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Seems like lots of nexus 4 issues after rooting/custom ROM

I've been flashing ROMs for years on my devices, and my new nexus arrives in a couple of days, replacing my amazing Samsung Vibrant (currently whizzing along on a very fast and stable 4.2.1 build)..... hard to believe a phone that's coming on 3+ years old and was dropped by T-Mobile at Froyo!
Seems that folk's flashing custom ROMs/kernels are having a ton of issues, and my question is this.
If the concept of the nexus device is pure Google and the latest stable ROMs, why bother flashing half-baked ROMs that cause problems?
I would assume the nexus 4 has the latest 4.2.1 build and should be stable, no?
Just trying to figure out the advantages of flashing problematic custom ROMs when this phone gets tested, stable latest builds?
How can you possibly stay ahead of Google if this phone gets the latest update as soon as it's available?
Thanks, looking forward to joining the nexus 4 community.

Hello and welcome to the Nexus community.
People usually flash custom ROM not for latest build but latest features. Google might have latest builds going on with nexus line but there are many features that only custom ROM offers. For example, making a quick toggle actual toggle, not a quick shortcut.
Also custom ROM for nexus have been much more stable than other phones since nexus phones already is running stock android, which is very close to AOSP, developers don't need to do a lot of work for basic features.
With these being said, I'm sticking with stock rooted mainly because features custom Roms provide isn't really needed for me and definitely not worth losing a bit of stability. But everyone is different.
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kyokeun1234 said:
Hello and welcome to the Nexus community.
People usually flash custom ROM not for latest build but latest features. Google might have latest builds going on with nexus line but there are many features that only custom ROM offers. For example, making a quick toggle actual toggle, not a quick shortcut.
Also custom ROM for nexus have been much more stable than other phones since nexus phones already is running stock android, which is very close to AOSP, developers don't need to do a lot of work for basic features.
With these being said, I'm sticking with stock rooted mainly because features custom Roms provide isn't really needed for me and definitely not worth losing a bit of stability. But everyone is different.
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Cool, appreciate the reply.
I see you are running stock ROM, but custom kernel? Does the kernel help with improving battery life? I've read that the battery life on the nexus 4 is lack luster and will only get you through a day of average usage before needing a charge?
That will be the only thing that I will flash - kernels that improve smoothness of experience and increase battery life.
I recall the original Vibrant ROM's were good but battery was crap. Over time and with a very strong (still to this day) developer community, I'm getting a couple of days with average use....and that's on an old battery too!
I should get my phone delivered tomorrow, so am excited to see how it compares to my aging Vibrant (running HellyBean 4.2.1 and it's really very very fast).
Cheers!

Yes I am using Franco kernel because it gives me extra battery life while giving a smooth experience. Franco was smart enough to fix a problem that Google caused
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Does having TWRP and Stock ROM still allow OTA Google Updates?
kyokeun1234 said:
Yes I am using Franco kernel because it gives me extra battery life while giving a smooth experience. Franco was smart enough to fix a problem that Google caused
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I see that you have stock ROM but rooted with TWRP - I just completed this setup, despite being a little tricky as the auto downloads/updates from Wugfresh were not working (not an AV/Firewall issue - had them all turned off) so had to do a lot of manual install.
Anyway, my question is this:
If I stick with stock ROM and Franco Kernel, will I still get OTA updates from Google?
I'm not really interested in custom ROM's right now and would rather get the latest official from Google - I am assuming that is what you also want, hence emulating your setup.
Thanks.

Globespy said:
I see that you have stock ROM but rooted with TWRP - I just completed this setup, despite being a little tricky as the auto downloads/updates from Wugfresh were not working (not an AV/Firewall issue - had them all turned off) so had to do a lot of manual install.
Anyway, my question is this:
If I stick with stock ROM and Franco Kernel, will I still get OTA updates from Google?
I'm not really interested in custom ROM's right now and would rather get the latest official from Google - I am assuming that is what you also want, hence emulating your setup.
Thanks.
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Um as far as I know, technically yes, you will receive updates from Google. But I've heard that any modification can effect the update so I'm not expecting to use ota but I believe that great developers from xda will surely release a stock updated ROM with root and everything that you can flash on twrp. That's what I've been doing with galaxy nexus before using nexus 4
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I'm running the latest CM10.1 nightlies and have had no issues and great battery life.
My wife is running stock, unrooted with no issues and great battery life.
Keep in mind that it's the people with issues who are most vocal. I'm guessing that the majority have no problems either way.

Aosp is the same as stock. All nexus roms base on aosp plus officially supplied drivers. That means Google Android as you know it runs stable. Features on top of that are in development and that is what may cause some issues, but only if you use these features and only in their isolated scope. No one ever suffers from missing Wi-Fi, gps, Bluetooth, etc. I don't think i would put a rom on a non nexus device, the only reason i buy nexus is because it's an open platform and i can enjoy cool ideas and features.

Rooting Nexus 7 any point to?

I looked around but did not really see any great point in rooting the nexus 7, it gets latest updates from google as it is. Is there any point to root like beter battery and stuff, if so what are best roms to install on it?.
Thanks

seanoneill92 said:
I looked around but did not really see any great point in rooting the nexus 7, it gets latest updates from google as it is. Is there any point to root like beter battery and stuff, if so what are best roms to install on it?.
Thanks
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I recommend smoothrom, it's my favorite. I've been using it for months and it gets much better battery life than stock.

There are only two possibles with this question:
1) You like/love your Nexus 7 just the way it is and you're very happy with the performance and knowing it will get some official updates before most any other devices do (just like it did yesterday with 4.2.2 and it being only one of 4 devices to get it this early)
or...
2) You like/love your Nexus 7 just the way it is but you're interested in seeing just what it's really capable of because "pure stock" is never going to really show of what the Nexus 7 can do in terms of performance and even battery life.
If you're firmly situated in the type of person where #1 is absolute and true, then stick with what you've got. If you're the type of person where #2 is more akin to your interests, then obviously rooting is the way to go because it basically opens up those possibilities that "pure stock" simply can't offer.
As for what those opportunities are, well, that's why XDA- Developers exists: this forum has (according to the latest stats):
Threads: 1,724,770, Posts: 35,783,153, Members: 4,897,464, Active Members: 488,400
Suffice to say this place didn't get this popular with people running "pure stock."
And just for the record: rooting does NOT mean you must install a custom ROM or anything like it - rooting gives you the opportunity (along with unlocking the bootloader, obviously) of running custom kernels which can and do add a lot of goodies in terms of performance and battery life while still remaining with the stock ROM overall. Custom ROMs are just another bonus on top of unlocking bootloaders and rooting devices - they're not the end-all-be-all, however.
A lot of people don't quite get that so I figured I'd point it out...

If your running 4.2.2 rooting is impossible js
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Class_of_punk26 said:
If your running 4.2.2 rooting is impossible js
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No its not.

Just because you can't root and can't use Google search like the rest of us doesn't mean its impossible. It took me about 20 minutes to do it when I got it and I had no idea what I was doing. It's all because this wonderful thing we call Google search.
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Thanks everyone for the replies but i decided i wont bother rooting for now since its get new updates,when that stops ile root it

My Nexus 7 was rooted successfully and I have the latest version 4.2.2
Nothing is impossible ^_^
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I have a highly modded GNex phone and have been an active member of the Android Dev community for quite a while now. I love how I have configured my GNex and I wouldn't have it any other way.
With my N7, I just adore this thing totally stock, non-rooted, all locked-up. Not only can a stock N7 function beautifully IMO, I find that spending 0% of my time futzing with ROM selection, kernal selection, and endless tweaking allows me to dedicate 100% of my time to just enjoying and using the thing.
So, I Iike living in both worlds, on different devices, for different reasons. If you enjoy your N7 just the way it is, go grab it and enjoy it some more. That's just what I am doing. No need to question it!

That's kind of what I did as well, except the complete opposite of you. I've unlocked and rooted both my Gnex and N7, but my Gnex is stock. I left it that way so I can get the official updates, which I'm always curious about. The N7 is more like a testing tool, and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Q] Why downgrade your s4?

This isn't really a question, a little more like a long rant. So I see here and other sections where people are asking when cm10.1, AOKP, and similar roms will come out for the s4. Why would you want to do this to your phone? If you want cm10.1 you mine as well get a nexus phone because what it's made for. I could you switching from touchwiz 4.0 to 4.2 cm10.1. But switching from 4.2 touchwiz to 4.2 cm10.1 is stopping your phone from being at it's full potential. My question to you is why? Why do you want to downgrade your s4?
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I have many app ideas, but don't have the skill or the time to learn how to make an app. if you would like to know an idea and attempt to make one, just message me.

Because we can or want? Because we dont like TW or want vanilla with a good cam? Do we really need a reason?
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Never used touch wiz but from seeing people's phones messing with them for a bit it seeks like crap
With that said I got the s4 because it will have much better battery life that my Nexus 4 and I'll be able to replace battery when it depletes which Ai need for work

I'll stick with stock until a new Android version arrives. I'll flash the new CM until Samsung stock updates. I'll go back to stock until there is a new Android version. And so on....

Similar to above, my strategy is just to roll with stock for a year, and if I haven't upgraded to another phone and plan to keep using my GS4, but updates are coming slow, then I'll use CM. That's really all I care for, since the S4 is pretty fast even with TW, and battery is easily accommodated.

ArianaGrande said:
This isn't really a question, a little more like a long rant. So I see here and other sections where people are asking when cm10.1, AOKP, and similar roms will come out for the s4. Why would you want to do this to your phone? If you want cm10.1 you mine as well get a nexus phone because what it's made for. I could you switching from touchwiz 4.0 to 4.2 cm10.1. But switching from 4.2 touchwiz to 4.2 cm10.1 is stopping your phone from being at it's full potential. My question to you is why? Why do you want to downgrade your s4?
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I have many app ideas, but don't have the skill or the time to learn how to make an app. if you would like to know an idea and attempt to make one, just message me.
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I would call it a upgrade, not a downgrade. CM will give more smooth experience, better battery life, alot faster updates, better aosp browser, better messaging and contact app, better costomization, more space left for the phone (not "only 9gb left" like touchwiz), better ram optimization, better overall user experience.
And ye, I dont care about all the bloatware and gimmicks Samsung give us. It slow down the phone and you'll only get frustrated.
Btw thanks to all the beloved CM developers who using their sparetime for giving us choices.

Originally I wasn't planning to use any custom roms on my S4, but hearing about the lack of smoothness is tempting me to. A fast and lag-free UI is important to me, so flashing a rom that provides that would not be a "downgrade" for me. Besides, I'm mostly indifferent to touchwiz features except for possibly multi-window, and it'd be nice to get rid of both Samsung and carrier bloatware. What's it to you though?

for me, first and foremost the smaller memory print on my sd card. 9 GBYTE out of 16 is ridiculous.
if it doesn't support a 64 bit Filesystem for my sd card, I won't install it.
Samsung ROMs on my S3 never let me down. Plus a lot of extra features. Compared with my Nexus 7 which is running almost perfect on a AOSP Rom.
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The "9gb issue" is easily fixable, like most providers they want to add extra apps (bloatware) that you don't need (unless you desire), all you have to do is get rid of the things you dont want or need. That will give you a ton of space.
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I have many app ideas, but don't have the skill or the time to learn how to make an app. if you would like to know an idea and attempt to make one, just message me.

for future reference this can be posted in Q&A section

If Samsung will start a childish cat and mouse game like Apple, were you need a exploit to root it, I will install CM for sure!
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ArianaGrande said:
The "9gb issue" is easily fixable, like most providers they want to add extra apps (bloatware) that you don't need (unless you desire), all you have to do is get rid of the things you dont want or need. That will give you a ton of space.
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Most bloatware apps can only be disabled, not uninstalled. And I'm puzzled why you have an issue with what people install on their own phones. Isn't it possible that many people like the Galaxy S4's hardware but not its software?

Of course you will be able to get rid of the bloatware...just root it, and install titanium backup...off ya go...

Space, quicker updates, more aesthetically pleasing to me UI.

jj03 said:
Of course you will be able to get rid of the bloatware...just root it, and install titanium backup...off ya go...
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I'm talking about without rooting the phone, since that's what he's saying is unnecessary for people to do to the S4.

Come on now Ariana
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snapple232 said:
I'm talking about without rooting the phone, since that's what he's saying is unnecessary for people to do to the S4.
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Forgive me...i have just finished a long nightshift...
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I want CM. I also want all the Samsung bloatware with no compromise.
Is that possible?

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I'm talking about without rooting the phone, since that's what he's saying is unnecessary for people to do to the S4.
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I'm all for rooting, just not for people downgrading there phone by installing cm.
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ArianaGrande said:
I'm all for rooting, just not for people downgrading there phone by installing cm.
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Just read my post earlier and you will understand why people want CM, and stop talking about downgrade to CM. If CM is not for you, so dont install it. This thread is meaningless and you are officially a troll.

What ROM are you using now?

Hi, I'm a new nexus 7.2 WI-FI owner, coming from an old Samsung Galaxy tab 8.9 with CM10.1.2
I've been playing with the stock ROM for a week now and I'm happy. I'm wondering if I'm missing anything staying in stock. My old galaxy nexus phone is also on CM10.2, haven't tried any Rom other than CM.
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Since the new Nexus 7 is Google's flagship device, they push out the latest release of the Android OS very quickly (first to get it). You have to ask yourself what's to be gained by using a custom ROM? Most folks who use them on their phones its to eliminate bloatware and run a later Android OS than their carrier has pushed out. The Nexus 7 Wi-Fi model doesn't have carrier loaded bloatware and you have the latest OS already. I run the stock ROM rooted . . . it's all I need.

Summit1 said:
Since the new Nexus 7 is Google's flagship device, they push out the latest release of the Android OS very quickly (first to get it). You have to ask yourself what's to be gained by using a custom ROM? Most folks who use them on their phones its to eliminate bloatware and run a later Android OS than their carrier has pushed out. The Nexus 7 Wi-Fi model doesn't have carrier loaded bloatware and you have the latest OS already. I run the stock ROM rooted . . . it's all I need.
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I haven't rooted nor installed customized ROM yet but what I'm missing about cm is the little customizable things such as options and layout of quick notification tiles, quiet hours, DSP manager, etc. Also very looking forward to the day some Dev can unleash the cellular function of the LTE version,

If you want some additional features like customizable shortcuts, HALO, lock screen shortcuts, PIE or something else, flash some other ROM. If you're a Nexus 7 WIfi owner, then it's not a big problem to choose one. There's a lot of them for FLO (32GB, Wi-fi). I'm personally using PAC Rom and ElementalX kernel, but it's just because I like Paranoid Android and AOKP features. If you don't want a lot of customizing, find something else, possibly lighter, faster, more battery efficient. Or simply use CM 10.2. And if going to settings to change Wifi state doesn't get on your nerves, you did rooting and want your device to run fast and have the latest OS, stay on stock.

I'm waiting for kitkat, so i figured if i root now, ill have to wait until someone gets the source and provide a flashable update. I'm originally from the Philippines but i stay in Ireland for 2 more months for a client im working with now. I bought the device in Dublin so I hope I get the update earlier than if i was in asia.
I actually miss being rooted and able to block annoying ads but i guess after the kitkat update I'll root immediately.
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I am stock, rooted. I really haven't seen the need for anything else at this point. I DO think rooting needs to be done, if for nothing else that Titanium Backup. Plus, I think it is silly to have a device that you don't have access to the file system. Kinda like installing Linux without the "su" function.

PJ Clifford said:
I am stock, rooted. I really haven't seen the need for anything else at this point. I DO think rooting needs to be done, if for nothing else that Titanium Backup. Plus, I think it is silly to have a device that you don't have access to the file system. Kinda like installing Linux without the "su" function.
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True that. But like Apple, Google is protecting the masses, aka non tech people, from breaking their own devices. Only knowledgeable people should root their devices.
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stgeorge88 said:
I haven't rooted nor installed customized ROM yet but what I'm missing about cm is the little customizable things such as options and layout of quick notification tiles, quiet hours, DSP manager, etc. Also very looking forward to the day some Dev can unleash the cellular function of the LTE version,
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You can do most of this on stock with Xposed Framework.

Using pandroid no problems or lock ups yet.
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CarbonRom and ElementalX kernel.
On my Galaxy S3 I also run Carbon with KT747 kernel.

mixterz said:
Using pandroid no problems or lock ups yet.
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I saw in one post they're having lockups at least once a day. Maybe you're not the heavy user type?
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martin707 said:
I saw in one post they're having lockups at least once a day. Maybe you're not the heavy user type?
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Not everyone experiences lockups. In fact, when everything works, people usually stay quiet.
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Summit1 said:
Since the new Nexus 7 is Google's flagship device, they push out the latest release of the Android OS very quickly (first to get it). You have to ask yourself what's to be gained by using a custom ROM? Most folks who use them on their phones its to eliminate bloatware and run a later Android OS than their carrier has pushed out. The Nexus 7 Wi-Fi model doesn't have carrier loaded bloatware and you have the latest OS already. I run the stock ROM rooted . . . it's all I need.
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I would think people are more likely to go the custom rom route because they wish to have more control over their devices, as in more settings/options. Then add in some of the cool additions rooms have.
Though some can be mimicked via apps.

Just the stock ROM; not rooted yet.

PA. Absolutely love PA.

PA and Franco kernel. Love the extra features of PA

Been using Carbon. I really like it and the nightlies have been very stable for me so far.

I'm running the latest PAC man ROM with elemental X kernel.
There actually is a lot to be gained... With this custom kennel I have double tap the screen to wake, swipe to sleep.
With PAC man you can also use the PA gapps to customize the colors of the apps. Also has swipe the top of the screen to adjust brightness. There are several themes as well. I run the PAC in black theme that comes with the ROM.
Just a few reasons why I prefer a custom ROM over the stock rooted rom
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I'm using AOKP and plan on staying with it. There wasn't anything wrong with the stock rom and I considered staying with it, its' the first android device where I wasn't unhappy with something. The reason I use AOKP is mainly because of how easy it is to theme it. Literally hundreds of options and changing the theme is like getting a new rom without the hassle of changing rom's. It's nice to have something new to look at when you get bored, plus I like all the rom control options like changing the battery icon and clock position and color.
Plus with this device its soooo easy to go back to stock I am not afraid of having any issues if I ever want to unroot and update.

I'm using AOKP, stable tablet ui with no need of changing dpi settings, adding 7 buttons to the navbar and customizing them.
Also use Carbon, for the lots and lots of features.

CM & franco kernel w/ DT2W

kitkat update is just a junk... don't update.

Hello friends
Many note 10.1 owners were waiting for kitkat update
Now its available...
But its a total junk
I would recommend pls don't update it
Its trim down many of its essential features for nothing
1. Lock screen is ugly now there is no option to reduce size of giant missed notifications,
app shortcuts is on right side only not in canter like before,
only right hand can be use to swipe unlock, swiping on left side can't unlock
2. S pen detach menu options has been gone... now there is no options when you pull out s pen... its a total shame Samsung
3. OS UI is just like phone not like tablet... there are only 3 soft buttons on bottom now just like nexus phone and upper part is just like mobile notification bar and also very tiny its very hard to use it like a tablet...
4. Air view in gallery is very tiny... don't know what the f**k they hv done to it...
Same problem also with video air preview and massages n emails app ... very tiny..
5. Almost All apps are same **** like before no update at all
only very few apps like calculator dealing app etc. are slightly changed
But worth update in my opinion....... NOOOOOOOOOOOO
And if you just want kitkat which is another junk from Google
I think jelly bean was also very stable n yes its work on tablet UI...
but now I hv 10.1 screen n hv to tap here n there just to operate this....
Thanks
Sorry for my bad English
N someone pls tell me how to revert back to jellybean official Indian firmware
Thanks
One more new problem I found today: keyboard has lost its gesture control to change keyboard's layouts
you hv to set it up manually...
update : no more floting windows option in multi windows just 2 fixed windows..... helllllllll

I agree with you that Samsung's implementation of 4.4 and Android in general sucks. But that is where agreement stops. Original Google 4.4 and actually 4.3 as well as 4.2 are very usable and nice looking operational system. And pretty functional too. I feel sorry for all of this millions of Samsung's that stuck with what ever company put on their tablets and phones that are very nicely designed hardware but software Samsung is using not a much for hardware. If you are brave root your device and install one of the non- official close to real Google KitKat firmware and you will be shocked how much better it is. Just mine 2cc. Note 10.1 Original 2012 with OmniROM.
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1. I would disagree with you, I think it's an improvement over the old lockscreen: https://hostr.co/file/bRNkmTritpRP/1401072520160.png
2. You can use GMD S Pen to get back the menu that shows up when you pull out the s pen. For me, I found it pointless because it wasn't very customizable nor convenient for me.
3. That's Android's fault, buttons are center now, even on stock AOSP rom.
4. I agree with you that the air view is not that great, but for me this isn't a deal breaker.
5. Not necessarily a bad thing, people have already ported many apps from the Note 10.1 (2014) and other newer devices onto our note.
Google isn't to blame for the issues you have, Samsung is. KitKat actually has many great improvements on our Note 10.1 (being able to move apps to SD Card, more apps are compatible, and overall better performance.
If you insist on going back, you need to flash the old rom via Mobile Odin, but you won't be able to flash the bootloader because of KNOX.

Works Great for me..... :good:

I'm just waiting to see he they make an update that posts out the mess or if one of the many custom roms comes up to the mark soon ie. With all the features working and the original interface.
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>Use Gnabo stock rom v3
>Profit
In my own personal experience I've seen that the performance improvement is leaps and bounds over the 4.1.2 any day and that's all I really care about.
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jdgreat4 said:
>Use Gnabo stock rom v3
>Profit
In my own personal experience I've seen that the performance improvement is leaps and bounds over the 4.1.2 any day and that's all I really care about.
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100% agreed!
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link6155 said:
1. I would disagree with you, I think it's an improvement over the old lockscreen: https://hostr.co/file/bRNkmTritpRP/1401072520160.png
2. You can use GMD S Pen to get back the menu that shows up when you pull out the s pen. For me, I found it pointless because it wasn't very customizable nor convenient for me.
3. That's Android's fault, buttons are center now, even on stock AOSP rom.
4. I agree with you that the air view is not that great, but for me this isn't a deal breaker.
5. Not necessarily a bad thing, people have already ported many apps from the Note 10.1 (2014) and other newer devices onto our note.
Google isn't to blame for the issues you have, Samsung is. KitKat actually has many great improvements on our Note 10.1 (being able to move apps to SD Card, more apps are compatible, and overall better performance.
If you insist on going back, you need to flash the old rom via Mobile Odin, but you won't be able to flash the bootloader because of KNOX.
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amitsharma.atc said:
Hello friends
Many note 10.1 owners were waiting for kitkat update
Now its available...
But its a total junk
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Hallo,
That my mine.
KitKat Update for the Flagship Device, Note 10.1 (2012), is a Shame, a Quick and dirty Update, only they can say we update to Kitkat.
No new Feature (Air Command), Old Software (Weather) convert to new ROM.
The Center Buttons and the Lockscreen come from Google.
In the Future i don't buy any Flagship Device from Samsung, i buy any Budget Device and after 12 Month i drop it into the Trash and buy a newer, but not from Samsung.

krid.of-k said:
In the Future i don't buy any Flagship Device from Samsung, i buy any Budget Device and after 12 Month i drop it into the Trash and buy a newer.
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This is exactly what they want you to do. Buy and consume... unfotunately we have money to consume and pollute environment for nothing.
I have begun thinking to get Surface for my next tablet when my N8000 is end of its life. Allthought three things was necessary to me - a tablet, phone and a pen - to have in one package, i need to think it all over again. And probably need to have a phone and a tablet in the future (which i dont like, but Samsung cant offer reliable support for its devices).
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Agreed with OP with some points
Go for omni if you don't need camera and screen recording features
Omni offers latest kitkat 4.4.3 and gets updated everyday (Delta updates), super smooth, customisable etc.
I installed Touchwiz because i need to use video and screen recording otherwise i would have never updated to touchwiz again, but one good news for touchwiz kitkat is that someday in future out tablet has touch to wake functionality through boeffla kernal..... :good:

I've been waiting and waiting for kitkat but as I have N8010 is gonna be a long time yet I guess......
I wanted to try gnarbo rom but I don't want the phone stuff as I have no need for them.
I'll just have to wait for the official kitkat for my tablet, but then am still unsure whether I'll update as I want the goodies of what my 2014 has so will probably wait for someone to release a good custom rom for my device.
I got my 2014 note 10.1 as a present but had always said it wasn't worth the extra as it wasn't that much better than my n8010. That was before but now I'm changing my mind, I think it is alot better.
Still might ditch them both just to get a galaxy tab S........

My biggest problem is the notification window (when u pull down)
its so freaking big n ugly
anyway does anyone knows when nordic countries will get it?

well, i do want to go back to jelly bean 4.1.2
because its very easy to use by 2 thumbs only
so plz tell me...
does i need to root my tab to use mobile odin?
or just install mobile odin and install firmware through it...???
any possible problems which can occur?
i dont care about boot loader i just need clean os
just like before...
thanks in advanced
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Edris89 said:
anyway does anyone knows when nordic countries will get it?
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Waiting the same =) samsung doesnt really release any plans what so ever...
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amitsharma.atc said:
well, i do want to go back to jelly bean 4.1.2
because its very easy to use by 2 thumbs only
so plz tell me...
does i need to root my tab to use mobile odin?
or just install mobile odin and install firmware through it...???
any possible problems which can occur?
i dont care about boot loader i just need clean os
just like before...
thanks in advanced
Sent from my GT-N7100 using Tapatalk 2
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Help about it its just a crap

I updated to Kitkat but went back to 4.1.2. I have no plans of updating anymore. N8000 Kitkat is bad.
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please provide step by step detail through mobile odin
i hv unrooted indian galaxy note tab
thanks in advanced
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tuktukscotty said:
I've been waiting and waiting for kitkat but as I have N8010 is gonna be a long time yet I guess......
I wanted to try gnarbo rom but I don't want the phone stuff as I have no need for them.
I'll just have to wait for the official kitkat for my tablet, but then am still unsure whether I'll update as I want the goodies of what my 2014 has so will probably wait for someone to release a good custom rom for my device.
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I'm in the same situation... But I think I will update first to the stock 4.4.2 (whenever that happens) and only after I'll put some custom rom... The "problem" is that I use SPen a lot (that was the reason to buy this tablet), so support for the samsung framework is essencial in whatever rom I'll end up installing...

I have no plan to update Note 10.1 Classic to 4.4.x so I can keep using flash player.
If I want 4.4.x, I just buy Tab Pro 10.1 or use Note 8 (updated to 4.4.x).

I suppose that we should give it some time until it get's really usable. As far as I remember there was a mod or something to remove the ugly and uselesss bottom 3 button bar and restore more or less the 4.1.2 look? Might be mistaken, though....
Anyone actually tried the cracked Phone Screen Sharing program? Does it work on KitKat?
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