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All I see in almost every thread is Knox this and Knox that and all the concern. I'm not well versed so someone please educate me if I'm wrong but if all it is for is a warranty issue/concern, then who gives a crap.
I mean, I started with Palm OS devices, migrated to Win OS, transfered to iOS and graduated to Android. Over all those years I never lost a phone, had one stolen or dropped and broke one. So really, unless a lot of you guys are really careless or abusive, why all the concern for "warranty"?
Unless there is a bigger picture I'm missing, I don't get it. So it is just warranty or something else?
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All I see in almost every thread is Knox this and Knox that and all the concern. I'm not well versed so someone please educate me if I'm wrong but if all it is for is a warranty issue/concern, then who gives a crap.
I mean, I started with Palm OS devices, migrated to Win OS, transfered to iOS and graduated to Android. Over all those years I never lost a phone, had one stolen or dropped and broke one. So really, unless a lot of you guys are really careless or abusive, why all the concern for "warranty"?
Unless there is a bigger picture I'm missing, I don't get it. So it is just warranty or something else?
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yeah just warranty only when you root, but there are ways around it like you said who cares , i rooted mine in 5 minutes of having it
We have galaxy s3, note 2 which dying from sds syndrome never rooted never flashed totally stock, before them and when came out 4.0.4 ics update many galaxy s2 bricked when owner tried to factory reset, faulty wifi faulty gps and many many other. For these reasons people wants to have warranty ok.
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I understand it affecting corporate materials and such but no company I know is out buying a fee hundred or more N3's
rooting versus warranty, sure I get that. I have had VZW CSRs try to tell me that crap and not want to troubleshoot things that were network related only to later find out it had nothing to do with my device. They are trained to check and shutdown any support possibly offered.
But this Knox crap, I could care less. My last few devices I paid for off contract (aka full price).
With Knox crippling root (for now at least, hopefully something will come out later) leaving you open to carrier OTA imposed updates and pretty much not control over your phone, I wonder, is this going to hurt Samsung sales in the future? I can tell you this, last night when I became aware I could not root without tripping Knox I was not really happy. This crippled me from using Titanium Backup to restore my apps with their data and moving my ringtones to the system folder where they should be (I had problems on the Note 1 when I had them in the sd card). Now, last night I take an undesired OTA upgrade followed by all my apps updating as well. Not being able to stop the upgrade really did pissed me off, is my phone, not AT&T... I had to restore one app to the previous version and I have no idea what else needs to be rolled back...
Man, I was pissed and having got the phone on Saturday I am really considering return it but I had preorder the spigen screen protector and a new case even before buying the Note 3 and they are installed. I bet if I return it someone will come with a fix next day...:silly::silly: and I would have lost the screen protector.... If this is going to be the norm for Samsung, as much as I hate it, I will not get getting that Note 4 upgrade I was thinking on getting or any of their phones. I think there are other phone manufacturers as good (LG comes to mind)...
What do you guys think?
I HATE KNOX My Warranty Bit already 1 maybe that is silly KNOX WTF. KNOX Mess my GT-I9200 ( Snap Dragon )
Hope samsung will not put KNOX on Exynoss. Hope KNOX will Close the factory. USELESS KNOX
@ Fernandq I think you are better off with Samsung. Lg doesn't update their phones!
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With Knox crippling root (for now at least, hopefully something will come out later) leaving you open to carrier OTA imposed updates and pretty much not control over your phone, I wonder, is this going to hurt Samsung sales in the future? I can tell you this, last night when I became aware I could not root without tripping Knox I was not really happy. This crippled me from using Titanium Backup to restore my apps with their data and moving my ringtones to the system folder where they should be (I had problems on the Note 1 when I had them in the sd card). Now, last night I take an undesired OTA upgrade followed by all my apps updating as well. Not being able to stop the upgrade really did pissed me off, is my phone, not AT&T... I had to restore one app to the previous version and I have no idea what else needs to be rolled back...
Man, I was pissed and having got the phone on Saturday I am really considering return it but I had preorder the spigen screen protector and a new case even before buying the Note 3 and they are installed. I bet if I return it someone will come with a fix next day...:silly::silly: and I would have lost the screen protector.... If this is going to be the norm for Samsung, as much as I hate it, I will not get getting that Note 4 upgrade I was thinking on getting or any of their phones. I think there are other phone manufacturers as good (LG comes to mind)...
What do you guys think?
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Let me explain in very simple words - AT&T has had locked bootloaders for some time, and that has not hurt their sales in any relevant way - you are still their customer, and while we are all *****ing and moaning about the lack of freedom people are still feeding AT&T possibly thousands of US$/year.
So it boils down not so much to "freedom" but to having actual choice and having the consumers vote with their wallet. My current Note 3 can probably last me 2-3 years from now, but when that comes close to an end I will most certainly try to not buy a Samsung + Knox phone if I have a choice! (by that time I will be hoping in something like the Ubuntu phone dual-booting Ubuntu 64 and Android 64).
Lol. Knox doesn't stop root, it only kills warranty. Why should Samsung the warranty if you've modified the device?
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Lol. Knox doesn't stop root, it only kills warranty. Why should Samsung the warranty if you've modified the device?
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Very much AGREE:good:
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Lol. Knox doesn't stop root, it only kills warranty. Why should Samsung the warranty if you've modified the device?
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Knox don't prevent root in itself, I understand that but it does indirecly since it would void the warranty. If I brick my phone I do agree Samsung should not have to fix it but in the past Samsung has declined fixing hardware issues because the software in the device haw been modified even if that modification has nothing to do with the software.
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Knox don't prevent root in itself, I understand that but it does indirecly since it would void the warranty. If I brick my phone I do agree Samsung should not have to fix it but in the past Samsung has declined fixing hardware issues because the software in the device haw been modified even if that modification has nothing to do with the software.
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All the manufacturers will do that if they find you have rooted. The only difference is that both Samsung and HTC have a reliable way of tracking it.
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did i ever said only Samsung?
What is up with xda/mod community and locked bootloaders? Why are we letting OEM's like Samsung force feeding us enterprise security through consumer channels/devices instead of giving us choice? I was very upset tripping Knox disallowed encryption altogether. Not all of us need or want that. Many xda'ers are fairly savvy enough to do as we please with little repercussions. The ones that aren't don't read or don't Google. As a community we should voice our concerns that there should be separate markets/devices/firmware for consumer grade security and enterprise security. Actually I have no qualms with a low level Knox implementation to trip efuses to void warranty for modders. Fair enough without explanation. I want to encrypt my phone even with a tripped fuse. Force feeding Knox is lame and retards the beauty of open source. Knox grade security just doesn't make for an open source recipe anymore. I probably won't get an s5 but it is mainly because of knox and all the disadvantages that are tied into it whether we can cherry pick our security or not. Honestly, as much as I want Samsung and competitors to succeed financially and market share wise, the s5 really needs to fail. BAAAAD. Just so the message gets across to Samsung brass that when we void our warranties, not only do we want to own our phones but we should still be able to add a layer of security that otherwise isn't there because of Knox's all or nothing approach. Knox doesn't let us own our phones. It is an illusion when knox is tripped. The masses don't void their warranties in any way, including just basic root, so why exclude the very very valuable 5% that perpetuates the very nature of open source and furthers the development and customization that has made Android the juggernaut it is? I just don't understand. The masses don't even understand a sliver of what knox offers, not even including the small 5% that don't want it but can't avoid it. I truly hope our small community can put enough of a dent in s5 sales and future knoxified phones that Samsung will sit up and notice. A little HTC or Sony sideline contemplation of what we did wrong and what can we do to invite potentially loyal customers back would do Samsung a lot of good. SMDH. Thoughts?
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Well, HTC has S-ON, LG has GATE, Sammy has Knox. We all know Android wasn't meant to be secure (?), and in the age of NSA and it's friends spying the world I guess people are looking at way to keep things safe. Of course the GS5 won't be a fail, probably will be another hit and is Android really that open as some people believe? Because Android without Google isn't true Android.
I know android isn't full throttle open. Nonetheless, secure android should be an option. Not shoveled in. Android has enough fragmentation. Knox and the equivalent just throws the open part out the window and hinders development and freedom. It really is bunk we can't encrypt if we trip knox. That just throws any illusion of security out the window. Like I said. All or nothing. No middle ground. Pure lame. I hope people vote with their wallets and make Samsung reconsider the faux security. I'd rather have no security than knox bulltihs. Software security will never be 100% secure and when there is a will there is a way. All it takes is any flaw and exploits galore are there for the taking.
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I know android isn't full throttle open. Nonetheless, secure android should be an option. Not shoveled in. Android has enough fragmentation. Knox and the equivalent just throws the open part out the window and hinders development and freedom. It really is bunk we can't encrypt if we trip knox. That just throws any illusion of security out the window. Like I said. All or nothing. No middle ground. Pure lame. I hope people vote with their wallets and make Samsung reconsider the faux security. I'd rather have no security than know bulltihs. Software security will never be 100% secure and when there is a will there is a way. All it takes is any flaw and exploits galore are there for the taking.
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Samsung MUST have Knox or something similar to be able to sell their phones as Business Phones, otherwise that will be a sole market for Apple(who even thinks about Windows Phone?), so Knox it is. But the implementation could have been far better, that is true, but it has to be there anyway
Lets hope Samsung develops Knox to be more dev-friendly!
xeizo said:
Samsung MUST have Knox or something similar to be able to sell their phones as Business Phones, otherwise that will be a sole market for Apple(who even thinks about Windows Phone?), so Knox it is. But the implementation could have been far better, that is true, but it has to be there anyway
Lets hope Samsung develops Knox to be more dev-friendly!
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i agree with you completely but they can easy make the phones with Knox and Non Knox bootloader-kernels-roms want secure or not we deserve at least to have a CHOISE FOR OUR MONEY dont you think that is so easy to make KIES option secure rom or not i love samsung devices but because of their NO CHOISE policy i will not get S5 i guess S4 will be the last Samsung device for me atleast until some one figure out how to rip knox out
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I really don't understand why Samsung should even think 2 sec about few geeks who don't even make up 1% of potential sales?? In any case, geeks love to hate Samsung.
Here's something -- don't like it, don't buy it. You got Nexus, HTC, Moto, Sony and tons of other phones. Why keep whining about same exact issue 10x everyday? it's not like Samsung is your only choice.
Out of all polls done recently by all tech blogs, 80-90% of the voters didn't like/want S5. If I was a Samsung manager, I will simply think that you guys anyway don't want my phones. So, why the hell should I bother about 10% of geek population?? even if I lose those 10% geeks, it hardly makes any difference to my balance sheet.
Bottomline, Samsung (rightly) ignores anything on XDA/androidpolice/or any other tech blog. They are in a business to sell phones to common people and businesses. Whether 0.5% of population are pissed at them is totally irrelevant. if I want in Samsung sales guy, I won't ever thin about what guys say in XDA.
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I really don't understand why Samsung should even think 2 sec about few geeks who don't even make up 1% of potential sales?? In any case, geeks love to hate Samsung.
Here's something -- don't like it, don't buy it. You got Nexus, HTC, Moto, Sony and tons of other phones. Why keep whining about same exact issue 10x everyday? it's not like Samsung is your only choice.
Out of all polls done recently by all tech blogs, 80-90% of the voters didn't like/want S5. If I was a Samsung manager, I will simply think that you guys anyway don't want my phones. So, why the hell should I bother about 10% of geek population?? even if I lose those 10% geeks, it hardly makes any difference to my balance sheet.
Bottomline, Samsung (rightly) ignores anything on XDA/androidpolice/or any other tech blog. They are in a business to sell phones to common people and businesses. Whether 0.5% of population are pissed at them is totally irrelevant. if I want in Samsung sales guy, I won't ever thin about what guys say in XDA.
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+1 but there's also these "I was expecting innovation." comments like Samsung has a magic wand to bring the future to the present without any compromises to usability. I'll quote a comment I saw in Apple Insider.
Gotta love all the tech geeks disappointed because Samsung didn't release some fantasy phone with crazy specs. Perhaps they're finding out that incremental updates are the norm, not just reserved for Apple.
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Gotta love all the tech geeks disappointed because Samsung didn't release some fantasy phone with crazy specs. Perhaps they're finding out that incremental updates are the norm, not just reserved for Apple.
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That is some seriously solid statement, absolutely true. It's not like any of the competitor actually got a holographic display or a processor which doesn't suck battery.
And out of so many so-called *innovators*, Samsung got the best mobile device award in MWC 2014 (Gear Fit). I would say that's pretty good for a company that doesn't innovate.
For a *normal* person, upgrading from S2/S3 to S5 is a decent jump. Obviously, someone upgrading from S4 to S5 won't find much value, same goes for every other flagship.
Apple/Samsung are victims of hype-machine. Obviously they are also the best in milking this hype. And I say both of them have earned their spot in the top of food chain.
I would be ALL for the Note 4. The S pen is a huge plus! My issue with the note4 is I root my phone.
Now I know T-moble does not look for the knox flag now with trade ins on jump; but that doesn't meant samsung will not make the start. Knox being tripped in the future may cause issues with trade in using Tmobile Jump. Thoughts opinions? Please reply to this!
I don't think that is a worry. Beyond the fact that half the T-Mobile agents won't even know what you are talking about, that would be a headache for T-Mobile. They release phones with open boot loaders, and they claim to be uncarrier.
I would worry about it. Worse comes to worse...don't trade it in, sale it.
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I would be ALL for the Note 4. The S pen is a huge plus! My issue with the note4 is I root my phone.
Now I know T-moble does not look for the knox flag now with trade ins on jump; but that doesn't meant samsung will not make the start. Knox being tripped in the future may cause issues with trade in using Tmobile Jump. Thoughts opinions? Please reply to this!
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Simple answer..
don't root your phone if you're this paranoid...
Will keep the Note 4. Not having an extSd slot is a deal breaker. Don't trust keeping all files in Dropbox or a. cloud
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I would be ALL for the Note 4. The S pen is a huge plus! My issue with the note4 is I root my phone.
Now I know T-moble does not look for the knox flag now with trade ins on jump; but that doesn't meant samsung will not make the start. Knox being tripped in the future may cause issues with trade in using Tmobile Jump. Thoughts opinions? Please reply to this!
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Tmobile dosent care and won't care the phones are sent back to there repair building and its broke down for parts or all flags are Clearlake sold as a refurbished
I really wouldn't worry about it. I managed to rock my s4 on the cyanogen nightlies with the latest modems without ever tripping knox. Thanks to buying the phone when it first came out and it coming with the 4.2 bootloader.
I tripped knox the second day I had this phone. No regrets. I'm rooted, team win recovery, running firekat v4. Haven't seen anyone with a better phone. And, Austin is pretty tech savvy.
If I needed to return or exchange or jump i would use the same plan as when we used to worry about the flash counter.
1. Odin to stock.
2. And, don't sound like you know how to program cell phones you are talking to Samsung or Tmobile.
There is not a better phone currently or in the near future.
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I returned a rooted s4 to Samsung directly with the flash counter tripped because I broke the back camera flashing those cm nightlies and was concerned about messing the phone up further trying to unroot. Got a brand new s4, european back cover, extra battery, and extra set of headphones out of it.
All you have to do is Odin to stock.
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I really wouldn't worry about it. I managed to rock my s4 on the cyanogen nightlies with the latest modems without ever tripping knox. Thanks to buying the phone when it first came out and it coming with the 4.2 bootloader.
I tripped knox the second day I had this phone. No regrets. I'm rooted, team win recovery, running firekat v4. Haven't seen anyone with a better phone. And, Austin is pretty tech savvy.
If I need to return or exchange or jump same plan as when we used to worry about the flash counter. Odin to stock. Don't sound like you know how to program cell phones when you are asking to return, exchange, jump.
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It doesn't sound like I know how to flash to stock? My 8yo niece can do that lol
Did you fully read my OP? I said I know they do not look for Knox flags NOW. I am worried Samsung may make them START in the future. If I go with the note4 ill be on it till there is a note 5.
You dont think the nexus6 compares? The bigger screen is nice so is lolypop and ALWAYS having the newest android ahead of everyone else.
The nexus 6 has some major flaws. Camera is a downgrade. Big time. Same as every other nexus. No microsd card slot is a joke. I don't want my files on the cloud. I don't want to not have access to stuff because of a bad cell signal, no cell signal, whatever else beyond my control.
The phone is also gigantic. It is bigger than the iPhone 6 plus which is a gigantic phone to begin with. It is also pretty damn thick. Battery isn't that great considering all of this.
I am happy with my Note 4 and would take it over any nexus garbage. To get the new OS sooner you get downgraded hardware.
Only thing nice on the nexus is the screen. But even then it just matches the Note 4. Everything else is a downgrade.
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In no way shape or form does the Nexus 6 compare to the Note 4. I could care less about fast upgrades. I prefer to let the beta testers work out the bugs and get a properly working rom when it's ready.
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The nexus 6 has some major flaws. Camera is a downgrade. Big time. Same as every other nexus. No microsd card slot is a joke. I don't want my files on the cloud. I don't want to not have access to stuff because of a bad cell signal, no cell signal, whatever else beyond my control.
The phone is also gigantic. It is bigger than the iPhone 6 plus which is a gigantic phone to begin with. It is also pretty damn thick. Battery isn't that great considering all of this.
I am happy with my Note 4 and would take it over any nexus garbage. To get the new OS sooner you get downgraded hardware.
Only thing nice on the nexus is the screen. But even then it just matches the Note 4. Everything else is a downgrade.
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The screen on the Nexus isn't even nice... bigger yes, but it is of lesser quality.
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The galaxy note 3 was the first phone that had restrictions after rooting it > the knox trigger. It wasn't mcuh a problem tho because here in romania, from the store i bought it, they didn't even know what knox means and if i ever had an issue with hardware defects they would repair them for free under warranty.
Bot now with the newer models i heard samsung pay stops working, knox triggers and so on.
What are the main issues wirh rooting on this phone? Because if there are too many problems i might consider the lg g5.
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The galaxy note 3 was the first phone that had restrictions after rooting it > the knox trigger. It wasn't mcuh a problem tho because here in romania, from the store i bought it, they didn't even know what knox means and if i ever had an issue with hardware defects they would repair them for free under warranty.
Bot now with the newer models i heard samsung pay stops working, knox triggers and so on.
What are the main issues wirh rooting on this phone? Because if there are too many problems i might consider the lg g5.
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What?? Don't threaten us going to LG. How dare you.
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There is no downside. I rooted a note 5 and installed a custom Rom. I had just bought the phone from a T-Mobile store. 4 days later I took it back and got a refund. I just flashed stock firmware in odin and all was back to how I got it. I got the s7 edge now. I received it Monday.
Down side to rooting? Corporations stop getting revenue from pre loaded click bait. They may have to lower the COs bonus
there is a big downside. if you root and trip knox you can no longer use samsung pay with the Magnetic strip technology . no root you can pay on any swipe machine no matter how old it is.
until we can root without tripping knox id advise against it
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there is a big downside. if you root and trip knox you can no longer use samsung pay with the Magnetic strip technology . no root you can pay on any swipe machine no matter how old it is.
until we can root without tripping knox id advise against it
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But if I unroot will i be able to use samsung pay, or its broken forever?
The only downside is no Samsung pay. Tripping Knox doesn't void warranty. I've even seen people ask Samsung directly and were told they could still send it in for repair etc.the whole Knox thing is blown out of proportion.
About a week after rooting my Note 5, I was totally bummed. Why? Because Samsung started pushing Samsung Pay with various promotions. And, as we all know now, Samsung won't allow Samsung Pay on a Knox-tripped device. For that reason, I'm waiting to root my S7e until I can secure whatever Pay promotions that might be around the corner...
This is the only thing preventing me from buying this phone. I don't care about Knox but I don't want to break Samsung pay.
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I stopped rooting my phone from the S6 edge. 2 years ago, it was easy to find apps working on rooting phones that were not supposed to work. Now, it's almost impossible. Personally, I have too many apps that I REALLY need that wouldn't work on a rooted phone, (Samsung Pay, All of my bank apps, Good for Mobile (work email) etc....)
I think Samsung Pay is priceless. Imagine not having to carry an ugly bulky wallet ever again. On top of that, it's way more secure then using a regular credit card. With all data breaches occurring every day, I'll definitely stay out of rooting the phone. I think is just like opening a can of worms. Of course, if you only use your phone for gaming and leisure, and don't care about security for sensitive data like bank accounts apps, personal or work email and other sensitive data, then go ahead and root(hack) the hell out of it. How can you really trust 3rd party mods? I've always been skeptical of open source software. That's my little 2 cents.
If you do root your phone, make sure you change passwords every minute
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I think Samsung Pay is priceless. Imagine not having to carry an ugly bulky wallet ever again. On top of that, it's way more secure then using a regular credit card. With all data breaches occurring every day, I'll definitely stay out of rooting the phone. I think is just like opening a can of worms. Of course, if you only use your phone for gaming and leisure, and don't care about security for sensitive data like bank accounts apps, personal or work email and other sensitive data, then go ahead and root(hack) the hell out of it. How can you really trust 3rd party mods? I've always been skeptical of open source software. That's my little 2 cents.
If you do root your phone, make sure you change passwords every minute
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The difference is pretty simple, you can trust open source software, because there are loads of people not connected to any company which know how to code are able to take a look at it and give alert, if there is something suspicious included.
At closed source you have to trust what the company is telling you.
BTW, you are aware that android is open source at it's core.
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Except when that works the opposite of that... OpenSSL, bash, Apache, etc etc etc...
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Except when that works the opposite of that... OpenSSL, bash, Apache, etc etc etc...
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Every software has bugs, at open source software it can at least be found and fixed fast. And seriously, Apache? IIS is much worse and iOS for example lacks behind at most security reports, it's walled garden just safes it to some extend.
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Don't care about Knox nor Samsung Pay. So as soon as it's available, I'm rooting.