards are much better for students. Maybe for those who like drawing, a little ?
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I use it for handwritten notes quite well. It also converts handwriting in to text. There's a big difference between taking notes on a phablet and a real tablet. Also the G-Note's only dual-core with 1GB of RAM so it's slow in comparison.

@redviper666
"The pen is a better choice for any student who studies a technical field. Equation, diagrams, annotations are all important for good notes."
I am a student-engineer, scientist field, and we were talking about this tablet with colleagues. We won't use a tablet for equation, diagrams or annotations. Definitely not, you are wrong. We tried to imagine, but a paper and a pen is much better for this. S-Pen won't help us, but it would slow down our note taking.
If we need to write a report, or an article, we won't use it either. On one hand, we use to work with a big resolution, then we can visualize all the document, make some modification easily. On the other hand, we are more effective with a keyboard. For example we use to be on computer with Word, and there already are very good stuffs for equations, diagrams... It's easy and "neat". We would use S-Pen for rough copy maybe, but again we were talking about take a stylo, and a paper.
I see S-Pen like this : "It is useless, then it is essential". I exaggerate. But a keyboard is very much better, we can't write something with S-Pen. Even with a stylo+paper, we are faster with a keyboard. A mouse and a keyboard are irreplaceable.
"Even for non students, meeting notes are impossible to take with any decent accuracy on a keyboard."
Then, until now, we couldn't do it ? Keyboard is the best way. I can prove you, Pen is really not easy compared with keyboard. When I am in a conference, I will write with a physical keyboard (ASUS TF700) or a capacitive keyboard (GNote 10.1), tell me if you see professionnals using S-Pen. Impossible.
"The smart shape stuff also looks awesome for drawing diagrams for presentations. We are a visual people, and the pen is the best instrument for drawing anything."
Presentations are not drawing. Again, we always have one hand on the mouse, the other on the keyboard. Then, with Powerpoint, we can easily put a diagram with the mouse (we know exactly how to do of course, if not you are not a good worker), and write in with the keyboard. Drawing a circle to put a diagram won't help us... I can bet 1000$ that we won't see it in companies, in conference, in key-note...
Maybe you want to have fun doing a rough copy (again) with a GNote, but we don't need to buy a GNote 10.1 to make a rough copy.
"Infact I'll go one step further. No scientist I know thinks at the keyboard. Everyone thinks with a pen/paper or on a white board. When you are brainstorming its almost impossible to think about typing but sketching out ideas with a pen feels natural. "
Mathematicians would use paper and stylo of course. A big part of engineer would use keyboard to write reports, or a brainstorming. Again, and again, and again, we really don't need a graphic (tablet) or a GNote to use a paper with a pencil, for rough copy. It's much easier and faster with our actual paper. Generaly, we use keyboard anyway.
@BarryH_GEG
"Teg3 might be able to run some of the split screen apps but good luck with 1GB of RAM. The Note has 2GB of RAM for a reason."
Actualy, 2 GB of RAM is too much !
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I can easily use split screen with Overskreen or video player with 1 GB !
"The other stuff was more important to me than HD. Most here will agree or they wouldn't have bought a Note. Asus and Acer aren't the kings of quality either which after following the Prime has pretty much sworn me off of Asus. "
Okay, I don't want fanaticism for Samsung, or a devotion for our personal choice to convince ourselves. But I am going to put some arguments against yours, without thinking about Samsung or ASUS/Acer, just features.
Now, do you really think S-Pen is more important than HD / Full HD ? Having fun 2 days with your pen on S-Note (capacitive keyboard is a huge thing when you want to write something). Polaris Office is better with HD / Full HD, and split screen would be very very good on GNote with Full HD ! I can't see what do you think about when you say "other stuff" ?
Tablets are very good for multimedia, and sometimes to write reports with a physical keyboard, or even capacitive. Both using useful with Full HD. What do you think about ?
Do you think that it's easier to write a report (or an article) with S-Pen ?
S-Pen is only for small drawings with "Draw Something" apps ; and if you want to draw precisely, you need 300 dpi (3500 x 2600), or at least 200 dpi (2400 x 1600). That's a gadget, really not necessary.
"I use it for handwritten notes quite well. It also converts handwriting in to text."
Try a physical keyboard.
We are much faster with a keyboard, particularly if you need to converts it in to text. I don't need to be precise if I need to draw a small drawing on my "rough paper" with a standard capacitive screen.
Personally, I suggest that we should create our company. Then we create our tablet with :
- PLS technology (GNote screen with his S-Pen), it could be useful if I listen to you
- Full HD technology on this
- ASUS Keyboard on this
- iPad anti-reflection technology
This would be the perfect tablet !

StiiLe said:
I can bet 1000$ that we won't see it in companies, in conference, in key-note...
Maybe you want to have fun doing a rough copy (again) with a GNote, but we don't need to buy a GNote 10.1 to make a rough copy.
Mathematicians would use paper and stylo of course. A big part of engineer would use keyboard to write reports, or a brainstorming. Again, and again, and again, we really don't need a graphic (tablet) or a GNote to use a paper with a pencil, for rough copy. It's much easier and faster with our actual paper. Generaly, we use keyboard anyway.
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I'm not sure what kind of engineer you are, but the amount of scratch paper that is sitting on my work desk is immense. I have killed many poor trees sketching free body diagrams, making rough calculations, and writing short-hand notes for all of the projects I do (structural engineering). Making reports for submittal is merely a small part of what is done and typically when i'm working on a project my computer screen is on sleep mode because I have no use for it.
I would much rather use the S-Pen and have my notes easily accessible if a client or co-worker were to ask me a question.

I think we need to get a Notecore Kernel http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1749863 for the Tab as well!
I run it on my normal note and it made it much faster and responsive and also battery lasts longer.

cocoajumpo said:
I'm not sure what kind of engineer you are, but the amount of scratch paper that is sitting on my work desk is immense. I have killed many poor trees sketching free body diagrams, making rough calculations, and writing short-hand notes for all of the projects I do (structural engineering). Making reports for submittal is merely a small part of what is done and typically when i'm working on a project my computer screen is on sleep mode because I have no use for it.
I would much rather use the S-Pen and have my notes easily accessible if a client or co-worker were to ask me a question.
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Right, I had read his post. Curious.
I have been pulling my hair out about this. I have quite a few things (calculations) that take up about twenty pages. Now, it takes me half of my time organizing the mess. I have maps just to guide me thought this! This can be rather stressful :laugh: . Tablets are generally really uncomfortable, and pen a paper is not. But the pulp is just messy, and I've got to try to get out from under this. IYKWIM.
Of course you can get really good at Mathmatica or Mathcad, and that I do also (not the 'really good' part), but it's even more uncmfortable.
Oh I know, you think "Twenty pages of calculation" He must be a genius. Answer: No, a genius would do it in one page, or in his head. I'm an idiot
Anyway, this new variety is pretty cool. Me thinks.

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I am a student-engineer, scientist field, and we were talking about this tablet with colleagues… …I see S-Pen like this : "It is useless, then it is essential". I exaggerate. But a keyboard is very much better, we can't write something with S-Pen. Even with a stylo+paper, we are faster with a keyboard. A mouse and a keyboard are irreplaceable. Even for non students, meeting notes are impossible to take with any decent accuracy on a keyboard. Then, until now, we couldn't do it ? Keyboard is the best way. I can prove you, Pen is really not easy compared with keyboard. When I am in a conference, I will write with a physical keyboard (ASUS TF700) or a capacitive keyboard (GNote 10.1), tell me if you see professionnals using S-Pen. Impossible.
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You really shouldn't impose your personal opinion or that of a small group of people you associate with on others. For the majority of meetings I'm in it would be considered rude and inappropriate to be hammering away at a keyboard when you should be focusing on the body language of the people in the meeting and the person speaking at the time. For those situations, the Note is perfect. Maybe your attitude will change when you’re no longer a student and in business (vs. technical) meetings.
Actualy, 2 GB of RAM is too much !
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You don't follow Android devices much, do you? The Adreno GPU in the new S4 chip reserves 350MB of RAM for itself. With only 1GB of RAM available multitasking is abysmal. Why do you think the U.S. SGS3 with the S4 chip has 2GB of RAM? Samsung doesn't give away RAM (and profit) without reason.
Okay, I don't want fanaticism for Samsung, or a devotion for our personal choice to convince ourselves. But I am going to put some arguments against yours, without thinking about Samsung or ASUS/Acer, just features.
Now, do you really think S-Pen is more important than HD / Full HD ? Having fun 2 days with your pen on S-Note (capacitive keyboard is a huge thing when you want to write something). Polaris Office is better with HD / Full HD, and split screen would be very very good on GNote with Full HD ! I can't see what do you think about when you say "other stuff" ?
Tablets are very good for multimedia, and sometimes to write reports with a physical keyboard, or even capacitive. Both using useful with Full HD. What do you think about ?
Do you think that it's easier to write a report (or an article) with S-Pen ?
S-Pen is only for small drawings with "Draw Something" apps ; and if you want to draw precisely, you need 300 dpi (3500 x 2600), or at least 200 dpi (2400 x 1600). That's a gadget, really not necessary.
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This is a non-sensical rant. I have a HTC One X so I'm no Samsung fanboy. The performance and features of the Note are better than any Android tablet on the market (for now). Asus has a poor reputation for quality as you can see on the front page of any of their devices in this forum. Including the new N7. They don't offer 5GHz Wi-Fi, have I/O issues because of the cheap NAND they use, and have problems using BT and Wi-Fi streaming concurrently because they use AzureWave vs. Broadcom radios to save money. If you think HD is more important than those things, nifty. Not everyone does.
Try a physical keyboard. We are much faster with a keyboard, particularly if you need to converts it in to text. I don't need to be precise if I need to draw a small drawing on my "rough paper" with a standard capacitive screen.
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Not everyone cares about a keyboard. Especially those that use their tablets primarily for consumption. The faux-MS Office products on Android are crap and the incompatibility with most corporate products make them inappropriate as laptop replacements. If keyboards were so important Asus' market share would be higher and everyone would be imitating them. It's not and they aren't.

I feel offended. I'll try to answer a little bit.
@cocoajumpa and @BarryH_GEG
"You really shouldn't impose your personal opinion or that of a small group of people you associate with on others. For the majority of meetings I'm in it would be considered rude and inappropriate to be hammering away at a keyboard when you should be focusing on the body language of the people in the meeting and the person speaking at the time. For those situations, the Note is perfect. Maybe your attitude will change when you’re no longer a student and in business (vs. technical) meetings."
I was student, and now my job is working on some projects, we often call it "sales engineer", and I have to defend a project with his pro & cons, and of course his prices. Then, very often, I have to send e-mail, or write reports after a meeting. Most of the time, my job isn't technical anymore. I better need a Full HD (for an overall view of the document) + Keyboard.
My colleagues (and me) are still using real computers during the meetings, and we are all taking notes on the keyboard while someone is talking, I can take photos to prove it to you, Barry. Maybe that you will be impressed, but during the meeting, some of them are directly putting down their report and we receive it just after it ends... I can't believe that they can talk and write a professional report at the same time, but they use to do it.
I have never seen someone with a paper+pencil in business meeting ! Or even with a tablet and capacitive pencil, or now GNote10"1. The standard is and will be keyboard, isn't it ?
I read something about Office on Android, that Microsoft is working on it for the end of 2012, or Q1 2013. Can you confirm it ?
"You don't follow Android devices much, do you? The Adreno GPU in the new S4 chip reserves 350MB of RAM for itself. With only 1GB of RAM available multitasking is abysmal. Why do you think the U.S. SGS3 with the S4 chip has 2GB of RAM? Samsung doesn't give away RAM (and profit) without reason."
Are you telling me that 1 Gb of RAM is not enough at all ? TF700 is bad for example if you would use Overskreen or something like that on it ?
We must have 2 Gb for multitasking on Android ?
"This is a non-sensical rant. I have a HTC One X so I'm no Samsung fanboy. The performance and features of the Note are better than any Android tablet on the market (for now). Asus has a poor reputation for quality as you can see on the front page of any of their devices in this forum. Including the new N7. They don't offer 5GHz Wi-Fi, have I/O issues because of the cheap NAND they use, and have problems using BT and Wi-Fi streaming concurrently because they use AzureWave vs. Broadcom radios to save money. If you think HD is more important than those things, nifty. Not everyone does."
I'm not Samsung fanboy either, but I really like their GNote 2. As a phone, S-Pen could be cool for taking notes, for a non-professional (at all) using.
I would like you to put down your real thoughts : ASUS are making very bad products ? Everything goes wrong ?
About performance, Note is the best and others are far away behind ? Aren't they approximately the same, out of the box ?
If keyboards were so important Asus' market share would be higher and everyone would be imitating them. It's not and they aren't.
We can't compare ASUS marketing service, and Samsung marketing service... I think ASUS can be proud of them when we see their sales. Do you think that keyboards will disappear ? Don't you think that we will see more and more keyboards ?
About my opinion, I like this PLS technology, and as I said I would like to buy GNote 2 then. But on a tablet, I would prefer Full HD, for multimedia and even for profesionnal using. At this moment, the issues you are talking about have not unsettled me at all. But when I read you, I would be totaly insane to buy a TF700 instead of GNote10"1.
If I think HD is more important than those thing, nifty... What do you mean... am I blind ? Am I totally wrong ?

Barry, +1.

StiiLe said:
By the way, I'm not aggressive at all, I'm just trying to see the using of this S-Pen which makes the GNote10"1 amazing for you.
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Here's the difference between my comments and yours. I'm not an engineer and have no idea how practical the S-Pen is in an engineering environment. If the Note were meant exclusively for engineers Samsung wouldn't be offering it as a mass market device and would instead sell it through Samsung Business directly to the engineering field. Perhaps the small percentage of others here who are in engineering can have the debate you're looking for. The launch event tomorrow that's costing Samsung several hundred thousand dollars isn't for a product dedicated to engineering. Something to think about in your critique.
I bought the Note for its performance over everything else. I had a Teg2 OG G-Tab and it was painfully slow and Nvidia not including NEON in the GPU made it horrible for video playback. These are the things that made me buy the Note:
1) CPU/GPU/RAM
2) Multi-view
3) Annotation
4) Taking notes in meetings
5) Exceptional web browsing
6) Samsung's audio and video codec support
7) Useful features like Awake Stay, Pop Up Play, AllShare Cast, and Buddy Photo
8) Rock solid build quality
P.S. - I followed the Prime from its launch. After that, I'd never even consider an Asus tablet regardless of features or cost/benefit.

im a electrical engineering student with a focus in power and electronics, and in all my class there is a lot of schematics, graphs, and math. a regular tablet with a stylus is not the same as a pen with a active digitizer. you can add a keyboard to a tablet but you can add an active digitizer to a laptop. ive tried using my laptop in class and its difficult. in my field theres not that much words to type, just name of the equation and little side notes here and there. using the number pad on a laptop to do equations is slow and difficult. using a mouse or trackpad to do graphs and insert text box here and there is the same. my professors also hand out alot of printed or post online pdf notes, so having the ability to edit and add notes on the pdf on a tablet would be more ideal. yes i can do that on the printed version but by week 3 my backpack is filled with paper.
your technical field must involve more typing but mine doesn't. i have reports to do too, but those reports are usually due in few days; in which i can go home and use my pc for excel and word or even use my bluetooth keyboard with polaris. the note really just apply more to people with the need to write/draw on a tablet. i guess that need would have to be enough to overlook the FHD of the Asus infinity or ipad3. if i didnt need to write so much i would go for the infinity. i do a lot of reading too and i would like to get back into gaming, which is all perfect for the FHD, but it is just not on top of my list. keep in mind, android at the moment has not adapted to FHD yet. 500-600$ (hofully for a wifi version of the note) is a lot, but even though thats a lot of money i know i will upgrade in a year or two for a new tablet and by that time im sure there will be a FHD with active digitizer tablet; and hopefully a majority of android and apps will be FHD by then also.
i am still going to wait a few weeks to buy the note, just to see if any problems come up. if theres a select few that may weigh the note and the infinity the same to me, then i will get the infinity instead. worst case i can get a Adonit Jot stylus for it. the infinity just has a better longevity and better support. where as the note is ideal for my situation at the moment.

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Here's the difference between my comments and yours. I'm not an engineer and have no idea how practical the S-Pen is in an engineering environment. If the Note were meant exclusively for engineers Samsung wouldn't be offering it as a mass market device and would instead sell it through Samsung Business directly to the engineering field. Perhaps the small percentage of others here who are in engineering can have the debate you're looking for. The launch event tomorrow that's costing Samsung several hundred thousand dollars isn't for a product dedicated to engineering. Something to think about in your critique.
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Yep, I understand. I wasn't talking about engineering at the beginning, but multimedia part.
I read someone or even you talking about S-Pen to take notes, that's why I talked about my personal opinion : I take note with keyboard. But as denniegst said, it depends on our using. For the professional part, I think most of us would need keyboard, which is easier and faster, but you think S-Pen is better.
On the GNote 5", S-Note doesn't recognize everything, particularly when we have to write something fast. Is it improved ?
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I bought the Note for its performance over everything else. I had a Teg2 OG G-Tab and it was painfully slow and Nvidia not including NEON in the GPU made it horrible for video playback. These are the things that made me buy the Note:
1) CPU/GPU/RAM
2) Multi-view
3) Annotation
4) Taking notes in meetings
5) Exceptional web browsing
6) Samsung's audio and video codec support
7) Useful features like Awake Stay, Pop Up Play, AllShare Cast, and Buddy Photo
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Teg3 has been improved and it includes NEON now. We can watch 1080p videos even with the "Power Saving" mode, only the "companion processor" is on.
1) I understand, but other tablets are not so far right ?
2) I can understand it too, even if there are apps for it too (overskreen ...). That would be a great thing for TF700.
3) and 4) I disagree, but that's personal using. So I can understand (difficult but ok )
5) For me the web browsing is much comfortable with HD or Full HD. But maybe Samsung made a very good browser, I didn't see this part.
6) I don't see the difference, I can read everything.
7) These applications are not needed for me, or I can download similar on the markets.
8) This GNote10"1 is built with the same plastic as GNote 5" ?

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That would be a great thing for TF700.
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Are you here to discuss the Note or to reinforce your purchase of an Infinity? Other than the 1080P display, the Infinity is inferior in every way to the Note. The exception being the hard keyboard option if that's a deciding factor. That and perhaps gaming and not based on performance but the games that are designed and available specifically for Tegra. No matter how big an Asus fan anyone is you can't look at the forums on XDA and not draw the conclusion that some of their choices for materials and how they're assembled aren't questionable. My year-old OG G-Tab was dropped more times than I can count including tumbling down a flight of stairs. It looked as good as new up until the end. I'd love a 1080P display, unfortunately it wasn't available to me in a package I found desirable or worth premium pricing.
Are you ignoring the benchmarks on the first page? The Note trounces the Infinity and every other Teg3 tablet available by a wide margin. And it feels in everyday use exactly how the benchmarks reflect it. Until you use it you'll have no idea how much better it is at just about everything. I'll post some video of some more taxing stuff like watching HD video in a browser when I have time.

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I am a student-engineer, scientist field, and we were talking about this tablet with colleagues. We won't use a tablet for equation, diagrams or annotations. Definitely not, you are wrong. We tried to imagine, but a paper and a pen is much better for this. S-Pen won't help us, but it would slow down our note taking.
If we need to write a report, or an article, we won't use it either. On one hand, we use to work with a big resolution, then we can visualize all the document, make some modification easily. On the other hand, we are more effective with a keyboard. For example we use to be on computer with Word, and there already are very good stuffs for equations, diagrams... It's easy and "neat". We would use S-Pen for rough copy maybe, but again we were talking about take a stylo, and a paper.
I see S-Pen like this : "It is useless, then it is essential". I exaggerate. But a keyboard is very much better, we can't write something with S-Pen. Even with a stylo+paper, we are faster with a keyboard. A mouse and a keyboard are irreplaceable.
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I have no idea what kind of scientist you are but I write papers in Tex, and I think on a paper/pen. Switching to a digital tablet is invaluable for me.
I give a lot of presentations and they have a crap load of complex data flow diagrams. Not once have I felt comfortable making that stuff in power point. I use Visio for these diagrams and I import them into powerpoint. If I could make them on a digital tablet I'd personally be ecstatic.
Don't take it the wrong way, but if you think a big part of being an engineer is writing reports, you aren't a worthwhile engineer. Sometimes we have to write papers, sometimes we have to write reports but the big part of being an engineer or a scientist is thinking. And like I said, when I am brainstorming I can't do it with a keyboard.
Now clearly you are a lot smarter than I could ever be. Clearly. Good for you imo. But I am personally looking forward to the note 10.1 with baited breath.

Samsung Series 5 Hybrid (Ativ Smart PC) W8 tablet - Quick Review for Note 10.1 owners

Alright. I've been playing with a Series 5 hybrid for a couple of hours now. This is a quick review with 2 pictures showing both units together (sorry for the grain in the pictures; I'll take better ones with my DSLR once I have more time), since some of the Note 10.1 owners might be interested in this particular model due to the Wacom digitizer and the S-Pen. It costs $649 (Staples is selling it for $599 at the moment).
First of all, the built quality is great. Yes, it has the same polycarbonate back panel as Note 10.1 and it moves little bit if you press on it in the center (which is not part of the typical tablet use scenario), but it feels really solid and not flimsy. Probably little better than Note 10.1, due to the fact that the back is one piece and wraps around the screen nicely and having less plastic parts merging into each other creates less movement and creaks. The full glass front with the integrated speakers on each side works very well.
The Series 5 hybrid is definitely designed for a landscape use. It's too narrow and awkward if you hold it in portrait mode. The thickness is similar to Note 10.1 and it doesn't feel particularly heavier. It comes with a power block (very similar to what you get with laptops), so while traveling, that will add some extra weight.
The stylus is smaller than the one that comes with Note 10.1. (it's slightly chubbier), and it's white. I played with S-Note for a while and it works very similar to what we have on the Note. Palm rejection may not be as accurate as on the Note 10.1, because after writing few sentences, there were 3-4 small lines under my hand where it was resting on the screen.
As for the performance of the Atom, it feels perfectly fine for browsing, e-mail, etc. I haven't noticed any lag while navigating from screen to screen, but when installing programs, moving to something else took a bit extra. It includes a 64GB SSD, but out of the box it has 34GB free. The screen on the Note 10.1 is more brighter compared to Series 5. I would say the resolution is similar in terms of sharpness, pixellation, etc. Since the labels are a lot more smaller in the desktop mode (see below), you can see the pixels in the letters under icons.
Unfortunately, it doesn't come with a preview of Office 2013 that was going to be upgraded to full version when released (this was mentioned for RT devices, but I remember reading it somewhere for the X-86 tablets, as well). It doesn't include Office 2010 either (you have to buy/install it separately). Since office 2010 is not touch optimized, using the stylus is a must. From this aspect, it feels like it was rushed to meet the Windows 8 launch date. This is a mistake on Microsoft's and Samsung's part, because the X86 machines are marketed as "productivity oriented" models as opposed to the Windows RT models, and the lack of touch-optimized Office suite takes away from it significantly. You can use Office 2010 on it without any problems in terms of functionality, but it's not tablet/touch optimized, and you'll definitely need that stylus.
This is my first encounter with Windows 8, so part of the learning curve is due to Windows 8 itself. Although, it's very easy and enjoyable to use it in the tablet mode, I find myself hitting that "Desktop" tile and using it as a "regular" computer. Over time, I'll probably move away from this habit. Once you are at the Desktop, you become aware of what's running in the background and it's a full Windows on a 11.6" screen. I thought the navigation would be a problem without the stylus, but it works OK, even though things look a bit small. After spending few minutes with it, you immediately realize that you're in Windows territory (pop up windows from Norton, security update reminders, restart reminders after installing the updates, etc.).
As of know, it feels more like a "computer" rather than a "tablet" if that makes any sense. Until I spend about a week with both, I won't form any opinions. I wish Office 2013 was included, since it's one of the most important factors for people considering an X-86 based tablet.
Let me know if you have any questions. Once I have some time, I'll make a more detailed side-by-side comparison of both tablets and add some more pictures.
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Thanks, looks cool.
Yeah, I'm gonna wait for these to ripen in the marketplace for 6 months or so before I consider anything seriously. Once I do I will get either a 13.3" or 15" convertible ultrabook, 15" preferred and use it as a true laptop replacement.
As a tablet I would find having the tall skinny portrait mode disturbing I think. I greatly prefer holding my tablet in portrait mode for some reason.
Anyway, hope you enjoy it. So far sounds like you think it's ok but aren't blown away. I think that is the challenge W8 faces. For the premium price, people need to feel blown away. Even though the critics ripped the SGN10.1, users LOVED it and the device was saved, but if users themselves start giving weak reviews of the W8 tablets that will spell big trouble.

Thanks for the mini-review. Do you by chance have Photoshop? I'm curious how the Atom processor handles it.

It's bigger than I thought. I also never thought about what you mentioned in using it in portrait mode. Is Windows S-Note a program in the control panel and are Android and W8 S-Note's compatible? Being able to share my Note's S-Note's via the desktop would be huge for me. Play some HD movies and games on it. I'm curious to see how the new Atom holds up without a discrete GPU. By all means share your experiences. I and I'm sure others are interested.

thanks for the quick thoughts. I'm interested in the series 7 version of the tablet which should be similar but faster than this one.

fella1 said:
thanks for the quick thoughts. I'm interested in the series 7 version of the tablet which should be similar but faster than this one.
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Actually the series 7 (with core i3 /i5 ) isnt the same , it is thicker , larger and have ugly cooling fins at the back (core i5 gets really hot ) and they start at double the price (1500$ for WiFi only core i3 ) and the camera has no flash also
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mitchellvii said:
Thanks, looks cool.
Yeah, I'm gonna wait for these to ripen in the marketplace for 6 months or so before I consider anything seriously. Once I do I will get either a 13.3" or 15" convertible ultrabook, 15" preferred and use it as a true laptop replacement.
As a tablet I would find having the tall skinny portrait mode disturbing I think. I greatly prefer holding my tablet in portrait mode for some reason.
Anyway, hope you enjoy it. So far sounds like you think it's ok but aren't blown away. I think that is the challenge W8 faces. For the premium price, people need to feel blown away. Even though the critics ripped the SGN10.1, users LOVED it and the device was saved, but if users themselves start giving weak reviews of the W8 tablets that will spell big trouble.
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Yeah, I'm not blown away by it, for sure. It seems more and more that I'll be waiting for v2 as well.
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Thanks for the mini-review. Do you by chance have Photoshop? I'm curious how the Atom processor handles it.
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I'll install it later tonight and see what happens, but don't get your hopes up (see below).
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It's bigger than I thought. I also never thought about what you mentioned in using it in portrait mode. Is Windows S-Note a program in the control panel and are Android and W8 S-Note's compatible? Being able to share my Note's S-Note's via the desktop would be huge for me. Play some HD movies and games on it. I'm curious to see how the new Atom holds up without a discrete GPU. By all means share your experiences. I and I'm sure others are interested.
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Yes, it's definitely bigger than I thought as well, especially when you put the Note 10.1 on top of it. I like the overall design of the Series 5 better than the Note 10.1 (more streamlined and clean), but the portrait mode is really awkward. It might be good for taking long notes, but I can't see any other use for it. After reading your post, I tried to find a way to export the notes from the S-Notes, but the only option was jpeg. I'll look into the file structure and try to open them on Note 10.1. The S-Note is a program in the control panel. For some reason, the S-Note feels sluggish. Opening and saving notes take a bit longer than Note 10.1. For instance, the "S-Note tips" file took a while to load, and when opened, moving from page to page was very slow (i.e., "hit the right arrow, wait 2 seconds, page #2 is delivered, and so on for the remaining 5 pages). The exact same file on the Note 10.1 flies. In addition, there's no "page turn animation" on the Windows version.
I haven't played any games other than the Plants vs. Zombies that's included (trial version). By the way, the game played in its own window and there was no way to play it full screen, which was annoying.
One thing that I was really skeptical was the Atom processor, and unfortunately, it interferes with the usage of the tablet often enough to remind you that you are using a device with a slow processor. Just to test it out, while Windows update was running in the background, I started Windows Movie maker and imported 4, 3-4 minute long 720p files from my digital camera. It took a while to add the movies to the "Project" and once a timeline formed, I hit "Play" to preview the movie. The small video playback was stuttering. Then I hit the full screen button on the preview window, it was painful to watch the processor trying to keep up with background installation of updates and ongoing video playback. I tried the same thing without any background processes running; the small preview window was better, but full screen continued to stutter.
I'll keep testing it with some other tasks, but so far it seems underpowered.
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thanks for the quick thoughts. I'm interested in the series 7 version of the tablet which should be similar but faster than this one.
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Based on what I've observed so far, Series 7 might be a better choice for people who wants to have full Windows 8 in a tablet form. It won't be an option for me because of the weight, thickness and the price point. As long as you don't push the processor, Atom works fine for "general" stuff, but anything "extra" shows its shortcomings.

Hey man, really appreciate you going out of your way to give us this comparison, much welcomed
Hope im not out of line in asking, if its possible to get some of the things you've mentioned, on video, if its not a bother that is

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I tried to find a way to export the notes from the S-Notes.
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They're "snb" files (on the Android Samsung Note's). Use Astro or ES Explorer to upload them from your Note to Dropbox and see if the Ativ is able to open, read, and edit them. If it is, and there's a program in Control Panel, we should finally be able to use and edit S-Notes from the Note on a PC. I'm guessing the S-Note for W8 app is on the backup and restore CD. Thanks for the time you're spending on this.

Thanks for your quick review.
I'm considering this tablet.
Can you test some 1080p mkvs with the S Player?
How do other players (vlc,.....) work on this atom processor?

please test adobe illustrator CS5, Thank you very much.

Its has RT version of Windows CS5 or for that any other legacy windows applications will not work on it

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Its has RT version of Windows CS5 or for that any other legacy windows applications will not work on it
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No, it's running full Windows 8, and I already installed Adobe Design and Web Premium CS6.

BarryH_GEG said:
They're "snb" files (on the Android Samsung Note's). Use Astro or ES Explorer to upload them from your Note to Dropbox and see if the Ativ is able to open, read, and edit them. If it is, and there's a program in Control Panel, we should finally be able to use and edit S-Notes from the Note on a PC. I'm guessing the S-Note for W8 app is on the backup and restore CD. Thanks for the time you're spending on this.
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I copied one of the .snb files over to the W8 tablet. It's recognized as an S-Note file (the icon is the same), and if I double-tap on it, it attempts to launch the S-Note, but it never passes the "splash screen". If I launch S-Notes, minimize it, and double-tap on the .snb file from Note10.1, it maximizes S-Note, but it doesn't open it. It appears that they are not compatible. Furthermore, sorry for the misinformation; S-Notes is not under the "Uninstall Programs" list in control panel.
It would have been nice to share notes between platforms.

Onenote performance?
tenderidol,
Thank you so much for this comparison (I'm going to hit your thanks button quite a few times, I think ) I want to buy one of these tablets but don't want to decide until I know some more about the Atom performance. So if you have time (you get snowballed with requests, I'm sure) to install Office 2010 and test how OneNote inking performs in a big file (with quite some pictures inserted), a few pdf's open and internet explorer running in the background? I think there are many people interested in whether the Atom will be sufficient for notetaking in big files with some stuff in the background.
BTW, I read on another forum that some people use the extra length in portrait mode for multitasking: one window on top and the other below. Could be useful for copying-pasting things from internet explorer to notes. I think I would prefer 16:10 though.

I have an issue not offence ment to anyone but this forum is for Note and lately all I the post I see are about W8 tablets and nexus 10 to an extent we have reviews of W8 tablets being posted. Need the focus back

samir_a said:
I have an issue not offence ment to anyone but this forum is for Note and lately all I the post I see are about W8 tablets and nexus 10 to an extent we have reviews of W8 tablets being posted. Need the focus back
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Non taken. However, this thread is targeted towards people who currently own Note 10.1 and are -or may be- interested in the Ativ Smart PC due to its stylus, S-Pen and the productivity aspect of it that may not be present in Note 10.1 (e.g., full Office suite, legacy Windows programs, additional ports, etc). The way both tablets are designed, I won't be surprised if most people end up owning both for different purposes. No offense, but the content of these threads are very clear with their titles, and anyone who is not interested about the products being discussed can easily avoid them.

lord69 said:
Thanks for your quick review.
I'm considering this tablet.
Can you test some 1080p mkvs with the S Player?
How do other players (vlc,.....) work on this atom processor?
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I made some mkv movies and played them on the W8 tablet. S-Player did not open the file (it said it was unsupported). Cyberlink Power DVD (non-full, "light" edition) is pre-installed and played the movies perfectly fine without any stutter, sync issues or degradation in audio and/or video performance. Actually, I just played them from the USB stick without transferring to the internal memory. I installed VLC Media Player, and the movies were played without an issue with VLC player, too. I didn't try any other media players. Just to make it clear, I created the movies from my Blu-ray discs using MakeMKV without changing any settings.
As for the other requests, I'll try to answer everything. I already installed the Adobe Suite and will report back on the performance of Photoshop, Illustrator and Dreamweaver, soon. The next will be Office 2010 w/ OneNote (the pre-installed trial doesn't contain OneNote, so I need instal my own copy).

Again did not mean to offend you or anyone nor do i find it offending or bad its I feel that it would help in two ways there would many on this site who would want to know your review on Ativ and if you created a category they would have been able to do the same over here your audience is only limited to note owners secondly as a note owner I come to this thread to get information specific to note and if do others will start doing so and start posting reviews. Let me just give an example if everyone post about each and every tablet in market you will not find a post of not in pages and hence I feel its does not help.
Personally I like what you are doing because I would believe your review then that done by various so called tech sites as they are biased
Hope you understand the point i am trying to make and again this my personal feeling and I am expressing it and in no way forcing it on anyone

Thanks for all the great impressions! Sounds like the atom based unit is a little underpowered. Do you have any comics? I read those a lot on my note in portrait mode and wonder how they would look on the extra long portrait mode of the series 5.

I LOVE this tablet!

The first time I ever saw an iPad in person, I began to lust for one. Then, I bought my son an iPod Touch and we grew to despise iOS. So when I upgraded my old "feature phone" to a smart phone, I went Android. I loved it and never looked back. My first phone was a Samsung Captivate. When we switched from AT&T to Verizon, I got the Galaxy S3 (which I still have, but I'm suffering from S4 envy now!).
My first tablet was the original Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. I loved that tablet. After a couple years, I decided it was time for an upgrade and went with the Asus Transformer Infinity, mainly for the hardware keyboard (with extended battery, full size USB port, SD card reader, etc). What a piece of $#!+ that thing is! The keyboard will not stay attached to the tablet when folded shut. Physically, it feels flimsy and cheap. The battery life - even with the "extended" battery - was worse than my old Galaxy Tab. The thing was incredibly sluggish, slow, and crashed a lot. I tried several custom ROMs and that made things a *tad* better, but not really. Using it was an exercise in frustration.
So, I just picked up the new Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition. I LOVE this tablet! Very high quality build. It feels good and solid in my hands. The thing is FAST and performance (based on my user experience) is amazing! The S-Pen is fantastic and I love using it! (I just wish it worked on my S3!). I feel comfortable and at ease with a tablet again. No frustration at all anymore! This is everything a tablet should be! Even if I never install a custom ROM on it, I think I would still be extremely happy with it!
My only desire now is for Samsung to hurry up and release the Book Cover case for it.

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The first time I ever saw an iPad in person, I began to lust for one. Then, I bought my son an iPod Touch and we grew to despise iOS. So when I upgraded my old "feature phone" to a smart phone, I went Android. I loved it and never looked back. My first phone was a Samsung Captivate. When we switched from AT&T to Verizon, I got the Galaxy S3 (which I still have, but I'm suffering from S4 envy now!).
My first tablet was the original Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. I loved that tablet. After a couple years, I decided it was time for an upgrade and went with the Asus Transformer Infinity, mainly for the hardware keyboard (with extended battery, full size USB port, SD card reader, etc). What a piece of $#!+ that thing is! The keyboard will not stay attached to the tablet when folded shut. Physically, it feels flimsy and cheap. The battery life - even with the "extended" battery - was worse than my old Galaxy Tab. The thing was incredibly sluggish, slow, and crashed a lot. I tried several custom ROMs and that made things a *tad* better, but not really. Using it was an exercise in frustration.
So, I just picked up the new Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 Edition. I LOVE this tablet! Very high quality build. It feels good and solid in my hands. The thing is FAST and performance (based on my user experience) is amazing! The S-Pen is fantastic and I love using it! (I just wish it worked on my S3!). I feel comfortable and at ease with a tablet again. No frustration at all anymore! This is everything a tablet should be! Even if I never install a custom ROM on it, I think I would still be extremely happy with it!
My only desire now is for Samsung to hurry up and release the Book Cover case for it.
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Congrats. This is my first tablet I have ever owned, although a few people in my family own one. Because I started school again, most of my books are in PDF form and I started taking notes with the Note 2014. Taking notes has been really good, very easy to erase things and move equations around to other pages.
I'm very happy with this device and I'm finding new ways to integrate it into my life as the days go by.

The display is key, but the hardware needs to support it to avoid a laggy experience. This is why the Asus 700 and Nook HD+ suffer and is why I got the iPad 4.
The 2014 seems to be the first Android tablet to cover all bases without some significant caveat. Catch is the price. The pen function adds expense and I get why folks that need the function love it. I will not use it, so will wait for a price drop. Would have waited for the A701, but have read enough and seen enough issues with the Shield and Toshiba tablets to stay away.
The 2014 covers all the bases and has a key thing (sd slot) that I need.

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The display is key, but the hardware needs to support it to avoid a laggy experience. This is why the Asus 700 and Nook HD+ suffer and is why I got the iPad 4.
The 2014 seems to be the first Android tablet to cover all bases without some significant caveat. Catch is the price. The pen function adds expense and I get why folks that need the function love it. I will not use it, so will wait for a price drop. Would have waited for the A701, but have read enough and seen enough issues with the Shield and Toshiba tablets to stay away.
The 2014 covers all the bases and has a key thing (sd slot) that I need.
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When you do use the pen though, the price becomes worth it. The level of software they had to program into using the pen makes it worth it if you definitely need it.
But if you don't use it, then I guess you'll have to wait for the Galaxy Tab 4.

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Congrats. This is my first tablet I have ever owned, although a few people in my family own one. Because I started school again, most of my books are in PDF form and I started taking notes with the Note 2014. Taking notes has been really good, very easy to erase things and move equations around to other pages.
I'm very happy with this device and I'm finding new ways to integrate it into my life as the days go by.
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What do you use to annotate on books? I'd think s note would take forever to navigate through a large pdf.

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What do you use to annotate on books? I'd think s note would take forever to navigate through a large pdf.
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I have a large number of pdf books including numerous Adobe DRM protected books. I highly recommend Mantano reader from the play store. I have tge oremium version but there is bith avlight and standard version.
The premium version adds so much functionality it is insane. All highlights, nites and bookmarks you have made are visible together on an index page fir each b9ok so you can easily find everyvnote you have made on a book or every highlight.
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All highlights, nites and bookmarks you have made are visible together on an index page fir each b9ok so you can easily find everyvnote you have made on a book or every highlight.
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That's an awesome feature! I'm waiting for my Note and plan to use LectureNotes in class. While thinking about my workflow with it I thought that this 'indexing highliter' would be a really awesome feature. Does anybody know if LectureNotes has this functionality as well?

I'm not a mobile device guru or anything, but I have used a pretty decent variety of devices. My last two laptops were "convertibles" (the monitor flips around and folds over the keyboard to become a tablet). Currently a Dell XT3, previously a Fujitsu Lifebook. I delved into the "UMPC" world. I had a Samsung Q1 for a while and also thoroughly tested the Black Diamond Switchback, OQO Model 2, and others for my previous job.
The S-Pen is not a mere stylus like what came with all the other devices I've used. One of my favorite features is the ability to toggle it so the touch screen does not recognize my hand. I can finally rest my hand on the display while using the pen without weird things happening. It's a small thing, but really big for me.

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I use ezPDF and take a snapshot of whatever I need in my notes. Then I paste it in and do stuff there. If anyone else has a better of of doing things, please let me know.

@The_Maverick: There is no `indexing highlighter´ in LectureNotes, I am sorry.

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@The_Maverick: There is no `indexing highlighter´ in LectureNotes, I am sorry.
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Thanks for letting me know. It's probably no big deal, I haven't figured out my workflow yet anyway. But could you imagine implementing this somewhere down the road?
The scenario that I have in mind is the following: Whenever there is a definition in my lecture slides (currently in paper form), I highlight the name of what's being defined with a specific marker color. That way I can easily skim through my notes when I'm looking for a certain definition. Switching to the Note/LectureNotes, I thought it'd be really cool if all my highlighted definitions would show up on one central page as bookmarks/links, making it even easier to find what I'm looking for.
Anyway, I should probably not be making feature requests before ever really having used the app.
Thanks for being such a responsive developer!

@The_Maverick: LectureNotes allows to attach keywords to notebook pages and creates a table of contents and an index from that (either for individual notebooks, for all notebooks in a folder, and for all notebooks on the notebooks board). This is the second part of the suggested functionality, the first part where highlighted material becomes a keyword is missing, you need to type the keyword manually.

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@The_Maverick: LectureNotes allows to attach keywords to notebook pages and creates a table of contents and an index from that (either for individual notebooks, for all notebooks in a folder, and for all notebooks on the notebooks board). This is the second part of the suggested functionality, the first part where highlighted material becomes a keyword is missing, you need to type the keyword manually.
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Cool. Thanks for the help. I'm definitely looking forward to using LectureNotes. It's the biggest incentive for me to get the Note.

I mainly bought this for the great screen, multitasking, and the SD Card slot...but I must say that I have been surprisingly happy with the S-pen and all the functionality it brings! I wish I would have had this while in college.
I also wish the S-pen would work with my S3. The Note phones are all too big for me, so we'll see what the S5 will bring. I highly doubt it, but it'd be awesome if the S5 could use the S-pen too (even if it didn't come with one).

I used to think the Notes were too big, but after using one for awhile it seems rather normal. I think because they slimmed down the 3 a bit it's not bad.
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Just wondering why everyone does not just use S Note which is built in to the device for all your note taking needs

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Just wondering why everyone does not just use S Note which is built in to the device for all your note taking needs
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LectureNotes is much more customizable. It's quite possibly the most perfect note taking app that exists anywhere, including Windows, Android, or iOS.
The ONLY thing I wish it had is the ability to add an expandable sticky note to either notes or PDF's I'm annotating.

@han solo
and maybe it would be great if the Lecture Notes UI would move somewhere near the Android HOLO conventions... been using Lecture Notes for a long time now and I still keep forgetting where which menu item is hiding.
Otherwise, good app.

@Ulukaii1983: I try to keep functionality organized in a meaningful way, but I am always open for specific suggestions (in fact, I have moved several menu items following user suggestions).

@acadoid:
Hey many thanks for your reply! Glad that you still find the time to read the opinions about your app.
If you don't mind, I would post some UI recommendations in your other thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1870639&page=167
... but I please give me a little bit time to make some valuable recommendations.

Is the Note Pro 12.2 for Me?

I'm in the market for a tablet (or possibly a Chromebook). I'm an editor of a website and need to be able to use it to work on my Wordpress site effectively so strong browser support and keyboard input is crucial.
I like the idea of an Android tablet as I own a Galaxy S4 and have a large collection of Android apps already. Thus, it would also start out with a nice collection of apps.
I'm a bit unclear as to the differences between the Tab Pro 12.2 and the Note Pro 12.2. They seem very alike except for the stylus. Clearly I'm missing something as that's not much to account for the price difference.
I have an iPad 2 and it's nice but I can't really work on it at all. It's too small to enjoy movies on and, sorry, it's Apple so it's too limited.
I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
I'm older so larger is better for my eyes. I'm at a point where I often pretty much need reading glasses for my S4 now.
For ages I was thinking I wanted a Transformer of some design but Asus seems to have fallen behind. Samsung seems to give me lots of potential breathing room.
Any input greatly appreciated. Thanks.

I'm pretty sure the Note Pro and Tab Pro are identical except for the S-Pen and wacom digitizer that powers it. Absolutely if you don't need pen input for notes or drawing then get the Tab.
You can use just about any Bluetooth keyboard with the Pro 12.2. I've had no trouble with several Logitech and Microsoft BT keyboards. I haven't used any of the made-for Note 12.2 keyboards.
My personal fave keyboard is the Logitech K810. It feels excellent for typing, has backlit keys and can instantly switch between 3 different devices.Its very quiet too- keys feel really nice.
Honestly though, if you really want the best laptop style experience, personally I'd opt for a decent lightweight x86 laptop vs a tablet. I'm not crazy about chromebooks though. I'd personally take the Note 12.2 over a chromebook any day, but that's just me.

Thanks. I keep thinking about a laptop but wonder about battery life, weight and the lack of instant-on, etc. I have my desktop always on so x86 isn't a problem. I saw the Tab Pro 12.2 at Best Buy today (they didn't have the Note Pro 12.2) and the size was fine.
However, on your keyboard issue. My concern is that I would like it to be connected so that it can act as a solid laptop replacement. It sounds like you use yours, say, around the house? Not sure how comfortable I'd be transporting two devices like that.

Years ago I'd loathe the thought of converting to Mac but I gotta tell ya, the retina macbook pros are pretty sweet in regards to battery life and instant on . . .
Agree with Zaptoons. Mobile platforms are always a compromise. I have to wonder if you'll be able to do the Wordpress work on Android, though I do see that there are apps for it.

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Years ago I'd loathe the thought of converting to Mac but I gotta tell ya, the retina macbook pros are pretty sweet in regards to battery life and instant on . . .
Agree with Zaptoons. Mobile platforms are always a compromise. I have to wonder if you'll be able to do the Wordpress work on Android, though I do see that there are apps for it.
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On the Mac, that might be a bit out of the price range for this purchase. I also really despise Apple on too many fronts. I recommend them highly and readily -- just not for me so far, but I will continue to refresh the thinking.
On Wordpress work, it really comes down to the capability of the browser. As long as it supports a solid browser experience, I should be okay. I hit Best Buy today to see if the 12.2 would be "too big" and it wasn't. I loaded the browser and it seemed to be solid. I just wasn't comfortable logging into Wordpress though. No idea about stored accounts, etc.

I hear you on the mac.
Definition of solid performance is subjective, you realize that right?
Let's put it this way; unless there's a tablet specific application to do what you need to on wordpress then nothing other than screen size is going to differ between the Note Pro and your s4. The browsers are going to be about the same.
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Leading up to the launch of the Note Pro 12.2 I was eager to get one. Then I stopped by Best Buy and, on a whim, picked up the Acer C720P Chromebook. For a third the cost it doesn't have as big, high resolution or bright of a screen as the Note Pro but it has served me well for everything I need in a mobile device. I even stopped using my Note 10.1 OG. Notice I said mobile device. The Acer has typically given me a solid 7 hours of batter life which is amazing.
Having said that...if you are worried about needing reading glasses and want more screen real estate, the Note Pro might be your path. Though, with a higher resolution type is smaller at normal zoom. You can simply zoom in for bigger text.
If WordPress is your thing, the Chromebook will handle that with no issues. It is a browser afterall.
I'm still contemplating the Note Pro but it is not at the top of my wish list since I purchased the Chromebook. At first it was weird to get used to but it is second nature now and the added offline support for most of the Google apps has sealed the deal for me.
Just my two cents.

Again, great info from all. My thoughts:
1. I haven't had good luck with Android Wordpress apps. To me, they're all a kludge. However, that doesn't mean you can't be productive with Wordpress on Android. The limitation on my S4 is real estate. The browser seems to work fine but I can't be effective with the size of the screen or the keyboard. I suspect a larger screen would work. In part I was hoping I'd get lucky and find another Wordpress user who happened to have luck (or no luck) on this device or a similar one.
2. I have a bit of a klunky Chromebook. A while back I installed Chrome on a eePC -- an entry level Asus T100 or something like that. It's a horrible piece of HARDWARE. I have zero issues with the OS itself and it feels very natural to me. However, I have this haunting feeling that Chrome itself is becoming a dinosaur. As Android continues to prosper, it's dwarfing Chrome to such a point that, I suspect, Android will evolve into being an OS we can use on any device. Maybe I'm missing something entirely about its potential, but that's my thinking. There isn't much going on in the development world for it compared to Android where there's exponentially more options.
Right now, having seen it, I'm concerned about ease of keyboard use (physical). Given the top-heavy design of the tablet having most of the weight, using it on my lap looks pretty impossible. The right keyboard seems an issue too. Samsung's has those raised edges that, I suspect my wrists will want to sit on (ouch). Logitech's keyboard sounds great except for the fact that most of the reviews of it contain horror stories of the Note Pro falling out of its clasps. The other options are all poorly reviewed.
Asus has the combo Android/Windows device but its not all that impressive. Heck, I'd rather it was an Android/Chrome device. hehe

It also appears as if the hybrid options from Asus are cancelled due to pressure from both Google and Microsoft. hehe Neither their Duet or Trio looked all that impressive (lousy battery life, Android 4.2, low resolution, average screens).

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I'm in the market for a tablet (or possibly a Chromebook). I'm an editor of a website and need to be able to use it to work on my Wordpress site effectively so strong browser support and keyboard input is crucial.
I like the idea of an Android tablet as I own a Galaxy S4 and have a large collection of Android apps already. Thus, it would also start out with a nice collection of apps.
I'm a bit unclear as to the differences between the Tab Pro 12.2 and the Note Pro 12.2. They seem very alike except for the stylus. Clearly I'm missing something as that's not much to account for the price difference.
I have an iPad 2 and it's nice but I can't really work on it at all. It's too small to enjoy movies on and, sorry, it's Apple so it's too limited.
I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
I'm older so larger is better for my eyes. I'm at a point where I often pretty much need reading glasses for my S4 now.
For ages I was thinking I wanted a Transformer of some design but Asus seems to have fallen behind. Samsung seems to give me lots of potential breathing room.
Any input greatly appreciated.
Which way did u decide to go? I'd love to know your thoughts!
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The only difference is the stylus really. If you plan to be taking this to meetings or digitize any part of your handwriting, then the NOTE pro is the device to get, as the TAB pro has no stylus and thus does not specialize itself in taking handwritten notes. I got the wifi version, im satisfied, although probably the LTE snapdragon version may be slightly snappier. If samsung decides to offer some decent customer support in terms of software then overall this will be a good buy. Other than thati find battery life great. I havent used keyboards yet, however if you plan to be using this at a desk u will find the extra screen size v v useful vs the 10 inches. If u plan to be holding it in bed a lot, it could get some time to get used to,but i did. Multi window is v useful in making the experience more windows like and enhances productivity. Browser support is good but not quite the pc levels yet.
You could not investigate surface pro 3 vs this one.
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The only difference is the stylus really. If you plan to be taking this to meetings or digitize any part of your handwriting, then the pro is the device to get.
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They both are called Pro. You meant to say Note Pro if using S pen for note taking. I think there is also difference in RAM, Note Pro has 3Gb, Tab Pro has 2.

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They both are called Pro. You meant to say Note Pro if using S pen for note taking. I think there is also difference in RAM, Note Pro has 3Gb, Tab Pro has 2.
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Edited and clarified. Thanks
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I'm also wondering about keyboards. If I got this way, should I get the Samsung keyboard, Logitech keyboard or some other keyboard? I'd like to find a very responsive keyboard. It would be an additional boon if it were also pretty quiet. My GF gets disturbed by late night typing on my desktop gaming keyboard.
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I went with the Note Pro 12.2. I'm very glad I did. Here are same random observations:
1. It's not quite as "polished" as an iPad but it is more flexible in use. I'll take that any day.
2. The size is excellent. Very good for watching a film at the airport, etc.
3. Google seems to be the worst thing about the device. Limitations I find all lead to them at the end. For example, Chrome (the browser) is a cheap imitation of its cousins on PC and Chromebooks. It doesn't do spell checking well, it has odd bugs like opening tabs by using the keyboard. Hit CTRL-T and you'll have to sometimes do it twice to get a new tab and then you get two. Google also doesn't give devs a way to re-assign mouse buttons should you use a bluetooth mouse for a bit of laptop-replacement work. That gets a bit strange as the right mouse button doesn't bring up options (like you get when you hold a screen link or item on the touchscreen) but instead acts like the back button on the device. Doh.
4. The keyboards are all a mixed bag. The Zagg is okay but has annoying raised corners than your hands sit on when typing and its also a bit cheap feeling and not very responsive. The Samsung keyboard isn't really a case. It's more like a snap-on cover that's entirely unconnected when used as a keyboard It just lets the tablet sit at an angle in it which makes it tough to use in bed, for example. It also has the same terrible raised corners. The Logitech is the best of the lot. Quiet, well laid-out and robust. However, it too has its own had-banging issues. You can't reassign its macro keys so if you use a different mail app, tough. Hitting the Mail button will bring up Gmail. The Browser button has an annoying bug that forces you to ALWAYS select which browser you'd like to use no matter how many times you "set the default browser". It also lacks the keyboard app Logitech provides for ALL their other similar keyboards including one made for the Tab 10.1. Go figure. Their own support reps don't even understand this.
Regardless, I'm an old quality assurance professional so I can be very opinionated and a perfectionist so this is a very short list of gripes from me. I still wouldn't own anything else given what I've tried and seen. Very happy customer so far. Having access to all my Android apps is great. I just wish Google would look at Android as a complete OS and stop limiting it to just a hand-held-type OS. Give it a FULL version of Chrome. In fact, just dump the fairly useless Chromium OS and put your efforts into this.

Great info!
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I went with the Note Pro 12.2. I'm very glad I did. Here are same random observations:
1. It's not quite as "polished" as an iPad but it is more flexible in use. I'll take that any day.
2. The size is excellent. Very good for watching a film at the airport, etc.
3. Google seems to be the worst thing about the device. Limitation I find all find them at the end. For example, Chrome (the browser) is a cheap imitation of its cousins on nearly the PC and Chrome books. It doesn't do spell checking well, it has odd bugs like opening tabs by using the keyboard. Hit CTRL-T and you'll have to sometimes do it twice to get a new tab and then you get two. Google also doesn't give devs a way to re-assign mouse buttons should you use a bluetooth mouse for a bit of laptop-replacement work. That gets a bit strange as the right mouse button doesn't bring up options (like you get when you hold a screen link or item on the touchscreen) but instead acts like the back button on the device. Doh.
4. The keyboards are all a mixed bag. The Zagg is okay but has annoying raised corners than your hands sit on when typing and its also a bit cheap feeling and not very responsive. The Samsung keyboard isn't really a case. It's more like a snap-on cover that's entirely unconnected when used as a keyboard It just lets the tablet sit at an angle in it which makes it tough to use in bed, for example. It also has the same terrible raised corners. The Logitech is the best of the lot. Quiet, well laid-out and robust. However, it too has its own had-banging issues. You can't reassign its macro keys so if you use a different mail app, tough. Hitting the Mail button will bring up Gmail. The Browser button has an annoying bug that forces you to ALWAYS select which browser you'd like to use no matter how many times you "set the default browser". It also lacks the keyboard app Logitech provides for ALL their other similar keyboards including one made for the Tab 10.1. Go figure. Their own support reps don't even understand this.
Regardless, I'm an old quality assurance professional so I can be very opinionated and a perfectionist so this is a very short list of gripes from me. I still wouldn't own anything else given what I've tried and see. Very happy customer so far. Having access to all my Android apps is great. I just wish Google would look at Android as a complete OS and stop limiting it to just a hand-held-type OS. Give it a FULL version of Chrome. In fact, just dump the fairly useless Chromium OS and put your efforts into this.
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Awesome information! Thanks for taking the time to share your impressions. I'm having a difficult time pulling the trigger on this purchase (why??) and your opinion helps a bunch! Thanks again!