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[DEV] TouchFlo Replacement

I've been messing around with a managed TouchFlo3D replacement app on my Diamond, and so far my results have proven that it is feasible to completely replace TouchFlo3D with a managed Today plugin app that mimics it exactly (and performs exactly the same too).
Why rewrite TouchFlo3D you may be asking yourself. Some immediate advantages I can think of include the following:
No need to hack TouchFlo3D for tweaks, the source is available
New apps can be directly integrated into the new TF3D
Transparent theme support with no reverse engineering
As it's a new development, back porting to older/other phones should be easy
It's managed, so development is fast and the barrier for entry is much lower
I plan to create an open-source project for this, but I need a bit of feedback from the xda community to see if this is something that people here would want.
Let me know!

Would definitely be interested. Being managed would be a huge plus for myself to try to learn some of the "touch" stuff that people are doing without needing to learn native coding.
Sounds cool!

Like ThrottleLauncher?

OK
Waiting for IT

Sound good ...will be a big task ...but with control over everything...mmmm

dude, people have been trying to get their hands on TouchFLO3D for a long time now. Chainfire managed to port it but it's still problematic and unstable. if you managed to create a flexible TF3D you'd be considered to be half a god here

Would be great to choose wich app´s i would integrate in TF thats the only thing i dont like in M2D...and if i had the ability to have a tab for custom plug-ins i would be in heaven
One question...would it be just for VGA phones with 3D drivers(diamond,touch pro,etc) like TF3D,or will it be for every WM 6 phone?

Development of Mobile7Ultimate is still up, new progress status update maybe this weekend or next, maybe also something to test for you...and not to forget, VGA support.
But TF3D hacking seems quite interesting as well, since it runs on Polaris as well now
regards,
Martin

I'm glad there seems to a need for this. To answer your questions:
The plan is to create a TF3D replacement which mimics it as closely as possible as a starting point. This will include creating a set of touch controls which will make developing plugins and all kinds of touch apps a breeze (and deliver that unified look ala the iPhone).
I don't think the goals are the same as ThrottleLauncher. The aim will be to create a TF3D port that's open for everyone to contribute. I don't know all that much about ThrottleLauncher (it doesn't run well on my Diamond) so I could be wrong.
It will be fully configurable, and I plan to build an "app store" for it like the other platforms have as well. This needs to be easy for every user to use!
At the moment my demo is targeting WinMo 5 and not using any 3d driver specific functions. So it should run on any WinMo 5+ device. Keeping backward compatibility is always a painful thing to do though, so it's something that will need to be considered. Since it will be open-source, a fork for older devices will always be an option.
Are there any developers willing to contribute to a project of this nature?

My device is screaming for a nice UI like TF3D, M2D is really terrific however after playing with Diamond for a day I love the UI but dislike the Diamond itself.
Many ppl Im sure are just waiting for something as nice as TF3D, the other shells are great but M2D and TF3D offer much nicer integrated mutimedia support and simply an enjoyable experience. I cant offer any technical contribution but I'd surely be a donator.

this sounds really goods.
You have all my support dude

I would like to contribute, I have .net (vb) compact framework development experience. Working on a mobile app for work right now actually. Been trying to do more with using the graphics libraries to create custom controls instead of relying on standard controls.
let me know how I can be of assistance.

Going to be using ChrisTec's framework for it?

rusvdw said:
I'm glad there seems to a need for this. To answer your questions:
The plan is to create a TF3D replacement which mimics it as closely as possible as a starting point. This will include creating a set of touch controls which will make developing plugins and all kinds of touch apps a breeze (and deliver that unified look ala the iPhone).
I don't think the goals are the same as ThrottleLauncher. The aim will be to create a TF3D port that's open for everyone to contribute. I don't know all that much about ThrottleLauncher (it doesn't run well on my Diamond) so I could be wrong.
It will be fully configurable, and I plan to build an "app store" for it like the other platforms have as well. This needs to be easy for every user to use!
At the moment my demo is targeting WinMo 5 and not using any 3d driver specific functions. So it should run on any WinMo 5+ device. Keeping backward compatibility is always a painful thing to do though, so it's something that will need to be considered. Since it will be open-source, a fork for older devices will always be an option.
Are there any developers willing to contribute to a project of this nature?
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can you explain the advantages over Wad2.0? I dont understand tflo3d, and am very happy with Wad2.0
Thanks!

agentmikeyd said:
can you explain the advantages over Wad2.0? I dont understand tflo3d, and am very happy with Wad2.0
Thanks!
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Touch flow was made by htc..... therefore optimized for our devices. Plus it is just a completely different feel. Personally i like both i go back and forth with them.... when i get bored with one i switch to the other
....plus touch flo is "free"

Girvo said:
Going to be using ChrisTec's framework for it?
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Yeah, if it wasn't for ChrisTec this wouldn't be possible (in managed code anyway).

Gochris said:
I would like to contribute, I have .net (vb) compact framework development experience. Working on a mobile app for work right now actually. Been trying to do more with using the graphics libraries to create custom controls instead of relying on standard controls.
let me know how I can be of assistance.
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The core is going to be written in C# i'm afraid, but since the framework will be open and support external plugins, nothing will prevent you from writing apps/plugins in vb.

rusvdw said:
Are there any developers willing to contribute to a project of this nature?
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I'd be glad to offer my contribute in my (few) spare time. I've got lot of experience programming in Native C++ and particularly using GDI. And I think I'll have no problems using DirectDraw even if I never used it.
Contact me PM if you are intersted in my help.
Marshall

Transparent Controls
Though I am an experienced programmer, I am new to the PPC world. I have experience in .NET CF (C#).
Presently, I am working on creating transparent custom controls (labels, textboxes, etc)

rusvdw said:
The core is going to be written in C# i'm afraid, but since the framework will be open and support external plugins, nothing will prevent you from writing apps/plugins in vb.
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I don't think I'd have a huge problem doing C#, I've been trying to convince my boss to start (slowly) coding new projects in it. But I can always just help writing plugins or something

Windows 8 on XOOM?

Hi
Am I being wholly unrealistic on this or could we hope to see Windows 8 run on these sluggish XOOMs ?
It seems like the hardware is not massively different?
Possibility or impossibility?
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Would be nice, no idea what the requirements are for Win8 tho..

I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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s.t.s said:
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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Tiamat is pretty darn fast.... then ADW ex makes it even faster.

Id be happy with a chroot of win8
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With the dev preview only being x86/64 at the moment we will have to wait for the ARM version to be released before anything can be done on the Xoom. I cant wait to see if there are any devs that can get it going.....a dual boot with ICS would be fantastic

I am sure it is faster when rooted and overclocked ... just haven't got round to doing it yet ... kind of resent having to do it to get a user experience that might be close to acceptable
I know that there is no arm preview yet but I believe the min spec is detailed ... are there any things we fall short of?
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guys, I'd hate to burst your bubbles, but there were around 4 posts about win 8 on the xoom and all of them came to the conclusion that it wouldn't work, or at least, very unlikely. Windows is closed source. Its not like Ubuntu or any other Linux distro that we can modify.
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s.t.s said:
I can't believe no one else seems to be thinking about it ... couldn't find anything on the web suggesting they were though.
I just hope someone comes up with something to make me excited to own a xoom again. I was excited when I bought expecting to be on a wave of development but there has been only one small set of bug fixes/features that should have been on release version.
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There was a bunch of windows 8 topics on xoom but not looking good. And development will get better overall on xoom when ics comes out because you have to remember, honeycomb source wasn't released and never will be. Ics will be open source though.

Android may soon do more than windows can. By the time WIN8 comes out in arm form android will be on key lime pie.

What really is needed is a full Linux version for the Xoom. Linux is already available for ARM CPUs. But what is needed is the kernel patch for the Xoom, and the hardware drivers.
Stop pining for windows, as there are already plenty of gadgets with it on it. I just purchased a Azpen X1 tablet. The 16GB drive is so small, that I ran out of space the first time that I ran the windows update!! I got a 32GB drive for it, and will install Ubuntu on it. I use Linux for everything, and found that windows is very over rated.

Not sure how Windows is "over rated" ... it seems everyone is out to say mac/ios/linux is better than it. If linux is so great why are you giving it double the storage space the windows install was offered ;-)
I know windows is closed source ... but the hardware appears to be very similar to other tablets that run windows, it would just be a case of suitable drivers?
ICS may improve things but it still doesn't feel like the direction android is headed in is where I hoped/expected in terms of offering tablet optimized/specific applications.
Windows 8 looks a lot more like the tablet os I would like to use ... I guess time will tell.
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s.t.s said:
If linux is so great why are you giving it double the storage space the windows install was offered ;-)
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At first I intended to give 16GB to each OS. But since widows barely fits on 16 GB, I decided against it.
s.t.s said:
I know windows is closed source ... but the hardware appears to be very similar to other tablets that run windows, it would just be a case of suitable drivers?
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What other tablets like the Xoom run windows? Windows only runs on the Intel family of CPUs (and clones), while most tablets have an ARM CPU.

samsung has a dev tablet out that runs windows 8. they gave it out at some convention.

patass said:
samsung has a dev tablet out that runs windows 8. they gave it out at some convention.
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Yes and nobody is going to sit down and spend the time and write drivers for a closed source OS. Especially from scratch. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're bored of your xoom, sell it and get a windows slate

kenfly said:
Yes and nobody is going to sit down and spend the time and write drivers for a closed source OS. Especially from scratch. Not to sound like a jerk, but if you're bored of your xoom, sell it and get a windows slate
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lol i never said i was tired of it, but windows 8 from what I played with it on the desktop is a more practical platform. Often times I'm using splashtop to access my desktop at home. You're mad.
also people write custom drivers for windows all the time. custom graphics card drivers, controller drivers, etc.

patass said:
lol i never said i was tired of it, but windows 8 from what I played with it on the desktop is a more practical platform. Often times I'm using splashtop to access my desktop at home. You're mad.
also people write custom drivers for windows all the time. custom graphics card drivers, controller drivers, etc.
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Look at it this way, most other hc tablets have a port of Ubuntu, which is open source, and we don't. If nobody wants Ubuntu enough to work with the open source os, who is going to work with closed source windows 8?

That is another thing that I just dont get ... it really feels like my best informed choice to get the XOOM was the wrong one. Moto are not pushing the development and user experience like I had hoped and the dev community hasn't been set alight either :-(
Still I hope we see some stuff soon. For now I will just have to try one of the few android roms
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Blue Stacks Beta Is Available.

Hey Guys
The beta of blue stacks in now available. Now u can run Android app on windows Downloading on CP now. Will post later how it is

I would not install it, caused me to get bluescreens after reboot

I have just installed it, played angry bird space and it works fine for me.

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I have just installed it, played angry bird space and it works fine for me.
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On Windows 8?
I can't get BlueStacks to run in Windows 8 at all. Every time I run the installer I get a blue screen with a frown face saying that something went wrong and Windows needs to restart. I have been testing the private beta build on Windows 7 though and it is definitely fun and useful

After Few blue screen restarts it worked. Uninstalled it because it not what i expected to be. I cant run any app in full screen. I run in only a portion and i cant use gmail and angry birds because of some high performance driver issue. The alpha version before this was better.

At the moment, this is so bad

Thanks for the heads up! Going to try this.

I really wanted to try it on my Windows 8 netbook but the Thinstaller executable they gave me refused to install because my it claimed my graphics performance would be under the minimum recommended requirement. It was rather sad since the Alpha worked fine and even running the same version of Android they base their rootfs images off of (Android-x86) as a addition to my Linux dual-boot.

buggatti said:
After Few blue screen restarts it worked. Uninstalled it because it not what i expected to be. I cant run any app in full screen. I run in only a portion and i cant use gmail and angry birds because of some high performance driver issue. The alpha version before this was better.
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Windows 8? I tried as many as 8 blue screen restarts so far. No luck. Still keeps crashing my system into the BSOD. Did alpha work on Windows 8 CP x64?

I was part of the closed beta 1 test and have been in email communication with Bluestacks development and they informed me that they do not have a beta ready for Windows 8 because it is still changing. It sounds like the focus is on Windows 7 for now.

Pls provide download links.....
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nitin1978 said:
Pls provide download links.....
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http://bluestacks.com/

nobody wants this cancer on their computers

Be on the lookout for this (when or if) it comes out
http://ces.cnet.com/8301-33377_1-57355786/bluestacks-goes-metro-with-windows-8/

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nobody wants this cancer on their computers
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Indeed, Bluestacks should be avoided. They have no support forums (personal top gripe) and have made it quite clear they plan to try to make a quick buck leveraging VirtualBox and Android x86 while not giving anything back.
As best I can tell, they have just added an OpenGL pass through driver to Android x86 when running on VB as well as started to recompile some apps which use the ARM NDK to the x86 NDK. Far better to have the Android x86 community work on an automated NDK conversion and their own driver implementation than be shackled.
Also, their TOS lets them abuse your facebook page in new and interesting ways as well as do some serious data mining without any form of opt-out or transparency.

There are support forums:
https://getsatisfaction.com/bstk
BlueStacks even went as far as supplying a link on how to root and install gapps. I wouldn't say there is a lack of support. BlueStacks in my opinion also runs faster than x86 on a virtual machine.

aaronb1138 said:
Indeed, Bluestacks should be avoided. They have no support forums (personal top gripe) and have made it quite clear they plan to try to make a quick buck leveraging VirtualBox and Android x86 while not giving anything back.
As best I can tell, they have just added an OpenGL pass through driver to Android x86 when running on VB as well as started to recompile some apps which use the ARM NDK to the x86 NDK. Far better to have the Android x86 community work on an automated NDK conversion and their own driver implementation than be shackled.
Also, their TOS lets them abuse your facebook page in new and interesting ways as well as do some serious data mining without any form of opt-out or transparency.
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Virtualbox and android are licensed under GPLv2/CDDL and apache respectively. Android specifically is exactly the same as stock device roms, they're under no obilgation to return code to upstream. (though every large project like this should return code, but bar the kernel they dont have to for the android portion).
virtualbox, i'm guessing they're using CDDL for it if they're not returning code.
Tell oracle (or whoever is developing it) and the android x86 teams to not release their sources under free software licenses that arnt also copyleft then.
At least with androidx86 I believe that they're free to migrate from apache -> gplv3 (according to wikipedia I dont believe gplv2 is applicable without relicensing?). But they didnt, they're still apache, which means they full well know that they can be forked and not have code returned.
Those two points are pretty much universally expected for android devices. Samsung and HTC are good enough that they provide mode then the minimal GPL modules, but they're closer to the exception then the norm. There's plenty of very low end (but inexpensive) ICS tabs being hawked on our own market. I cant really see them giving more then the bare minimum (even if that) much less providing any updates at all. They're just as much making a quick buck by only offering updates by buying a new model.
They've havnt required facebook since 0.5.0.2002, which I believe was their first public release. It was merely the cloud client that required it. You can easily use the alphas and betas without even having a facebook acct. I cant speak on how they are about people that actually opt-ed in to attachign their FB accts, but I dont have one period.
Perhaps their cloud sync isnt respecting your privacy as it should, because you right about that part. Bstacks doesnt have a clear privacy policy (or any at all on their site currently)
They're not the only ones using getsatisfaction, which acts as their support point. I cant say that I like it, but it's there. They've added a couple suggestions due to it, but it's not a forum.
Realistically, how long do you have to wait for androidx86 to be bundled in a way that lets you run it in a vm, have fair virtualization/emulation, and is stable? (though bstacks is still beta, and androidx86 is 'rc1') Androidx86 is targeting bare metal, bstacks isnt. Perhaps androidx86 actually runs perfectly well under a vm and also supports some level of hardware passthough too. Their site has instructions for using the eeepc froyo iso on virtualbox. But they obviously dont officially support virtualbox or qemu as they dont provide direct images, they merely happen to work/boot on them.
Androidx86 has 5 different isos targeting 5 different platforms, and none of them match my devices (or any of my vms explicitly). Bstacks explicitly supports vista/7 and implicitly is going to support xp/8 in the future.
I'd much rather have something working now that targets my interests then wait for something that might be more sustainable but isnt targeting me.
It's much like how xda has moto droid forums, really you shouldnt be supporting moto at least when it comes to their locked down bootloaders.
But we're not telling people to buy a different device, we give them workarounds and guides.
Finally, all bstacks is is just an opengl passthough, why has noone else done it already?
I dont expect that androidx86 on virtualbox integrates as well otherwise it'd already be huge news.
I want a virtualized android so my convertable laptop can double as a really high end android tablet, and that's what bstacks will eventually offer.
(if and when they migrate from 2.3.4 to 4.0.x)
If there's any errors, feel free to correct me. I'm rather unsure about how correct I am on the virtualbox parts.
Edit: after trying androidx86 2.3/3.2/4.0 it's fairly useless as a android tablet replacement. They dont support VM integration, and that's pretty much a requirement if you intend to use it to compliment your OS (vs merely being a utility on your os).
4.0 doesnt even work on vb with vb 4.1.8, it cant reach the home screen.
Dont take this as criticism of androidx86 though, they're always going to be undermanned and underfunded. And like previously mentioned VB isnt even a tier 1 target for them.
But realistically, there's no current alternative to bstacks for windows. Seriously suggesting androidx86 + virtualbox right now is like saying to trade for a transformer to someone asking how to install CM9 on the touchpad

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Windows 8 possible?

Is it possible to install Windows 8 (and Android for dualboot) on de tab 7.7?

why to downdgrade the best mobil OS to absolutely limited and not so much supported OS?

I want to do things i can not do in Android. Is it possible to install Windows 7/8 ?

No directly, since 16GB internal storage might not be enough for the OS, besides the arm version of windows is not out yet, in the future perhaps someone will try to port it to the tab 7.7, but I wouldn't count on it.

It's doubtful that Microsoft will sell open copies of the ARM version. Bundling with licensed new devices is what I read. Samsung loves to release tablets, so there will most likely be a Windows 8 Galaxy at some point. Just don't count on being able to install it on your 7.7.

maysider said:
why to downdgrade the best mobil OS to absolutely limited and not so much supported OS?
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i would love to boot windows when wanted,android is cute but windows is a real os and it would be great to have truly everything in 1 device.

Windows ARM Edition will not support x86 Apps so no use in Flashing that

manny1983nyc said:
i would love to boot windows when wanted,android is cute but windows is a real os and it would be great to have truly everything in 1 device.
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Use a vpn, remote desktop tool, or something like Onlive. Depending on your needs of course. What do you want to do on Windows on a 7.7"screen that you can't do on Android? I'm curious.
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Play pc games with a wireless remote or root peoples phones or add files to them or have a real browser that is much faster and not glitchy at all.Using a android remote desktop app is cool 2 but not as solid.

manny1983nyc said:
Play pc games with a wireless remote or root peoples phones or add files to them or have a real browser that is much faster and not glitchy at all.Using a android remote desktop app is cool 2 but not as solid.
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Not to prejudge Microsoft, but I would not at all be surprised if the ARM version of Windows 8 has the same kinds of issues as Android does. It won't have the flexibility of x86/64 versions of Windows.

hopefully it does

manny1983nyc said:
Play pc games with a wireless remote or root peoples phones or add files to them or have a real browser that is much faster and not glitchy at all.Using a android remote desktop app is cool 2 but not as solid.
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Again, the windows ARM version will not support the existing x86 infrastructure
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trustme_ said:
hopefully it does
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No you have to understand that ARM and x86 are a lot different and apps need to be either ported (a lot of work) or emulated (which would result in bad performance)
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isn't it really possible to install windows 8 in this tab? since ics is highly unlikely and hc is just ^**&^%$#@&@()#&)@(&#:|

windows on ARM is a nonsense: no apps, many baby issues, closed platform, no HW support, ...
is there any reason to use W8 on ARM?? please, tell me

It could me more fluid and responsive than hc now. It may nit be guaranteed but its worth a try.
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so buy a device with ICS if is a fluidness and a responsiveness more important to you

this is also a somewhat pricey tablet. what do you expect me to do with this? i can't just buy a tab when ever i want. i have budget constrains too.

Wow so much bad information, I had to stop reading on the second page.
Lets clarify some things and I will answer some fo the questions that were .....
.... missleading.
1) Windows RT (aka ARM version) will not be opensource, this is true. But this is not to say that it will be "closed hardware" Lets be very realistic for a moment. Hows that Open Source ICS working out for ya?
.... well ?
2) Windows RT will not run 2 things directly: a) unmanaged x86 code ... i mean DUH!! b)unmanaged code for ARM without it being "rooted"
This will take a bit of explaining ...
W8RT is somewhat interesting in how it works. think of managed code as JAVA (that doesn't suck balls) and unmanaged code as C... or Objective C for you poor iphone coders. While unmanaged code requires recompiling for every Instruction set, managed code does not.
What does this mean? Simple ... most apps that work on your WM phone will work on a tablet. That being said .... many will not present well.
3) So will windows ever be ported to the a tablet .... yeah its pretty likely ....
just not the Tab 7.7 .... and I somehow doubt it ever will be because ... well ... why would they do that.
4) but i want to play MW3 on my tablet, why can't I?
because god said use your damn xbox360. Seriously .... if you havn't figured out why that is not going to work ... then that is the best answer i can give you.
5) why would anyone want Windows 8 RT?
Have you used it? Dude seriously, it is the holy f*cking grail of mobile computing. This kit is so nice if will cure cancer. I will end global warming ... errr "climate change" and bring your family back from the dead.
Ok so it won't being them back from the dead, but seriously its a pretty massive leap in usability and compute ergonomics. Oh and its slick as ice.
I mean if we are messuring the viability of an OS .... who the **** would use a unix based hot mess with a **** frontend that is so bad that everyone and thier brother tried to rewrite it.

phigmeta said:
Wow so much bad information, I had to stop reading on the second page.
Lets clarify some things and I will answer some fo the questions that were .....
.... missleading.
1) Windows RT (aka ARM version) will not be opensource, this is true. But this is not to say that it will be "closed hardware" Lets be very realistic for a moment. Hows that Open Source ICS working out for ya?
.... well ?
2) Windows RT will not run 2 things directly: a) unmanaged x86 code ... i mean DUH!! b)unmanaged code for ARM without it being "rooted"
This will take a bit of explaining ...
W8RT is somewhat interesting in how it works. think of managed code as JAVA (that doesn't suck balls) and unmanaged code as C... or Objective C for you poor iphone coders. While unmanaged code requires recompiling for every Instruction set, managed code does not.
What does this mean? Simple ... most apps that work on your WM phone will work on a tablet. That being said .... many will not present well.
3) So will windows ever be ported to the a tablet .... yeah its pretty likely ....
just not the Tab 7.7 .... and I somehow doubt it ever will be because ... well ... why would they do that.
4) but i want to play MW3 on my tablet, why can't I?
because god said use your damn xbox360. Seriously .... if you havn't figured out why that is not going to work ... then that is the best answer i can give you.
5) why would anyone want Windows 8 RT?
Have you used it? Dude seriously, it is the holy f*cking grail of mobile computing. This kit is so nice if will cure cancer. I will end global warming ... errr "climate change" and bring your family back from the dead.
Ok so it won't being them back from the dead, but seriously its a pretty massive leap in usability and compute ergonomics. Oh and its slick as ice.
I mean if we are messuring the viability of an OS .... who the **** would use a unix based hot mess with a **** frontend that is so bad that everyone and thier brother tried to rewrite it.
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haha, dude I get what you are saying...those windows 8 previews/demos at Computex 2012 look bad Ass!
As an android fanboy, I will still be first in line to admit that windows 8 with its metro UI is possibly going to trump android unless Google brings their A-game with android 4.1/5.0 (jelly bean/whatever flavor it is this time). every-time I see a preview/demo of the metro UI I ask... WHY IS IT SOO SMOOTH??? AAGHGHH! LOL
But heres to the dreamers: windows 8 RT + ICS dual-booting on the tab 7.7. yikes!
PS - still love my tab 7.7.
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[APP][IN-Developent]Grooveshark for Metro[Unofficial (Yet) ]

Hey everybody!
I am (unofficially) working on a Grooveshark App for Win8. I am trying to contact somebody from Grooveshark to make this official, integrate their API, etc. But here is some look at the UI as of now, and I will be updating this post as I proceed. I have a Splash Screen, A useable UI take from the Win8 API and Icons (planning to add live ones)
Regards,
Tom
P.S. Attached Screenshots.

Hy, nice to hear about such a project
How are you doing and how far have you got??
A link to a nice icon-set:
"icongal.com/gallery/icon/105542/128/grooveshark_metro_apps"
If you need an alpha-tester, just let me know!
cheerio

Don't kill the messenger but they run from a Flash Object/Streaming. I also don't think they have the license for streaming on Win8 or maybe mobile platforms. I wouldn't expect your dreams to come true just yet or at all.

Grooveshark offers a number of API's to interact, so there's no need for Flash.
Grooveshark itself runs a version based on html5. So, html5 is the prefered way how metro-apps should be build.
I think there are plenty of options how this could be done!
cheerio

stroebi said:
Grooveshark offers a number of API's to interact, so there's no need for Flash.
Grooveshark itself runs a version based on html5. So, html5 is the prefered way how metro-apps should be build.
I think there are plenty of options how this could be done!
cheerio
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You may be not understanding me or I didn't elaborate properly, either way, I hope maybe this helps (keep in mind, not trying to be an ass, trying to be helpful)...
As quoted from their site:
use our flexible flash widgets to stream music on
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Source: http://developers.grooveshark.com
In order to stream, you must use Flash for the Widgets. Unless your App is Desktop-based (non-Metro) and even then we still don't know what the outcome will be, Flash isn't likely going to be permitted and if it is, like we've heard previously, it will be very limited and a list of "accepted" sites/content will be enforced.
Yes in IE Metro you can download/use Flash by side-loading the installer but as we've all heard, a light weight Flash is probably going to be permitted in the final public release, which most likely will mean you can't implement it in your App.
Sure, the API exists for streaming but is it supported with the licenses Windows 8 Codecs Offered? Which we hear is going to be limited. Also, you'll have to host their Ads or enforce only premium users to use your App. Question then is, how do you make a profit from it? Unless you're selling it to them, such a large project you should profit from it.
As for grabbing the Artists and stuff like that via the API, yeah that exists but really they're offering nothing better than anyone else. The only reason you'd want a Grooveshark App is because you want to play the content of the Artist/Album you're reading about and unless Grooveshark can change their license agreements & whole way of doing business? I would hold off putting any steam in to this project but just a suggestion from a developer to another developer as we don't know the Codecs W8 will be shipped with and if Grooveshark will have supported it.
Thanks,
Lance

Thank you for your ideas. This may need a bit more time for groove shark devs to look into this
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