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Converting to a Droid 4

Hey Folks,
Anyone tested out the Droid 4? I used to have a G1 and loved it. Now I am contemplating switching back to android but want a qwerty. G2 would be great but it seems a bit old/outdated..
Has any G2 user switched to a droid 4 (seems like the best qwerty, with little plans to make a super smartphone with a qwerty) and how is it??
Thanks.

I love my Droid 4, the keyboard is a lot better than the G2.
Pros:
Bigger Screen
Higher Pixel Density
Dual Core 1.2 Ghz CPU
1GB of RAM
Amazing Keyboard
SD Card Support
Eventual ICS
Cons:
Locked Bootloader (Still have the ability to install Custom ROMS, but no Custom Kernels)
Pentile Display (Makes some colors look more dotted)
Still on Gingerbread
Non-Removable Battery

Thanks!! Super helpful.
Hmm unfortunately the locked bootloader is quite unfortunate. Might be a dealbreaker. (Also no sim card) I swung by a VZ store today to check out the galaxy nexus and also played with the droid 4. Honestly wasnt that impressed with the keyboard, although its probably because I have been spoiled by my blackberry 9900 which has the best keyboard ever. Suppose its going to be hard to find a better keyboard.
I am now swinging towards the gnex with a prepaid plan through tmobile for $30/month (!!). Gosh I am so indecisive.
PS- check your phone OTA for updates, the guy in store was updating the Droid4 there to ICS.

Was thinking about getting a droid 4 myself but the support for it is minimal on xda, maybe its a little better on roots wiki?
The bootstrap n the names they have for recovery is a bit confusing why not just say recovery, bootloader etc.

austriker27 said:
PS- check your phone OTA for updates, the guy in store was updating the Droid4 there to ICS.
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The only official ICS for the D4 are the leaked builds, but not official OTA yet. The only Moto phone that is getting updates right now is the Droid Razr/Razr MAXX to ICS. The guy at the VZW Store must be updating to the leak builds lol.

smile_ppl said:
The only official ICS for the D4 are the leaked builds, but not official OTA yet. The only Moto phone that is getting updates right now is the Droid Razr/Razr MAXX to ICS. The guy at the VZW Store must be updating to the leak builds lol.
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Oh sorry perhaps he was updating the droid razr, etc rather than the droid4. It was the OTA update as I watched him do it (obviously not that carefully lol). Sorry for the false hope

[Poll/Opinion] Who's still running a GPE device/or converted?

Since the release of GPE Devices, people thought that things would change. I am not sure that the devices sold like hotcakes, but I do know some people did buy them. With their release also came the possibility to fully convert your Sense-based HTC One to a fully stock GPE stock android device. Thanks to @graffixnyc for his thread. Please ask there for questions on how to do that.
Since the other GPE threads got closed down, I'd like to know who has a GPE device/or converted and maybe why you are running with the device or converted? This thread is also open to speculation, theories, and off topic thoughts in anticipation of 4.4 OTA.
While I don't encourage flaming, and google-bashing. I do want this specific thread to be to throw out those ideas about what you think google's plan for GPE devices is and how this will change now that Moto is getting some limelight?
I am currently running a Tmobile USA branded HTC one that I have s-off and fully converted to GPE when 4.4 was announced with the n5. I am still waiting patiently for the OTA and just curious as to why Google is holding on to it when Moto X is getting theirs and has no issues, as well as N4 and other nexus devices.

Same story for me. T-Mobile converted to GPe to give KitKat a try since my Nexus 4 screen is broken. At this point I'm expecting the Developer Edition to be on 4.4 before the GPe so I'll probably be converting back to Dev Edition next week.
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PikkonX said:
Same story for me. T-Mobile converted to GPe to give KitKat a try since my Nexus 4 screen is broken. At this point I'm expecting the Developer Edition to be on 4.4 before the GPe so I'll probably be converting back to Dev Edition next week.
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I've read a few people are going that same route also. While it sounds tempting, I'd rather just keep waiting. I have little time anymore to keep switching back and forth. If it does get delayed past January (seems crazy it would) , I may think about it.
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To me converting a Sense version 5 or 5.5 to GPE is taking 2 steps backwards. You have in essence turned a Porsche into a VW. I have a HP Touchpad that runs Cyanogen 10.2 and it's just plain and ugly, functional yes but with the stock launcher it's just too plain. My Wife has an HTC First that has the Facebook Home shut off so it's plain android and again it's functional but nothing special. I've had my One since Release and theirs just no way I would give up all the features that HTC has put into the Sense Experience (minus the AT&T Bloat ) I have run CleanRom, ARHD, and now InsertCoin and this is by far the Greatest Phone I have ever owned. Rock On HTC !!

clsA said:
To me converting a Sense version 5 or 5.5 to GPE is taking 2 steps backwards. You have in essence turned a Porsche into a VW. I have a HP Touchpad that runs Cyanogen 10.2 and it's just plain and ugly, functional yes but with the stock launcher it's just too plain. My Wife has an HTC First that has the Facebook Home shut off so it's plain android and again it's functional but nothing special. I've had my One since Release and theirs just no way I would give up all the features that HTC has put into the Sense Experience (minus the AT&T Bloat ) I have run CleanRom, ARHD, and now InsertCoin and this is by far the Greatest Phone I have ever owned. Rock On HTC !!
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That's why I love this phone so much. I loved sensed 5 when I got it. I converted then I changed back because I missed the features. Once Tmobile finally rolled out the 4.3 update I realized that it didn't make a difference. I had the power to get what I wanted out of the phone . so I fully converted when I saw htc had released their update schedule. In hindsight I could have waited until it was officially out. I guess I got duped by the 15 day delivery period. Still htc has some balls these days trying to climb to the top.
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I converted to GPE a couple of days ago but i'm now back on sense. I used to be one of those who flashed aosp roms as soon as i got a new phone but the table has turned.... The Htc One with sense 5 is awesome. Everything is super smooth out of the box and i mean phone and software I will convert to DE next week for the sense kit kat update A big :good: to HTC for the work they done on Sense 5...keep it up.

As soon as I got my SaskTel (BM__01) phone I converted it to GPE and haven't looked back since. I found sense too dull looking. I'm currently on the latest 4.3 with the google experience launcher and it's perfect.
Originally my plan was to run CM 10.2 but I never got around to installing it. I've been following development for a long time and it seems to be going down the same road as the galaxy s2 did. Little annoying problems that will never be fixed.

So no one here has been running a real gpe phone?
sent from my gpe HTC one

monkeypaws said:
So no one here has been running a real gpe phone?
sent from my gpe HTC one
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I have a 'real' GPE phone, but I converted to Dev Edition because this phone was awful for me with AOSP.

I have been rocking GPE for a couple weeks because I thought the 4.4 OTA was about to drop and wanted to try it. I will convert back to Dev Edition in an instant if 4.4 drops for it though.
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I am not able to run a ge Rom... It messes up my lte no matter if I flash firmwares or anything. (Tmo btw) on stock firmware I get excellent reception as if I flash ge &firmware I get barely a line of reception and I'm stuck with almost edge speeds until it decides to go down to hspa+ so for me until I find out why, I'm stuck with sense. I did run a ge Rom for a day and besides the network problems, is awesome, I love it.
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Though GE was good the out of box sound experience was bad compared to Sense.
And since it seams to take time untill Google pushes KitKat i switched back to Sense.
HTC One | Viper 3.1

Can an at&t be converted the developers edition?
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I converted mainly for the fast updates (f ewe Google BTW). My plan was to run stock as long as they pushed them out then consider a custom ROM once those dried up.
I've been running gpe about 2 months and love it. Not really missing sense asides camera which for me isn't a deal breaker anyway.
I run a custom launcher and use Tasker to make functional tweaks. Happy with what I've got at the moment but Google are dulling the experience at the moment.
Anyone got a link to a DE conversion thread? If HTC land 4.4 on DE before GPE it may become an option.
BTW HTC make that happen and make Google look like real clowns. Plus you can stick your Motto X.
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monkeypaws said:
So no one here has been running a real gpe phone?
sent from my gpe HTC one
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Running a stock 'real' unmolested One GPE and very happy.
I previously had a work supplied One, with Sense. While I do not dislike Sense, I find little use for most of it's features.

i'm running a real GPE one and proud of it. patiently waiting for kitkat as well. did it bother me the ota isnt pushed out yet?? yes but to say the least im happy its still gunna get the update..i for one would rather wait a few to have a good solid build rather than a buggy one..reguardless of what htc did or say..im just happy its getting updated. remember "nexus like" experience this isnt a nexus so of course its gunna lag behind with updates..
truth be told i mainly purchased this device for 2 reasons STOCK ANDROID and REMARKABLE HTC BUILD QUALITY.
evryone can get mad at google or htc and whine about it but thats not going to help push it out faster..also i've been noticing a handful of people dropping this phone real or converted just because the moto x has kitkat..and moviing on to that.
i came from a nexus 4 and honestly this phone runs circles around the nexus perfect size weight build quality and stock android.

" @LlabTooFeR One Google Edition will get 4.4 update based on latest build KRT16S"
This might be the reason why 4.4 isn't out yet.
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Update back in HTC's hands then? If it is they are keeping that quiet.
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iKarido said:
" @LlabTooFeR One Google Edition will get 4.4 update based on latest build KRT16S"
This might be the reason why 4.4 isn't out yet.
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That's great. I was wondering if that was the reason. I'm liking the comments on here and I wonder what the future for gpe will hold. Seems like moto x came back from the grave.
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I'm still using a real GPe. I bought this after selling my att HTC One before the conversion process was made so available.
Liked sense, but didn't need it. Prefer the stock android experience and quick update without flashing. Although that seems to be a problem this time around.
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Should I return my G Pad?

Merry Christmas everyone. Well my wife went out and bought be a G pad. While I'm extremely appreciative of her doing this, I didn't really want her to get me one at full price. I mentioned that I wanted one when it was only $300 at Best Buy. I guess I have no issue with keeping it but I just want to know the chances of this thing running stock Android. Is there a chance that this tablet could run a stock Android rom and get OTA updates? I'm over trying to mess with custom roms because they are always terrible and never work as well as stock.

If she paid full price then my suggestion would be to return it and get the GPE version if you want to run stock android. You might want to discuss this option with her to see how she feels about it if you're worried about her feeling hurt.

Vitamin_D said:
Merry Christmas everyone. Well my wife went out and bought be a G pad. While I'm extremely appreciative of her doing this, I didn't really want her to get me one at full price. I mentioned that I wanted one when it was only $300 at Best Buy. I guess I have no issue with keeping it but I just want to know the chances of this thing running stock Android. Is there a chance that this tablet could run a stock Android rom and get OTA updates? I'm over trying to mess with custom roms because they are always terrible and never work as well as stock.
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In my galaxy tab 2 cyanogen works 100 times better than its stock android as it doesnt have all the useless bloatware and frees up ram and memory. Stock firmwarein gpad runs just fine, especially if you have other android devices or a lg televison as it comes with usefull apps that only lg delivers. I dont find a reason to return gpad as it's the best tablet at the moment.

tgmorris said:
If she paid full price then my suggestion would be to return it and get the GPE version if you want to run stock android. You might want to discuss this option with her to see how she feels about it if you're worried about her feeling hurt.
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The LG os is just ok. Not so bloated like TouchWiz roms and if you uninstall some bloat you just will be OK with it.
I prefer much the lg version instead of stock android because I have a smart tv (Samsung by the way) and miracast works flawless.
I don't like stock android much, the LG keyboard is awesome!
I tried paranoid android and other 4.4.2 ROM and cm and I can tell you that they all loose much against stock firmware.
Only to give you an idea my cleaned stock ROM as 24 k antutu points and other 3 aosp based are in range from 17 to 21k!
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katsika said:
In my galaxy tab 2 cyanogen works 100 times better than its stock android as it doesnt have all the useless bloatware and frees up ram and memory. Stock firmwarein gpad runs just fine, especially if you have other android devices or a lg televison as it comes with usefull apps that only lg delivers. I dont find a reason to return gpad as it's the best tablet at the moment.
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I've used CM on phones with mixed results. I'm just getting to the point in my life where I can't be f'ing with Android roms. I want it clean and working.

Vitamin_D said:
I've used CM on phones with mixed results. I'm just getting to the point in my life where I can't be f'ing with Android roms. I want it clean and working.
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I'm the opinion that cm is good for old devices that are forgotten. I never get better working device nor with aosp or cm. You miss all ways something and to get a stable release you need a year. I've s2 and the good working cm ROM is from last year.
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testadeferro said:
The LG os is just ok. Not so bloated like TouchWiz roms and if you uninstall some bloat you just will be OK with it.
I prefer much the lg version instead of stock android because I have a smart tv (Samsung by the way) and miracast works flawless.
I don't like stock android much, the LG keyboard is awesome!
I tried paranoid android and other 4.4.2 ROM and cm and I can tell you that they all loose much against stock firmware.
Only to give you an idea my cleaned stock ROM as 24 k antutu points and other 3 aosp based are in range from 17 to 21k!
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I just got 26k using mahdi ROM.. Didn't bench on stock.
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I just discovered the LG G Pad like three minutes ago. It looks pretty good for some future plans I have with using a tablet as a car stereo interface. Damn good, actually.
Anyways, I have an AT&T Galaxy S4. As you may or may not know, there is also a Google Play Edition S4 out there. And naturally, the ROM for that phone was ported over to the Euro version of the S4 which we are able to flash on the AT&T S4 (with an AT&T custom kernel).
And the Google Play Edition ROM I ran was 99.99% stock and 100% rock solid. I would not hesitate for a second to flash that ROM again if I weren't a big fan of AOSP.
So, if this can be done for the S4, then I would assume you can flash the Google Play Edition G Pad ROM onto your regular 'ol G Pad at some point when the dev's port it over.
Google Play Edition:
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=lg_g_pad&hl=en

CZ Eddie said:
So, if this can be done for the S4, then I would assume you can flash the Google Play Edition G Pad ROM onto your regular 'ol G Pad at some point when the dev's port it over.
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That's what I was hoping for but I might just get a Nexus 7.

CZ Eddie said:
I just discovered the LG G Pad like three minutes ago. It looks pretty good for some future plans I have with using a tablet as a car stereo interface. Damn good, actually.
Anyways, I have an AT&T Galaxy S4. As you may or may not know, there is also a Google Play Edition S4 out there. And naturally, the ROM for that phone was ported over to the Euro version of the S4 which we are able to flash on the AT&T S4 (with an AT&T custom kernel).
And the Google Play Edition ROM I ran was 99.99% stock and 100% rock solid. I would not hesitate for a second to flash that ROM again if I weren't a big fan of AOSP.
So, if this can be done for the S4, then I would assume you can flash the Google Play Edition G Pad ROM onto your regular 'ol G Pad at some point when the dev's port it over.
Google Play Edition:
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=lg_g_pad&hl=en
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The s4 is not the Europe version but the international version gt 9505.
In Samsung devices is easier because you have open bootloaders.
And the matter that makes the possibility to convert is if there are many hardware and partition differences.
To tell you the true and going off topic the s4 as many problems with reboots and stability with the ge port.
I've Tryed myself 3 or 4 times and gone back to TouchWiz. Battery drains, reboots and much more. I think the issue was been kernel releated.
Cheers
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Vitamin_D said:
Merry Christmas everyone. Well my wife went out and bought be a G pad. While I'm extremely appreciative of her doing this, I didn't really want her to get me one at full price. I mentioned that I wanted one when it was only $300 at Best Buy. I guess I have no issue with keeping it but I just want to know the chances of this thing running stock Android. Is there a chance that this tablet could run a stock Android rom and get OTA updates? I'm over trying to mess with custom roms because they are always terrible and never work as well as stock.
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Number one, just be happy with what you've got, you sound really pathetic. Number two, our custom ROMs are daily drivers and work better than LGs stock ROM. Number three, conversion to GPE is at a stand still, so it's impossible at the moment to get OTAs from anything but LG.

I'm a huge fan of CM. The nightlies may have minor bugs here or there but it generally makes a huge difference in performance to the phones I've installed it on. This is probably because its a newer version of Android - I installed CM7 on a Froyo phone and CM9 on a gingerbread phone. Even CM10 is better on a JB device. Much smoother with less lag and obviously stripped of bloatware.
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You could...punch her in the face and demand an iPad Air.

Reckoning said:
You could...punch her in the face and demand an iPad Air.
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That's not nice on any day especially on Christmas.

techrider6262 said:
That's not nice on any day especially on Christmas.
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My bad, I was in Walmart yesterday so I thought punching people over gifts was in the spirit of Christmas.

Reckoning said:
My bad, I was in Walmart yesterday so I thought punching people over gifts was in the spirit of Christmas.
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Besides I would do it for buying me a ipad

techrider6262 said:
Besides I would do it for buying me a ipad
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Now, now..WWJD? He'd jailbreak that mofo and send Steve Jobs to Perdition...

Vitamin_D said:
Well my wife went out and bought a G pad. While I'm extremely appreciative of her doing this, I didn't really want her to get me one at full price. I mentioned that I wanted one when it was only $300 at Best Buy. I guess I have no issue with keeping it I'm over trying to mess with custom roms because they are always terrible and never work as well as stock.
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Vitamin_D said:
I might just get a Nexus 7.
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If it's the difference in cost, Newegg has the Tablet for $299.99 Right Now... I was able to purchase my G-Pad on that event Saturday at BB for the cost of $279.00.. yes, it was a great deal.
I would think long and hard about going back to a 7" Tablet after owning an 8.3" Tablet.. And don't forget, you can Root the Tablet you have in a few minutes.. (It took me 2 Minutes) and maintain all the stability of Stock and Freeze or better yet, Uninstall all the apps you feel are Bloatware.. The Best of Both Worlds.. I'm running Mahdi right now and it's 100% stable and very smooth..

testadeferro said:
The s4 is not the Europe version but the international version gt 9505.
In Samsung devices is easier because you have open bootloaders.
And the matter that makes the possibility to convert is if there are many hardware and partition differences.
To tell you the true and going off topic the s4 as many problems with reboots and stability with the ge port.
I've Tryed myself 3 or 4 times and gone back to TouchWiz. Battery drains, reboots and much more. I think the issue was been kernel releated.
Cheers
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not all GS4's are equal as the att s4 is also in the same place as the g pad, it needs to be lokified as well, and actually the gpe port was not as bad (at least on the att cooked version) as you make it out to be, myself going to beanstalk with it being stable (not rock stable) but most of the time stable
otherwise like the dev mention it should be something silly being the reason why not everything works on the gpe, looking over the gpe (as it doesn't have the gpu problems all the other roms have) it does have a different file structure, but it shouldn't be impossible to bring it up
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If it's the difference in cost, Newegg has the Tablet for $299.99 Right Now... I was able to purchase my G-Pad on that event Saturday at BB for the cost of $279.00.. yes, it was a great deal.. enough so that I turned in my Nexus 7 for the G-Pad 8.3.
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sweet got mine for about 275 shipped

darkassain said:
sweet got mine for about 275 shipped
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Yeah.. Newegg had them at the time for $249.99 shipped.. but I wanted to pay the $30.00 extra for 2 reasons.. 1) If anything was not right, I could just walk it in to BestBuy the same day and get a replacement.. 2) The return window was over 30 days.. I purchased the 1st week of December and have until January 15th to return/replace it if need be or the Mysterious Nexus 10 2014 should pop up in that time frame and be something REALLY special..
For the moment.. This is the Hottest Ticket on the Planet.

[Q] KitKat?

I got my VN3 a month or so back and decided to wait on rooting until KitKat was released, allegedly in march. I got tired of waiting and went ahead and rooted, using Kingo 1.1.5.xx (MJE).
I imagine that KitKat is still forthcoming for this phone(?). I've installed a few root apps (Titanium, Mobile Odin, etc.).
Questions:
1. If and when KK is available for the VN3, will I need to unroot the phone?
2. What method should I use...Kingo, Odin?
3. Should I take it easy on how many root apps I install until I know if I'll need to unroot?
4. Will it be worthwhile (or even viable) to install KK, or will most rooted users stay with 4.3?
Thanks,
Sam

i wouldn't worry about that. Our Note 3s will be old news by the time verizon gets around to kitkat. They are bust pushing the new Galaxy S5 right now. But don't despair...Kitkat isn't an exciting leap into the future. I had an AOSP (or AOKP?) on my LG G2, and in the state it was in, I ended up going back to, and being deliriously happy, with 4.3. After running 4.4 with all its issues, when I went back to 4.3 there wasn't a single 4.4 feature I missed.

almahix said:
i wouldn't worry about that. Our Note 3s will be old news by the time verizon gets around to kitkat. They are bust pushing the new Galaxy S5 right now. But don't despair...Kitkat isn't an exciting leap into the future. I had an AOSP (or AOKP?) on my LG G2, and in the state it was in, I ended up going back to, and being deliriously happy, with 4.3. After running 4.4 with all its issues, when I went back to 4.3 there wasn't a single 4.4 feature I missed.
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Sorry I somehow missed this. I have to agree. I actually kept GB 2.3 (build EL26 & 29) on my S2. Bumping it up a time or two for various updates, but always Odin'ed back to EL.
The fact that Vzw was alleged to release it in March prompted me to wait and see if I wanted it. But I'm rooted now and will be fine where I'm at. Absolutely fine, in fact.
One irritation with my S2, however, was that I kept having to deal with the update nag.

almahix said:
But don't despair...Kitkat isn't an exciting leap into the future. I had an AOSP (or AOKP?) on my LG G2, and in the state it was in, I ended up going b3ack to, and being deliriously happy, with 4.3. After running 4.4 with all its issues, when I went back to 4.3 there wasn't a single 4.4 feature I missed.
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Unless your like a lot of people with multiple modern samsung devices that enjoy not having many cool features until kit kat. My Verizon N3 can't get kit kat soon enough. My gear fit and tab pro are being held back on functionalities waiting for my Note!

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Kitkat don't have any attractive feature. 4.3 is better then KK for N3. Kindly note that 4.3 built in software is better then KK.
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Having had a Moto X that was destroyed by 4.4 (I left it for the Note 3 before it took Verizon years to get it 4.4.2) and a Nexus 7 that got 4.4, and quickly 4.4.2 after that ----- I can live with 4.3. I agree with the comments that there really isn't anything must have about 4.4. On my Moto X - 4.4 destroyed battery life. My Nexus 7 2013 got much better battery life with 4.3 than it gets with 4.4.2 with greenify.
And yes, I got all caught up in the 4.4 KitKat hype, bought the bars, and believed every word of the "redesigned, less footprint, more battery life" hype that never came true. lol.
Edit: To answer OP's question: The only way I'm considering 4.4 on my Note 3 is if one of the Rom devs here offer it - more specifically CleanRom. Otherwise, happily running 4.3 till I can afford the Note 4. lol.

i didnt care at all UNTIL i got a Tab Pro and Gear Fit that were designed to work with Kit Kat. i have ran into many things that requires Kit Kat on my N3 like the latest S Health for Fit to work fully or Sync 3.0 for sharing files from N3. there were a few more as well.
so to call it useless depends on what you may need it for as i could really use it now.

As Fletch33 states, some people have a need for KitKat. As for me, having stayed with GB for so long, JB 4.3 is quite the upgrade (as is the N3). JB on my S2 just didn't cut it. I can live without KK as long as I have to, but really, it's all academic at this point, since Verizon has passed their timeline of 'sometime in March'. And from what I'm hearing, it may take quite some time to see it happen.
That being the case (and with the seemingly prevailing opinion re:KitKat), I'll just go ahead and setup my now rooted VN3 as I need it to be and reject the KK update offers.

I havent seen a vzw note 3 kitkat yet. Even the devs seem to be waiting for big red. Root and safestrap are great but a locked bootloader has us hamstrung WRT kit-kat.
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almahix said:
I havent seen a vzw note 3 kitkat yet. Even the devs seem to be waiting for big red. Root and safestrap are great but a locked bootloader has us hamstrung WRT kit-kat.
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Which is another valid reason to stay put...

fletch33 said:
i didnt care at all UNTIL i got a Tab Pro and Gear Fit that were designed to work with Kit Kat. i have ran into many things that requires Kit Kat on my N3 like the latest S Health for Fit to work fully or Sync 3.0 for sharing files from N3. there were a few more as well.
so to call it useless depends on what you may need it for as i could really use it now.
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not sure about the others but fitness for gear works great and essentially replacing s-health totally at some point. the apps are almost identical when you open them. I work for Samsung.

bckrupps said:
not sure about the others but fitness for gear works great and essentially replacing s-health totally at some point. the apps are almost identical when you open them. I work for Samsung.
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You happen to know if Verizon even has a KitKat build they are testing for the Note 3? I just want it for certain apps that require 4.4, plus it's nice to have a OS with the latest API levels.

A coworker of mine is testing it on vzw but there have been issues with, you guessed it, signal strength, so this is why we haven't seen an update yet. Shouldn't be too long as she told me that is the only issue being reported
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i had the galaxy nexus on vzw before the note 3 and they skipped an update and on the next version release vzw would update the nexus. i'm hoping the note 3 is the same. at this point i'd rather wait for the next release and skip kitkat.

bubarub said:
i had the galaxy nexus on vzw before the note 3 and they skipped an update and on the next version release vzw would update the nexus. i'm hoping the note 3 is the same. at this point i'd rather wait for the next release and skip kitkat.
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Or even 4.4.3 would be worth the wait. Pretty sick of Verizon though, I'm about to puke.

Conversation with Moto Mobility Regarding LP

Now that David Schuster is gone from Moto, I decided to contact Customer service... Don't think the person really knows.
Alessandro Chavez (Listening)
Alessandro Chavez: Hi, my name is Alessandro Chavez. How may I help you?
Alessandro Chavez: Good morning! Who do I have the pleasure of chatting with?
Scott Wilson: Greetings,
Alessandro Chavez: Hi
Scott Wilson: Now that David Schuster is laid off from Moto, How do we find out if we are ever going to receive Lollipop or other updates?
Scott Wilson: Many that have 2013 Droids are in the Dark. Vrizon tells us nothing, and we are frustrated
Alessandro Chavez: Ok, well to be honest all the Phones around the world will receive the update
Alessandro Chavez: Yes is understandable
Scott Wilson: from 2013 and up?
Scott Wilson: Are you saying that Verizon is still going to upgrade Lollipop for the 2013 Droids on Verizon?
Alessandro Chavez: Well what version of Droid you have?
Scott Wilson: Droid Maxx
Alessandro Chavez: Ok thanks, do you remember what was the original software?
Scott Wilson: Kitkat
Alessandro Chavez: Ok, so yes the phone will receive it, but it is randomly
Alessandro Chavez: We can't determine when you are going to receive it

romma1 said:
Now that David Schuster is gone from Moto, I decided to contact Customer service... Don't think the person really knows.
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Alessandro Chavez: We can't determine when you are going to receive it
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This is no surprise. Motorola can't tell you because it isn't up to them. The ball is in Verizon's court and has been for a long time. I really doubt my Droid Maxx will ever get another major version update. On the other hand I'm finding it works very well for me as it is. I have a Samsung tablet that got updated from 4.4.2 to 5.02 and generally speaking that was a big "so what's the big deal" moment. In the case of my Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4 it did seem a little smoother and a little snappier. On the other hand I did a factory reset after getting the update...and all devices feel snappier after a reset, right?
Anyway if you want to know about updates ask Verizon....where you will get a blank stare. For me, I don't particularly care if I get an update.

Someone actually wants Lollipop on an Ultra/MAXX/Mini? Really? Do they understand how badly it'll screw up our devices in doing so? KitKat is mature, stable, and it just works - Lollipop brings nothing to the party at this point in the Android game, so to speak.
Hell, I was considering getting a new device recently but then I realized all the new devices come with Lollipop and there's just no KitKat to work with anymore so it looks like I'll just keep buying old used devices that run KitKat and stick with 'em.
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I've been running LP 5.1.1 for the past month and is amazed at how it renewed my phone. No wonder Motorola is not pushing hard to get LP released, it'll mean less upgrades to their new models. My Maxx is a beast right now. The interface is silky smooth, scrolling through apps that used to choke on itself is no longer the case. Tapatalk for example used to be choppy as all hell, now it is like the phone is reading my mind. Overall, the phone is much snappier. Battery life is at least equal to the best I've ever had running on KitKat, probably better actually. With everything enabled and running on radio the whole day is no big deal. With the screen off, it is draining at about 1% per hour. Yeah, KitKat is just bad memory for me at this point. Its was ugly, and was laboring the phone. The chains have been released! Lol. Exodus 5.1.1 on the Maxx baby!
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Id almost bet $$ the mini and ultra will never see lollipop or 6.0.

Johnny Wong said:
I've been running LP 5.1.1 for the past month and is amazed at how it renewed my phone. No wonder Motorola is not pushing hard to get LP released, it'll mean less upgrades to their new models. My Maxx is a beast right now. The interface is silky smooth, scrolling through apps that used to choke on itself is no longer the case. Tapatalk for example used to be choppy as all hell, now it is like the phone is reading my mind. Overall, the phone is much snappier. Battery life is at least equal to the best I've ever had running on KitKat, probably better actually. With everything enabled and running on radio the whole day is no big deal. With the screen off, it is draining at about 1% per hour. Yeah, KitKat is just bad memory for me at this point. Its was ugly, and was laboring the phone. The chains have been released! Lol. Exodus 5.1.1 on the Maxx baby!
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Did you do a factory reset or clean install in conjunction with 5.1.1? On a device that's been in use for a while I've found a reset in and of itself seems to make it work like a new phone. On my Samsung tablet I got an update to 5.02 and didn't really notice any performance improvement. Then I did a factory reset and it felt really fast...but it may have felt just as fast had I done a factory reset on 4.4.

No factory reset, but going from 4.4.4 to 5.1, I had to delete the systems folder. Kept data untouched and had all my apps still installed. Been doing dirty flashes since while updating the Exodus nightly. The biggest difference between 4.4.4 and 5.1.1 is how much smoother the LP UI is. It is like upgrading the graphics card in a computer. Scrolling is night and day as I've said, I use Crapatalk a lot and is the most active app on my phone and in LP, it is Tapatalk again. Scrolling is buttery smooth and that's not even exaggerating. Everything is snappier. When I say it is a new phone, I mean it. My wife has the OG Moto X and I still have a Moto X DE, both unlocked anf still running 4.4.4 so I've done plenty of comparison. KitKat is literally sh1t compared to Exodus 5.1.1.
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Johnny Wong said:
No factory reset, but going from 4.4.4 to 5.1, I had to delete the systems folder. Kept data untouched and had all my apps still installed. Been doing dirty flashes since while updating the Exodus nightly. The biggest difference between 4.4.4 and 5.1.1 is how much smoother the LP UI is. It is like upgrading the graphics card in a computer. Scrolling is night and day as I've said, I use Crapatalk a lot and is the most active app on my phone and in LP, it is Tapatalk again. Scrolling is buttery smooth and that's not even exaggerating. Everything is snappier. When I say it is a new phone, I mean it. My wife has the OG Moto X and I still have a Moto X DE, both unlocked anf still running 4.4.4 so I've done plenty of comparison. KitKat is literally sh1t compared to Exodus 5.1.1.
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I just said the same thing in another thread lollipop kicks ass over kk. Exodus rom is the ****. I just hope when they do update the maxx stock lollipop is as smooth.
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