I have looked at the specs and it seems the Amazon Kindle HDX 7" is as good or better on paper than the Nexus 7 2013. I also presume it does not suffer from the screen touch issues that the Nexus suffers from.
Are there any distinguishing differences between the two devices that make one better than the other?
For one I wouldn't want to run that whacky Amazon OS
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I quite agree. The Kindle fire HD does have good specs, but the nexus comes about as stock as you can get and you can't really put a price on that.
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I quite agree. The Kindle fire HD does have good specs, but the nexus comes about as stock as you can get and you can't really put a price on that.
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I am new to all this, but is it not possible to get rid of the stock ROM and install CM on the Kindle and then we do not have to worry about the Amazon OS anymore and all we have left to compare is specs and quality ?
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I am new to all this, but is it not possible to get rid of the stock ROM and install CM on the Kindle and then we do not have to worry about the Amazon OS anymore and all we have left to compare is specs and quality ?
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Yeah absolutely, or Xposed.
I'm looking at the two side by side on GSM Arena (www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idphone1=5727&idphone25600) and in realism there isn't much in it; Snapdragon 800 / S4 Pro, 0.5GHz on the clock speed, Andreno 330 / Andreno 320. On paper I don't think there's much difference in them at all, you're right .
I would wager the deveoplement support for the Nexus is going to be a bit better, as the Nexus really is a development platform so to speak. So the ROM/Xposed module/Kernel /modding releases are going to me be more think and fast. But that's about all I can see.
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Yeah absolutely, or Xposed.
I'm looking at the two side by side on GSM Arena (www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idphone1=5727&idphone25600) and in realism there isn't much in it; Snapdragon 800 / S4 Pro, 0.5GHz on the clock speed, Andreno 330 / Andreno 320. On paper I don't think there's much difference in them at all, you're right .
I would wager the deveoplement support for the Nexus is going to be a bit better, as the Nexus really is a development platform so to speak. So the ROM/Xposed module/Kernel /modding releases are going to me be more think and fast. But that's about all I can see.
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Actually the Kindle's CPU is well faster, from 1.5GHz to 2.2GHz that is a 47% improvement.
The Nexus 7 has screen issues - thousands of posts on that. I had thought my Nexus was OK because I only bought it a few weeks ago, but I did the test today and mine also misses touches. I am not really planning to play games with it, but I am thinking why bother with a problematic device.
[QUOT=Zilliman;49158138]Actually the Kindle's CPU is well faster, from 1.5GHz to 2.2GHz that is a 47% improvement.
The Nexus screen issues - thousands of posts on that. I had thought my Nexus was OK because I only boKindle t a few weeks ago, but I did the test today and mine also misses touches. I am not really planning to play games with it, but I am thinking why bother with a problematic device.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I got my numbers mixed up, it is a 0.7 GHz hike, not 0.5.
Well I don't think it fair to call the Nexus 7 a problematic device as there are millions of units that have not suffered any problems. And though mine misses the odd touch in landscape view its fine otherwise.
The Kindle fire XHD does look very good on paper, but there may be hidden issues with that too. I'd like to try one out though.
I previously owned a kindle fire hd and boy was it a pain in the butt. Having to install a second bootloader to get a custom recovery was a hassle. Development wouldn't have been possible without Hashcode's work. Though once you get through all that, it really is a nifty device.
Now I'm not sure if the HDX is any easier to tinker with, but nothing beats the ease of rooting and flashing on a Nexus device.
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... but nothing beats the ease of rooting and flashing on a Nexus device.
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For most people, myself included, that's case in point right there.
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Well I don't think it fair to call the Nexus 7 a problematic device. And though mine misses the odd touch in landscape view its fine otherwise.
Really? That is a definition of something that is problematic.
It is because of this acceptance of a known problem by so many users that makes Nexus feel it not necessary to correct it. I tried and returned 3 Units none of which of their screens responded even close to my original Nexus 7. Its too bad because other than that it had great potential.
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[QUOT=Zilliman;49158138]Actually the Kindle's CPU is well faster, from 1.5GHz to 2.2GHz that is a 47% improvement.
The Nexus screen issues - thousands of posts on that. I had thought my Nexus was OK because I only boKindle t a few weeks ago, but I did the test today and mine also misses touches. I am not really planning to play games with it, but I am thinking why bother with a problematic device.
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Yeah I got my numbers mixed up, it is a 0.7 GHz hike, not 0.5.
Well I don't think it fair to call the Nexus 7 a problematic device as there are millions of units that have not suffered any problems. And though mine misses the odd touch in landscape view its fine otherwise.
The Kindle fire XHD does look very good on paper, but there may be hidden issues with that too. I'd like to try one out though.[/QUOTE]
Does yours miss a touch if you are holding it in one hand? Apparently the problem only manifests itself if you are NOT holding it (some kind of earthing issue).
I prefer the slim shape of the Nexus 7 to the wider Kindle HDX that's for sure.
What I am currently p*ssed off about is the inability of the stupid Nexus to make phone calls. Really annoying.
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purephysics
Well I don't think it fair to call the Nexus 7 a problematic device. And though mine misses the odd touch in landscape view its fine otherwise.
Really? That is a definition of something that is problematic.
It is because of this acceptance of a known problem by so many users that makes Nexus feel it not necessary to correct it. I tried and returned 3 Units none of which of their screens responded even close to my original Nexus 7. Its too bad because other than that it had great potential.
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Can you please tell me what exact tests did you run before you returned your devices? Was the tablet held in one hand or was it laying on a table? Did you try the three point touch at 90 degrees test or some other type of test ? For example if the tablet is resting on my lap there are no issues with the 3 point touch test and the device correctly registers 3 points, but as soon as I place it on the couch the problem is immediately obvious and at 90 degrees the device misses one point.
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purephysics
Well I don't think it fair to call the Nexus 7 a problematic device. And though mine misses the odd touch in landscape view its fine otherwise.
Really? That is a definition of something that is problematic.
It is because of this acceptance of a known problem by so many users that makes Nexus feel it not necessary to correct it. I tried and returned 3 Units none of which of their screens responded even close to my original Nexus 7. Its too bad because other than that it had great potential.
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I doubt any Nexus owner necessarily "accepts" the screen issues, but many have certainly learned to live with the odd missed touch. This kind of thing can and does happen on many touchscreen devices, it happens from time to time on my Galaxy Note too. In fact it happens about as regularly as it does on the Nexus, which I would say is about once in every 70-100 touches I would guess. On my Nex it only happens when it is lying flat for some reason, the rest of the time it's touch perfect.
A problematic device to me is one that has no end of troubles, processor lag, screen issues, touch issues, charging issues, hardware and software faults. The Nexus has one or two rough edges, but on top of those it's a very capable little tablet.
I understand what you mean about the Nexus brand slipping because people are putting up with faults when they should be speaking out, but people are speaking out about the screen issues. The only thing we can do I hope that the manufactures listen and make the changes needed for the next one.
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purephysics
Well I don't think it fair to call the Nexus 7 a problematic device. And though mine misses the odd touch in landscape view its fine otherwise.
Really? That is a definition of something that is problematic.
It is because of this acceptance of a known problem by so many users that makes Nexus feel it not necessary to correct it. I tried and returned 3 Units none of which of their screens responded even close to my original Nexus 7. Its too bad because other than that it had great potential.
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I think its really unfortunate that some people won't buy this because other people are loudly complaining. I'm sure some people have legit problems but I also think others go out of their way to try to find problems. I don't think I've ever owned a PERFECT electronic device of any sort, even my Apple products have sometimes been less than perfect and they are the poster child for no issues.
If you have a tablet with problems and you don't notice the problems, doesn't that mean the problems don't exist?
Back on topic, I think if you want the latest updates it's a no brainer, go with Nexus. If you don't update and don't customize, well maybe go with the kindle?
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I don't think I've ever owned a PERFECT electronic device of any sort, even my Apple products have sometimes been less than perfect and they are the poster child for no issues.
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I quite agree, perfection in electronics is very often user defined. The Nexus to me isn't a perfect device, not because of the screen issues, but because of the lack of expandable storage. But I get over that with an OTG cable, so no sweat.
What qualifies as perfect to one person is terrible to another.
and back onto subject; the HDX sure looks like a fantastic device, but I'm more than happy with my Nexus 7 and even if I saw the HDX first I'm sure I would have still picked the Nexus. Specs on paper only mean so much.
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I quite agree, perfection in electronics is very often user defined. The Nexus to me isn't a perfect device, not because of the screen issues, but because of the lack of expandable storage. But I get over that with an OTG cable, so no sweat.
What qualifies as perfect to one person is terrible to another.
and back onto subject; the HDX sure looks like a fantastic device, but I'm more than happy with my Nexus 7 and even if I saw the HDX first I'm sure I would have still picked the Nexus. Specs on paper only mean so much.
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I think there are thousands of users with problem screens, and mine (which I very recently discovered suffers too) is not just a coincidence. I now believe the problem exists on all tablets regardless if the users have discovered it or not.
We also know that this only happens if the tablet is not held, is not resting on your lap and is not connected to USB. So there must be thousands of users that have not seen the problem because let's admit it, most of the times you'd be holding the tablet in your hands.
The more important fault is that the screen develops hairline cracks which disable touch in various areas completely! The only solution is to replace the screen/tablet. Judging from the reviews on Amazon, apparently the screen is very sensitive to knocks and to flexing, and develops these imperceptible cracks and touch stops working often without realising why.
In general I think the screen is too important a component to just ignore it.
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I'm sure some people have legit problems but I also think others go out of their way to try to find problems.
Back on topic, I think if you want the latest updates it's a no brainer, go with Nexus. If you don't update and don't customize, well maybe go with the kindle?
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Yes, people do have a legit problem and you don't have to go out of your way to find it, just attempt to use the device as it was intended.
For you to compare a lack of storage (which hopefully you were intelligent enough to notice when you purchased it) to a defective screen is complete Idiocracy.
Do I expect perfection? No. Do I expect the screen to respond at least as well as my first generation Nexus 7? Absolutely.
Back on topic: If you want a screen that responds like a Walmart $59 tablet its a no brainer get the Nexus.
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I recently received my Nexus 7 for Christmas. My only other tablet was a first generation Kindle Fire. I requested the Nexus 7 because of its Android updates, price, and specs. It offered me everything I was looking for and I did my research, trust me. I am not a specs fanatic by any means, but the Nexus 7 runs buttery smooth for everything I do. I couldn't be happier. I was not interested in another round of Amazon's version of Android. While the HDX may be a beast specs wise, I didn't want to put up the effort to root, unlock, and custom mod. I enjoy that to extent as my Kindle is currently running KitKat and finally working decent for its age, but I wanted a strong tablet without the hassle and the Nexus has brought that to me. And that's coming from an Amazon junkie. Absolutely love the Nexus.
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For what it's worth, I haven't been able to reproduce any of the touch issues that I've read other people complaining about, regardless of whether I'm actually holding the tablet or not. I have noticed that the touchscreen seems to be slightly less sensitive than the one on my first gen Nexus 7, but it's never been a problem for me in actual use.
YAMTT shows all 10 touch points while my N7 is laying on my bed, and I can draw basically perfect squares and circles, even with multiple fingers at once. I could just be lucky though.
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For me , the specs of the nexus 7 are fine for me. Everything I have used runs smoothly and for my uses (entertainment, and such) I do not need a faster spec device, since I do not game and dont demand a lot of CPU usage (if that makes sense). Also, one main reason I got the nexus 7 is for development because I love trying out different ROMs and just recently got into using different kernals. The development of any nonnexus device just can't compare to the development of a nexus device.
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So I'm thinking of buying a nexus 7 for school but I would like to hear some opinions from the people who own it.does it have many bugs? I am quite into android so I am going root it/install rooms so hows the development on it?
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I use mine for school book text. Works great nut a 10 inch screen would be better for reading.
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no bugs. none that i experience with stock (only spend 2 hours in stock, straight root after that), there are some bugs in certain custom rom but nothing dealbreaking or annoying. The UI is the smoothest ever from android and you will love it.
I am also thinking about buying it or the Asus tf300 or not.
Is there any problem while using the 7" tablet for the school? Or a 10" tablet us better?
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Its a great all around device. Reviews have been mostly positive but you have to use it to see for yourself. As for me, I love the thing lol. Use it for notes and emails. For school it works great. Gaming is great when I get a chance do get my gaming fix! Media usage is superb and I can't complain one bit about it. I have had no issues with the screen defect that has been reported by some. Screen is a tad washed out when comparing it to my one x but the one x is the best screen in the market in my opinion at least. For what that is worth. (Nothing) lol. Size wise I find it perfect for school and everything else. I use the new iPad at work everyday because it was provided by the company( I have to, not that I want to lol) and I just prefer a 7 inch form factor. Overall I'm super pleased with it and would recommend it to anyone who asks. School, games,media and with it being an android device, there is not really anything you can't do on this tablet. (Within reason lol)
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Its a great all around device. Reviews have been mostly positive but you have to use it to see for yourself. As for me, I love the thing lol. Use it for notes and emails. For school it works great. Gaming is great when I get a chance do get my gaming fix! Media usage is superb and I can't complain one bit about it. I have had no issues with the screen defect that has been reported by some. Screen is a tad washed out when comparing it to my one x but the one x is the best screen in the market in my opinion at least. For what that is worth. (Nothing) lol. Size wise I find it perfect for school and everything else. I use the new iPad at work everyday because it was provided by the company( I have to, not that I want to lol) and I just prefer a 7 inch form factor. Overall I'm super pleased with it and would recommend it to anyone who asks. School, games,media and with it being an android device, there is not really anything you can't do on this tablet. (Within reason lol)
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Is it really good performance for playing games? I heard some games aren't have a good performance
No any complain about the nexus 7 ?
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I was actually thinking of buying the nexus 7 also. However, it's completely sold out everywhere and have no idea when these places are getting a new batch... I also wanted to wait until they get the imperfections out of the way and it's a good solid device with no hardware defects. Anyone who bought the first wave, is there any hardware problems you notice? I heard alot about the screen popping out a little
Buy one ASAP! The best tablet on the market right now. Can't best the price point and the power you get(Tegra3). Plus its running jelllybean. Then if you into rooting, unlocking, flashing custom roms & kernels, then nexus 7 is where its at. Android tablet scene doesn't get any hotter/more popular than nexus7 right now. Battery life great also. IT has a great display and very light.
Stop the contimplating. GET IT NOW! lol
I am comparing the nexus7 and samsung galaxy 7.7(P6810), seems P6810 has good monitor and size(7.7 inch ) and nexus7 has better CPU and stock JB OS. Could anyone tell me which one is better?
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I am comparing the nexus7 and samsung galaxy 7.7(P6810), seems P6810 has good monitor and size(7.7 inch ) and nexus7 has better CPU and stock JB OS. Could anyone tell me which one is better?
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Nexus 7 better all around. Plus for the price, the 7.7 not worth it compared to what you getting with the nexus 7. Nexus 7 has a great display also. It may not be Amoled but its high quality ips with 720p resolution and the colors won't be oversaturated and cartoonish looking like on Amoled. Pound for pound, nothing beats the nexus 7. Especially another tablet in similar size range. Nothing comes close. Nexus7 leads all the benchmarks right now. Plus we have sick developement. All the best custom roms and kernels. All the hard hitting developers have one and developing for nexus 7. Or if not, they already said they planning on it.
well, when ipad2 and 3 came out, plenty of problems, battery, eat, screen ....
second batch is corrected.
so if you buy it now, i think u will get a second batch, people getting model in july, got less lucky, i think models coming in august and beyond will have a better rate of non defective units.
view the number of defectives units reported by asus, they have figured out what to look at before units go into their box.
stil li think there is less 1% chance that your item got some defects. view the millions already sold, and people telling to purchase it with blind eyes.
Well i was looking at getting one but wanted to sell my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 first. But after getting to see it today and mess with it some i came straight home and got on the play store and ordered one. Can't wait until it gets here, i guess in the mean time i will just have to try and sell my other tablet. Haha.
Very nice device. It makes an excellent e-reader which pretty much was the difference for me.
I just wonder how many of the negative stories are really true or real issues or just posts from flamers trying to discredit the Nexus 7. I have had my unit for almost 2 weeks and fail to find any of the problems listed. Too bad there is really no way to find out if these people (posters) really own the Nexus 7 or not. Totally enjoying my Nexus 7 and sorry to report the tablet is almost as perfect as an Android tablet can be for the PRICE.
How do we know you really have one and aren't just trying to balance the narrative? Exactly. There is no way to "know". Either you believe the poster, or you don't. I personally will not tolerate any defects, which is why I haven't purchased one yet.
So most of the people that are reporting issues are doing so to bash the device or are trolling? Because your device doesn't have a flaw....
Lay off the kool aid. The devices had problems.
I find my Nexus 7 perfect for my needs.
As an ex-iOS and general Apple fanboy I decided to buy a Galaxy S3 and more recently a Nexus 7. Admittedly the 'immediate' user experience is not as polished as iOS but after using both devices I have to say I prefer the ecosystem of Android.
Anyway, back to the question; yes, my Nexus 7 is great. To be honest my screen does also suffer, like many others, from being a little loose. But it is hardly noticeable and doesn't bother me.
Only issue I have is touchscreen problem sometimes. Putting the device to sleep and then waking it up again (with power button) solves it though.
Still, at times it gets annoying.
Zero issues with mine aside from the seemingly undersaturated colors, quite happy with it overall.
As a GNote user I'm really tempted by the Note 10.1 but I can't see myself finding the 10" as convenient as the 7" for my needs.
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Yes, my Nexus 7, seems fine, certainly haven't discoverd any defects yet, sometimes, it seems WiFi sort of frezzes, then will start again, probably nothing, as, my Sony S tablet did it, only a lot worse, a lot worse!
I certainly prefer it to my now sold Sony S tablet, OK no LED indication, one speaker, limited to 16Gb, no SD slot, but, its smooth, just the right size to hold in one hand, and, no judder at all, and, for the price, excellent (so far!)
Happy bunny with the Nexus 7 here....................
No problems with Nexus 7
I have now had mine for a week, and it seems free of fault. No dead pixels, nothing loose. Screen brightness OK, sound loud enough for me. For the money (£199 from PC World) and given the limitations imposed by Google (no front camera, speakers on the back, no flash in Jelly Bean) it does what it is supposed to do very well. If it would tether to my phone, I would be very happy indeed.
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I have had mine for three weeks and everything is working as advertised. Very satisfied.
I have had 2 Nexus 7's for 3 weeks and absolutely zero problems. Had a TF101 and I find this size a perfect gaming tablet compared to a 10 inch.
Had mine since Saturday and can't really complain. I've owned 5 other Android tablets and 8 different Android phones. I'm being utterly honest when I say that this thing has the worst build quality that I've ever seen. Yes I'm talking about the screen lifting. While its actually quite minor it severely detracts from what is otherwise an amazing device especially for the dollars. It makes the nexus 7 feel like a freely piece of crap. The worst thing about it is that it would be quite easy to fix the defect. Hopefully future production runs will sort it out.
Other than that annoying issue, which doesn't actually annoy me that much, I love this device to pieces. Its fast, has a nice display, is very portable, and it's a nexus device so it gets updates super quick and of course is shaping up to have an awesome development community.
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I love mine and haven't had any issues since receiving it. I couldn't of imagined it being any better than it is. I do understand why people have gotten frustrated with defective devices cuz I would have too...
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The only problem i have with the N7 is getting it off the kids
Same here, 3 weeks with my N7 and its perfect, yesterday I rebooted for the fisrt time just for testing.. and keeps running great!
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Got the 8gb as the 16gb was sold out wish I would of held out for the 16gb so I could import my music and maybe have a few large memory games on device
have c60K no problems at all, no screen lift, wasnt sure about the screen flickering, i didnt notice anything but I got the Lux app just in case
I had a SGT7 prior to the Nexus 7. I kinda miss the rear camera, and the ability to use a SD card (although to be fair, I never really came close to filling 16GB, but I have a 8GB N7), but overall I'm pretty happy with it
My device came with no flaws also it would seem.
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I just wonder how many of the negative stories are really true or real issues or just posts from flamers trying to discredit the Nexus 7. I have had my unit for almost 2 weeks and fail to find any of the problems listed. Too bad there is really no way to find out if these people (posters) really own the Nexus 7 or not.
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I've had zero problems with mine, but accusing people who are reporting difficulties of trolling is really not constructive or in the spirit of xda.
I've also had zero problems with build quality or functionality. Just got the Moco case, which works great for me. I love the size. The easy to change font size and clarity of the Play Books screen is awesome.
Had mine about two weeks. Rooted and tested Stickmount. Tested mouse and keyboard via USB and Bluetooth.
I didn't like the size of the Ipad so I sold it and bought the N 7, and have had zero problems.
Satisfied .
I have a lot to learn about Android..!
Despite all the flaws (i think there are many including the screen lift dead pixel unresponsive touch screen)is it worth buying ? Am getting it from usa thru my friend to india but what if i have a problem with the device ? Cant replace it ! I fear that alot Pls help me in deciding to get one or not !
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1770919
I've read reviews that the device had issues with the screen lifting. I've had a couple tablets, nook color, nook tablet, kindle fire and I've tested out the new kindle fire HD. Out of all of them I LOVE the nexus 7 and none can touch the nexus 7 imo. I bought one last week and I haven't had any problems. Im sure other members will chime in about there opinions. I would buy it if i were you. I hope my comment helps
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Buy it. Test it in the shop. If not good ask for refund....
I love mine and I live in Europe. Bought in usa....
I don't think the newer models have as many issues, my c80 is great and to me this device just keeps getting better, the latest update is also working great on my end so I recommend it highly, its really a steal at the price too
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I love my Nexus 7. It is amazing! It is totally worth it. The unresponsive touch screen is a software issue, which will probably be fixed. I just got a new update, and it seems to be working well so far. If it happens, you just turn the screen off and then back on. (Just sleep mode) I have had no hardware issues with mine, and I love it. It is totally worth it. Go Google!
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CPU: Nvidia Tegra 3 w/ 4 Cores + 1 Low Power Core @ 1.2 GHz
GPU: Nvidia GeForce w/ 12 Cores @ 416 MHz
RAM: 1 GB of DDR3 RAM
ROM: Nexus 7 4.1.1 JRO03D Stock ROM (Rooted)
Kernel: Stock
I've had mine almost a month now and I haven't seen any flaws. I've been beyond happy with mine. No screen lifting, no wonky display, nothing. Buy one.
The N7 I'm getting is a C80, chances of an issue?
Nexus 7 won the Gadget and Tablet of the year. Flaws you are mentioning are minor and you can always swap Nexus 7 with a new one if it's faulty. There is no other 7'' tablet out there which is as powerful as N7. You will love every bit of it....
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My Nexus 7 doesn't have any issues. I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. I would just buy it and hope you get one without any issues.
hmm - maybe i would not buy it again...
Display calibration is very bad (washed out colors, bad gamma) -> http://www.displaymate.com/Tablet_7inch_ShootOut_1.htm
Even the cheaper Amazon Kindle Fire HD has a better display!
Android 4.1.2 unfortunately is still a little bit laggy compared to iOS 6 or Windows Phone 7.5.
Only stock-launcher runs pretty smooth - Apps (even chrome) are laggy and have input-lag...
Pixel density is not so good too - you can see pixels if your eyes are nearer than 40cm - that´s much better on iPad 3 (and probably iPad mini).
This make fonts look a little bit blurry ...
The speaker sounds a little bit tinny too (also better on ipad).
If the display would be better and android would run smoother (it´s a shame with that good cpu/gpu) it would be a very great gadget!
Overall the iPad 3 (and probably iPad mini) is much more perfect. If you are looking only for a cheap device you will maybe satisfied with the N7.
Keep in mind that this site is where people who have problems go to resolve them and/or rant about them, it's definitely not a random sampling. And threads stick around forever, so you can still read about old problems from right when the N7 first came out... the circuit-board has been rev'd, what, 2-3 times since then? And there are a couple of people who seem to have limitless time to stir up the hornet's nest and rally others to their cause (which is, apparently in one notable case, complete misery)... again, not representative of the vast numbers of people who have had zero problems with the N7. That's the thing about confirmation bias... very few people who are having no problems pop by to say "I am having no problems" (we're too busy using the thing to bother). And now we have threads where we are being told that people who have non-problematic N7's just 'think' they have no problems, but they are really just too stupid to notice them... yeah. So...
My wife bought a Nook, then I bought a Kindle. Then the N7 came out, and after playing with it for a couple of days I sent the Kindle back... a bit prematurely, because my wife then sent back her Nook and got a Kindle. All other things being equal, this probably could have been predicted - I need an Android tablet that I can hack to my heart's content, and she needs a vector for the easy procurement and consumption of ebooks, MP3s, and movies. But having tried all three of those devices, I found that none of them was particularly flawed compared to the others... they all had minor problems, most of which were resolved or worked around with a google search; we did have to send the first Nook back when every 8th row of pixels started flickering on and off, but the replacement was fine in that regard... it just didn't fit our usage needs as well as the others.
At this point, if I was still in the market for a tablet the only thing that would keep me from buying a Nexus 7 is the rumored larger-storage version or even the 10" version (though really I find that the 7" tablets have cut down on how much I use both my iphone and my laptop, so the 7" format seems perfect to me. 32GB of storage would be nice though.)
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Keep in mind that this site is where people who have problems go to resolve them and/or rant about them, it's definitely not a random sampling. And threads stick around forever, so you can still read about old problems from right when the N7 first came out... the circuit-board has been rev'd, what, 2-3 times since then? And there are a couple of people who seem to have limitless time to stir up the hornet's nest and rally others to their cause (which is, apparently in one notable case, complete misery)... again, not representative of the vast numbers of people who have had zero problems with the N7. That's the thing about confirmation bias... very few people who are having no problems pop by to say "I am having no problems" (we're too busy using the thing to bother). And now we have threads where we are being told that people who have non-problematic N7's just 'think' they have no problems, but they are really just too stupid to notice them... yeah. So...
My wife bought a Nook, then I bought a Kindle. Then the N7 came out, and after playing with it for a couple of days I sent the Kindle back... a bit prematurely, because my wife then sent back her Nook and got a Kindle. All other things being equal, this probably could have been predicted - I need an Android tablet that I can hack to my heart's content, and she needs a vector for the easy procurement and consumption of ebooks, MP3s, and movies. But having tried all three of those devices, I found that none of them was particularly flawed compared to the others... they all had minor problems, most of which were resolved or worked around with a google search; we did have to send the first Nook back when every 8th row of pixels started flickering on and off, but the replacement was fine in that regard... it just didn't fit our usage needs as well as the others.
At this point, if I was still in the market for a tablet the only thing that would keep me from buying a Nexus 7 is the rumored larger-storage version or even the 10" version (though really I find that the 7" tablets have cut down on how much I use both my iphone and my laptop, so the 7" format seems perfect to me. 32GB of storage would be nice though.)
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Thank you so much fa ur valuable comment
The N7 is like ace!
I will be getting a Nexus tablet this Xmas, it will either be 32gb N7 or 16gb N10.
I'm very torn to which I should go for.
I currently have an iPad and I'm happy to be leaving IOS but I'm not sure how I'd 7" display on the N7.
My gut feeling is N7 due to the size but I'm not sure due to the size!!!
I know indecisive but that why I'm asking for your opinions.
Thank you in advance.
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I also have a iPad and going to transfer over to the N10.. I believe you have to think about what you going to do with the device the N7 is more portable to take on the road with you .
One thing I've in the past is that once you have a large screen and you've gotten used to it if you go to a smaller screen it will feel inadequate and "too small".
I owned a Nexus One before buying the Galaxy Nexus and when I went to use my N1 again just to factory reset it, it felt like a toy.
I would say get the Nexus 10 since you were on the iPad. You'll be very much satisfied I hope! I know I'm getting the N10!
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I will be getting a Nexus tablet this Xmas, it will either be 32gb N7 or 16gb N10.
I'm very torn to which I should go for.
I currently have an iPad and I'm happy to be leaving IOS but I'm not sure how I'd 7" display on the N7.
My gut feeling is N7 due to the size but I'm not sure due to the size!!!
I know indecisive but that why I'm asking for your opinions.
Thank you in advance.
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Well the one advantage is that the 7 is sold in most tech stores, Currys/PC World, Comet (well for a while!) even tesco's sell it over the counter so go have a look at it, they are normally right next to the ipad so you can compare,
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Well the one advantage is that the 7 is sold in most tech stores, Currys/PC World, Comet (well for a while!) even tesco's sell it over the counter so go have a look at it, they are normally right next to the ipad so you can compare,
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Yep I've been in to those to have a good hands on feel, and I'm impressed. Is the N10 going to stores or is direct from Google only?
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Yep I've been in to those to have a good hands on feel, and I'm impressed. Is the N10 going to stores or is direct from Google only?
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I heard it will be sold by WalMart, best buy, office depot and stores like that on the 14th.
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I heard it will be sold by WalMart, best buy, office depot and stores like that on the 14th.
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I'm in the UK so not sure where it will be stocked here.
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I think you are right on with the size of the N7 being one of its biggest advantages and also one its biggest disadvantages.
The cost is also something to consider, as N10 is twice as expensive as the N7.
My gf and I have a N7, also a (1G) ipad. For home use, I find the size of the ipad better. Even on the go, the screen size on the N7 is a nice step up from a phone. However, if you are like me and will always have a phone on you, the N7 for what I need to do isn't worth hauling around. The N7 is "more portable" then the N10 or iPad, but both devices can often be a pain to haul around anyway. The iPad's screen size however makes a big difference. I think I remember calculating that my GN had about half the screen area of the N7, and the N7 had about half the screen area of the iPad.
Also, the screen quality on the N7 is solid, but the screen on the N10 will obviously look much better, and will be twice as big.
In my opinion, I would go with the N10. Since you came from using the ipad, I think you would miss the size.
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I think you are right on with the size of the N7 being one of its biggest advantages and also one its biggest disadvantages.
The cost is also something to consider, as N10 is twice as expensive as the N7.
My gf and I have a N7, also a (1G) ipad. For home use, I find the size of the ipad better. Even on the go, the screen size on the N7 is a nice step up from a phone. However, if you are like me and will always have a phone on you, the N7 for what I need to do isn't worth hauling around. The N7 is "more portable" then the N10 or iPad, but both devices can often be a pain to haul around anyway. The iPad's screen size however makes a big difference. I think I remember calculating that my GN had about half the screen area of the N7, and the N7 had about half the screen area of the iPad.
Also, the screen quality on the N7 is solid, but the screen on the N10 will obviously look much better, and will be twice as big.
In my opinion, I would go with the N10. Since you came from using the ipad, I think you would miss the size.
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That's awesome feedback, real world application, which is the most important. I'm thinking that if I was getting my 1st tablet then it would be a N7 but as I'm replacing an iPad then it will have to be the N10.
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Finally made my decision, N10 is on its way, had confirmation of shipping last night.
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I'm having a similar decision problem. Being a college student I'm always on the go and thought that the nexus 7 is for me. My problem is the size of my phone. The HTC EVO 4g LTE is pretty mondo sized (4.7in) and I'm trying to decide if I should just skip the 7 completely. Another problem is the price difference and practicality.
I read a lot of PDFs (take notes from them as well), and watch a lot of YouTube lectures. I've been looking around for the 10 just so I can get a hands-on experience and comparison, but can never find a demo.
Thanks so much for the help so far on this thread! :good:
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I'm having a similar decision problem. Being a college student I'm always on the go and thought that the nexus 7 is for me. My problem is the size of my phone. The HTC EVO 4g LTE is pretty mondo sized (4.7in) and I'm trying to decide if I should just skip the 7 completely. Another problem is the price difference and practicality.
I read a lot of PDFs (take notes from them as well), and watch a lot of YouTube lectures. I've been looking around for the 10 just so I can get a hands-on experience and comparison, but can never find a demo.
Thanks so much for the help so far on this thread! :good:
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I have both units now and each suits a different need.
But in a one-size-fits-all showdown, I think you're going to find the N7 is too small to really deal well with most PDF files, you'll be spending a LOT of time zooming. 3 inches of extra screen real estate and twice the pixels makes the N10 great for PDF viewing (well, as great as a 10" device can be with the PDF format).
Thanks for that feedback! As for the portability of the N10 would you say it's practical to take the $400 plunge to lug around everywhere?
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Thanks for that feedback! As for the portability of the N10 would you say it's practical to take the $400 plunge to lug around everywhere?
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I'd say it's worth it to get the Nexus 10, the nexus 10 is surprisingly light for a 10.1 inch tablet while still being well built, it's also pretty thin so think of it as carrying around a small notebook (Paper notebook). In reality it's not going to be that much more tablet to lug around then the Nexus 7, and the Nexus 10 would certainly be lighter and easier to carry around then even a comparable ultra-portable laptop of comparable size.
I was trying to decide between a Nexus 4 and Nexus 10 a short while ago... went as far as making cardboard cutouts of both just to see how they would fare with general usage. Ended up choosing the Nexus 10
I own a N7 & 10 and believe me you wanna go w the 10!!! I had probs w/ my "2" 16gb Nexus 7s.(so did tons of other ppl) Defective first and now speakers pop on mine and my sons. I take care of my devices.. Never turned volume up past 1/2. I still have 1 my son uses and if your in a room and its night time or very quiet , you can hear a pop coming from the speakers. Very annoying!! N10 has been flawless for me thus far. I have not seen any of the issues others have. No reboots...etc. I'm sure the devs will fix all that in time. Open source rules!!:
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You guys are great at marketing, I hope I have no regrets with this choice
I'll dive for the 10
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Well, maybe I'm too late but .. here are my thoughts:
Since you write that you're always on the go .. the N10 is not a tablet you quickly grab from you bag, use it, and put it back in a few seconds. It's made for the full couch experience. If you intend to mostly use it while you're sitting in the cafeteria or in a lecture etc. .. that would be not a problem at all. If you need more mobility the N7 would be the right choice, I think.
As an engineering student ill be doing a lot more sitting and reading, but I know what you mean it was a tough decision. But now I wait :thumbup:
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Here are my thoughts as I am running both an N7 and a N10.
The 7 was my first tablet and though it was the first generation, I did get the one with the loose screen. As I'm a computer geek by trade and lifestyle, i had the tools to pop it open, tighten a few screws and put it back together. The N7 has never come loose since. I keep it in a case that I originally bought for my 1st gen B&N Nook and it actually fits perfectly.
As for it's use, i have used it for everything from playing Angry birds to using it as a map for getting around Europe. It tethered to my Galaxy S3 with 0 issues and works very well and the battery life is impressive. I can get 3 full movies back to back without charging and still have enough juice to read for a couple hours. I have to say i have been thoroughly impressed by it. The N10 would have been a huge pain to try and use as a map around Europe. and it would have been a large target for thieves and muggers as well. The 7" looks like it could be anything from a tablet to a little hand written notepad esp when you are trying to find your way around somewhere. I will agree with everyone that the PDF functionality does suck and as the only thing i keep in PDF are manuals, then yes having the N10 would be better and yes the 1st gen did come with a loose side but as i said i'm a computer geek and it was an easy fix for me. And i do still use it to read books lol. My gf also bought herself one and uses it daily for ready, games and internet, she loves it.
As far as an overall rating the only downs being the screen and the pdf issue. I give it a 9 out of 10 because i don't see these issues as major things. I also never had any speaker issues.
Now as to the N10 I only got it last night and so i haven't had time to do much more than root, unlock the device and add a few things too it. But this morning i was able to show it off the a MD of the company I work for and show him how well it works as well as buy an "office suite" for 99 cents and be able to build files that were already MS office 2010 compatible. The quality of the screen is beautiful and the ability to read comic books as well as pdf is nice. I also intend in time to use this to replace my 1.5 year old laptop. (though nothing wrong with it) i can run citrix through Android and all i really need is a working keyboard. (though I would like a usb to BT transmitter, never seen one though) because i love my ergo split keyboards, hate typing on regular ones.
As for the N10 functionality, so far it's used all the stuff i have on both my S3 and my N7 without question (minus stickmount). I'm going to see if my Sirius satellite radio app works and that way i can use the company wifi to list to my radio account like i do on my phone. So far it's pretty good but but i'll give you more thoughts when i have used it.
Well, ive been using my nexus 9 now for a few days and i just feel a little bit let down knowing how much ive spent and the results ive got. This feeling is purely regarding the hardware as i love lollipop and all the benefits that brings.
I thought i was happy with my nexus 9, well i was until i picked up my nexus 7 2013 and wow.. So light and it felt really nice! No sharp corners and the screen is loads better than the 9. This got me thinking, ive paid double for the 9.
What i would of loved is the 7 just resizing to the 9, using the same style and design (with wireless charging) im not over bothered about the new cpu if im honest, the one in the 7 is fast enough. Plus lollipop feels really slick anyway when i tried the preview version. They would of sold bucket loads, ok a few people would of wanted more but its better that than have loads of dissapointed customers.
Ive owned the Nexus 4 / 5 and both 7's and i even sold my 5 hoping to buy a 6.. Well until they released the price, so im back using the 4 again and very happy with it.
Also to top it all off and rub salt in the wounds HTC in the USA did a 50% off sale on the N9...ok it was only for a day but surely they wouldnt do that if they were losing money on each device would they?
Needless to say my N9 will be going back as faulty for a full refund due to its screen flicker. I love the 4:3 screen ratio so im looking for a alternative.. Any ideas?
Steve
Screen is "loads better" on the N7? I don't understand at all. I've had both side by side and can't see how you can come to that conclusion.
I believe the only alternative with a 4:3 aspect ratio would be an iPad.
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I believe the only alternative with a 4:3 aspect ratio would be an iPad.
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Sadly, I've come to the same conclusion. Ugh.[emoji20]
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Screen is "loads better" on the N7? I don't understand at all. I've had both side by side and can't see how you can come to that conclusion.
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Can you do a Nexus 7 and Nexus 9 side by side video review?
I'm curious how they compare performance wise, i.e. page loads, refresh rates, stuttering, what movies look like on the N9 in the horizontal orientation etc.
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Can you do a Nexus 7 and Nexus 9 side by side video review?
I'm curious how they compare performance wise, i.e. page loads, refresh rates, stuttering, what movies look like on the N9 in the horizontal orientation etc.
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I'll see if I have time this weekend.
Don't have a tripod, would be tough to hold the camera and perform actions at the same time on both tablet, but I'll see what I can do.
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Well, ive been using my nexus 9 now for a few days and i just feel a little bit let down knowing how much ive spent and the results ive got. This feeling is purely regarding the hardware as i love lollipop and all the benefits that brings.
I thought i was happy with my nexus 9, well i was until i picked up my nexus 7 2013 and wow.. So light and it felt really nice! No sharp corners and the screen is loads better than the 9. This got me thinking, ive paid double for the 9.
What i would of loved is the 7 just resizing to the 9, using the same style and design (with wireless charging) im not over bothered about the new cpu if im honest, the one in the 7 is fast enough. Plus lollipop feels really slick anyway when i tried the preview version. They would of sold bucket loads, ok a few people would of wanted more but its better that than have loads of dissapointed customers.
Ive owned the Nexus 4 / 5 and both 7's and i even sold my 5 hoping to buy a 6.. Well until they released the price, so im back using the 4 again and very happy with it.
Also to top it all off and rub salt in the wounds HTC in the USA did a 50% off sale on the N9...ok it was only for a day but surely they wouldnt do that if they were losing money on each device would they?
Needless to say my N9 will be going back as faulty for a full refund due to its screen flicker. I love the 4:3 screen ratio so im looking for a alternative.. Any ideas?
Steve
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Think its more your wallet that has hurt your view of it. (in my opinion) and I get that. That and lollipop is great its supposed to be faster and not just on new devices this was the goal starting from KK. So shelling out that much money when you have the N7 may hurt a bit. I like the portability of the N7 Spent most my time with the n10 though. I just prefer bigger for some tasks.
The 50% sale only lasted an hour or less and was more hype than anything. Still there is a large markup on these much like there is on every premium device.
The screen flicker i don't have but if I were you I would definitely do an exchange or just send it back.
Personally I have been enjoying it but haven't spent enough time with it yet ( one day)
I'm enjoying mine a lot. I've had both Nexus 7's and I liked the 2nd gen a lot. But it didn't feel like a tablet to much because it wasn't really much bigger than my phones (Nexus 5 and OnePlus) this is a good upgrade. I'm waiting for more performance tweaks in future updates or new Roms. It hiccups from time to time but not much to worry about.
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i believe the only alternative with a 4:3 aspect ratio would be an ipad.
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death before apple!
Just imagine taking the iPad air 2 and putting lollipop on it, best tablet ftw
The N9 screen is a LOT better than the N7's (lightbleed aside). I would go as far as to say that it has the best overall screen of any Nexus device that came before it in terms of color accuracy, fidelity, and viewing angles.
I share the thoughts of the op. I have both the n7 FHD and n9 and ive only been using the n7 since every time I grab the n9 the light bleed, loose back and over heating bothers me so much. I'm returning it for sure. Maybe I'll give it another shot once they work out all these issues.
And also, just noticed today when turning the n9 on, that it has yellowish spots when the screen is black but backlight is on (as in when turning on).
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Will they sort the QC issue out thou? Its put me off to be honest.... I'll probably wait for the next premium tablet...
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Will they sort the QC issue out thou? Its put me off to be honest.... I'll probably wait for the next premium tablet...
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Zero issues here with mine. Every product has their issues. There is always an "issues" and "disappointment" bandwagon for the first few weeks.
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Zero issues here with mine. Every product has their issues. There is always an "issues" and "disappointment" bandwagon for the first few weeks.
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Exactly.
Some people think buying The Shield will make them happy. Sure, it's a great tablet, I had one before my N9 I know but check out their board on xda. It's just as littered with complains of this fault and that fault.
I've never heard of a device with ZERO complaints about something.
I am loving my N9. I have the Asus TF701T also and now that ive been using the N9 for a week the only time i pick up the Asus is when i want to play a game that is not compatible yet on my N9. I have none of the issues that others are complaining about. Feels great, looks great and works great.
That's all folks.
I am finding a LOT more reviews where they are saying the N9 was a missed chance... there is no excuse for the squidgy back and light bleed on a premium tablet...
I'm thinking Nokia N1 now... it has the laminated screen and the aluminum body the N9 should of had.
So, what tablets have similar specs to the N9, but without the issues, regardless of cost? I'm currently waiting for LTE version (though maybe I'll grab a sand one when it comes out if I decide I can live without LTE), but I'm definitely open to a better alternative. I know there aren't any that have 64 bit processors or Android 5.0 (yet). But beside those, is there any other Android tablet that's around 8-9 inches and has similar performance. I mostly will use it for web browsing, games, and testing apps that I've developed. Thanks!
Get a nexus 6
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Still there is a large markup on these much like there is on every premium device.
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That's the problem. It's a premium price sticker for a not-premium device.