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[Q] Porting other OSs to the Galaxy Tab

I wondered if any techies thought it would be likely that Windows Phone 7, Windows Mobile 6.5, Samsung Bada, Nokia MeeGo or other mobile OS's would be ported to the Tab. I think Ubuntu Netbook Edition is certainly likely.
Oh, asking "why would you want to replace Android?!" is a different topic.
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I'm grown to like Android so much as to do things the other way around (try to fit android to any number of other devices), but I think the two most interesting (and perhaps obvious) choices would be MeeGo and ChromeOS.

Yeah, I would definitely be interested in ChromeOS or a netbook linux distro rather than another mobile OS. I bet that there will be plenty of people trying to get linux on it, because people always wanna run linux on everything
What would be PERFECT to my mind, would be being able to dual boot.
Android for when its a phone, and a micro-desktop OS for when I wanna work on it. Stick it on the keyboard dock and add a bluetooth mouse and that'd be sexy. Hell, as long as you saved any documents to SD card you'd still be able to pull them up in droid.
Now all we need is some seriously smart people to make it happen

I don't know why Bada is on that list as it is not really a smartphone os(it more akin to a higher end/smarter feature phone os), and I doubt it would translate well to the Galaxy Tab.
I kind of want to see it running the latest version of Windows CE or Embedded in a dual boot setup with Android. Or some version of Ubuntu(maybe in a newer Mint variant).

Windows Mobile 6.x would be the best alternate.

sentiere said:
Windows Mobile 6.x would be the best alternate.
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Is that just personal preference, or is there a specific feature you think would work well on the Tab ?

Windows 7 on Galaxy Tab
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS4UOK-pyRg

But this is only a remote desktop.you can do it now with remote RDP or LotMeIn Ignition
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I'd love to see WinMo 6.5 and some Linux Distro, but my pipedream would absolutely be Windows 98 - I know, lol98, but I would go absolutely crazy if I could run some Visual Novels on it without having to remote desktop.

mirrinigma said:
I'd love to see WinMo 6.5 and some Linux Distro, but my pipedream would absolutely be Windows 98 - I know, lol98, but I would go absolutely crazy if I could run some Visual Novels on it without having to remote desktop.
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It's seriously unlikely that we'll see a windows desktop OS on the tab. Its the problem with closed-source code. It'd take very significant patching to get it to run on the Tab, and then you couldn't legally distribute the full OS. You could make a patcher/installer, but it would require anyone who wanted to use it to use full version of windows as an installer.
In all honesty, I wouldn't get your hopes up over installing any (significant) programs that don't come with a desktop OS anyway. Sure, theres no problems with bundled stuff, so you can expect office, email, browser, IM, minesweeper etc. But running anything more complex will start to bring up problems, first due to the lack of available resources (1ghz and 512 of ram is rather anemic) and secondly because its tricky to get things to run on unfamiliar architectures.
In theory, you have the chance to do some really cool stuff (some retro command and conquer on the tab... Or Baldurs Gate) but I wouldn't hold out hope.
But you never know.
Those Linux guys are CRAZY smart. A little win95/DOS emulation later, and maybe you could do whatever you want. *shrug*.
Edit -
Wasn't there someone who installed win95 on a nexus one ? You had to install it via dosbox and even then you could only get to it via remote desktop, but it did run. So maybe I'm being too negative. However, don't expect it to be an easy ride lol. Then again, it all depends on how many of these Samsung actually sell.
If they do (somehow) manage to get up to 10mil of these in circulation then there will be a massive dev community to try and make cool stuff for them.

Yeah, that's why I called it a pipe dream - unfortunately most of the visual novels I'd love to play are windows 98+ even if 95 got up. Everything else I'd want to do could be covered by WinMo (coreplayer is love) and Android (Galaxy native divx decoding <3)
IIRC the Samsung Galaxy S series has sold 5 million worldwide last time we heard - since it's essentially the same thing sans resolution I would expect some serious development stuff going on within a few months... I hope.
If I must, I will shell out for remote desktop software, but I'd really rather not if there's other options. Music on top of other stuff doesn't stream well enough through 3G
Windows Mobile 6.5.X is what I voted though.

Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook remix looks good for touch screen.

No More Android or Apple OS !!!!

hey guys after watching this interview from Microsoft about Windows 8 , for tablets and PCs and laptops ,, i can truthfully say , am not going buy gtab10 or any tablets that support android . am going to wait for the release of any good company for tablet with OS windows 8 and surely i'll buy it ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MnEndww2YQ&feature=player_embedded#at=16
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDy-7IZBojo&feature=related
do you think android will get busted by windows 8 ?

i want this on my galaxy tab.....

exactly the same thing came to my mind after watching this

would that be possible? they tried arm that has dual core but how about our single core?

i think it will be so hard to fit windows 8 on galaxy tab .... its depend about the dev , anyways they didn't release it yet . now am thinking of buying tab10.1 or waiting for windows 8 with a good company like samsung and only samsung cuz its easy to play with it

Lol, you think its going to be that fast over 3g/hspda, and no, i doubt this will ever come to android tablets, im pretty sure that these will be built around intels new dual core atoms, or maybe the new snapdragons.
edit: The multi-tasking does look neat tho.

They announced support for ARM..

natious said:
Lol, you think its going to be that fast over 3g/hspda, and no, i doubt this will ever come to android tablets, im pretty sure that these will be built around intels new dual core atoms, or maybe the new snapdragons.
edit: The multi-tasking does look neat tho, and im glad you wont buy another android device, you should sell your tab now.
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don't be happy that much i can't sell my tab have u ever heard someone fall in love with a tab ? ? if u didn't u probably hear it now
that someone is me lolz .. and i didn't ask this to be on my tab !!!! am satisfied with overcome , am saying , windows 8 probably will eat android and mac OS .. maybe who knows

The problems of windows phone is not OS; its a market place, it seems empty. There is nothing on it.
I have used hd2 for couple of month and love user interface of windows but when i open market , it made me mad.
iOS is not a great os , but its apps make it great. Android is growing but windows is all empty place. I will not switch to windows tab unless it has some nice market place.
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Pfff, it's Windows !!! it will freeze and crash 1387445 times per day.
And the OS will not be open source, you will not have root.
And the applications will cost more, much more.

I'm willing to give it a try, but I can't say if it'll be better than Android or iOS or QNIX. It's still too early to speculate.
@liniutze
- My Ubuntu crashes a lot more than Windows. My Windows 7 hasn't had a BSOD for a year already.
- Not have root is no problem as long as it will work, imo. What they have to do is to make it idiot-proof.
- We can't really say. There are a lot of free apps for the desktop copy of Windows. If they manage to port a lot of great apps, then money is no problem as long as their quality is nice.
Besides, I expected Apple to have apps which costs like $100. I was wrong, considering that Apple seem to have a more, "prestige" perspective than Windows. I mean, their laptops alone costs twice than Windows laptops.

liniutze said:
Pfff, it's Windows !!! it will freeze and crash 1387445 times per day.
And the OS will not be open source, you will not have root.
And the applications will cost more, much more.
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Exactly. I can't believe this is even a conversation. Android is the fastest growing mobile OS out there. There are over 300,000 Android handsets activated each day. That's a pretty amazing stat. I for one won't give up Android, especially for Windows.
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Windows 8 seems great, so this will make people from google to make Android OS even better and that's good for us. Even Windows 7 is actually incredible.
As for iOS, Americans and British will always buy this crap...
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What a joke they said windows mobile 7 was going tobe the one not mobiles windows is old history move on.
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ive tried wp7 on a friends phone and its snappy and integrates well with social sites. however, i dont even have an active facebook account and i dont even remember by password in twitter. the only online socialiazing i do is post to forums.
i might have bought one myself but the deal breaker is the missing wifi hotspot functionality. don't count windows mobile out yet. who knows wp8 might be great.
as for windows 8, i think they should retain the current desktop ui as windows 7 is great. the touch interface should only be an option that can be turned on/off. admit it, the keyboard and mouse combo still is supreme if you really needs to get some serious work done. the touch interface for desktop is only good for kiosks or presentations.
the reason for the popularity of other OS alternatives is microsofts fault also. they started going into consoles and put less priority on games for windows. they are diminishing their biggest advantage over the other OSes on home use.. and now if they make windows 8 "touch only", they effectively killed gaming in PCs and i might as well move on to mac.

Where is innovation?
1. They advertise HTML5, Javascript etc as innovation feature, however, the same is possible on both Android and iOS. From my perspective Java is much more capable than any of these. It is object oriented and better suited for large projects.
2. Live applications = widgets on Android
3. There is nothing said about the framework and multitasking.
4. Windows will be a closed platform undoubtedly.
So far it looks like simply a promise and marketing show.

So Yea
I saw the videos and Wow, but then if everything was like in Microsoft Marketing Cuckooland we all be using fling cars and booking our holidays to Saturn directly from our courier file manager (does anyone remember courier?)
In the real world
Android is far more customizable than WM7, and yes probably tiles are nice and better than static icons, but widgets are even more powerful than tiles, hell, you can customize your own widgets in some cases (Check Maker Your Clock Application for example) or even use live wall papers to display info.
If you put your mind to it You can make your android phone to do whatever WM7 do and then some, same goes for ios, lots of things are doable in Android, the only thing needed is people interested and willing to code the right applications.
In WM7 and iOS, sorry, close source, not allowed.
When Win8 comes out and then I see it running in tablets and can compare with whatever version of Android or Chromium and whatever is out call me,
P.S. rest assured that neither Goggle nor Apple wont be seated doing nothing and waiting for MS to take their market share
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this would make a better tablet with a dock than the transformer! you use you tablet with the same os as you laptops and desktops.
and a marketplace isn't needed. there are tons of sources for windows apps. it may be helpful for a noob, but I know where to get all my software... legally.
if this works well I can see windows taking over both iOS and android. especially if it's as "open" as windows on desktops are. no freaking having to work for root.

No wonder after watching M$ you are euphoric. Its simple social engeneering. Playing on emotions and expectations. The truth is more prosaic. Windows core idea was build on using mouse. MS tried tablets niche many times in the past but never suceeded. Do you imagine mouse with tablet?
This time it will be the same. Much hype will poooof quickly.
I dont consider using windows powered tab since I met android. In fact I have two various fujitsu tabs laying around collecting dust. I need windows to work but for everything else I use android because of easy of use.
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I do like the Look of the Touch UI, but it's just a UI.. Surely that can be duplicated to some extent under Android. If not now defiantly in future releases?

Windows 8 RT

do you think Windows 8 RT (ARM) could ever be ported successfully to the transformer, or even the prime or some other tablet?
i know it's not open source and that makes a HUUGE difference. so, what are the chances?
obviously it's a bit early to tell for sure, but how likely do you think?

I doubt it since it gonna come preinstalled with hardware.
http://www.techspot.com/news/48217-windows-8-editions-revealed-two-retail-one-for-arm-one-for-enterprise.html
Even if you were able to copy it to another tablet you would not be able to update it. At least legally.
Our only hope is that ms would sell it alone.

Im wondering how restricted it will be because if it runs like standard windows someone using it on a tablet could run a backup and push out an image that people on android could use.
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I very much doubt it as the WinRT code won't be open sourced so it would have to be one hell of a reverse engineering job to get it ported.
It would be like trying to get iOS ported to our TFs

I just hope splashtop or some other RDP software will have the ability to automaticly turn on all touch-features in win8 when you connect from your tablet.
Would make it a hell a lot easier to remote control your PC without keyboard and mouse.

If someone can figure out how to dump it then it is possible.
This is going back a few years & obviously Win8 whole different animal from WM6.5. I remember when it was announced that the beloved Dell Axim x51 was not going to be updated to WM6.5. Some of the devs did figure out how to make it happen. Going that route you do run into a whole host of legal issues.

In not sure why you would want to downgrade?
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Possible, but what's the point? Windows 8 RT isn't proper Windows, it's not get any apps, and has that horrible Metro user interface.

I love the metro interface. It is just so simple and smart. I would also love to use Windows 8 with a touchscreen to enable all the touch features.
Also, I think of it this way... As some person said on this thread, it is not actually Windows 8, cause you cant get out of metro. And it is a really big issue. But I mean, it is like installing Linux on your TF. You would just install it, check it out for a little while, and then switch back for android. I wouldn't actually use Linux on the Transformer. On Linux you wouldn't actually use Word or Excel on your TF. And if you had windows, same thing... you probably wouldn't use Photoshop or After Effects because you just don't need to. If you are on a mobile device, obviously the OS has to be limited only on the features that are useful on a mobile device. Photoshop would burn your TF most probably, so I don't really see the use of using the classic Windows desktop with a Transformer.
P.S. The Metro UI freaking ROCKS!

I'm going to counter and say I can't stand metro ui. At all. If I got win8 (In love with 7 atm) I'd instantly switch to desktop mode and never look at metro again.
I really hope they release a generic arm version, I want windows on my tab. It'd allow me to do so much graphically and musically, but for now,
Ubuntu xD

Windows 8 has high hardware requirement, atleast prime is needed I think for it to work
B60 TF101 16gb WW version. Never rooted.

Well, you can overclock the TF a considerable bit, my worry would be RAM usage, since Windows is a RAM hog. It's supposed to have lower Reqs than Windows 7, though.

Thing O Doom said:
Well, you can overclock the TF a considerable bit, my worry would be RAM usage, since Windows is a RAM hog. It's supposed to have lower Reqs than Windows 7, though.
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the ram for this device is too low even for modified android and for browsing sites and watching flash video.
is ram not like the cheapest component?
B60 TF101 16gb WW version. Never rooted.

I made a post in another thread stating why I think it's not going to happen.
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I don't anticipate it being possible to run Win8 on the tf101.
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It's unlikely that Windows 8 ARM will be available except preinstalled on devices; unlike PCs, the installation would be different for and specific to each device. So if we assume that is the case;
Windows 8 will probably come on a device with only the drivers necessary for that specific device. You could cite space constraints on that. Why would drivers for any other device be included?
Secondly, building a kernel specifically for the transformer is not going to happen. Why? The Windows kernel is not open source. obviously current kernels we have won't help, because they are Linux.
That last point is probably the biggest reason why we won't see it happening. Not having the source severely limits what can be done.
I wouldn't get my hopes up for this.
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Windows 8 on ARM is more about breaking away from the limitations Intel has in the mobile space. It has nothing to do with compatibility. Microsoft doesn't want to lose any more licenses of Windows to Apple with the iPad (MS makes more money on every Android phone than on Windows Phone).
ARM won't run the desktop. No one cares about Windows if they can't run their old apps. It's DOA.

Windows 8 is gonna flop bigger than all the other Microsoft failures like Xbox and kinect
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"never say never"
look at the HTC HD2, a device that was shipped with WinMo 6.1, now it can run Windows Phone 7.5, Android (ICS included), Ubuntu, booting from NAND (with 2 different boot loaders written from scratch), with nearly full hardware support for everything.
When Asus releases WinRT tablets, they will reuse some of the hardware they use in Android tablets, so they will have the correct code compiled, and hackers will backport it to other tablets...

CrazyPeter said:
Windows 8 is gonna flop bigger than all the other Microsoft failures like Xbox and kinect
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uhm wtf? xbox best selling game console worldwide? about 20 million kinects sold?
anyway... for win 8 I say we'll see and we'll know then.

CrazyPeter said:
Windows 8 is gonna flop bigger than all the other Microsoft failures like Xbox and kinect
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Go back to doing what ever you were doing on your Mac or ipad!

jadesse said:
Go back to doing what ever you were doing on your Mac or ipad!
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Comon man we all know microsoft copied ipads angry birds when made xbox360!!
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Will WIN8 run on Galaxy S III

I personally think Win 8 is better than Android.

Windows 8 sucks, to be honest. At least on a desktop.

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I personally think Win 8 is better than Android.
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No and it's because of 3 reason
1. Arm verison of windows 8 need a "bios" aka special bootloader for it too work on devices which s3 doesnt have
2. Microsoft wouldnt let anything that runs android run windows on it instead
3. windows 8 RT will only work on specific hardware and resolutions that s3 doesnt have like 1366x768 res

boyhandsome said:
I personally think Win 8 is better than Android.
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Then buy a windows 8 phone and not android.
Personally I think windows phone is sh*t.
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I wouldn't piss my money away on a Windows 8 phone but dual boot Android/Win8 is something that's already got me salivating.

I reckon Win 8 Phones have their place in the market... At the BOTTOM... LOL. But seriously, I had my hands on some DEMO gear and its not that bad. It's good to see a more level playing field as all that really means is more CHOICE for all.

I think the question should be: will win8 phones able to run android ?
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Nick14 said:
No and it's because of 3 reason
1. Arm verison of windows 8 need a "bios" aka special bootloader for it too work on devices which s3 doesnt have
2. Microsoft wouldnt let anything that runs android run windows on it instead
3. windows 8 RT will only work on specific hardware and resolutions that s3 doesnt have like 1366x768 res
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though its not possible to port win8 to s3 due to copyright issues, your 1st and 3rd point is not true
1. bootloader is hackable
2. 1280x720 is supported in win 8 mobile

Nick14 said:
No and it's because of 3 reason
1. Arm verison of windows 8 need a "bios" aka special bootloader for it too work on devices which s3 doesnt have
2. Microsoft wouldnt let anything that runs android run windows on it instead
3. windows 8 RT will only work on specific hardware and resolutions that s3 doesnt have like 1366x768 res
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HTC HD2 also Windows, but can install Android..i think S3 can install Windows 8

bala_gamer said:
though its not possible to port win8 to s3 due to copyright issues, your 1st and 3rd point is not true
1. bootloader is hackable
2. 1280x720 is supported in win 8 mobile
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1.
http://arstechnica.com/information-...othing-or-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/
completly locked down so it's kinda a hard
2.
we got the wight but not the hight or visa verca
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/03/21/scaling-to-different-screens.aspx
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HTC HD2 also Windows, but can install Android..i think S3 can install Windows 8
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It's like saying i got triers so they will fit a car , bike or boat.... reverse engineering is a bigger job than u think just watch the Idroid project , so just because HD2 could run windows phone 6.5 doesnt mean that my S1 will run WP7

duskdevilza said:
I reckon Win 8 Phones have their place in the market... At the BOTTOM... LOL. But seriously, I had my hands on some DEMO gear and its not that bad. It's good to see a more level playing field as all that really means is more CHOICE for all.
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well said...but keep in mind guys...HTC HD2...living proof of XDA Devs...KUDOS.
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HTC HD2 also Windows, but can install Android..i think S3 can install Windows 8
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Im not saying its not possible but I doubt many Devs will invest so much time and effort in producing a port that is partial and not effective...even the HOX port to S3 is not easy feat by any means...and keep in mind...thats Android to Android lol...

I personally think windows 8 on phone sucks....but as a tablet computer it is pretty good. If windows 8 could support all (or atleast most) of the apps for windows (.exe) it would be great, imagine loads of apps. And more over all the developing, rooting, flashing roms on android phones could be done anywhere (not literally) just via the tablet. I personally think windows 8 on a tablet would change the life of all normal pc users. As for gamers!!! and heavy duty devs, the most powerful pc is also weak.

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I personally think windows 8 on phone sucks....but as a tablet computer it is pretty good. If windows 8 could support all (or atleast most) of the apps for windows (.exe) it would be great, imagine loads of apps.
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I believe apps would have to be recompiled for ARM. Right now 99% of apps would not work.

WIndows ing system is KING. But as for a phone... I think ANDROID has that title at the moment.
But I would like to have the option to have windows 8 on my phone just to play with it abit.
I wonder why any devs could not get the same framework and just change the drivers around to match that of a s3.
I mean its software on hardware. If you have the space and right kind of hardware anything i think is possible. If you know how to manipulate software very very well

<QUOTE>I believe apps would have to be recompiled for ARM. Right now 99% of apps would not work</QUOTE>
some tablets run on intel processors....so i believe they might run as usual.

Real question is as always will a Dev be bothered to try to port it .
Its never a question of users wants always developers choice .
Unless of course someone needs Windows that much they pay to have it developed privately .
Second question is how long before w8 port leads to Microsoft's lawyers gearing upfor action .
jje

buy ativ s then your problem solved

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Then buy a windows 8 phone and not android.
Personally I think windows phone is sh*t.
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WP8 and Windows 8 are not the same.
But seriously Windows 8 is a tablet OS. It is not easy to use on a 4.8inch screen.

Wp7.5 was horrid. Wp8 will probably be the same..
On a tablet.. hmm maybe worth looking at. On a desktop... i had the beta... piss poor..
I now have the new beta on the xbox.. looks alot like windows 8.. but... i like the new dash for one reason..
Microsoft finaly got their fingers out thier jacksys and intergrated internet explorer..
Personally.. i hate anything to do with windows excpet the fact that when they break.. i get work..
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1.
http://arstechnica.com/information-...othing-or-the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it/
completly locked down so it's kinda a hard
2.
we got the wight but not the hight or visa verca
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/b8/archive/2012/03/21/scaling-to-different-screens.aspx
It's like saying i got triers so they will fit a car , bike or boat.... reverse engineering is a bigger job than u think just watch the Idroid project , so just because HD2 could run windows phone 6.5 doesnt mean that my S1 will run WP7
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You are talking about Windows 8 (RT), and that might be really hard to get on the S3. However, Windows Phone 8 does accept our resolution (see the ATIV S for example).
What people seem to be missing is that we have the Android sources. This means that it's "easy" to change the source code and make it run on different systems. Windows Phone (and Windows) is closed source. It's a "black box". You can't see what's inside, so it's very hard to mod it to make it run where it isn't intended to. This is the reason why no device has been hacked to run WP7, even when its hardware would allow it to (such as the Nokia N9).
It will be easier to run Android on the ATIV S than WP8 on the SGS3. Not saying it's impossible, just that it's very, very hard. Much harder than Android on the HD2.

Is Microsoft risking too much with windows phone 8?

Yo, so I installed the windows phone 8 SDK today, only to figure out that most computers in this world will not run this SDK's emulator.
You will need in an i3 or better CPU from intel or equivalent from AMD (aka latest generation) to run the emulator.
You also have to run this emulator on windows 8 x64 (yep, it HAS to be x64, otherwise it won't work). This, by itself, asks for at least 4 GB of RAM to run the system at a decent speed, also forces you to upgrade to windows 8 (i got it for free due to msdn) and to get Visual Studio 12.
This is, in my opinion, a terrible move from microsoft.
Not everybody has CPUs that have all the requirements. In fact, not even all the newest CPUs have this requirement (Second Level Address Translation it is called). This, automatically, makes developers like me either:
get a new PC
Get a windows phone 8 device.
Luckily for me i have a fairly new laptop, which has an i3 CPU capable to run this stupid emulator.
On top of that, there comes the non-backward compatibility from wp8 to wp7.5 apps. Applications compiled for windows phone 8 SDK will not work on Windows phone 7.5, unless you make another project for 7.5, compile it as dll and reference it from your 8 app. This is kinda overkill.
Windows phone 8 will probably bring in a lot of users, but for developers, it is a blow to the head. I bet windows phone 8 submissions will be very, very low in the next 1 to 2 years.
So, is microsoft risking a bit too much with the switch from 7.5 to 8? On top of all the development slaughter, there's the non-upgradable old devices...

Good question , but it's been shockingly quiet in here. One would think that after a new launch the forum would be jumping with activity.
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vetvito said:
Good question , but it's been shockingly quiet in here. One would think that after a new launch the forum would be jumping with activity.
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Well, to be honest, I think XDA isn't a good place for MS/WP anymore and I guess most of them know that. Just look at the front page, not even a single article/news about the Windows (Phone) 8 launch events. It's just android. Even the forum sections for the HTC 8X/S and Samsung ATIV S are missing whereas all the new Google devices have been added shortly after their announcement. So you see, even XDAdev isn't really well after Windows Phone at all.

morpheuszg said:
Well, to be honest, I think XDA isn't a good place for MS/WP anymore ....So you see, even XDAdev isn't really well after Windows Phone at all.
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so, what forums do wp dev's hang out ?

Are there any lol? I saw about 6 new apps, and one of them (Pandora) won't be out until sometime in 2013!
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MSDN forums for example or prior to launch those who were part of the developer preview program had a closed discussion forum on Microsoft Connect, die to the NDA it was not allowed to discuss the information publicly.
On the CPU requirements - yes it sucks and there are other issues with the Emulator like missing 3d acceleration die to the fact it uses HyperV which does not have that capability. Still I would not suggest for people to develop for any platform without being able to test on a real device. This will be possible even without the Emulator.
I disagree with your assumption that we won't see Apps for WP8. Devs who write software for Windows 8 also need a Windows 8 installation, so people who think of porting those Apps will most likely have the infrastructure in place already. For higher profile the costs of a development machine would not be that problematic and C++ as well as middleware support for many gaming engines will make for a lot easier porting of existing Games from other platforms.
The people for which these changes really suck are student developers lile you and me. Only my Windows tablet currently supports the Emulator (Core i5). But still it is a lot nicer then the situation with the Android Emulator in my experience. The later is running to slow for anything iseful on my Core 2 Quad Desktop so I have to use the device for debugging anyway. Additionally only the WP Emulators have Multi-Touch support so I can test those features without deploying to the device.
Concerning XDAs, it has always been more about hacking and tinkering on the system level then user software development. Given that Android due to it's Open Source nature allows for a lot more in that regard it takes no wonder that there is a lot more going on with those than witj WP. Also market share and number of devoces makes for a difference as well.

vetvito said:
Good question , but it's been shockingly quiet in here. One would think that after a new launch the forum would be jumping with activity.
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All in all WP8 announcement was not that good...
also, they didn't release the SDK for us devs in order to build nice apps ready to be distributed for new win8 devices...Making us wait for months like if winphone had killer features hidden..and then it was the same old stuff so... i'm also considering to jump the android ship...

StevieBallz said:
MSDN forums for example or prior to launch those who were part of the developer preview program had a closed discussion forum on Microsoft Connect, die to the NDA it was not allowed to discuss the information publicly.
On the CPU requirements - yes it sucks and there are other issues with the Emulator like missing 3d acceleration die to the fact it uses HyperV which does not have that capability. Still I would not suggest for people to develop for any platform without being able to test on a real device. This will be possible even without the Emulator.
I disagree with your assumption that we won't see Apps for WP8. Devs who write software for Windows 8 also need a Windows 8 installation, so people who think of porting those Apps will most likely have the infrastructure in place already. For higher profile the costs of a development machine would not be that problematic and C++ as well as middleware support for many gaming engines will make for a lot easier porting of existing Games from other platforms.
The people for which these changes really suck are student developers lile you and me. Only my Windows tablet currently supports the Emulator (Core i5). But still it is a lot nicer then the situation with the Android Emulator in my experience. The later is running to slow for anything iseful on my Core 2 Quad Desktop so I have to use the device for debugging anyway. Additionally only the WP Emulators have Multi-Touch support so I can test those features without deploying to the device.
Concerning XDAs, it has always been more about hacking and tinkering on the system level then user software development. Given that Android due to it's Open Source nature allows for a lot more in that regard it takes no wonder that there is a lot more going on with those than witj WP. Also market share and number of devoces makes for a difference as well.
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ya, I saw that w8 64bit was required to develope at all, and thought wow, why would you limit developers to a brand new unproven ecosystem?
the prehighschool kids are going to be the ones with real innovation, new thinking, and the next Facebook, (I hate fb, but you get the idea) without them, what do you have? Office? really , just Office?

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ya, I saw that w8 64bit was required to develope at all, and thought wow, why would you limit developers to a brand new unproven ecosystem?
the prehighschool kids are going to be the ones with real innovation, new thinking, and the next Facebook, (I hate fb, but you get the idea) without them, what do you have? Office? really , just Office?
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64 bit is likely to not be the big issue here. I haven't seen to many 32 bit Windows 7 machines. The more problematic move is to lock out everyone who is not using Windows 8. Given that students have access to Windows 8, Visual Studio and the Marketplace for free through Dreamspark that does not sound as that big an issue to me.
In the end it seems they had a reason to go with Hyper-V and Windows-8 simply is the only Desktop operating system which has Hyper-V functionality. The biggest problem is that hardware that is older then 2 years does not support the needed virtualization modes.
How the ecosystem argument plays into this I don't really understand but I guess you meant: new OS that has not that big an installed base yet. Well 4 million upgrades over the last 4 days, not counting the people who bought it with new Hardware or downloaded it from MSDN or Dreamspark it seems to go big rather quickly.

The emulator is a crucial part of application development.
I don't think you want to bring in your early app in alpha stages or even earlier than that on your phone, simply because:
a) you don't have it.
b) Your code might cause damage to the phone, especially on things that use hardware components like vibrators, camera, leds and stuff like that. An unleaded exception can wreck havoc on your phone.
c) The emulator is faster.
Yes, you will eventually need a windows phone 8 device before you publish it, but you should be able to develop your apps before you even have one...
The windows 8 issue is not big. The upgrade from win7 costs like 50 bucks. It is really not that much of an effort.
The insane hardware requirements are, however, and most PCs will not have them. From intel's side, only i3, i5 and i7 processors have what they need, and Pentium dual core for sandy bridge won't...
This is the biggest issue here.

ohgood said:
so, what forums do wp dev's hang out ?
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i'm just a noob, but i think when the devs don't hang out here they hang out nowhere or compared to android extremely rare so that it makes no sense to spend time on...
I wish WP8 RT a good future with Dualboot Android.