I just ordered my note3 sm-n9005 on sunday (should arrive thursday). and I was wondering what the current best method to root it without invalidating warranty / tripping knox. and installing xposed?
if there isn't support for loading a third party boot loader without tripping knox, what's the best way to back up my system image?
how can I go about restoring it if i seriously mess something up?
can i do a full wipe and restore without a third party boot loader?
can i do a factory restore using external means like odin without tripping knox / invalidating my warranty?
also, does anybody happen to know why samsung abandoned the *REALLY* nice design arrangement of the menu keys being a row of capacitive touch buttons across the bottom of the phone as seen on the galaxy s, s2, original note, and original samsung galaxy tab? - i've had several of these devices (i'm currently upgrading from an original note to a note 3), and I loved the row of capacitive touch keys vs the (pretty dumb imho) physical menu key (that can be easily broken or stuck). for a key you press a billion times a day over 2+ years it occurs to me that you should have something that has minimal mechanical movement to preserve it's functionality. </rant> - but seriously, why?
I know these all sound like n00b questions, but knox threw a wrench into my understanding of how to do this right. on my note i717 i can easily flash stock and twrp via odin, use twrp to back up the system (if and whenever i'd like), and install any compatible rom i please without additional implications... I really wish that the note 3 were that flexible. (and that there were more devs working on software for note 3... I'd really like to see ubuntu touch dual booting on a phone this awesome.).
So, before the phone arrives, you have plenty of time to educate yourself. There are thousands of threads regarding this topic.
Google and XDA are your friends.
Sent from my SM-N9005
first of all do not do any ota updates if you do like i did you can not root without tripping knox..if your lucky and your note comes with an early firmware you have a chance of rooting and not tripping knox.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2487916
it all depends on what bootloader you have.but as far as i understand it you can not use twrp or cwm without tripping knox
cpgeek said:
I just ordered my note3 sm-n9005 on sunday (should arrive thursday). and I was wondering what the current best method to root it without invalidating warranty / tripping knox. and installing xposed?
if there isn't support for loading a third party boot loader without tripping knox, what's the best way to back up my system image?
how can I go about restoring it if i seriously mess something up?
can i do a full wipe and restore without a third party boot loader?
can i do a factory restore using external means like odin without tripping knox / invalidating my warranty?
also, does anybody happen to know why samsung abandoned the *REALLY* nice design arrangement of the menu keys being a row of capacitive touch buttons across the bottom of the phone as seen on the galaxy s, s2, original note, and original samsung galaxy tab? - i've had several of these devices (i'm currently upgrading from an original note to a note 3), and I loved the row of capacitive touch keys vs the (pretty dumb imho) physical menu key (that can be easily broken or stuck). for a key you press a billion times a day over 2+ years it occurs to me that you should have something that has minimal mechanical movement to preserve it's functionality. </rant> - but seriously, why?
I know these all sound like n00b questions, but knox threw a wrench into my understanding of how to do this right. on my note i717 i can easily flash stock and twrp via odin, use twrp to back up the system (if and whenever i'd like), and install any compatible rom i please without additional implications... I really wish that the note 3 were that flexible. (and that there were more devs working on software for note 3... I'd really like to see ubuntu touch dual booting on a phone this awesome.).
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I bought my device used and was informed that it has the latest ota kitkat updates per about 2 weeks ago. is root not a possibility in this case at all?
you can root if it's still 4.3 but you can not do it without tripping knox...which is the same possition i'm in..my advice is hold off doing any updates or trying to root for a few weeks ...maybe somebody will find a new exploit
cpgeek said:
I bought my device used and was informed that it has the latest ota kitkat updates per about 2 weeks ago. is root not a possibility in this case at all?
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decardpain said:
you can root if it's still 4.3 but you can not do it without tripping knox...which is the same possition i'm in..my advice is hold off doing any updates or trying to root for a few weeks ...maybe somebody will find a new exploit
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is there anything that I can't do if i trigger knox (besides sending my phone to samsung's warranty service). does selinux still work properly if knox is triggered? what's the feature actually FOR (besides voiding warranty)?
cpgeek said:
I just ordered my note3 sm-n9005 on sunday (should arrive thursday). and I was wondering what the current best method to root it without invalidating warranty / tripping knox. and installing xposed?
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I might come a little late - but you seem to be on AT&T - are you certain that N9005 is what you wanted? My feeling was that the T-Mobile version was the only other one (than AT&Ts own, which has locked bootloader, while TMo does not) that could do LTE on AT&T, but I might be wrong
See also:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-3-att
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-3-tmobile
xclub_101 said:
I might come a little late - but you seem to be on AT&T - are you certain that N9005 is what you wanted? My feeling was that the T-Mobile version was the only other one (than AT&Ts own, which has locked bootloader, while TMo does not) that could do LTE on AT&T, but I might be wrong
See also:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-3-att
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-3-tmobile
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yes, i'm on at&t and it's the sm-n9005 that should arrive at my door tomorrow. the n9005 literature i've read says it is lte enabled, and from what i understand is exactly the same hardware that at&t's own variant uses chip for chip. why would there be a problem... and even if it does come down to it, can't i just flash the at&t modem and be done with it?
You cannot Flash t-mobile modem on a att n9005 and vice versa. Samsung now =dictator, your freedom is slowly becoming....
cpgeek said:
yes, i'm on at&t and it's the sm-n9005 that should arrive at my door tomorrow. the n9005 literature i've read says it is lte enabled, and from what i understand is exactly the same hardware that at&t's own variant uses chip for chip. why would there be a problem... and even if it does come down to it, can't i just flash the at&t modem and be done with it?
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You will be very surprised
First things on the N9005 - disable security updates and reject any OTA updates, then check your existing firmware. Read in this forum and specifically in the AT&T forum if you can make things work, if you want to root read about knox and warranty.
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I recently purchased a new samsung s4 i9505 and it came pre installed with the knox bootloader. i have previosuly owned a samsung device when knox did not exist and rom flashing was good fun.
i understand if i decide to flash roms , then knox will void my warranty.
apart from that is thier any other concerns which i should make note off should i go down the route of flashing custom roms? also, is it still worth it to flash custom roms for improved performance? or has samsung's own firmware become good enough?
You won't receive any more OTA updates from Samsung. Not that there are any for the S4 anymore..
I believe custom roms still offer better performance than touchwiz.
Driver15 said:
I recently purchased a new samsung s4 i9505 and it came pre installed with the knox bootloader. i have previosuly owned a samsung device when knox did not exist and rom flashing was good fun.
i understand if i decide to flash roms , then knox will void my warranty.
apart from that is thier any other concerns which i should make note off should i go down the route of flashing custom roms? also, is it still worth it to flash custom roms for improved performance? or has samsung's own firmware become good enough?
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Flashing roms via ODIN don't void your warranty. Flashing custom recovery, yes.
GDReaper said:
You won't receive any more OTA updates from Samsung. Not that there are any for the S4 anymore..
I believe custom roms still offer better performance than touchwiz.
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thanks for the reply.
My phone came out of the box with 4.4.2 pre installed. I have had a notification for OTA update which i believe would likely be 5.0 lollipop. However, i thought i would withold until i can understand any advanatages on my current firmware.
i seem to be bothered by the slight lag and stutter on my current os, i hope that the world of flashing roms would resolve this but there seems to be a large variety of roms available, which would you recommend, although i plan on randomly selecting a few.
Joku1981 said:
Flashing roms via ODIN don't void your warranty. Flashing custom recovery, yes.
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Thanks for the headsup, would i still be able to flash a custom kernel without voiding warranty? or is that out the question due to be on a locked bootloader?
If you have a locked bootloader you either have an AT&T or Verizon S4. The locked bootloader makes root virtually impossible, so you wouldn't be flashing much of anything. There are ways to work around the bootloader in the AT&T and Verizon S4 forums.
With that out the way, a custom kernel will trip Knox as the custom kernel changes SEAndroid from Enforcing to Permissive.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
If you have a locked bootloader you either have an AT&T or Verizon S4. The locked bootloader makes root virtually impossible, so you wouldn't be flashing much of anything. There are ways to work around the bootloader in the AT&T and Verizon S4 forums.
With that out the way, a custom kernel will trip Knox as the custom kernel changes SEAndroid from Enforcing to Permissive.
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I have a uk version of the samsung s4 so i am asuming that i dont have a locked bootloader. is thier any way of checking to be sure that i dont have a locked bootloader?
Sure. Check Download Mode. As long as you don't have either of the following model numbers you should be good to go: SGH-I337, SCH-I545.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Sure. Check Download Mode. As long as you don't have either of the following model numbers you should be good to go: SGH-I337, SCH-I545.
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ive entered download mode but thier does not seem to be any mention of the bootloader version?.
Bootloader version is irrelevant. Unless you have one of the two devices mentioned in my previous post, your bootloader is unlocked. Going into Download Mode will give you the model number of your S4.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Bootloader version is irrelevant. Unless you have one of the two devices mentioned in my previous post, your bootloader is unlocked. Going into Download Mode will give you the model number of your S4.
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thanks for the clarifying. So in summary i can flash roms and kernels freely without issues , regardless of my phone coming with the knox bootloader from factory on 4.4.2.
It definetly is not linked with either network AT&T or Verizon
So the only issue i will face is the chance of tripping knox.
Knox is the only thing you have to deal with. So flash away.
Hi
I recently purchased a Note 4 from a company in Australia it was a refurbished International Verizon model called an open box special was a great price at 499 but when it came I was surprised to find it was rooted and running a DongCHAU.A927 build number but was flagged as official not modified in the settings and Knox has not been tripped, its a SM-N910F but the boot loader is N910V. Its definitely not a fake but obviously not 100% official. There are also a couple of little things but they might be related to Lollipop 5.01 as below
When I click the spen button and point to the screen the air menu feature does not work, it only works when I pull the spen out
There is no link action memo icon so I cant link notes to actions
I am very happy with it but just curious about the above and I am also concerned what will happen if I receive an OTA update for example to Marshmallow will it brick or will there be issues, also if I want to put a custom rom on it will there be issues given the fact that its a 910F phone but the boot loader is 910V. There is no unusual software running when I boot into Samsung recovery or download so I'm not sure how they managed to modify it yet keep it official, also the firmware seems very genuine also the company I brought the phone off are clueless and just told me that's obviously how the international note 4 are LOL
Regards
Wayne
1. Can u tell me what exacly will cost me rooting phone like not working samsung pay, is there more ? I bought phone week ago and probably I am gonna trade him next year when S8 will come out, will stock firmware fix samsung pay or any other problems?
2. If I am rooting phone I'll trip knox but can it be "untripped" by flashing stock firmware?
3. TRWP or CF root is better?
4. What I had to do in developer options?
5. I have traded phone in CEX S6 + £ = S7 (webuy.com) they gave me 2 years warranty but with tripped knox?
There is probably many threads or post about this but all of them are so messed up that I can't find out.
Zireseth said:
1. Can u tell me what exacly will cost me rooting phone like not working samsung pay, is there more ? I bought phone week ago and probably I am gonna trade him next year when S8 will come out, will stock firmware fix samsung pay or any other problems?
2. If I am rooting phone I'll trip knox but can it be "untripped" by flashing stock firmware?
3. TRWP or CF root is better?
4. What I had to do in developer options?
5. I have traded phone in CEX S6 + £ = S7 (webuy.com) they gave me 2 years warranty but with tripped knox?
There is probably many threads or post about this but all of them are so messed up that I can't find out.
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1.rooting will mean that samsung pay does not. OTA upgrades do not work, you will have to flash roms manually and knox will not work.
2.Knox cannot be restored once it is tripped as knox is hardware controlled not software.
3. TWRP is better as you have more future options on your phone but CF root is easier to do.
4. You do not need to do anything in developer options occasional you will be asked to enable usb debugging to grant some apps access to the phone.
5. You will have no official warranty once knox is tripped. Depending on how rigidly knox is enforced some store will still repair the phone under warranty, some will not. It is up to the shop to decide.
More specifically, I have had the note 1, then the note 3 neo, And as some of us know, various phones have there little idiosyncrasies, ie; if one's firmware is updated to x.x.x you can't do such and such. In the past I spent hours looking through relevant forums and spent much time experimenting with my phones since the HTC HD2 Leo. I'm no Dev, but I am somewhat savvy. Now however, I don't have the time, had to replace the neo, (kindy glad, cause it doesn't have quite as much going for it.) because the modem quit, I think I know why, but it's so beat up now it was a little embarrassing to be seen in public with it. So now iI have the note 3 with 4.4.4. I want root, preferably without tripping knox, as it has not yet been tripped, howeever, not a deal breaker. I don't want to brick it, Almost did that too many times to the neo, And its no fun, takes too much time to fix. So can anyone tell me or point me to a thread that has good info on what I can do to this thing? I'm not as flash happy as I used to be, but I do like to and sometimes need to access features and capabilities that aren't always stock. Thanks in advance,
Cheers
You are in the wrong forum if you have a Neo.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-3-neo
Boot into download and post the model #. You can't root without tripping knox on KK or LP as far as I know.
audit13 said:
Boot into download and post the model #. You can't root without tripping knox on KK or LP as far as I know.
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TowellRoot is for rooting on kitkat without trip knox. I did it successfully.
I suppose it depends on model number of the phone? Not sure since I always root via supersu and a custom recovery.
JJEgan said:
You are in the wrong forum if you have a Neo.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-3-neo
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neo was my last device. now i have the note 3 sm-n900a, and the sm-n900v, though i am referring to the att variant, because that is the forum i meant to post in
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now i gotta look into moving or reposting this where i meant to.
darn.
With the n900a, rooting is a little trickier since the bootloader is locked.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-3-att/general/root-lollipop-att-note-3-safestrap-t3132475
I've rooted every phone I've ever gotten, mainly for adblockers.
I'm aware Samsung has e-fuses for knox in the past and I had no use for it. However, I'm new to s7 and not sure about private mode or any other new knox feature since note4.
Is there a way to root stock so I can install adblockers but not break knox or other features? What all will break exactly?
Furthermore, is it just root at this time or recoveries too? I don't even want to flash anything, just get root.
I have the master USA race T-Mobile version. I hear so far that it's only the Int'l models that have recoveries atm
Bump?
Anything that modifies the kernel will cause the efuse to break including rooting and recoveries because of dm verify.
currently snapdragon S7E can not be rooted effectively because the bootloader is locked and most developers will not touch them for now. Maybe in the future.