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[Q] current best root method 2/5 n9005

I just ordered my note3 sm-n9005 on sunday (should arrive thursday). and I was wondering what the current best method to root it without invalidating warranty / tripping knox. and installing xposed?
if there isn't support for loading a third party boot loader without tripping knox, what's the best way to back up my system image?
how can I go about restoring it if i seriously mess something up?
can i do a full wipe and restore without a third party boot loader?
can i do a factory restore using external means like odin without tripping knox / invalidating my warranty?
also, does anybody happen to know why samsung abandoned the *REALLY* nice design arrangement of the menu keys being a row of capacitive touch buttons across the bottom of the phone as seen on the galaxy s, s2, original note, and original samsung galaxy tab? - i've had several of these devices (i'm currently upgrading from an original note to a note 3), and I loved the row of capacitive touch keys vs the (pretty dumb imho) physical menu key (that can be easily broken or stuck). for a key you press a billion times a day over 2+ years it occurs to me that you should have something that has minimal mechanical movement to preserve it's functionality. </rant> - but seriously, why?
I know these all sound like n00b questions, but knox threw a wrench into my understanding of how to do this right. on my note i717 i can easily flash stock and twrp via odin, use twrp to back up the system (if and whenever i'd like), and install any compatible rom i please without additional implications... I really wish that the note 3 were that flexible. (and that there were more devs working on software for note 3... I'd really like to see ubuntu touch dual booting on a phone this awesome.).

So, before the phone arrives, you have plenty of time to educate yourself. There are thousands of threads regarding this topic.
Google and XDA are your friends.
Sent from my SM-N9005

first of all do not do any ota updates if you do like i did you can not root without tripping knox..if your lucky and your note comes with an early firmware you have a chance of rooting and not tripping knox.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2487916
it all depends on what bootloader you have.but as far as i understand it you can not use twrp or cwm without tripping knox
cpgeek said:
I just ordered my note3 sm-n9005 on sunday (should arrive thursday). and I was wondering what the current best method to root it without invalidating warranty / tripping knox. and installing xposed?
if there isn't support for loading a third party boot loader without tripping knox, what's the best way to back up my system image?
how can I go about restoring it if i seriously mess something up?
can i do a full wipe and restore without a third party boot loader?
can i do a factory restore using external means like odin without tripping knox / invalidating my warranty?
also, does anybody happen to know why samsung abandoned the *REALLY* nice design arrangement of the menu keys being a row of capacitive touch buttons across the bottom of the phone as seen on the galaxy s, s2, original note, and original samsung galaxy tab? - i've had several of these devices (i'm currently upgrading from an original note to a note 3), and I loved the row of capacitive touch keys vs the (pretty dumb imho) physical menu key (that can be easily broken or stuck). for a key you press a billion times a day over 2+ years it occurs to me that you should have something that has minimal mechanical movement to preserve it's functionality. </rant> - but seriously, why?
I know these all sound like n00b questions, but knox threw a wrench into my understanding of how to do this right. on my note i717 i can easily flash stock and twrp via odin, use twrp to back up the system (if and whenever i'd like), and install any compatible rom i please without additional implications... I really wish that the note 3 were that flexible. (and that there were more devs working on software for note 3... I'd really like to see ubuntu touch dual booting on a phone this awesome.).
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I bought my device used and was informed that it has the latest ota kitkat updates per about 2 weeks ago. is root not a possibility in this case at all?

you can root if it's still 4.3 but you can not do it without tripping knox...which is the same possition i'm in..my advice is hold off doing any updates or trying to root for a few weeks ...maybe somebody will find a new exploit
cpgeek said:
I bought my device used and was informed that it has the latest ota kitkat updates per about 2 weeks ago. is root not a possibility in this case at all?
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decardpain said:
you can root if it's still 4.3 but you can not do it without tripping knox...which is the same possition i'm in..my advice is hold off doing any updates or trying to root for a few weeks ...maybe somebody will find a new exploit
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is there anything that I can't do if i trigger knox (besides sending my phone to samsung's warranty service). does selinux still work properly if knox is triggered? what's the feature actually FOR (besides voiding warranty)?

cpgeek said:
I just ordered my note3 sm-n9005 on sunday (should arrive thursday). and I was wondering what the current best method to root it without invalidating warranty / tripping knox. and installing xposed?
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I might come a little late - but you seem to be on AT&T - are you certain that N9005 is what you wanted? My feeling was that the T-Mobile version was the only other one (than AT&Ts own, which has locked bootloader, while TMo does not) that could do LTE on AT&T, but I might be wrong
See also:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-3-att
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-3-tmobile

xclub_101 said:
I might come a little late - but you seem to be on AT&T - are you certain that N9005 is what you wanted? My feeling was that the T-Mobile version was the only other one (than AT&Ts own, which has locked bootloader, while TMo does not) that could do LTE on AT&T, but I might be wrong
See also:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-3-att
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-3-tmobile
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yes, i'm on at&t and it's the sm-n9005 that should arrive at my door tomorrow. the n9005 literature i've read says it is lte enabled, and from what i understand is exactly the same hardware that at&t's own variant uses chip for chip. why would there be a problem... and even if it does come down to it, can't i just flash the at&t modem and be done with it?

You cannot Flash t-mobile modem on a att n9005 and vice versa. Samsung now =dictator, your freedom is slowly becoming....

cpgeek said:
yes, i'm on at&t and it's the sm-n9005 that should arrive at my door tomorrow. the n9005 literature i've read says it is lte enabled, and from what i understand is exactly the same hardware that at&t's own variant uses chip for chip. why would there be a problem... and even if it does come down to it, can't i just flash the at&t modem and be done with it?
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You will be very surprised
First things on the N9005 - disable security updates and reject any OTA updates, then check your existing firmware. Read in this forum and specifically in the AT&T forum if you can make things work, if you want to root read about knox and warranty.

[Q] Flashing stock ROM and KNOX.

As you might know, Samsung devices have KNOX that when it's tripped, warranty goes to waste. The phone is now 3 weeks old and still want to keep the warranty because of personal choice and reasons. Now, I am so sick and tired to wait for my lazy carrier to release the damn update.
If I flash stock for another country through ODIN, will I trip KNOX? It's a serious question and I need a serious answer, please!
Thank you for your assistance.
Phone model: SM-A510F/ Orange Romania Branded.

Not usually. In most cases odin may just refuse to flash the whole or part of the firmware.
I've never experienced knox being tripped though.
Make sure frp lock is off.
Sent from my SM-T280 using XDA-Developers mobile app

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Question about root, Knox and warranty

Mods, if this thread is in the wrong category, feel free to move it.
I'm new to Android and come from years of using jailbroken iOS. I am so happy with how much Android allows you to do without rooting, but there are things which do require root and they are things I'm interested in.
I've been researching all over the web about the root methods available for my S7 Edge. I have the International variant (Exynos) and I've read about systemless root, Kingsroot, CF-root, etc. In some places it said these wouldn't trip the Knox counter, other said it would. I've come to the conclusion, in the end, that there's no root method for the S7 Edge which doesn't trip the counter.
My question is, am I wrong? Is there, actually and to this day, a way to root my device without voiding my warranty?
Any guidance here is appreciated. Thanks a lot.

Dont want to be a ****, but there are many topics discussing this.
In short:
Rooting trips knox counter = you loose knox forever.
In most countries this voids your warranty. In UK its not that bad, i know people having their phone replaced when rooted + on custom ROM.
But yes technically you loose warranty, so think twice

I understand, I just wanted to have an up-to-date response since opinions seemed to be all over the place.
Thanks a lot though

Probably we should all know about rooting and is not same as it was before?

My phone was rooted when I bought and I expected to get to get back to the stock room. I don't care about warranty but I care about able to use apps on my phone. Probably your people don't what risks you take when you buy the phone from shops. The main problem I have with phone what I can't use any payment service (Samsung Pay, Google Pay or Barclay), next I can't use Samsung password management and even I can't use oyster TFL app because my phone is rooted. I tried all stock firmware version no one is working. The game is changing with the rooting phone. One thing that I don't like about Android is software updated. I don't blame shop guy who sold the phone with the latest update but it had to root the phone in order to update to the latest. Android is not same as was before it is changing without letting consumers know that in future you will have trouble using your phone. Below where chat transcript with Samsung support team.
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Robertas Suminskas
16:51:22 I need to unroot phone because Samsung pay and password management app it says the phone is rooted
Calm
16:51:22 Welcome to Samsung Support. Please allow me a moment to read through your enquiry.
16:51:57 Hi, Robertas! My name is Calm from Mobiles Live Chat Support. How are you doing today?
Robertas Suminskas
16:52:17 fine
Calm
16:52:25 I understand that you are getting error message that your phone is rooted. No worries, let us double check that.
16:52:31 That's great, Robertas! I hope I can make it even better.
16:52:45 May I know where and when did you purchase your phone, Robertas?
Robertas Suminskas
16:53:11 I am happy to do unroot but I need assistance how to do it
16:53:45 I bought from shop
16:54:03 not Samsung official shop
Calm
16:55:28 I see. I hate to be the bearer of this news, once the phone is rooted, I am afraid that we won't be able to un root it. As we don't recommend that to our phones as that can cause serious damage on the phone. We will now double check if the phone has really been rooted. Rooting a phone can cause serious damage to the phone as it will completely remove the original software of the device, therefore, possibly changing the functionalities of the phone. Also, rooting the phone voids the warranty. To check, please follow these steps:
16:55:36 1. Power off the device completely. 2. Press and hold the volume down button, power button, and home button simultaneously until you see the screen turn blue. 3. Once the screen turns blue, please press the Volume Up Button. 4. Could you please tell me what you can see next to Product Name, Current Binary, System Status, and Knox Warranty Void?
Robertas Suminskas
17:00:02 Product Name: SM-G935F Current Binary: Samsung Official System Status: Official FAP lock: Off Warranty void: (0x030c) AP SWREV: B:2 K:0 S:1
Calm
17:04:15 I see. Thanks for that information. We have confirmed that the phone is rooted, Robertas. It would be best to get in touch with the retailer where you purchased the phone. As rooting the phone will void the warranty.
Robertas Suminskas
17:04:41 Product Name: SM-G935F / Current Binary: Samsung / Official System Status: Official / FAP lock: Off/ Warranty void: (0x030c) / AP SWREV: B:2 K:0 S:1
17:06:08 I don't have time to chase retailers or whatever and I don't care about the warranty. What I want you to help me to unroot the phone.
Calm
17:06:36 I am afraid that once the phone has been rooted, it cannot be undone, Robertas.
Robertas Suminskas
17:07:57 This something new. Do all customers know about this? Or you just implement this system from galaxy s7?
17:09:33 It needs to be published this officially because I am not going to buy anymore Samsung phone. Is to risky
17:09:53 I am afraid
Calm
17:11:14 Rooting a phone means installing a customise operating system on the phone which is a third party software. Just to give you an idea, we do not tolerate rooting phones and we don't sell rooted phones as well. As you have mentioned, you have not purchased a phone from an official Samsung Store, I am afraid that the retailer that you bought the phone from customised or modified the phones that they are selling.
Robertas Suminskas
17:13:31 there is firmware or software in all devices (laptops, TV, phone and so on). Where is way yo recover if software got the issue. So please don't tell me that is not possible to do this as long is a OS issue
Calm
17:15:05 I do understand that you would like the phone to be un rooted. However, as much as I would like to help you do that, once the phone has been rooted it cannot be undone. Also, if in case you bring the phone to one of our Support Centres, the Engineers would just refuse to fix the phone as it is been rooted. Rooting a phone is not software issue, Robertas. Rooting a phone is not done by Samsung. Like I have mentioned, we don't recommend that.
17:16:20 Rooting a phone can cause serious damage to the phone as it will completely remove the original software of the device, therefore, possibly changing the functionalities of the phone.
Robertas Suminskas
17:16:20 So it means I can't use all Samsung service. Why you don't officially this?
Calm
17:17:02 Like I have mentioned, we are not the one who installed the custom OS. It is done probably the store where you purchase the phone from.
Robertas Suminskas
17:17:08 People don't know this and you implement starting from Galaxy S7
Calm
17:17:48 All devices can be rooted. It is up to the customer if they would install a custom OS. We do not tolerate that, Robertas
Robertas Suminskas
17:18:24 But it you didn't say that services will be limited
Calm
17:18:41 Yes, that is why we don't recommend rooting a phone.
Robertas Suminskas
17:19:51 I know this now from your words but not in the paper and Samsung warranty. This original stock firmware
17:21:38 you locked some app to the phone and I didn't see in any papers
Calm
17:24:21 Just to give you a heads up, we are not the one who roots the phone as we don't recommend that. If you'd like, I can send you a proof on your email on how to check if the phone has been rooted.
17:24:27 May I know your email address?
Robertas Suminskas
17:24:59 [email protected]
17:26:52 This lack information from Samsung and I gonna look way to publish this so people be aware what they are buying and what risks they take.
17:27:14 I understand is hardware is modified but is only software
Calm
17:27:16 Also, may I know from what retailer did you purchase your phone?
Robertas Suminskas
17:27:54 I don't remember name it was 1.5 year ago
17:30:05 Better apple phone to buy than Samsung because peple can do jailbreak or un-jailbreak
Calm
17:30:13 Not all of Samsung phones are rooted, Robertas. We are not the one who modified the operating system of your phone. The reason why it is rooted because it was been modified by someone. And also, just to take in to consideration, you have purchased a phone to a unauthorised third party retailer.
Robertas Suminskas
17:30:45 but if I want to install stock firmware so why you say that phone is modified?
Calm
17:35:01 We perform a troubleshooting step earlier which is the Root Checker. Based on the information that you have given me, your phone has been modified.
Robertas Suminskas
17:35:07 where plenty sources on the internet how to unroot the phone? are they not real?
Calm
17:35:27 The device IS rooted if: Product name does not match the device. Current Binary does not say official or id there are counts in brackets. System Status does not say official. Knox Warranty Void (S4 and above) does not say 0x0.
17:36:27 Based on the information you have given the Knox Warranty Void is (0x030c). It should be 0x0.
17:36:43 We don't recommend that, Robertas.
Robertas Suminskas
17:38:28 Explain to me why Samsung service like Samsung Pay and Password? How do they work check phone?
17:38:54 what else is limited that I don't know?
Calm
17:39:00 Because once the software has been modified, it will change the functionalities of the phone. As the original software has already been removed.
Robertas Suminskas
17:39:42 I want get back original software. Where I can get this?
Calm
17:42:27 Once the phone has been rooted, it cannot be undone, Robertas. I am sorry about that. I highly suggest to get in touch with the retailer where you bought the phone. After this chat session you will have an option to save this chat transcript. You may present this as a proof that your phone has been modified. They might consider giving you a refund.
17:44:28 Aside from this, is there anything else that I can help you with whilst you still have me on the line?
Robertas Suminskas
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Remember one thing with every Android update they gonna limit and limit more services on the rooted phone and they are making things to be undone.
I don't see the point to buy android phones from shops and at all. I remember I had phone Galaxy S2, S5 and I was rooted my self just to try and to learn. But I didn't have the problem to unroot. I don't care about warranty if is NOT VALID after that. But what I care is about getting full android experience. On rooted phone full Android experience is gone and this information is not published officially.
I believe most people don't about this and they thought that only warranty you lose.

Use superman rom with superstock kernel some people have reported it as the only one working with Samsung pay with Knox security voided.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/how-to/samsung-pay-knox-warranty-void-t3549449

pingufanpoy said:
Use superman rom with superstock kernel some people have reported it as the only one working with Samsung pay with Knox security voided.
https://forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/how-to/samsung-pay-knox-warranty-void-t3549449
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All custom rooms have stability issues where I experienced in past. I don’t really want use custom rooms. Point is what all resources about unroot samsung phone is bull****. They shouldn’t confuse people with lies about unroot and should be deleted from forum.
Thanks,

Robotukas said:
All custom rooms have stability issues where I experienced in past. I don’t really want use custom rooms. Point is what all resources about unroot samsung phone is bull****. They shouldn’t confuse people with lies about unroot and should be deleted from forum.
Thanks,
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I believe, and correct me if i am wrong, you can unroot a phone and flashing via Odin should put the phone back to square 1, however once Knox is tripped there is no going back only custom roms can fake the Knox status..

Use magisk to hide root.
Yes if you did root by system modifications, you will have more problems then if you did systemless root. And samsung pay won't work in stock kernel anyway because it checks knox warranty void..
Sent from my S7 Edge using XDA Labs

Could you not just flash stock firmware and use google pay?

Robotukas said:
All custom rooms have stability issues where I experienced in past. I don’t really want use custom rooms. Point is what all resources about unroot samsung phone is bull****. They shouldn’t confuse people with lies about unroot and should be deleted from forum.
Thanks,
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What the hell are you talking about? For starters, this is an android developer community. XDA was not created just so random people can come here looking to have their problems fixed for them.
Moving on, un-rooting a phone is as easy as it gets. Just download the Stock ROM and install it. Done. Stop spouting your bullcrap about people on XDA lying and just do some freaking research, this information is not hard to find and there are MANY guides and forum posts available here on XDA as well as 10000000+ other places on the internet as to how to return a Samsung phone to stock. You can either use ODIN or Samsung smart switch to do it.
You're the one who purchased a rooted phone, you knew what you were getting into. If you don't want it rooted and don't have the technical ability to un-root it, you should have never purchased it in the first place.

I agree with OP .
Love Spay but hate being restricted just like iphone.
No diff in samsung and apple nowadays

Man it doesn’t work from youtube or xda. Just accept reality. I tried stock rooms, I tried superman and other crap. You can’t realise that they are increasing security to stop people from rooting phones. Funny parts are that more apps stops working on rooted phones. So please take a coffee and accepts reality.

Robotukas said:
Man it doesn’t work from youtube or xda. Just accept reality. I tried stock rooms, I tried superman and other crap. You can’t realise that they are increasing security to stop people from rooting phones. Funny parts are that more apps stops working on rooted phones. So please take a coffee and accepts reality.
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You can unroot without problem, but you CANNOT make knox back to 0x0 after tripping it... knox tripping is the biggest disadvantage of rooting.. as far as rooting goes .. you can root with magisk systemless root that hides your root from apps which don't work on rooted phones.. the only problem are the apps which detect knox status and thats hard to hide and samsung health and spay won't work after knox is tripped.
So you can root with magisk and hide your root easily to use all the apps.. you can also unroot by flashing stock rom back.. but you cannot fix/hide a tripped knox due to which samsung apps won't work.. so the real downside of rooting is the warranty void and samsung apps not working due to tripped knox.. maybe if there are some ways to hide knox status by custom kernels etc.. it would be the best option..
Sent from my S7 Edge using XDA Labs

Thanks for your reply.
Just to let know not only Samsung apps are not working also banking apps, Service Provider apps and Others. Magisk it doesn't work anymore.
Regards,
Robertas

Robotukas said:
Thanks for your reply.
Just to let know not only Samsung apps are not working also banking apps, Service Provider apps and Others. Magisk it doesn't work anymore.
Regards,
Robertas
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Post it on magisk forum then.. its meant to be systemless root that hides the root status.. if its really not working post on their thread for getting support. Majority of users use magisk to pass safety net and hide their root.. don't know if we need some additional xposed module or some software to hide root..
As far as I know.. only samsung apps could check the knox status.. if really other apps are not working with root.. then its a dilemma pls post on magisk forum and keep us updated
Sent from my S7 Edge using XDA Labs

shah22 said:
Post it on magisk forum then.. its meant to be systemless root that hides the root status.. if its really not working post on their thread for getting support. Majority of users use magisk to pass safety net and hide their root.. don't know if we need some additional xposed module or some software to hide root..
As far as I know.. only samsung apps could check the knox status.. if really other apps are not working with root.. then its a dilemma pls post on magisk forum and keep us updated
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Thanks, a lot for the advice. I just gonna buy iPhone. Where no waiting time for latest updates, where is no carrier firmware and there is no radio. And Apple keeps pushing updates for phones even if 4 years older.
Samsung for the US have Snapdragon and for the EU only give Enyxios. I liked snapdragon and because I live in the UK now I must think how to get snapdragon. Strange fingerprint position and crashes. And support team is not good at all. Everything comes years later to Android than to iOS. I don't see the point to root phones because it works even worst and you get limited service and app choice. And why as the user I don't have the choice to use native Android OS (like original Android OS without modification) on phones? Why it comes only with preinstalled Samsung OS?
Thanks a lot,
Good luck

[Q] Magisk and fake Knox 0x0

Premise: I have a rooted Note 4 and this is the first time that I'm trying to better understand Magisk and its functions.
I'm Italian and I'm going to buy the new Galaxy Note 9. In Italy you can take advantage of a "super value program" with which you can give back your old smartphone in order to obtain a cashback on the buy of the new smartphone.
I'd like to give back my Note 4, but I'm afraid that rooted smartphone cannot be accepted (not sure about this point).
For this reason, I'm going to flash back the original firmware, but the problem of Knox 0x1 will be still present. I know about efuse etc (I read a lot about that)... What I need is a way to hide/fake the counter. I read that Magisk was used for this purpose on other "Galaxy smartphones" in order to allow the use of apps like Samsung Pay. My question is (finally): is it possible to use Magisk to hide/fake the Knox counter on the official firmware of my Note 4?

No, after note 3 there is no way to hide knox status.