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Galaxy Note 10.1 vs Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet

Hello all,
I currently work with a Lenovo Thinkpad tablet (for about a year now) and as far as productivity is concerned it is great. The pen helps greatly for marking up drawings, making drawings, photo editing, etc. The problem with this tab however is that it is slow, buggy and poorly constructed. Has anyone compared these two? Here are some of the problems I have with the Thinkpad tablet that I hope were corrected with the the Note 10.1:
1) Start up is slow. 3-5 seconds to let me put in my pink to unlock the tablet.
2) Shoddy Construction. The power button has broken twice.
3) Pen is jumpy. I will be sketching and the pen will just stop writing occasionally and won't start again until I write on a different portion of the screen.
4) Slow. Internet browsing is slow, large PDFs search slowly.
I love and need the pen to work. My TPT was out of commission for 3-4 days and I suffered through it realizing that phones and iPads don't cut it (my wife has an iPad) for productivity. Can any other business professionals (or students) let me know how it's been? Also has anyone tested Quill on it yet? That's my favorite note taking application.
Also are the pens different in any way? Wacom vs active digitizer? This was something I'd always wondered as well, if pens on the upscale windows tabs were different than the one on the Flyer, TPT and now Note 10.1.

Well the tablet is not slow by any means and the pen is not jumpy and it seems pretty well constructed no screen bleed or creaking anywhere. You should get one from amazon or best buy to try out and if you don't like it just return it. Can't answer your question about the digitizer though I have no idea. But it works well for what it is.
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j_ambitious said:
1) Start up is slow. 3-5 seconds to let me put in my pink to unlock the tablet.
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I came from an OG G-Tab 10.1. All the original Teg2 tablets were slow. I'm not sure if you mean boot time or time for the lock screen to display after you hit the power button when the device is sleeping. If it's the latter it's pretty much instantaneous. From pressing restart until the lock screen appeared took 42 seconds.
2) Shoddy Construction. The power button has broken twice.
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Samsung tablets are built like tanks. There's a thread showing the Note torn down. You'll see its pretty well put together.
3) Pen is jumpy. I will be sketching and the pen will just stop writing occasionally and won't start again until I write on a different portion of the screen.
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All other Anroid tablets have capacitive displays. The Note is inductive with a Wacom digitizer and palm rejection. It's an apples to oranges comparison.
4) Slow. Internet browsing is slow, large PDFs search slowly.
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Coming from a Teg2 device you'll be blown away. The browsing experience is near desktop quality.

I am a former Lenovo Thinkpad owner - after my first android tablet experience on the transformer prime, I found that the capacitative stylus allowed me nowhere near the amount of precision that I would be allowed with an active digitizer. Thus, I made the switch to the Lenovo Thinkpad based on the android community consensus that although the tablet didn't offer much, it did offer decent handwriting input via the integrated n-trig system. However, I soon got rid of it because I ran into many of the same problems you did. Having heard the news that a new tablet with an active digitizer was released, the Galaxy Note 10.1, I sprung $500 for it 3 days ago - the difference between the Thinkpad and the Note is night and day in all aspects. If you are on the fence, give it a try. I got mine at best buy knowing that they offer 30 day returns. Right now it is looking like I am keeping it.
You seem to have about all of the questions that I have had on my road to the Note; I'll try to answer them as best I can keeping in mind you are a thinkpad owner.
1) Start-up is FAST. Reboots are no problem. Unlocking the screen is quick as any modern android device.
2) This thing is beautifully constructed - slim and sexy. The Thinkpad is so bulky to me. You won't be replacing any parts on the Note - I'm fairly positive they're all staying in place
3) The stylus response, arguably the most important aspect in a Galaxy Note review, is magnificent. The pressure sensitivity is right on. As an added bonus, the integrated software, S Note, does a great job at capturing the Note's potential for taking notes. Just look up a youtube video of its features. I am currently taking good looking notes at near the speed of pen and paper ( it takes a little practice, as writing on any new medium might, to get precise with it). One thing you may be used to with the Thinkpad is the clicky clacky sound it makes against the tablet screen. The Note's stylus is very quiet.
4) It is a pretty fast tablet. Never have had a problem multitasking or handling large pdf's and a little more. For example; I am taking organic chemistry and I solely rely on the etextbook which is easily a 500 page pdf file. On top of this, I multitask with S Note either to the side or under it, copying information from the text to my note almost seamlessly. Minimal page lag for such a large file. Take note of the hardware - the note has 2GB Ram and a quadcore processor. It is going to be an improvement over the dated thinkpad tablet.
As for quill, I have not tried it yet. However, I have used S Note, Papyrus, and Lecture Notes thus far. S Note is wonderful for all of its features and that it can multitask in the OS. Papyrus has wonderful input, especially for sensing how hard you are pressing down and writing very accurately. But ultimately, S Note does the trick for me right now (Papyrus is missing a few key features at this stage in its development, but try it out if/when you get a Note tablet because it displays some things that the tablet really is capable of doing).
The stylus itself is much smaller than the Thinkpad stylus. Here it is really a matter of preference: to me it feels great in the hand. From what I hear, they sell accessory styli which have some sort of imbedded eraser but I don't know much about this. The Note stylus has a single button which in my opinion is a little bit to easy to accidentally touch, but this doesn't both me. So far the only use I have made of it is to take screenshots.
I should note that I actually prefer using the Note Stylus to navigate through the OS. It allows me a great deal of precision in clicking links that on other tablets I would have first had to pinch and zoom to accurately select. I even like typing with it, as the Note offers a smaller optional keyboard which is just the right size for accurately selecting what you want to type with it.
Like the Thinkpad, there is an integrated silo for putting the stylus in. It fits sleekly in the corner of the device.
As far as Wacom vs N-Trig, what I know is that they are similar technologies. Wacom is a little older, and has the reputation of being further along in its development. Don't discriminate on a tablet because it has one or the other technology - sometimes wacom is better; sometimes n-trig is better. You can't quantify which is better based on their name, but by how well they are implemented in the technology. You can easily say that you want to stay away from a capacitative system on a tablet, but you can't say you want to stay away from either ntrig or wacom because they are basically the same technology (active digitizers), to my understanding.
Lastly I should mention some things you haven't asked about.
- The speakers are some of the best I have found on any similar tablet ( they are front facing)
- The camera quality seems to be pretty much consistent with other competing tablets. Not the best, but not bad at all.
- The screen resolution is something people have griped about, but I think they screen looks beautiful personally. Sure it isn't ipad or tf infinity resolution, but it looks really good to me. On a scale of 1-5, it gets a 4 on the screen to me. Such a minor tradeoff for such accurate stylus recognition.
Above all, do your research before purchasing. As a student and casual artist, it fits my needs - like any technology it is going to make you wish you had something a little more. The Thinkpad let you do things no other android tablet could do at the time when it came out. The same can be said for the Note, but in so much more of a great way.

mt6272 said:
One thing you may be used to with the Thinkpad is the clicky clacky sound it makes against the tablet screen. The Note's stylus is very quiet.
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Hm. Mine is exactly like that -- "clicky clacky." Any of the pen tips depress a little bit if you press on it and it results in that constant clicking sound when using it. Is that normal? It's the only disappointment I've found as the pen on my Note phone is quiet just like you said.
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I also have a Thinkpad Tablet and the SGN10.1.
While satisfied with the TPT and used it alot, the biggest reason I got the SGN was the TPT pen was too painful to use for long periods of time. The loose nib interfered with pressure accuracy and physical feedback and was very noisy.
The TPT tablet N-Trig pen is positionally more accurate than the SGN Wacom pen due to it's technology using direct contact between the pen and screen grid.
But the Wacom uses radio waves, like phased array radar, I think. If you draw lines with a ruler, you'll see distortions near the edges of the screen:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
This is due to the Wacom radio waves being distorted by the metal LCD frame and other electronics. (And also why the other wacom tablets have such wide borders around them.)
Generally, this isn't a problem if you keep your art near the middle of the screen, but you will see the pen 'jump' or swerve in these areas.
(I used to have the Asus EeeSlate (EP121), which was horrible for pen accuracy and latencies. Asus support pointed to Wacom and visa versa. Frustrated, I sold it and got the TPT.)
The SGN comes with 2 types of nibs. The black one has some screen resistance and seems softer, while the white ones glide with little resistance. So, it's nice to have better physical feedback for better hand/eye coordination.
These nibs are smaller and shorter than the standard Wacom pen nibs. Other Pen-Enabled pens will work here, but they have longer nibs and are inaccurate when tilted.
FWIW, benchmarks comparing the Nvidia Tegra-3 with the Samsung Exynos Quad Core are here: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=samsung_odroidx&num=1 The ODROID-X board has the same CPU as the SGN10.1.
(I also have the dual core Exynos and Tegra-2 development boards. The dual core Exynos and Tegra-2 perform about the same, both are 1GHz.)
Overall, I'm happier with the SGN because I'm more comfortable sketching with it.
EDIT: TPT Jumpy Pen - I see this a lot in Sketchbook Pro. It could be an app slowing down the input processes. But I did notice that the SGN cursor will move/update while SBP was choking on short strokes/tiny circles.
EDIT 2: GPS did not work on TPT, but works great on SGN10.1...

I have also a Lenovo TPT and I am only reading about the GN10.1.
For me it seems the only pros for the TPT are:
+ Full USB-Port
+ Full SD-Card Slot
+ Micro USB to connect quick to a PC or other Tablet
+ Micro HDMI out
+ Hardware Buttons (If you get root for fullscreen)
- Pen sometimes not working when palm rested, I need a glove for having no problems
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++ Robust and good easy to hold surface on its back
Big pros for GN10.1:
++ Speed CPU
++ Speed GPU
++ Loud Speakers
+ lighter
+ flash
and the rest better or equal with the TPT
(I bet there are even more things, please tell if you know more)
ed.:
GPS works for me with the TPT 3G version, but takes sometimes 3 minutes until the first lock
ed.3: (wifi and 3g off, no support for the gps from there)...
ed.2:
The problems with the Buttons, GPS with wifi only, dust under the screen (at least under mine) are of course big cons for the TPT
and I guess the GN10.1 will be better there, but imo its still to early to say "all works fine" with GN10.1.

j_ambitious said:
Hello all,
I currently work with a Lenovo Thinkpad tablet (for about a year now) and as far as productivity is concerned it is great. The pen helps greatly for marking up drawings, making drawings, photo editing, etc. The problem with this tab however is that it is slow, buggy and poorly constructed. Has anyone compared these two? Here are some of the problems I have with the Thinkpad tablet that I hope were corrected with the the Note 10.1:
1) Start up is slow. 3-5 seconds to let me put in my pink to unlock the tablet.
2) Shoddy Construction. The power button has broken twice.
3) Pen is jumpy. I will be sketching and the pen will just stop writing occasionally and won't start again until I write on a different portion of the screen.
4) Slow. Internet browsing is slow, large PDFs search slowly.
I love and need the pen to work. My TPT was out of commission for 3-4 days and I suffered through it realizing that phones and iPads don't cut it (my wife has an iPad) for productivity. Can any other business professionals (or students) let me know how it's been? Also has anyone tested Quill on it yet? That's my favorite note taking application.
Also are the pens different in any way? Wacom vs active digitizer? This was something I'd always wondered as well, if pens on the upscale windows tabs were different than the one on the Flyer, TPT and now Note 10.1.
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Well, I also have the TPT and I'm already considering selling my ThinkPad. I find everything to be better. That said, I may have gotten a Lenovo Lemon. It's going into repair for the final straw that broke my resolve - the back button fell off and cannot be reattached.
All things considered, I rate the GNote very highly. If you're going to do art on it, that's something I can't help with.
I used Quill, works great. I also tested Lecture Notes, Papayrus Beta, Color Notes, almost any note you can think of. Love the inking, my friend. LOVE it. The feel of the stylus is different, it's true, but I now prefer it. And, it's very quiet when writing.
GNote is light weight, but doesn't feel cheap. Looks good, both colors, tho' I prefer the gray. Speakers ROCK!, and I know you know what I mean, when talking about the TPT. Worst speakers ever there. Camera actually delivers sharp images, even the it's only a 5MP vs. Lenovo's 8MP.
Browsing for me is slow, but that's where I live and the provider I have. It's quite snappy to do all things. I've found no lag or force closes, except from Dolphin. LOL Some things never change.
All I can say is that Samsung did a great job with this tablet. It's no beast, like the TPT. If you drop it I'm sure you'll pay the price, but the screen, resolution, are all comparable. Very happy here.
ETA - GPS works! Less than a second and it was locked. That' Russian add-on, that I can't remember the name of, really works.

Sounds good
My TPT will also go to the repair-centre and if there are still problems I will get rid of it.
Good point with the robustness and i forgot also the "good grip" surface on the back of the TPT.
But with a good case for the Note in future, it will be protected and ready for carrying it to university, school or meeting etc...
(Did you try to get a GPS signal without 3G or Wifi support with the GN10.1? It can download additional data for getting its location quicker..)

There is a new Update on the Lenovo TPT which seems to fix the Pen-Problem.
If that is true I will keep it
( Working fine for its money and got enough connectors)

toenail_flicker said:
Well, I also have the TPT and I'm already considering selling my ThinkPad. I find everything to be better. That said, I may have gotten a Lenovo Lemon. It's going into repair for the final straw that broke my resolve - the back button fell off and cannot be reattached.
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I think the whole line was lemons. And the whole line never was backed with intention of responsive software/Android OS support either. I'm getting ready to sell mine this week because the GNote blows it out of the water in every meaningful way. The only leg the TPT has up on the GNote in my opinion is the full-sized ports, but ultimately there are work-arounds.
As a note of irony, the comparisons of the TPT to the GNote on the Lenovo.com hosted TPT forum have reached the point where the moderators are closing the threads, deleting threads, censoring posts which praise the GNote (without indicating that the moderators edited them), and telling users to talk about it on Samsung's or other vendors forums. The irony is that seems Lenovo's support team is borrowing a page from the Chinese government on information control.
Here's a link to the Lenovo forum for the TPT, but the "subversive" threads have already been deleted. Sigh.
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/bd-p/Thinkpad_slate
JCHP

Ditto, sad that it's come to this. We can't mention the Gnote anymore on that forum.
Guess they realized that it's a lost battle.

404Science said:
Ditto, sad that it's come to this. We can't mention the Gnote anymore on that forum.
Guess they realized that it's a lost battle.
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Hey, 404. Good to see you here.
I took a screenshot this morning of your post about the "Crackdown," and my response, as I suspected it would be soon deleted. I was right! I was thinking we should start referring to the GNote on that forum as "Tablemort," or "The tablet which must not be named."
JC

jchammerpants said:
I think the whole line was lemons. And the whole line never was backed with intention of responsive software/Android OS support either.
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How can you that know from only getting feedback from one forum, where not all users are able or want to write less the ones without problems?
What do you know about if and which improvments are made with the newer production versions of the TPT?
I dont know it, and I dont know how to find out.
You?

jchammerpants said:
As a note of irony, the comparisons of the TPT to the GNote on the Lenovo.com hosted TPT forum have reached the point where the moderators are closing the threads, deleting threads, censoring posts which praise the GNote (without indicating that the moderators edited them), and telling users to talk about it on Samsung's or other vendors forums. The irony is that seems Lenovo's support team is borrowing a page from the Chinese government on information control.
Here's a link to the Lenovo forum for the TPT, but the "subversive" threads have already been deleted. Sigh.
http://forums.lenovo.com/t5/ThinkPad-slate-tablets/bd-p/Thinkpad_slate
JCHP
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Yeah, I saw that. Pretty anti free speech. I'm always on the mods nerve, anyway. I'm lucky they haven't banned me. I was on their nerve before the issues started showing up, because of the free speech thing.

splotz said:
How can you that know from only getting feedback from one forum, where not all users are able or want to write less the ones without problems?
What do you know about if and which improvments are made with the newer production versions of the TPT?
I dont know it, and I dont know how to find out.
You?
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Hmmm... you make some interesting points.
But as for me, I still think the whole line was lemons. And the whole line never was backed with intention of responsive software/Android OS support either.
JC

FWIW, I think the only ones who wouldn't think the whole line was lemons, are those who don't own the GN. Once I tried the Note I was shocked at just how bad the TPT experience was.

toenail_flicker said:
FWIW, I think the only ones who wouldn't think the whole line was lemons, are those who don't own the GN. Once I tried the Note I was shocked at just how bad the TPT experience was.
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Did you find out if newer versions are fixed?

jchammerpants said:
Hey, 404. Good to see you here.
I took a screenshot this morning of your post about the "Crackdown," and my response, as I suspected it would be soon deleted. I was right! I was thinking we should start referring to the GNote on that forum as "Tablemort," or "The tablet which must not be named."
JC
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Haha, I just read that and posted something earlier along those lines. I was totally thinking of Voldemort.
We should post a photo with the TPT on a gravestone.
So I've got my Gnote and I am a happy man. 30 mins to get up and running with all my old apps and dropbox sync.
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Ezpdf is sooo smooth on this device!!!
I'm speechless... This is what the TPT was supposed to be!
Even LectureNotes works smoothly. I was so slow on the TPT!

toenail_flicker said:
FWIW, I think the only ones who wouldn't think the whole line was lemons, are those who don't own the GN. Once I tried the Note I was shocked at just how bad the TPT experience was.
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What he said!!!!:good:

Wow these Note II features are AMAZING!

Check out the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DcgZum8M1o&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I assume we will be getting these as well in our software update since the Note II is only slightly more powerful. If so Im excited.
If we dont get these updates in our new device I'm going to want to know why.
These new features are far far far more powerful and cool than anything on our current firmware.
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I also hope that we will get these features on the Note 10.1 with the JB update.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30925447

As cool as all that stuff is actually taking notes on a 5.5 inch screen is a gimmick. Taking notes on my 7 inch View was impossible. You need the real estate of a 10 inch tablet to really take notes.
Im just amazed that the firmware features on the Note 2 are light years ahead of what they gave us on the SGN10.1. Fingers crossed that Samsung doesnt try and screw us on the firmware update.
I hope Sprint will carry the Note 2. I am sick of ATT getting all the cool stuff.
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mi7chy said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30925447
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Lol, oops, missed that thread Must have fallen off the top page.
Oh well.
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dont see why they wouldnt add the new features the note has the technology capable of doing them. they might as well make use of hovering pen they added on the 10.1

Well Im hoping that is the reason why they pulled the update. Because they are about to JB us.
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All the new features are s/w so I don't see why they wouldn't. It's not like people cross-shop a giant note-taking phone against a 10.1" tablet. It also wouldn't make sense having to support two different versions of things like the gallery and S-Note when it's not necessary. Maybe some of the new APIs in JB allowed the introduction of some of the new features. The two I want that are the most practical are the lasso tool to capture content across apps and the ability to handwrite on the S-Planner. The Pen Buddy thing is cool but I’m more likely to lose the pen by taking it away from the tablet than the other way around. I accidentally threw the pen away on an airplane last week and a flight attendant (it was Alaska Airlines, they still do stuff like that ) and I sifted through garbage to find it.

BarryH_GEG said:
All the new features are s/w so I don't see why they wouldn't. It's not like people cross-shop a giant note-taking phone against a 10.1" tablet. It also wouldn't make sense having to support two different versions of things like the gallery and S-Note when it's not necessary. Maybe some of the new APIs in JB allowed the introduction of some of the new features. The two I want that are the most practical are the lasso tool to capture content across apps and the ability to handwrite on the S-Planner. The Pen Buddy thing is cool but I’m more likely to lose the pen by taking it away from the tablet than the other way around. I accidentally threw the pen away on an airplane last week and a flight attendant (it was Alaska Airlines, they still do stuff like that ) and I sifted through garbage to find it.
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Funny you mentioned the lasso tool as I have been looking for it to no avail on my 10.1. Doesn't some of the videos on YouTube show the 10.1 using the lasso tool?

Mickeylittle said:
Funny you mentioned the lasso tool as I have been looking for it to no avail on my 10.1. Doesn't some of the videos on YouTube show the 10.1 using the lasso tool?
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If you hold your pen button down while long pressing on the screen it should take a screen shot and offer a lasso tool.
You simply long press on the selection box icon at the top of the screen and and the lasso option appears.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
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Mickeylittle said:
Funny you mentioned the lasso tool as I have been looking for it to no avail on my 10.1. Doesn't some of the videos on YouTube show the 10.1 using the lasso tool?
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The work-around is to take a screen shot using the button on the pen (it pops up the editing tools) and crop what you want to re-use and paste it to the clipboard and then insert it in whatever you're working on. The problem is everything comes out square and shows the background. But it's better than nothing (hopefully) for the time being.

You need to long press the lasso tool then select the lasso rather than the crop icon

BarryH_GEG said:
The work-around is to take a screen shot using the button on the pen (it pops up the editing tools) and crop what you want to re-use and paste it to the clipboard and then insert it in whatever you're working on. The problem is everything comes out square and shows the background. But it's better than nothing (hopefully) for the time being.
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I believe if uou do split screen you can use the lasso to select a region then long press it and drag to the other screen.
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stunno said:
You need to long press the lasso tool then select the lasso rather than the crop icon
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mitchellvii said:
I believe if uou do split screen you can use the lasso to select a region then long press it and drag to the other screen.
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Ding. Ding. Ding! We have a winner! The lasso tool only shows up when in multi-view and when you've freshly taken a screen shot and only when you used the S-Pen to do it and then only gives you half the screen to edit with. It doesn't appear if you open a screen shot from the gallery even if you're in multi-view. It also doesn't let you capture something imbedded in an S-Note to use anywhere else unless you take a screen shot of it first. What you shared helps a lot but it's pretty stupid that it's not available universally. And of all the Samsung devices I've used this feature is without question the best hidden. And it's not like I wasn't looking for it.
Thank you both.

BarryH_GEG said:
Ding. Ding. Ding! We have a winner! The lasso tool only shows up when in multi-view and when you've freshly taken a screen shot and only when you used the S-Pen to do it and then only gives you half the screen to edit with. It doesn't appear if you open a screen shot from the gallery even if you're in multi-view. It also doesn't let you capture something imbedded in an S-Note to use anywhere else unless you take a screen shot of it first. What you shared helps a lot but it's pretty stupid that it's not available universally. And of all the Samsung devices I've used this feature is without question the best hidden. And it's not like I wasn't looking for it.
Thank you both.
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Well it does appear in pretty much any screen shot. You just have to click the rectangle tool once then long press it to get the options to show up to choose the lasso.
In other words it doesnt only appear in split screen.

mitchellvii said:
Well it does appear in pretty much any screen shot. You just have to click the rectangle tool once then long press it to get the options to show up to choose the lasso.
In other words it doesnt only appear in split screen.
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Where? This is what my screenshot looks like in the Gallery.
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Duh. Never mind. I got what you're saying. Any screen screen shot that you edit before its sent to the gallery can use the lasso tool in full screen mode.

Looks like they have refined all this quite a bit in the Note II. Hopefully for us too.

mitchellvii said:
Looks like they have refined all this quite a bit in the Note II. Hopefully for us too.
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Thanks everyone for the lasso tool tips. Glad to see that it actually works as I was beginning to wonder! Definitely not as easy and fluid as some videos I've seen. Hopefully with an update it will become a more useful and natural operation.
Thanks again.

I'm hoping the OG Note and 10.1 get some or all of these new features, but I'm kind of doubting it. What better way to attract people to their new devices than by offering exclusive software features? Why do you think people flock to buy the newest Apple devices? To get the new software features that the previous generation is fully capable of running but won't get. It Samsung truly wants to differentiate themselves they'll bring all the features to their older devices, but it just doesn't make business sense. But who knows, maybe they'll surprise me.
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I'm hoping the OG Note and 10.1 get some or all of these new features, but I'm kind of doubting it. What better way to attract people to their new devices than by offering exclusive software features? Why do you think people flock to buy the newest Apple devices? To get the new software features that the previous generation is fully capable of running but won't get. It Samsung truly wants to differentiate themselves they'll bring all the features to their older devices, but it just doesn't make business sense. But who knows, maybe they'll surprise me.
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Sorry man but as a former Apple user and wife and son currently still have 4 Apple devices, I must disagree with you. I My son's original ipad is running ios 5.1 just like my wife's new ipad. There is no camera or retina display on it so that does tend to hinder it in some ways. But overall Apple is very good at bringing past generations up to speed when new updates come out.

Samsung Series 5 Hybrid (Ativ Smart PC) W8 tablet - Quick Review for Note 10.1 owners

Alright. I've been playing with a Series 5 hybrid for a couple of hours now. This is a quick review with 2 pictures showing both units together (sorry for the grain in the pictures; I'll take better ones with my DSLR once I have more time), since some of the Note 10.1 owners might be interested in this particular model due to the Wacom digitizer and the S-Pen. It costs $649 (Staples is selling it for $599 at the moment).
First of all, the built quality is great. Yes, it has the same polycarbonate back panel as Note 10.1 and it moves little bit if you press on it in the center (which is not part of the typical tablet use scenario), but it feels really solid and not flimsy. Probably little better than Note 10.1, due to the fact that the back is one piece and wraps around the screen nicely and having less plastic parts merging into each other creates less movement and creaks. The full glass front with the integrated speakers on each side works very well.
The Series 5 hybrid is definitely designed for a landscape use. It's too narrow and awkward if you hold it in portrait mode. The thickness is similar to Note 10.1 and it doesn't feel particularly heavier. It comes with a power block (very similar to what you get with laptops), so while traveling, that will add some extra weight.
The stylus is smaller than the one that comes with Note 10.1. (it's slightly chubbier), and it's white. I played with S-Note for a while and it works very similar to what we have on the Note. Palm rejection may not be as accurate as on the Note 10.1, because after writing few sentences, there were 3-4 small lines under my hand where it was resting on the screen.
As for the performance of the Atom, it feels perfectly fine for browsing, e-mail, etc. I haven't noticed any lag while navigating from screen to screen, but when installing programs, moving to something else took a bit extra. It includes a 64GB SSD, but out of the box it has 34GB free. The screen on the Note 10.1 is more brighter compared to Series 5. I would say the resolution is similar in terms of sharpness, pixellation, etc. Since the labels are a lot more smaller in the desktop mode (see below), you can see the pixels in the letters under icons.
Unfortunately, it doesn't come with a preview of Office 2013 that was going to be upgraded to full version when released (this was mentioned for RT devices, but I remember reading it somewhere for the X-86 tablets, as well). It doesn't include Office 2010 either (you have to buy/install it separately). Since office 2010 is not touch optimized, using the stylus is a must. From this aspect, it feels like it was rushed to meet the Windows 8 launch date. This is a mistake on Microsoft's and Samsung's part, because the X86 machines are marketed as "productivity oriented" models as opposed to the Windows RT models, and the lack of touch-optimized Office suite takes away from it significantly. You can use Office 2010 on it without any problems in terms of functionality, but it's not tablet/touch optimized, and you'll definitely need that stylus.
This is my first encounter with Windows 8, so part of the learning curve is due to Windows 8 itself. Although, it's very easy and enjoyable to use it in the tablet mode, I find myself hitting that "Desktop" tile and using it as a "regular" computer. Over time, I'll probably move away from this habit. Once you are at the Desktop, you become aware of what's running in the background and it's a full Windows on a 11.6" screen. I thought the navigation would be a problem without the stylus, but it works OK, even though things look a bit small. After spending few minutes with it, you immediately realize that you're in Windows territory (pop up windows from Norton, security update reminders, restart reminders after installing the updates, etc.).
As of know, it feels more like a "computer" rather than a "tablet" if that makes any sense. Until I spend about a week with both, I won't form any opinions. I wish Office 2013 was included, since it's one of the most important factors for people considering an X-86 based tablet.
Let me know if you have any questions. Once I have some time, I'll make a more detailed side-by-side comparison of both tablets and add some more pictures.
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Thanks, looks cool.
Yeah, I'm gonna wait for these to ripen in the marketplace for 6 months or so before I consider anything seriously. Once I do I will get either a 13.3" or 15" convertible ultrabook, 15" preferred and use it as a true laptop replacement.
As a tablet I would find having the tall skinny portrait mode disturbing I think. I greatly prefer holding my tablet in portrait mode for some reason.
Anyway, hope you enjoy it. So far sounds like you think it's ok but aren't blown away. I think that is the challenge W8 faces. For the premium price, people need to feel blown away. Even though the critics ripped the SGN10.1, users LOVED it and the device was saved, but if users themselves start giving weak reviews of the W8 tablets that will spell big trouble.

Thanks for the mini-review. Do you by chance have Photoshop? I'm curious how the Atom processor handles it.

It's bigger than I thought. I also never thought about what you mentioned in using it in portrait mode. Is Windows S-Note a program in the control panel and are Android and W8 S-Note's compatible? Being able to share my Note's S-Note's via the desktop would be huge for me. Play some HD movies and games on it. I'm curious to see how the new Atom holds up without a discrete GPU. By all means share your experiences. I and I'm sure others are interested.

thanks for the quick thoughts. I'm interested in the series 7 version of the tablet which should be similar but faster than this one.

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thanks for the quick thoughts. I'm interested in the series 7 version of the tablet which should be similar but faster than this one.
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Actually the series 7 (with core i3 /i5 ) isnt the same , it is thicker , larger and have ugly cooling fins at the back (core i5 gets really hot ) and they start at double the price (1500$ for WiFi only core i3 ) and the camera has no flash also
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Thanks, looks cool.
Yeah, I'm gonna wait for these to ripen in the marketplace for 6 months or so before I consider anything seriously. Once I do I will get either a 13.3" or 15" convertible ultrabook, 15" preferred and use it as a true laptop replacement.
As a tablet I would find having the tall skinny portrait mode disturbing I think. I greatly prefer holding my tablet in portrait mode for some reason.
Anyway, hope you enjoy it. So far sounds like you think it's ok but aren't blown away. I think that is the challenge W8 faces. For the premium price, people need to feel blown away. Even though the critics ripped the SGN10.1, users LOVED it and the device was saved, but if users themselves start giving weak reviews of the W8 tablets that will spell big trouble.
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Yeah, I'm not blown away by it, for sure. It seems more and more that I'll be waiting for v2 as well.
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Thanks for the mini-review. Do you by chance have Photoshop? I'm curious how the Atom processor handles it.
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I'll install it later tonight and see what happens, but don't get your hopes up (see below).
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It's bigger than I thought. I also never thought about what you mentioned in using it in portrait mode. Is Windows S-Note a program in the control panel and are Android and W8 S-Note's compatible? Being able to share my Note's S-Note's via the desktop would be huge for me. Play some HD movies and games on it. I'm curious to see how the new Atom holds up without a discrete GPU. By all means share your experiences. I and I'm sure others are interested.
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Yes, it's definitely bigger than I thought as well, especially when you put the Note 10.1 on top of it. I like the overall design of the Series 5 better than the Note 10.1 (more streamlined and clean), but the portrait mode is really awkward. It might be good for taking long notes, but I can't see any other use for it. After reading your post, I tried to find a way to export the notes from the S-Notes, but the only option was jpeg. I'll look into the file structure and try to open them on Note 10.1. The S-Note is a program in the control panel. For some reason, the S-Note feels sluggish. Opening and saving notes take a bit longer than Note 10.1. For instance, the "S-Note tips" file took a while to load, and when opened, moving from page to page was very slow (i.e., "hit the right arrow, wait 2 seconds, page #2 is delivered, and so on for the remaining 5 pages). The exact same file on the Note 10.1 flies. In addition, there's no "page turn animation" on the Windows version.
I haven't played any games other than the Plants vs. Zombies that's included (trial version). By the way, the game played in its own window and there was no way to play it full screen, which was annoying.
One thing that I was really skeptical was the Atom processor, and unfortunately, it interferes with the usage of the tablet often enough to remind you that you are using a device with a slow processor. Just to test it out, while Windows update was running in the background, I started Windows Movie maker and imported 4, 3-4 minute long 720p files from my digital camera. It took a while to add the movies to the "Project" and once a timeline formed, I hit "Play" to preview the movie. The small video playback was stuttering. Then I hit the full screen button on the preview window, it was painful to watch the processor trying to keep up with background installation of updates and ongoing video playback. I tried the same thing without any background processes running; the small preview window was better, but full screen continued to stutter.
I'll keep testing it with some other tasks, but so far it seems underpowered.
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thanks for the quick thoughts. I'm interested in the series 7 version of the tablet which should be similar but faster than this one.
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Based on what I've observed so far, Series 7 might be a better choice for people who wants to have full Windows 8 in a tablet form. It won't be an option for me because of the weight, thickness and the price point. As long as you don't push the processor, Atom works fine for "general" stuff, but anything "extra" shows its shortcomings.

Hey man, really appreciate you going out of your way to give us this comparison, much welcomed
Hope im not out of line in asking, if its possible to get some of the things you've mentioned, on video, if its not a bother that is

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I tried to find a way to export the notes from the S-Notes.
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They're "snb" files (on the Android Samsung Note's). Use Astro or ES Explorer to upload them from your Note to Dropbox and see if the Ativ is able to open, read, and edit them. If it is, and there's a program in Control Panel, we should finally be able to use and edit S-Notes from the Note on a PC. I'm guessing the S-Note for W8 app is on the backup and restore CD. Thanks for the time you're spending on this.

Thanks for your quick review.
I'm considering this tablet.
Can you test some 1080p mkvs with the S Player?
How do other players (vlc,.....) work on this atom processor?

please test adobe illustrator CS5, Thank you very much.

Its has RT version of Windows CS5 or for that any other legacy windows applications will not work on it

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Its has RT version of Windows CS5 or for that any other legacy windows applications will not work on it
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No, it's running full Windows 8, and I already installed Adobe Design and Web Premium CS6.

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They're "snb" files (on the Android Samsung Note's). Use Astro or ES Explorer to upload them from your Note to Dropbox and see if the Ativ is able to open, read, and edit them. If it is, and there's a program in Control Panel, we should finally be able to use and edit S-Notes from the Note on a PC. I'm guessing the S-Note for W8 app is on the backup and restore CD. Thanks for the time you're spending on this.
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I copied one of the .snb files over to the W8 tablet. It's recognized as an S-Note file (the icon is the same), and if I double-tap on it, it attempts to launch the S-Note, but it never passes the "splash screen". If I launch S-Notes, minimize it, and double-tap on the .snb file from Note10.1, it maximizes S-Note, but it doesn't open it. It appears that they are not compatible. Furthermore, sorry for the misinformation; S-Notes is not under the "Uninstall Programs" list in control panel.
It would have been nice to share notes between platforms.

Onenote performance?
tenderidol,
Thank you so much for this comparison (I'm going to hit your thanks button quite a few times, I think ) I want to buy one of these tablets but don't want to decide until I know some more about the Atom performance. So if you have time (you get snowballed with requests, I'm sure) to install Office 2010 and test how OneNote inking performs in a big file (with quite some pictures inserted), a few pdf's open and internet explorer running in the background? I think there are many people interested in whether the Atom will be sufficient for notetaking in big files with some stuff in the background.
BTW, I read on another forum that some people use the extra length in portrait mode for multitasking: one window on top and the other below. Could be useful for copying-pasting things from internet explorer to notes. I think I would prefer 16:10 though.

I have an issue not offence ment to anyone but this forum is for Note and lately all I the post I see are about W8 tablets and nexus 10 to an extent we have reviews of W8 tablets being posted. Need the focus back

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I have an issue not offence ment to anyone but this forum is for Note and lately all I the post I see are about W8 tablets and nexus 10 to an extent we have reviews of W8 tablets being posted. Need the focus back
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Non taken. However, this thread is targeted towards people who currently own Note 10.1 and are -or may be- interested in the Ativ Smart PC due to its stylus, S-Pen and the productivity aspect of it that may not be present in Note 10.1 (e.g., full Office suite, legacy Windows programs, additional ports, etc). The way both tablets are designed, I won't be surprised if most people end up owning both for different purposes. No offense, but the content of these threads are very clear with their titles, and anyone who is not interested about the products being discussed can easily avoid them.

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Thanks for your quick review.
I'm considering this tablet.
Can you test some 1080p mkvs with the S Player?
How do other players (vlc,.....) work on this atom processor?
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I made some mkv movies and played them on the W8 tablet. S-Player did not open the file (it said it was unsupported). Cyberlink Power DVD (non-full, "light" edition) is pre-installed and played the movies perfectly fine without any stutter, sync issues or degradation in audio and/or video performance. Actually, I just played them from the USB stick without transferring to the internal memory. I installed VLC Media Player, and the movies were played without an issue with VLC player, too. I didn't try any other media players. Just to make it clear, I created the movies from my Blu-ray discs using MakeMKV without changing any settings.
As for the other requests, I'll try to answer everything. I already installed the Adobe Suite and will report back on the performance of Photoshop, Illustrator and Dreamweaver, soon. The next will be Office 2010 w/ OneNote (the pre-installed trial doesn't contain OneNote, so I need instal my own copy).

Again did not mean to offend you or anyone nor do i find it offending or bad its I feel that it would help in two ways there would many on this site who would want to know your review on Ativ and if you created a category they would have been able to do the same over here your audience is only limited to note owners secondly as a note owner I come to this thread to get information specific to note and if do others will start doing so and start posting reviews. Let me just give an example if everyone post about each and every tablet in market you will not find a post of not in pages and hence I feel its does not help.
Personally I like what you are doing because I would believe your review then that done by various so called tech sites as they are biased
Hope you understand the point i am trying to make and again this my personal feeling and I am expressing it and in no way forcing it on anyone

Thanks for all the great impressions! Sounds like the atom based unit is a little underpowered. Do you have any comics? I read those a lot on my note in portrait mode and wonder how they would look on the extra long portrait mode of the series 5.

Reading comic books?

I've seen conjecture that the 12.2 should be great for reading comic books, but has anyone done so? If so, can you relate the 12.2 comic reading to the 10.1 experience? Have had a Toshiba Thrive for nearly 4 years but time to upgrade. Comic book reading (especially getting an entire page on the screen at one time with large enough text to read it) is important to new purchase. Thanks for feedback.

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I've seen conjecture that the 12.2 should be great for reading comic books, but has anyone done so? If so, can you relate the 12.2 comic reading to the 10.1 experience? Have had a Toshiba Thrive for nearly 3 years but time to upgrade. Comic book reading (especially getting an entire page on the screen at one time with large enough text to read it) is important to new purchase. Thanks for feedback.
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Yes, actually I got one two days ago and I'm still wondering if I keep it or not (don't really need a tab). One of the things I did meanwhile was reading comics. I read several of The Walking Dead comics using the free version of ComicRack, holding the tab vertically. This was one of the few things so far where my 5.5" Note 2 really didn't com close to being useful.
The size is just perfect, very crisp image, really good. You can read the whole page perfectly, using 100% of the screen. I used the volume up/down buttons to skip pages so almost didn't have to move at all.
The only problem is that it is a bit heavy to hold that way, but I guess even a 10 tablet would be, or an 8. None is as comfy a a book. Still, the reading experience itself is excellent.

This is my 3rd tablet, which I primarily use for comics.. I have about 10k comics that I store on it.. I started with the Ipad (which I never liked because of the screen shape), then the Transformer, and now this.. and I am in love.. With the Transformer I had to use a rooted app to use up the entire screen.. That's not needed on this..
The day I got it, I put the same comic up on my 12.2 and 10 inch and what a difference.. Brighter, the text is a little crisper and it gave me that little bit of size bump that I've been wanting for the past few years.. Scrolling the Comicrack menus is super smooth and fast..
I'm not sure why I see so many people saying how heavy this thing is.. After reading some reviews originally, I was worried.. But the 12" is just as heavy as my old 10" It's really not heavy or awkward at all.. Unless you read your books while walking down the street I guess..
For me personally, who owns this just for comics, It's as perfect as it gets..

Thanks to you both. The note 12.2 is only a few grams more than the hefty Thrive. Even though I unlock and root everything, I really don't worry about this device because my son doesn't care. He chose an iPhone because of some music syn. app but didn't even want ipad air because of comic reading. He'd never consider any computer but Apple. For a tablet, it's android. His brother (also imac and macbook pro) says his android N4 provides more productivity for his needs than his iPad 3.
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I also had a Thrive, then a Voyo A15 to read comics...As soon as the 64 gig version is available, I am getting this. I also appreciate the comments above...it seems like this is the tablet I have been waiting for. I might just wait for the LTE version just for the Snapdragon, though. I can't wait to read on this thing!

The size is almost a 1:1 for comic book size. I took a photo of my NP12.2 with an actual comic book over the screen and the screen is slightly taller.
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It's easy to read a comic full page with no zooming/scrolling. Even two page spreads are readable in landscape without much zooming/scrolling needed.
I find the comic reading experience is supurb. (Im using Comic Rack). The screen is just beautiful! Perfectly sharp, colors are vivid and nice inky blacks.
An obvious downside is ephasized when you hold the tablet in portrait... it's heavy! Holding it too far toward the bottom puts the full weight on your hands. To me it's a minor gripe... everything is so nice about this tablet that the weight is an easily acceptable trade off.
For extended reading you'll want a reader with good tap controls to prevent a lot ofawkward balancing-while-swiping due to the weight.
Now I pretty much don't want to read comics on anything else.

If the price was $500 and it was marketed solely as a video viewer/comic book reader, i would tell people to run to their closest store. Reading comics on the note pro 12.2 is the best experience i've had on a tablet. No need to fidget with zooming, just read and swipe pages. Everything is bright, colorful and crsip. The weight is not that bad in my opinion, it weighs about the same as a ipad 3.

I had a Nexus 10 before this and both so far has been great for comics, so whichever you get, the Note 10.1 or the Pro, you should love it. For me, larger is better, so the couple of inches does make a difference.
Also, with the $25 Google Play credit you'll receive, get the full version of ComicRack. Best reader out there.

The screen is great and the few graphic novels I have through the Kindle app look outstanding in full screen, it's just a damn shame that the marvel unlimited app is bad and only utilizes half of the screen. Really hope they fix it, but I'm not holding my breath.
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The screen is great and the few graphic novels I have through the Kindle app look outstanding in full screen, it's just a damn shame that the marvel unlimited app is bad and only utilizes half of the screen. Really hope they fix it, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Isn't the marvel unlimited a derivative of the comixology app? That app works fine for me....
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Isn't the marvel unlimited a derivative of the comixology app? That app works fine for me....
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Marvel unlimited is the app for the subscription they offer to their back library as well as comics that have been released a few months back.
That comixology app worked fine, but the unlimited app just doesn't use the whole screen. Not even close, actually. Pretty disappointing that the regular marvel app works properly and the one that requires a subscription of you to use doesn't.

mva5580 said:
The screen is great and the few graphic novels I have through the Kindle app look outstanding in full screen, it's just a damn shame that the marvel unlimited app is bad and only utilizes half of the screen. Really hope they fix it, but I'm not holding my breath.
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I was absolutely shocked at how poor the marvel unlimited app looked on here. I'm really disappointed and hope this gets fixed soon as this is a perfect format for the app if it functions properly. I can deal with the bugs that the android version has always had, it usually just requires a few extra clicks to load something a second or third time, but having the scren size look the same on 7 inch or a 12 inch tablet is too much.
Out of curiosity, what other sources do people use for comics? The marvel unlimited account is my only experience with digital comics and I'm enjoying catching up on series that I haven't read in 20 years but I have a hard time seeing people paying $3-$4 per issue for new digital comics. Is this common? or our there other types of subscription services that people use?

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Me, I use comixology and the dark horse app. Comixology's higher definition comics look amazing on the notepro.
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Haven't decided on 12.2 yet but use Perfect Viewer as we have the files already.
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Here is a review that includes showing how comics look on the note pro if someone need to see it in action to help for a decision http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HbnTSojBJtg
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Giving up 2012 macbook air for note 12.w..crazy?

I mainly do writing and since the tab has what many are hailing as a true Word clone in the Hancom suite I figure I'd use the tab more than my rarely used macbook air. Am I crazy or is the air for the 12.2 a fair tradeoff? The air is a mid 2012 model and I'm being offered enough on Craigslist to outright buy the tab. I already own the note 8, the note 10.1 2014 and an lg gpad. While I do my main writing on a mac desktop, I spend most of my extra time on tablets. While the 10.1 isn't a true laptop replacement, what's your take on the 12 as a laptop replacement. . My macbook air is 13 inches, just a bit larger than 12.2. I'm not a gamer so besides sending word files to the 12.2 from my desktop, or initiating word files on the 12.2, I mainly surf, email, watch movies/tv, do research. Wpuld love input. Also, are there Any other professional writers using the 12.2 for work?

Since you already have the 10.1 2014 and the MacBook Air I'm not sure how much you'll gain with the 12.2. The size of a 13 - inch air is not much different than the note 12.2 once the note is placed in a case so it becomes a trade-off between functionality being lost in office suites and gained in touch OS features.
The danger here is that even if you get other writers to chime in the likelihood of them having the same work flow that you desire is slim. Hancom Office is good but if you're going to write in Hancom Word be aware that it does not support track changes. Some will argue that there are other good word processing applications and that's fine but nobody knows your work flow but you. Personally I would be mindful of having large files edited on a mobile OS bit that's just me since my definition of large differs from others, it's likely not an issue for many (again work flow is the key). My suggestion would be try to find a 12.2 from a seller that allows returns within a couple of weeks and then run it through its paces with some of your past works to see if it cuts the mustard. Once satisfied that it works well for you then put the laptop up for sale.

Muzzy996's points are all good. My take is: depending on what kind of writing you;d use the device for, mainly, & how frequent your deadlines, this is less a software question than one of hardware. I.e., ergonomics.
I've always liked typing on a touchscreen, but the keyboard has to be spaced a certain way. Haven't measured anything, but the iPad's keyboard is great for me—I can just fly, & with slightly higher accuracy than on a physical keyboard. (I recognize I'm in a minority on this.)
I haven't tried the Note Pro 12.2's keyboard. I suspect the key-spacing will be something most users can get used to. But there's a related ergonomic challenge, which is the relationship between the keyboard & the screen. I've always hated writing on a laptop, because the keyboard's attached to the screen. It's tiring holding your head Just So for hours, and stamina counts if you're writing for hire.
You can use a separate keyboard with a laptop to keep your posture strong, but then you're wasting a large part of the computer's design. That's why I prefer tablets as mobile writing devices: I can use a keyboard for a day's work, then just tap on the glass for shorter stuff (emails, texting &c).
So for me, at least, the Note Pro 12.2 will be an ergonomic improvement over smaller tabs—&, I submit, over any laptop. The software question is mainly about the features you need. On the desktop, I work in MS Word, with a set of custom macros to make my life easier. I've never seen a word-processor in a mobile device that behaved enough like a desktop app to make me happy. That might require keeping the Macbook Air.

From what I've seen the on screen keyboard is very much like a regular pc/mac keyboard, and again from what I've read and seen hancom word is ms word compatible. I really think I will make more use out of the 12.2 than my macbook air. I still will use my mac desktop for my main writing but will send to the tablet for relaxed copy reading, editing and then send back to the desk top. I really do think tablets like the 12.2 and the note 10.1 2014 are practical replacements (at least for my kind of writing) and can do a lot more and easier than a clunky laptop. I see using a blue tooth keyboard like apple's for writing and editing with the 12.2. I'll have 30 says to try it all out.
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Muzzy996's points are all good. My take is: depending on what kind of writing you;d use the device for, mainly, & how frequent your deadlines, this is less a software question than one of hardware. I.e., ergonomics.
I've always liked typing on a touchscreen, but the keyboard has to be spaced a certain way. Haven't measured anything, but the iPad's keyboard is great for me—I can just fly, & with slightly higher accuracy than on a physical keyboard. (I recognize I'm in a minority on this.)
I haven't tried the Note Pro 12.2's keyboard. I suspect the key-spacing will be something most users can get used to. But there's a related ergonomic challenge, which is the relationship between the keyboard & the screen. I've always hated writing on a laptop, because the keyboard's attached to the screen. It's tiring holding your head Just So for hours, and stamina counts if you're writing for hire.
You can use a separate keyboard with a laptop to keep your posture strong, but then you're wasting a large part of the computer's design. That's why I prefer tablets as mobile writing devices: I can use a keyboard for a day's work, then just tap on the glass for shorter stuff (emails, texting &c).
So for me, at least, the Note Pro 12.2 will be an ergonomic improvement over smaller tabs—&, I submit, over any laptop. The software question is mainly about the features you need. On the desktop, I work in MS Word, with a set of custom macros to make my life easier. I've never seen a word-processor in a mobile device that behaved enough like a desktop app to make me happy. That might require keeping the Macbook Air.
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nychotxxx said:
From what I've seen the on screen keyboard is very much like a regular pc/mac keyboard, and again from what I've read and seen hancom word is ms word compatible. I really think I will make more use out of the 12.2 than my macbook air. I still will use my mac desktop for my main writing but will send to the tablet for relaxed copy reading, editing and then send back to the desk top. I really do think tablets like the 12.2 and the note 10.1 2014 are practical replacements (at least for my kind of writing) and can do a lot more and easier than a clunky laptop. I see using a blue tooth keyboard like apple's for writing and editing with the 12.2. I'll have 30 says to try it all out.
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I love my 12.2 It is a great tool. I don't ever use track changes so nothing lost there in hancom. I do my own proofreading and editing so.... Multi window and handwriting are so much better on the larger screen as well.

Your not crazy. I do not write for a living, but do process work orders via a Remote server. Emails of course, like everyone. A ton of writing/typing, but not the way you guys describe. Great points have been stated, but here's my take:
With a bluetooth keyboard, and using my magic mouse(bluetoothed to note), I have basically a laptop if I desire. Great for travel. I have defaulted to just the logitech keyboard/case as of late.
When home, I use just the oem case and on screen keyboard, and enjoy my tablet in its true form. The best part is Im at my desk now with both the note pro and typing on my macbook. The note can do all of it. The storage is less, but I havent come close to capacity, on either. There is always cloud storage to use if needed. Just using the Mac, because its fun too. Had to remind myself why I like the note better....Also just saw a thread in general about formatting a Hard Drive to use on your note pro. Think about that, you would truly have laptop storage, when needed.
I think Muzzy's recommendation of trying out Hancom would be my deciding factor, if my needs were yours. This, IMO, is your only thing to overcome. I am closer to trying to import my current word docs, excel, and even PP to see how they play with one another. But remember, the on screen keyboard does take screen space while your typing. I know it bugs me until I get used to using the on screen keyboard again.
I would try out Hancom at a store quickly before buying. You may notice you dont even want to think about it, and save yourself the purchase.

The screen of the Note 12 is certainly much sharper and better on the eyes than the MacBook Air's non-retina screen.
I do a lot of writing as well, with a 15" rMBP and the screen matters most to me. Otherwise a writer can use just about anything.
That said:
I wouldn't want to do any serious writing with an on-screen keyboard of any nature. (Maybe just quick edits and such).
I'd look into a decent Bluetooth keyboard (Logitech K811 -or K810 for PC- is hands down the best keyboard I've used, and switches between multiple devices with a button press) or a good keyboard case for the Note 12. Then it's absolutely just as good if not a better pure writing platform than the Air.
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muzzy996 said:
Since you already have the 10.1 2014 and the MacBook Air I'm not sure how much you'll gain with the 12.2.
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IMO the difference between a 10in and 12in tablet is huge!

rkirmeier said:
IMO the difference between a 10in and 12in tablet is huge!
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Agreed! I sold my 10.1 2014 after 2 weeks with this 12.2. Its, just, so much better.......and bigger.

I'd like to have a thread here just for people who do a lot of writing and can talk about writing apps, various other word processors etc. How do we get that started?
jackwagon06 said:
Agreed! I sold my 10.1 2014 after 2 weeks with this 12.2. Its, just, so much better.......and bigger.
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Try the word processing forums
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zaptoons said:
The screen of the Note 12 is certainly much sharper and better on the eyes than the MacBook Air's non-retina screen.
I do a lot of writing as well, with a 15" rMBP and the screen matters most to me. Otherwise a writer can use just about anything.
That said:
I wouldn't want to do any serious writing with an on-screen keyboard of any nature. (Maybe just quick edits and such).
I'd look into a decent Bluetooth keyboard (Logitech K811 -or K810 for PC- is hands down the best keyboard I've used, and switches between multiple devices with a button press) or a good keyboard case for the Note 12. Then it's absolutely just as good if not a better pure writing platform than the Air.
(My 12.2 and Logitech K811, perfect writing combo.)
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What is the name of this beautiful stand? Any URL?