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How's it going? I am upgrading to the S4 coming from the e4gt on Thursday. I've flashed just about everything there is for the e4gt, but would like to know what is recommended for starting out with this phone. What recovery do you recommend? I've downloaded the cf autoroot which I plan on using, and also the cwm jfltespr 6.0.3.6. Is this the best route for getting started? Thanks in advance.
Welcome over bt.
If you're going to stay on 4.2 then TWRP 2..5.0.2 has proven best for me and most others. TWRP-Recovery-jfltespr-2.5.0.2
If you're going to jump in to 4.3 (and I suspect you will) then use Philz CWM based recovery. philz_touch_5.18.2-jfltespr.tar
Just know that if you take the OTA or Odin 4.3 there is NO going back to 4.2 because of the Knox bootloader.
You can however run 4.3 on 4.2 firmware (non Knox tripped bootloader).
Many of the usual Sammy stuff caveats are the same. biggest difference is that Kernels are seperated from Recoveries. Making it easy to mix and match.
Flashing is a breeze, developers here are great - many came from the e4gt and S3. Same with the contributors and others.
Take some time to read through the posts and you'll soon get a good handle on it.
Have fun!
Hey, i remember you. It's great to see you here. How do I avoid the ota? Can I freeze system updates in tb or for toolbox? Also, what rom do you recommend that I try first? I was looking at the carbon rom, but will try 4.2 first because it looks like they have the save data issues on 4.3 like the e4gt. I will miss all the guys on project x.
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btvolta said:
Hey, i remember you. It's great to see you here. How do I avoid the ota? Can I freeze system updates in tb or for toolbox? Also, what rom do you recommend that I try first? I was looking at the carbon rom, but will try 4.2 first because it looks like they have the save data issues on 4.3 like the e4gt. I will miss all the guys on project x.
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If you install a custom recovery and kernel you won't be able to take the OTA - it may download but shouldn't install. I use TB to freeze Sprint Installer and Sprint Zone. Sprint Installer is a really sneaky app - it goes out and grabs all their crapware and just loads it up!.
I'd recommend Any of the 4.2 ROMs if you'd like to mess around - Sac, Unknownforce, Negamann's and of course rujelus22's.
For 4.3 I'd say give those guys a go too; just be sure to do it without tripping the Knox counter - using custom recovery and flashing ROM that has the knox bootloader removed.
For CM/AOSP type there are some pretty good ones too.Carbon, Sniper and Garwynn have some builds up. I like to try them but I'm a TW guy - I have to have everything working flawlessly for business so even small things like no 4G, no sms or the like make using them for my daily driver still out of the question for now.
leaderbuilder said:
If you install a custom recovery and kernel you won't be able to take the OTA - it may download but shouldn't install. I use TB to freeze Sprint Installer and Sprint Zone. Sprint Installer is a really sneaky app - it goes out and grabs all their crapware and just loads it up!.
I'd recommend Any of the 4.2 ROMs if you'd like to mess around - Sac, Unknownforce, Negamann's and of course rujelus22's.
For 4.3 I'd say give those guys a go too; just be sure to do it without tripping the Knox counter - using custom recovery and flashing ROM that has the knox bootloader removed.
For CM/AOSP type there are some pretty good ones too.Carbon, Sniper and Garwynn have some builds up. I like to try them but I'm a TW guy - I have to have everything working flawlessly for business so even small things like no 4G, no sms or the like make using them for my daily driver still out of the question for now.
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Is there a chance my phone will come with the 4.3 already installed?
btvolta said:
Is there a chance my phone will come with the 4.3 already installed?
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A friend of mine just bought the S4 two days ago and maybe he was lucky but it was still on 4.2 But don't know if that's the case with all of them.
GS4 Stock Rooted MJA 4.3,Philz Touch CWM,HotSpot Mod,Transparent Weather Widget,8SMS(Stock Messaging,KitKat)
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Is there a chance my phone will come with the 4.3 already installed?
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as @BIGSAMDA1ST said, there is that possibility. Really depends on the supplier and how deep their inventory is.
If is on 4.2, after initial setup it will surely try and update to 4.3 if you let it - I wouldn't. But that's just me. I'd keep it 4.2 and go the 'non-knox' route to 4.3.
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Is there a chance my phone will come with the 4.3 already installed?
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Welcome!
I just got mine on Monday Pre Balck Friday Sale, been on E4GT bricked 3, 4th the power button broke and the E4GT was BO so the bumped me to GS3 was rooted running Cyan 11 4.4 kitkat, PA Gapps, Xposed 128 DPI then the Pre Sale .96 cent's upgraded to this GS4. Monday got it and a hour later the 4.3 OTA was pushed to the phone.
I do have to say this is a Big Learning Curve because a lot of the customization i was used to do on my phone is already stock on this phone.
Been researching trying to figure what exactly to do but also been running tests to see what improvements Sprint and or the phone has made for me. I agree with Leaderbuilder " I have to have everything working flawlessly for business so even small things like no 4G, no sms or the like make using them for my daily driver still out of the question for now".
Everything has seemed to be running great my wife upgraded from Galaxy S "GB" love ginger just not as a OP. Spending a lot of time finding how things work for her and have yet to set my phone up or let it settle in. I say all this to say "what I've read" in all different posts is there is possibly 1 stable 4.4 rom and just now trying to compare the benefit for me rooting. I know removing bloatware but it doesn't seem to be messing the phone up like it did on E4GT, battery life? What I've seen this is pretty good. So take your time get your phone and get used to it I think those of us who came from E4GT was used to having a "fairly good" phone and rooting to make it better however this seems to be at a different level.
I just moved from the Epic 4G to an S4. Still really missing my slide-out keyboard...
I bought my S4 a week ago and it came with 4.2.2. I had NO clue about the Knox BS, and doing a quick Google for 4.3 issues did not bring it up, so I took the OTA update. BIG mistake... Especially since I need to root to run ARLiberator.
Thankfully, my Sprint dealer is great, and after finding they could not roll it back, gave me a direct exchange to a new S4 with 4.2.2. If they would not have done that, I would have exchanged it for a white one to get back to 4.2.2.
Sooo, to sum it up, as of yesterday, it was possible to still get an S4 with 4.2.2 without Knox on it.
VaderSS said:
I just moved from the Epic 4G to an S4. Still really missing my slide-out keyboard...
I bought my S4 a week ago and it came with 4.2.2. I had NO clue about the Knox BS, and doing a quick Google for 4.3 issues did not bring it up, so I took the OTA update. BIG mistake... Especially since I need to root to run ARLiberator.
Thankfully, my Sprint dealer is great, and after finding they could not roll it back, gave me a direct exchange to a new S4 with 4.2.2. If they would not have done that, I would have exchanged it for a white one to get back to 4.2.2.
Sooo, to sum it up, as of yesterday, it was possible to still get an S4 with 4.2.2 without Knox on it.
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Chalk it up to me being an old 48 gray haired (although consider myself pretty good searcher) What exactly is Knox and why/not want or want it?What is the issue with taking the OTA update? Layman's terms? My sprint store has really cool tech's but they know nothing about rooting and all different issues. Always like playing with my phone for a bit and never get pissed if I get an issue they can't resolve.
Should I not have done the OTA update? I'm trying to determine if I actually want to root or not because things have seemed good so far.
Main 4.4 item i wanted was "OK Google" but I've got that on my stock phone, sure 128 dpi would be great but if it really worth it for me? I'm still out to lunch on that one.
VaderSS said:
I just moved from the Epic 4G to an S4. Still really missing my slide-out keyboard...
I bought my S4 a week ago and it came with 4.2.2. I had NO clue about the Knox BS, and doing a quick Google for 4.3 issues did not bring it up, so I took the OTA update. BIG mistake... Especially since I need to root to run ARLiberator.
Thankfully, my Sprint dealer is great, and after finding they could not roll it back, gave me a direct exchange to a new S4 with 4.2.2. If they would not have done that, I would have exchanged it for a white one to get back to 4.2.2.
Sooo, to sum it up, as of yesterday, it was possible to still get an S4 with 4.2.2 without Knox on it.
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Are you saying you can't root it because of the update? I believe you still can.
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Are you saying you can't root it because of the update? I believe you still can.
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jtsv said:
Chalk it up to me being an old 48 gray haired (although consider myself pretty good searcher) What exactly is Knox and why/not want or want it?What is the issue with taking the OTA update? Layman's terms? My sprint store has really cool tech's but they know nothing about rooting and all different issues. Always like playing with my phone for a bit and never get pissed if I get an issue they can't resolve.
Should I not have done the OTA update? I'm trying to determine if I actually want to root or not because things have seemed good so far.
Main 4.4 item i wanted was "OK Google" but I've got that on my stock phone, sure 128 dpi would be great but if it really worth it for me? I'm still out to lunch on that one.
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The OTA update installs the Knox boot loader which cannot be rolled back. Once on it, you are on it for good, at least at present.
Knox adds a tattle-tale, so that if you root in the conventional, "fully rooted" manner, install a custom recovery, rom, or kernel, it will trip a flag, titled "Knox Warranty Void" which cannot, at present, be reset. which also breaks certain functionality in the phone. If you don't care about tripping this flag, it looks like you can still mod your phone as before.
There is a way to partially root in spite of Knox, without tripping the flag, but this method may open your phone up in ways you don't want to do. This is still under investigation.
Personally, I did not want a non-resetable flag telling Sprint/Samsung that I had modded my phone... That in itself was enough to make me return the phone.
Thank you for explaining now you have given me more to think about. Why do they care since warranties still cover rooting? Also makes me have something else to add to the puzzle do I root or not. Most things I was rooting for are now stock so I will continue to think about now knowing about the Knox.
Hello BTVOLTA...looking fwd to being here as well. Coming from the E4GT myself this evening and am looking forward to the stuff this thing has the ability to do:thumbup:
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Hello BTVOLTA...looking fwd to being here as well. Coming from the E4GT myself this evening and am looking forward to the stuff this thing has the ability to do:thumbup:
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I'm waiting in line right now
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jtsv said:
Thank you for explaining now you have given me more to think about. Why do they care since warranties still cover rooting? Also makes me have something else to add to the puzzle do I root or not. Most things I was rooting for are now stock so I will continue to think about now knowing about the Knox.
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Well the knox bootloader is big if you are worried about warranty issus and if may need to run 4.2 ROMs.
If you don't think you ever will have either of those situations then that shouldn't matter.
Knox also does have some cool stuff for the corporate world - high security container for applications etc. It's essentially a secure 'sandbox'. I think you'll find many more corps. insisting on an using it. I know my brothers company gave him an S4 with knox for just that reason - secure email/CRM container and connection. This guy had the need too.
But for me I really am pissed that, if needed, I could not set my device to factory original.
Just one more thing an entity will use to keep from supporting a hardware problem they should own by blaming me.
I've had phones with bad radios (GPS part) that needed warranty replacement and one time was told no because I had a custom ROM and the problem was my ROM or my fault for 'destroying' the chip. I promplty went back around the corner flashed a stock .tar and walked back in and proved it to be the hardware.
All that being said this is so far the best phone I've had. And the developers and support folks here are great.
Welcom over y'all and have some fun.
Just got mine and I guess while I was looking foe a case they pushed the update while setting up my s4.
Any advice on what to do?
Depending on the inventory your new one may come with MF9. If so you can just use cf-autoroot to root install a custom recovery and go from there. There is a thread on how to update that firmware (modem and radio) without tripping the knox counter.
To keep it from updating don't take any 'Sprint Firmware updates' during install. You can root right away and then use Titanium to freez the sprint installer and sprint zone to keep the update at bay.
If it comes with MJA you can still root and then install custom recovery. You will just not be able to run a 4.2 ROM stock (using Odin).
Yeah thats the issue part says dont care othet says dont need security issue but its nice to be safe amd secure. Bricked 3 E4GT andb4th power button broke but all covered by insurance when they upgraded me to GS3 and then I needed a new phone and got the Gs4.
My 3 was running Cyan 11 w/4.4 kitkat and Xposed 128 dpi. I have almost everything I was used to with root with this stock except the 128 dpi so Im trying to figure if I just need to play it safe for a while or not.
I'm irritated by the play store every time I try to install with it pulling 1 of 3 error codes ever since upgraded to 4.3 so part of me wants to just root to 4.4 since I know how it runs but Ive only found 1 stable 4.4 available and not too familiar of roms since my experience is from E4GT and Gs3 days.
My first thoughts are if I know I may have issues and create more issues with my phone with Knox then why even bother?
Last clarification if I root Knox then acts like the old odin counter and or it also will keep me from flashing unroot back to stock? Kinda if can't reboot back to stock then if I softbrick and need help im on my own where as in past I still got help from sprint tech support and insurance because they couldn't prove I rooted an csused the issue.
Knox makes it permanent like water damage sticker with iOs?
btoddweber said:
Just got mine and I guess while I was looking foe a case they pushed the update while setting up my s4.
Any advice on what to do?
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I was all over it, made sure they didn't push the update. I now have it frozen, and I flashed beanstalk. It's running great so far. It seems though that none of the nice features that come with this phone are on this ROM. Next I will look to flash another kernel and then comadose. BTW, the recovery I installed B is Philz. It appears that if you want to use some of the nice stock options, probably need flash a TW ROM.
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I have read all KitKat topics till now. It looks nice, but still i'm not convinced to update to 4.4.2. My Note 3 at this moment : 4.3 MK2 UK rooted with Knox 0x0. (csc: Vodaphone UK)
I read posts about success, and also read posts about failure. For example :
- cannot write to SD card (or partial)
- bootlooping
- rooting failures
- soft bricking
I am curious how you think about this.
Pierre118 said:
I have read all KitKat topics till now. It looks nice, but still i'm not convinced to update to 4.4.2. My Note 3 at this moment : 4.3 MI7 rooted with Knox 0x0. (csc: Vodaphone UK)
I read posts about success, and also read posts about failure. For example :
- cannot write to SD card (or partial)
- bootlooping
- rooting failures
- soft bricking
I am curious how you think about this.
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My honest opinion, stay on 4.3. There are a lot of bugs on 4.4.2 - at least with 4.3 you have options with ROMS etc
Some issues I have had
SD cannot write/delete
Rotation issues
STUPID battery drainage
Pain in my A$$
radicalisto said:
My honest opinion, stay on 4.3. There are a lot of bugs on 4.4.2 - at least with 4.3 you have options with ROMS etc
Some issues I have had
SD cannot write/delete
Rotation issues
STUPID battery drainage
Pain in my A$$
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It looks like this a 'leaked' firmware, so many major bugs. But I also read success, how can that be so different?
I'm having a number of problems with 4.4.2, but they're nothing I can't work around with some tinkering. If you can't handle bugs on your phone, stay with 4.3.
If you're looking for big differences you won't find it visually. Most differences are "under the hood".
Haven't had any of the problems spoken about -
SD cannot write/delete
Rotation issues
STUPID battery drainage
But then again I might just be lucky....
If you're happy with 4.3 then est to stay as you are. You will loose root though you can get it again easily enough now Chainfire has released his cf-autoroot for Kitkat (you will trip Knox however).
A lot of cosmetic mods don't work and a fair few xposed mods work partially or not at all.
framework seems to be altered so themes don't work and until these are fixed you are "srtuck" with stock android look. There are some things you can do but not the range of stuff I did in 4.3.
All up its a mixed bag... Just needs time to be cracked and hacked and all will be well again...
Hi,
I just updated my note 3 to 4.4 and it's true that there's nothing extravagantly new on the update.
But, I did notice that my device is no longer rooted. I tried rooting my note 3 via ODIN but there's a problem (bootlooping)...
What can I do about this? I want to root my device but I can't because of the 4.4 update. Is there any methods or available download that I need to do so that I can root my device? And is it possible if I can switch back to 4.3 since 4.4 I flashed was the leaked version?
Looking forward to helping me out with my problem. More power!
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ultramag69 said:
If you're looking for big differences you won't find it visually. Most differences are "under the hood".
Haven't had any of the problems spoken about -
SD cannot write/delete
Rotation issues
STUPID battery drainage
But then again I might just be lucky....
If you're happy with 4.3 then est to stay as you are. You will loose root though you can get it again easily enough now Chainfire has released his cf-autoroot for Kitkat (you will trip Knox however).
A lot of cosmetic mods don't work and a fair few xposed mods work partially or not at all.
framework seems to be altered so themes don't work and until these are fixed you are "srtuck" with stock android look. There are some things you can do but not the range of stuff I did in 4.3.
All up its a mixed bag... Just needs time to be cracked and hacked and all will be well again...
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Sir,
I noticed you mentioned about that Chainfire released a cf-autoroot for Kitkat. Where can I find this? Have you updated yours to 4.4 and is still rooted? Can you help me out? I appreciate it much. Thanks.
Here is the file you need to root 4.4.2
I think after upgrading to 4.42 you can't go back, can't root without tripping Knox, SD is limited, I think you can't use Appop to set program permissions (not sure if there is any replacement), ART is disabled and some other minor bugs and issues.
Come again with benefits please.
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I think after upgrading to 4.42 you can't go back, can't root without tripping Knox, SD is limited, I think you can't use Appop to set program permissions (not sure if there is any replacement), ART is disabled and some other minor bugs and issues.
Come again with benefits please.
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Correct to KNOX and downgrading. Appops does work. But not natively supported. ART isn't implemented.
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radicalisto said:
My honest opinion, stay on 4.3. There are a lot of bugs on 4.4.2 - at least with 4.3 you have options with ROMS etc
Some issues I have had
SD cannot write/delete
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But that's not a bug. It's a kitkat feature, apps need to be updated to work with the new permissions for sd-card access.
Can I use this method (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49047469&postcount=1127) to upgrade to Kitkat? So I'll have root but not the new knox bootloader.
If you don't play CM/AOKP/AOSP ROM and never intend to downgrade, your device is not Hong Kong Variant. Just go ahead update to 4.4.2 KitKat.
The most smooth experience I ever get in stock ROM.
No more delay when click the pull down menu for contact search at Phone Keypad. 1st open is slow but after that it is instantly open. This really important to me as I use it often, really appreciate Samsung finally fixed it.
I don't have rotation issue as small portion user report.
Solid stable.
Those facing bootloop is because either
User never tick Phone Bootloader Update.
Using not compatible custom recovery.
Accidentally flash the ROM at Hong Kong Variant Note 3.
Things to aware on KitKat.
Samsung do S View chip detection, now only Genuine Samsung S View Flip cover is working, all counterfeit and 3rd party include Spigen will stop functioning.
Due to new implementation of KitKat, need new permission for writing data to external SD card, thus making certain apps no longer able to write to SD Card. Currently they is a fixed for root user, or just wait the apps developer updates it.
No way to downgrade to any 4.3 ROM due to new bootloader, also means cannot install any CM/AOKP/AOSP until those developer updates them to new bootloader.
stay with 4.3, update you will regret it.
-Generic S-View case won't work ( just like Iphone ios 7 detect none genuine hardware= rip off)
-Call recording feature is NOT implement with Samsung KK (shame on Samsung), therefore call record WILL NOT work.
-New bootloader (No way to revert back older Bootloader) = IOS can not re-install older version.
-Samsung firmware is now just like f**k IOS.
-This will be my last Samsung Handset.
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Can I use this method (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=49047469&postcount=1127) to upgrade to Kitkat? So I'll have root but not the new knox bootloader.
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No. You need the new bootloader to have 4.4.2 work
This sucks, android was meant to be the more open source friendly software!! It's basically becoming iOS with all the locks and restrictions it's placing everywhere, I think after this note I'm jumping ship to.. Well god knows what! It seems soon everything will be "your device will be this and you can't change that"
Let the consumer buy the product, then f*** them over time.... Thanks Samsung. Glad my new TV was an LG.
:crying:
Stay on 4.3
Pierre118 said:
I have read all KitKat topics till now. It looks nice, but still i'm not convinced to update to 4.4.2. My Note 3 at this moment : 4.3 MI7 rooted with Knox 0x0. (csc: Vodaphone UK)
I read posts about success, and also read posts about failure. For example :
- cannot write to SD card (or partial)
- bootlooping
- rooting failures
- soft bricking
I am curious how you think about this.
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There are no two answers to this! Stay on 4.3
4.4.2 is garbage, believe me! I have tried it and am regretting it! It is slow, buggy and worse of all can crash at any time! So till Google don't release an update, don't even think about upgrading!
From a victim of 4.4.2
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This sucks, android was meant to be the more open source friendly software!! It's basically becoming iOS with all the locks and restrictions it's placing everywhere, I think after this note I'm jumping ship to.. Well god knows what! It seems soon everything will be "your device will be this and you can't change that"
Let the consumer buy the product, then f*** them over time.... Thanks Samsung. Glad my new TV was an LG.
:crying:
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Hehehe, well all the manufacturers are trying to lock down their devices now, LG will be next with their KNOX version, and already Sony are a ***** to play around with I hear... that leaves HTC? - even then, your warranty is void when you unlock your bootloader.... However, they at least offer you the chance to choose an unlocked safe method via themselves..
I'm not defending the corporate garbage, however, you gotta remember it's business to them.. a few modders over millions of normal sales means nothing to them in the long run -- PS My tv is Samsung haha --
iqsoft said:
There are no two answers to this! Stay on 4.3
4.4.2 is garbage, believe me! I have tried it and am regretting it! It is slow, buggy and worse of all can crash at any time! So till Google don't release an update, don't even think about upgrading!
From a victim of 4.4.2
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I replied to your help thread, we'll get you sorted don't worry :good:
for me (sm-n900)
4.4.2
is the real meaning of stability and smoothnes and battery
its really the best choise
i like it
and i think its deffrient from each device
just go ahead and try it
if u have any issues
it will be fixed in the next official updates from Sam
dont worry
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dr. Ketan just released v2 of his 4.4.2 rom. I hope it's stable enough to use it.
I hate bugs, even the very small ones.
I was looking at all the posts in this thread but didn't see a solid answer about the 4.4.2 advantages.
can someone tell us what is 4.4.2 better for?
Pierre118 said:
I have read all KitKat topics till now. It looks nice, but still i'm not convinced to update to 4.4.2. My Note 3 at this moment : 4.3 MI7 rooted with Knox 0x0. (csc: Vodaphone UK)
I read posts about success, and also read posts about failure. For example :
- cannot write to SD card (or partial)
- bootlooping
- rooting failures
- soft bricking
I am curious how you think about this.
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The normal thing for you would be to upgrade from MI7 to MJ7. When Vodaphone UK 4.4 will be out you should start thinking about upgrading to that.
This sucks, its so laggy and its draining my battery so fast.. I want to go back before this update before kitkat. is it even possible? if so will i trip KNOX or anything?
I thought kitkat was so light weight and easy to run. I don't get it I have a galaxy s4 and this sucks...
rayoubi said:
This sucks, its so laggy and its draining my battery so fast.. I want to go back before this update before kitkat. is it even possible? if so will i trip KNOX or anything?
I thought kitkat was so light weight and easy to run. I don't get it I have a galaxy s4 and this sucks...
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There is a partial downgrade method (you'll still will have the NB1 boot loader) to get back to MK2. Here is the guide. Read thoroughly & make sure you follow it exactly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2663545.
If you just want stock rooted, then muniz_ri has that solution as well.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50668385&postcount=4.
Be sure to thank the op in the threads that help you. Good luck :fingers-crossed: & remember reading saves phones!
I just installed official Touchwiz Lollipop from Samsung on my Galaxy S5 and i just wanted to ask you guys...
I think kitkat have a definitely better battery life and a much more beautiful lock screen... but Lollipop comes with ART and great design improvments on system apps.
Which one do you think it's better? Kitkat or Lollipop and why
KitKat is better (for now).
Better battery life, no proximity sensor issues, no wifi issues, no light sensor issues , TW works smoother, overal experience is better even with no ART. Benchmark scores is not everything.
I got Lollipop 3 times and every time I downgraded to KitKat stock rom with root.
No exposed framework on LP (yet).
Maybe in couple of months when LP will be more mature project I will update.
Android One is going to have Android 5.1 soon. For now they sticked with 4.4.4.
I think that Samsung was to hurry with 5.0. They should update to 4.4.4 (especialy they had 4.4.4 done for G901).
I beg to differ with qubbus, I think LP is a much better experience than KK.
- Much more refined and better looking UI;
- I've had none of the issues stated in his post. Battery is the same for me, no issues with the sensors.
- I indeed miss Xposed but for now I rather have the small tweaks of Lollipop.
All in all, the choice is yours.
rinxas said:
I beg to differ with qubbus, I think LP is a much better experience than KK.
- Much more refined and better looking UI;
- I've had none of the issues stated in his post. Battery is the same for me, no issues with the sensors.
- I indeed miss Xposed but for now I rather have the small tweaks of Lollipop.
All in all, the choice is yours.
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Battery was the main reason i choosed to downgrade.. I couldn't get even through 1 day !
The rest was fine for me. ( Even if i didn't liked that new lockscreen too much )
i got my s5 on kitkat and coming from a nexus4 I was quite unsatisfied with the smoothness. but some dev's at the N4 community are really far at solving bugs and memory leaks so lollipop is running quite perfect on the N4. anyway, after I flashed lollipop on my S5 for the first time I was quite happy with the smoothness. much better then KitKat! yesterday I downgraded to KitKat because I wanted to try wanam xposed. but I almost instantly returned to lollipop.. much, much better! it looks better (too bad it's still a long way from stock android), it's much smoother and for me; battery life isn't much different. I didn't encounter any bugs, for me lollipop is running bug less but I have to say I don't use any of Samsung's extra features..
l3o4nn said:
Battery was the main reason i choosed to downgrade.. I couldn't get even through 1 day !
The rest was fine for me. ( Even if i didn't liked that new lockscreen too much )
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how many hours?
-PiLoT- said:
how many hours?
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8-9-10 hours on Lollipop pretty much used
With kitkat i can make it pretty easy through 1 day...and i use my phone like..alot !
l3o4nn said:
8-9-10 hours on Lollipop pretty much used
With kitkat i can make it pretty easy through 1 day...and i use my phone like..alot !
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well its a small computer with a cpu on par with certain laptops, its got the same resolution as a hi def tv, its constantly connected to the internet. i think wanting any more than 12 hours is ludicris and misguided.
-PiLoT- said:
well its a small computer with a cpu on par with certain laptops, its got the same resolution as a hi def tv, its constantly connected to the internet. i think wanting any more than 12 hours is ludicris and misguided.
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Haha. i got your point. But my point was that with Lollipop i couldn t make even 12 hours.
funny how people have different problems with the same OS
I wonder if there like me who have problems in the game of Modern Combat 5? It fails at startup after lollipop update.
Pollie81 said:
i got my s5 on kitkat and coming from a nexus4 I was quite unsatisfied with the smoothness. but some dev's at the N4 community are really far at solving bugs and memory leaks so lollipop is running quite perfect on the N4. anyway, after I flashed lollipop on my S5 for the first time I was quite happy with the smoothness. much better then KitKat! yesterday I downgraded to KitKat because I wanted to try wanam xposed. but I almost instantly returned to lollipop.. much, much better! it looks better (too bad it's still a long way from stock android), it's much smoother and for me; battery life isn't much different. I didn't encounter any bugs, for me lollipop is running bug less but I have to say I don't use any of Samsung's extra features..
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What do you guys mean when you say "downgrade?" Am I missing something or been out of the game too long? I thought flashing a lower bootloader would result inn a brick? Enlighten me please
jdsingle76 said:
What do you guys mean when you say "downgrade?" Am I missing something or been out of the game too long? I thought flashing a lower bootloader would result inn a brick? Enlighten me please
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downgrade means going back too KitKat from lollipop.
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downgrade means going back too KitKat from lollipop.
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Lol, thanks. Yes, I understand what it means, my apologies for not elaborating. Are you saying that you're flashing the LP tar through Odin, then "downgrading" to KK by flashing the KK tar through Odin, or just flashing down up and down with zips through custom recovery?
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Lol, thanks. Yes, I understand what it means, my apologies for not elaborating. Are you saying that you're flashing the LP tar through Odin, then "downgrading" to KK by flashing the KK tar through Odin, or just flashing down up and down with zips through custom recovery?
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thru Odin because I want to keep my Knox untriggered..
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thru Odin because I want to keep my Knox untriggered..
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So you have successfully flashed a 4.4.2 or 4.4.4 KK tar using Odin AFTER flashing LP 5.0 through Odin or downloading it OTA?
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So you have successfully flashed a 4.4.2 or 4.4.4 KK tar using Odin AFTER flashing LP 5.0 through Odin or downloading it OTA?
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Yup, that's what a lot of people are doing after updating via KIES or OTA to Lollipop and finding it worse than KK
Im considering it myself, although don't seem to be having as many issues as others are posting since factory resetting and freezing a few bloatware apps
For me KK is better than Lollipop.
1. Most mods here don't work on Lollipop, yet
2. Xposed isn't supported on Lollipop (BIG ISSUE FOR ME)
3. Notification dropdown background is transparent. I know I can change it if I flash AllianceRom 6.0, but the above 2 points still stand
Gonna wait until Rovo fixes Xposed (hopefully) and for most mods on XDA to recieve a Lollipop version as well (some have it now, but not even close to all of them)
Soo.yeah...Lollipop is smoother and better looking, which means absolutely nothing if you can't mod it the way you want to!
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If I wanna try Lollipop, can I restore my 4.4.2 nandroid backup over my 5.0 firmware just like I would normally if I'm on KK?
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Yup, that's what a lot of people are doing after updating via KIES or OTA to Lollipop and finding it worse than KK
Im considering it myself, although don't seem to be having as many issues as others are posting since factory resetting and freezing a few bloatware apps
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Wow, that's better than it used to be when KK first came out for the S3. If you flashed a lower boot loader, you bricked!
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Wow, that's better than it used to be when KK first came out for the S3. If you flashed a lower boot loader, you bricked!
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There seems to be a lot of conflicting info about it, but Ive read a good few people saying they have managed it fine with no problems after flashing back to KK - not done it myself yet though
But yea, a lot of places are saying if you flash from a KNOX enabled firmware back to a firmware without KNOX, it won't work due to the bootloader, but members here and droid central forums report it working 100% fine
Was there ever a build of KK that had KNOX ?
If yes, then that's likely the build people are flashing back to, if not, then I have no idea
Im still on the fence about flashing back, or just forgetting the warranty and rooting this thing on lollipop as it is
I suppose even if it bricked, you'd be able to recover with ODIN
I'm coming back to KitKat. I didn't like android lollipop. Some of the aplications are not supported and battery life is terrible
Not sure if I'm supposed to post here, never ventured from my phone's thread before. My step dad has had his S5 since maybe April 2014 and it's been a brilliant upgrade from his S3 which he hated after the 4.3 update. He's loved his S5's battery life, performance, everything, but now it's the same story as his S3, and after the 5.0 update the battery is OK he says, but its lagging and crashing. I said that I could "fix" it, and I'd do that with a custom ROM. Do you recommend a stable ROM with battery life the same or better than stock, doesn't matter if it's kitkat or lollipop, however lollipop is better, if anyone could help, I'd be extremely helpful. As far as I know, Samsung's do not have a locked bootloader, correct me if I'm wrong, thanks.
Go for a factory reset, I did that and my S5 runs so nicely on 5.0, more battery and quicker in my opinion. Definitely would try that first.
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Go for a factory reset, I did that and my S5 runs so nicely on 5.0, more battery and quicker in my opinion. Definitely would try that first.
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I'll try that, thanks
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I'll try that, thanks
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A lot of people are reporting issues with 5.0 at the moment......
Things like.....
Poor battery
Problems with wifi
Problems with s - health
Problems with NFC
I'd be tempted to downgrade back to 4.4.2 and wait a while......it's where I'm staying for a while.....at least until 5.0 is a bit more polished......
Sent from my rooted kn0x0 SM-G900F S5