If I understand correctly we will void our warranty if we root our 32GB Moto X. The owners of the developers model is excempt to this rule. I believe from everything I have read that the software and hardware with these phones are identical. My question is how do you feel about not having the ability to root without losing warranty. I can see reasons both ways good and bad but color difference and a logo that says Developers Eddition should not change things for identical phones in my oppinion.
Interested in seeing what others think and maybe someone has asked Motorola about this?
If you root as long as you return to stock you're not voided for warranty service, it's unloving your boatloader that your talking about, if you unlock that then yes for sure it voids your warranty.
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If you root as long as you return to stock you're not voided for warranty service, it's unloving your boatloader that your talking about, if you unlock that then yes for sure it voids your warranty.
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Thanks for that, I thought rooting was the problem. I guess I have always unlocked the bootloader and rooted my previous android devices in the same step and just didn't realize the differnce. So the people with developers phones can unlock their bootloaders but I can't. Do you know why Motorola would cover one and not the other?
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Do you know why Motorola would cover one and not the other?
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Motorola needs reason why DE more expensive:laugh:
Sorry for asking here, but do you know how to remove unlocked bootloader warning during start up (just have got e-mail with bootloader unlock code for DE, but worry about reselling it in future)
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Motorola needs reason why DE more expensive:laugh:
Sorry for asking here, but do you know how to remove unlocked bootloader warning during start up (just have got e-mail with bootloader unlock code for DE, but worry about reselling it in future)
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Simply flash a replacement logo.bin file from the themes section.
Screw Motorola. I am going to unlock mine. When is the last time you had to do a warranty claim on a phone? I wonder if unlocking also cancels the $85 protection plan for those who bought it?
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Screw Motorola. I am going to unlock mine. When is the last time you had to do a warranty claim on a phone? I wonder if unlocking also cancels the $85 protection plan for those who bought it?
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It does.
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At this point I don't have a need to unlock and root. That said I will probably do it anyway. More than likely after the year warranty is up. For now I'm fine with it.
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If you have a hardware defect, not always root would mean your warranty 100% voided. I don't know about Motorola, but I had my HTC replaced without any issues before
I always test out the phone for a good week or so before unlocking. Just in case there are any problems.
But, as the previous poster said, unlocking shouldn't prevent them from fixing obvious hardware issues like broken speakers or something else that's a hardware failure.
Read their terms, if you unlock bootloader your warranty is void period. They warn you when you ask for the unlock code, the only exception is DE devices. You have to agree to their terms to get the code. I unlocked mine but it's a DE, I exchanged my custom T Mobile X for the DE during the first Cyber Monday deal.
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Thanks for that, I thought rooting was the problem. I guess I have always unlocked the bootloader and rooted my previous android devices in the same step and just didn't realize the difference. So the people with developers phones can unlock their bootloaders but I can't. Do you know why Motorola would cover one and not the other?
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Think about it this way:
Unlocking your bootloader means you can do all sorts of stuff with ur phone's firmware making it very easy to change the way it works and/or brick it and many people do.
Now if unlocking ur bootloader doesn't void ur warranty, then u would have the right to get support and/or get ur phone repaired under warranty in case u mess it up and/or get it bricked. Now put urself in Motorola's shoes, would you be willing to provide support for your customers because they decided to mess up their phone? No. Warranty only covers manufacturing defects, not defects caused by the user such as physically damaging the phone or unlocking the bootloader and messing with the phone's firmware. Unlocking your phone's bootloader will make it very easy to mess up ur phone making the number of people who would have a messed up phone high and Motorola would need more resources to be able to manage and provide support for such a high number of people.
Now in order to keep customers happy, they allowed Dev Edition owners to unlock their bootloader and keep their warranty as a compromise solution. Why? First of all, the Dev Edition is more expensive, which means the number of people that are going to buy it is going to be less. A lower number of people is easier to manage when having to repair or replace phones damaged because of an unlocked bootloader. Moreover, people who are likely to buy a Dev Edition phone would be experienced devs who are less likely to damage their phone because of an unlocked bootloader or who would know how to fix it if they damage it without having to bother Motorola customer support. Again, this narrows down the number to even less.
I hope this explains it, it's all about limiting the number of people who can claim a warranty because of unlocked bootloader to a manageable number.
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The 32GB Developer Edition phone is the exact same price as Moto Maker T-Mobile off contract 32GB, both are $549.99. It is ridiculous that Motorola threaten to void the warranty because the phone is a different color. The T-Mobile edition "off contract" phone has nothing to do with T-Mobile other than being able to get 1700 AWS. T-Mobile does not have anything to do with the sale of the phone and their website makes no mention of the Moto X anywhere.
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The 32GB Developer Edition phone is the exact same price as Moto Maker T-Mobile off contract 32GB, both are $549.99. It is ridiculous that Motorola threaten to void the warranty because the phone is a different color. The T-Mobile edition "off contract" phone has nothing to do with T-Mobile other than being able to get 1700 AWS. T-Mobile does not have anything to do with the sale of the phone and their website makes no mention of the Moto X anywhere.
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Again, it's all down to reducing the number of people that can unlock without voiding the warranty making it easier for them to manage it. It has nothing to do with the phone model or the color of its cover.
Even if they are the exact same phone with the exact same price and the only difference being the color of the cover, lacking color options makes it inconvenient for some people. This means that less people will buy it reducing the number of people who claim a warranty because of a problem related to unlocking the bootloader to a manageable one.
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... It has nothing to do with ... the color of its cover.
...the only difference being the color of the cover, lacking color options makes it inconvenient for some people.
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Seems like it's all about the color to me.
Thank you guys for all the feedback. I see the points for and against the idea. If I could pick I would rather have them do it like most Samsungs I have had. I was able to root and unlock, use the phone and then restore to original without Samsung ever interfering. I know that if my phone crashed while the bottloader was unlocked then it was on me but I always felt I could recover from most anything thrown at me with the help of xda and google search engines. The way Motorola wants to do it is just void your warranty for unlocking bootloader period. I would be willing to unlock and root if I could do it without Motorola's help and would take the chance that if I bricked it then that was on me.
Either way I love my Moto X and really do not feel the need to root like I did with Samsung and all the junk they install on the phones. Everything that came on the Moto X is fine with me but I did buy a no contract unsubsidized off contract phone so I feel that should give me some room to use my equipment the way I wish but still have a degree of protection from failed hardware that has nothing to do with rooting, should that ocur.
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Thank you guys for all the feedback. I see the points for and against the idea. If I could pick I would rather have them do it like most Samsungs I have had. I was able to root and unlock, use the phone and then restore to original without Samsung ever interfering. I know that if my phone crashed while the bottloader was unlocked then it was on me but I always felt I could recover from most anything thrown at me with the help of xda and google search engines. The way Motorola wants to do it is just void your warranty for unlocking bootloader period. I would be willing to unlock and root if I could do it without Motorola's help and would take the chance that if I bricked it then that was on me.
Either way I love my Moto X and really do not feel the need to root like I did with Samsung and all the junk they install on the phones. Everything that came on the Moto X is fine with me but I did buy a no contract unsubsidized off contract phone so I feel that should give me some room to use my equipment the way I wish but still have a degree of protection from failed hardware that has nothing to do with rooting, should that ocur.
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Does Samsung allow unlocking their bootloaders officially?
I would really like to find someone who has successfully done a warranty claim on an unlocked motomaker XT1053. I returned mine after it was unlocked but that was a return, not a warranty claim. I'm on moto x no3 right now for various reasons. First I returned because it was the only way they would honor the price change since I ordered a few hours before the announcement of the cyber deals on that same day. They couldn't cancel building the phone after only a couple hours. They made it right with a coupon and allowed me to return it. I'm regretting saving that money because now its all headache. I got the same color, etc phone after for the cyber monday price... and it came with corrupt flash or something else hardware related. Phone would not successfully boot, even after flashing stock firmware. They did an advanced replacement and now I'm on device no. 3. Thought the phone was perfect, but they put a big nick right by the silver keys of the phone. They really are sloppy when they make these things. I called them and they put a note on my account that I could get a replacement at anytime... indefinitely because of that, but I'm sure it will be voided if I were to unlock the phone. I'm trying to just live with the blemish, but I'm OCD with my devices. Even exchanging to save money, I probably have spent at least $100 on cases and screen protectors.
Is there anyone out there that has successfully done a NON SOFTWARE related warranty claim on an unlocked non-dev (T-Mobile) Moto X?
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I'm definitely going to re-read these terms. Insurance, in which I pay a deductible to replace the device, is not the same as a free replacement due to a factory defect. And if unlocking the bootloader negates my paid insurance... well that's a pretty dirty business practice. It also doesn't seem very enforceable, as I could just drop my phone from a very high distance and successfully file a claim... Let us double check the fine print.
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Seems like it's all about the color to me.
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That's racist!
I noticed that Motorola updated the language regarding the T-Mobile - no contract Moto X on the Moto Maker site yesterday. What just used to show the T-Mobile logo and "No Contract" when selecting a T-Mobile Moto X, now reads: "GSM Unlocked" in Large font with the T-Mobile logo reduced to a smaller type face. It also says: "Comes with T-Mobile SIM. Use with AT&T and T-Mobile 4G LTE, and Global HSPA"
In the updated Moto X FAQs, T-Mobile is not mentioned as a carrier, the phone is now simply referred to as the "GSM Unlocked" model.
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/97692/action/auth
I hope this more un-carrier distinction will have Motorola reconsidering making the XT1053 'GSM Unlocked' model (formally known as the 'T-Mobile - No Contract' model) have the same warranty as the XT1053 Developer Edition, since there is no carrier involvement in either.
Also relating to 'no contract' Motorola phones was a comment made by Motorola CEO Dennis Woodside in his interview with MKBHD last week. When talking about the Cyber Monday sale, Dennis said: "...we learned alot. There's clearly demand for devices that are not tied to a contract, at prices that are reasonable, and I think were gonna listen hard to that, to what the consumer told us on Monday and on Wednesday....". Dennis later goes onto to mention that AT&T was just releasing new wireless plans which include "Bring Your Own Phone" discounts; this is probably the reason for the more generic "GSM Unlocked" moniker been given to the XT1053, since Motorola plan to now market this model to AT&T BYOP customers as well as T-Mobile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpqBNn_BfKE&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUBJycsmduvYEL83R_U4JriQ#t=133
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For those of us who ordered the Nexus One on the day it was released (January 5, 2010), we're coming up on one year, which is the period of the original warranty (see http://static.googleusercontent.com...e.com/en/us/googlephone/nexusone-warranty.pdf).
So, if you haven't unlocked your bootloader yet because you didn't want to void the warranty, you may as well do it on January 5th, because your warranty expires then anyway
LOL @ waiting a year to unlock your phone that is specifically distinguished by being unlocked.
Hey, my phone's bootloader is still unlocked you know.
HTC replaced my N1 under warranty, even though I unlocked the bootloader the day I got it. Why wait 1 year to unlock the phone's true potential?
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HTC replaced my N1 under warranty, even though I unlocked the bootloader the day I got it. Why wait 1 year to unlock the phone's true potential?
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My bootloader is locked and I have access to the full potential of my phone...just 10 minutes longer; the time needed to input the adb commands
I'm not willing to unlock my bootloader since my warranty is for a year (bought mine in september this year) and it's covered by my carrier, not by HTC...they will totally refuse any phone that has been unlocked, but won't care if it has been rooted or so (they are too noob to notice anyways )
Time sure does fly when your having fun on XDA. Still able to do everything I need with it locked
I bought mine in May and originally unlocked the bootloader... I highly recommend NOT doing so.
For one, its pointless. You can root and install custom bootloaders/kernels/roms without unlocking the bootloader
Second, you can't go back.
Third, you'll have a huge ugly unlock icon on every boot-up.
Fourth, you can't go back.
Fifth, you'll have a huge ugly unlock icon on every boot-up.
Nuff said.
I did a warranty swap for mine and luckily got a replacement that I am keeping locked (bad headset jack btw).
There is no reason to go back, and the unlock icon looks fine. What a bunch if stupid ass excuses that make zero sense.
Actually I'm not keen on the padlock, and do get tempted to lock mine back up every so often. Functionality wins though.
Mine was shipped January 7th, so the end of my primary warranty is imminent too. And I got two warranty swaps out of it, too.
It turns out I have an extra year of coverage though - yay MBNA Platinum Plus card! But I will have to figure out what is the routine for making use of this coverage. I suspect that device swaps will be out of the question; I'd probably have to send it in for repair and then submit the bill to the insurer.
Another potential snag - I think that in the fine print, to invoke my extended warranty it has to be something that would have been covered under the original warranty. So if I were to unlock the bootloader, and the insurer were to ask HTC, they might get an answer that the original warranty didn't cover my situation.
Mine was unlocked on launch day the moment I got it
The unlock icon is far from ugly, it's a nerd badge of honor.
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Third, you'll have a huge ugly unlock icon on every boot-up.
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Wear it with pride!
Never unlocked it, and I never will. No reason for that.
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Never unlocked it, and I never will. No reason for that.
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Flashing unreleased versions of Android was a huge plus for me!
mortzz said:
Mine was unlocked on launch day the moment I got it
The unlock icon is far from ugly, it's a nerd badge of honor.
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+1 to that guy!
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Flashing unreleased versions of Android was a huge plus for me!
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Oh, if your bootloader isnt Unlocked, cant you flash unreleased versions of android, ie upcoming gingerbread?
If i unlocked mine now, would i have to wipe and reflash my current Rom?
I unlocked mine few days after buying mine in February. I just sent mine in a few weeks ago for dust under screen and got a replacement.
They won't reject the phones because they are unlocked. They will however, I believe; reject them if they are still rooted after you send them off to HTC repair center.
I do agree with not unlocking the phone since we have the one click root method.
Can anyone give me 5 reasons why unlocking the bootloader should be done? I rooted my phone and can do pretty much everything I think that is needed.
I'm interested to know what else is being missed out on (I'm not being sarcastic, I'm honestly interested!)
The most valid reason: safer flashing of the radio.
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They won't reject the phones because they are unlocked. They will however, I believe; reject them if they are still rooted after you send them off to HTC repair center.
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Nope, I sent mine to HTC Repair Center with CM6.1 on it. They sent me a fresh replacement, no additional charges for unlocked bootloader/3rd party ROM/misc scratches/etc...
My Moto X pure's charging pins broke on my phone. Literally $440 down the drain, and there's nothing to do but buy another one, but what the hell do I do with this thing? my warranty is voided because I unlocked my bootloader (Thanks Motorola, thanks.) and every year there is a new problem with a smartphone I buy. I literally buy a phone every year because something stupid happens to the ones I buy. My Find 7a? Screen cracked, and there is literally no such thing as a how to guide to replace the screen. My Mate 2? 100% garbage phone that I sold to my friend, which was stolen from him. The only thing I have left is this garbage iPhone 5 that is more of a burden that it is a benefit. I've been contemplating to just say screw it and buy an iPhone 6/6s, but I would rather use a Nokia n900 than to touch one of those normie devices. I've been thinking of buying one of those Meizu phones but support and root instructions for those things is nearly impossible to find. Right now I am super pissed off and I need my phone to continue with my work. I cant even swap sd cards to my iPhone 5 because its a CDMA abortion model and wont work with my metro PCS sim. I have literally little to no money right now, and there isn't a phone out there that can compete with this thing. Samsung? Garbage. Huawei? Shady. HTC? dead on arrival. Apple? Next. If there is anything I can do I would greatly appreciate the options.
First, make sure the charging problems is because of the phone, not the cord or the power supply. If it is the phone here's some ideas:
-Try the warranty. Even though the bootloader's unlocked, being that it's a hardware problem, they might still fix it. Doesn't hurt to try
-If you can't use the warranty, pay to get it fixed
-If you're buying a new phone but don't have money, some companies allow you to pay over some time, like 6 months
-Huawei isn't shady
-Sell the phone. Someone may buy it to repair it. But you'll be losing by doing this and not getting it repaired yourself, as I doubt it'll sell for much.
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First, make sure the charging problems is because of the phone, not the cord or the power supply. If it is the phone here's some ideas:
-Try the warranty. Even though the bootloader's unlocked, being that it's a hardware problem, they might still fix it. Doesn't hurt to try
-If you can't use the warranty, pay to get it fixed
-If you're buying a new phone but don't have money, some companies allow you to pay over some time, like 6 months
-Huawei isn't shady
-Sell the phone. Someone may buy it to repair it. But you'll be losing by doing this and not getting it repaired yourself, as I doubt it'll sell for much.
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-Currently I am at the Repair & Return page on the Motorola site, and they are asking for $111 for a repair. There is no mention of the warranty, other than the "My Device" site where it stated my warranty wont end until October 2016.
-I believe those companies are carrier companies. Carrier locked, bloated devices that aren't factory unlocked.
-Huawei did some dodgy things when it came to the Mate 2 getting its Lollipop update, and same with the mate 7. Currently the HAM 2 is still a burden to use.
I am planning to sell the phone for a good 300, along with the find 7 for a 300/250 price tag. With that money I could get a whole new phone, probably the Meizu Pro 5 or Mate 8, but, of course, there is Abosolutely no support for the Pro 5, and the Mate 8 is like $800. Probably might get the Oppo R7 Plus, its the holy grail of Phablets imo.
EDIT: How much do you think the X Pure would sell for in its current state? Nothing else (Literally nothing) is wrong with the phone, its on Marshmallow and its rooted.
Delta65 said:
-Currently I am at the Repair & Return page on the Motorola site, and they are asking for $111 for a repair. There is no mention of the warranty, other than the "My Device" site where it stated my warranty wont end until October 2016.
-I believe those companies are carrier companies. Carrier locked, bloated devices that aren't factory unlocked.
-Huawei did some dodgy things when it came to the Mate 2 getting its Lollipop update, and same with the mate 7. Currently the HAM 2 is still a burden to use.
I am planning to sell the phone for a good 300, along with the find 7 for a 300/250 price tag. With that money I could get a whole new phone, probably the Meizu Pro 5 or Mate 8, but, of course, there is Abosolutely no support for the Pro 5, and the Mate 8 is like $800. Probably might get the Oppo R7 Plus, its the holy grail of Phablets imo.
EDIT: How much do you think the X Pure would sell for in its current state? Nothing else (Literally nothing) is wrong with the phone, its on Marshmallow and its rooted.
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The repair and return page might be talking about damage where your at fault, like a broken screen. Contact Motorola and tell them your problem. Don't mention that it's unlocked. The most you'll lose is the money spent on postage if they don't fix it because of the bootloader.
Some large retailers allow you to pay over 6 months for any purchases over a certain amount. You'll need to check what there is in your country.
I'm not sure how much it'll sell for, but keep in mind, some people aren't gonna pay too much for a phone which they can only assume that the seller is trustworthy and there's no other problems
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The repair and return page might be talking about damage where your at fault, like a broken screen. Contact Motorola and tell them your problem. Don't mention that it's unlocked. The most you'll lose is the money spent on postage if they don't fix it because of the bootloader.
Some large retailers allow you to pay over 6 months for any purchases over a certain amount. You'll need to check what there is in your country.
I'm not sure how much it'll sell for, but keep in mind, some people aren't gonna pay too much for a phone which they can only assume that the seller is trustworthy and there's no other problems
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Wont Motorola instantly send the phone back to me once they realize it is factory unlocked?
And Retailers meaning Sony, Huawei, etc? I live in the US, could you tell me some retailers that have that option available?
And I was thinking on selling the phone to one of my friends, not online or anything like that.
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Wont Motorola instantly send the phone back to me once they realize it is factory unlocked?
And Retailers meaning Sony, Huawei, etc? I live in the US, could you tell me some retailers that have that option available?
And I was thinking on selling the phone to one of my friends, not online or anything like that.
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If it's clearly a hardware problem, they MIGHT fix it. Can't say for sure, but there's a chance.
I don't live in America, but this is what we have in Australia https://www.kogan.com/au/interest-free/ . Good Guys also do it for some items.
I'm sure there must be some stores in America that do it.
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Hi All,
Can anyone help me here.
I had a Moto X Force, which has had it's bootloader unlocked.
I relocked it, but the "tamper" message in the bootloader was still present.
My Moto X Force was faced with the dreaded "GREEN LINE" hardware fault.
I had returned it for a screen repair, only to be told by Moto that my Warranty is VOID because of the unlocked bootloader.
They are now asking for £14.40 for the return of my item.
I have emailed them asking for a call back as it is a manufacture defect, nothing related to the software or bootloader.
At a lost here, even resorted to tweeting their Moto UK twitter account.
Any advice will be grateful.
Never buying anything but a Nexus device in the future.
UPDATE: Latest response from Motorola.
Thank you for contacting Motorola.
In addition to my colleague's previous e-mail, I would like to inform you that rooting might cause the device to stop working, disable important features and functionality, and even make the device unsafe to the point of causing you harm. Neither Motorola, nor your wireless carrier or retailer from whom you purchased the device, will be responsible for such damage. Once your phone is rooted, your device is no longer covered by the Motorola warranty, even if they appear unrelated to rooting the phone. You can find the warranty terms as a little foldable card in the box of your phone, or on our website.
I apologise that we can not help you any further regarding a repair.
I am now using resolver.co.uk to help me deal with this complaint.
Final Update - Sorted!
Motorola sent me an X code and I was able to create a new order on their website.
khan1989 said:
Hi All,
Can anyone help me here.
I had a Moto X Force, which has had it's bootloader unlocked.
I relocked it, but the "tamper" message in the bootloader was still present.
My Moto X Force was faced with the dreaded "GREEN LINE" hardware fault.
I had returned it for a screen repair, only to be told by Moto that my Warranty is VOID because of the unlocked bootloader.
They are now asking for £14.40 for the return of my item.
I have emailed them asking for a call back as it is a manufacture defect, nothing related to the software or bootloader.
At a lost here, even resorted to tweeting their Moto UK twitter account.
Any advice will be grateful.
Never buying anything but a Nexus device in the future.
UPDATE: Latest response from Motorola.
Thank you for contacting Motorola.
In addition to my colleague's previous e-mail, I would like to inform you that rooting might cause the device to stop working, disable important features and functionality, and even make the device unsafe to the point of causing you harm. Neither Motorola, nor your wireless carrier or retailer from whom you purchased the device, will be responsible for such damage. Once your phone is rooted, your device is no longer covered by the Motorola warranty, even if they appear unrelated to rooting the phone. You can find the warranty terms as a little foldable card in the box of your phone, or on our website.
I apologise that we can not help you any further regarding a repair.
I am now using resolver.co.uk to help me deal with this complaint.
I will keep this thread updated.
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pay the money to get your phone back, then open a dispute with your credit card company.
Have you checked this out?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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pay the money to get your phone back, then open a dispute with your credit card company.
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I didn't buy it with a credit card, I bought the phone outright with my debit card.
I don't want to pay, as I feel no one will ever fix the phone. It is still faulty.
TycerX said:
Have you checked this out?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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Thanks for this. I read something similar from this reddit post, but nice to read a thread on xda.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/2r8nqa/phones_with_warranty_friendly_rootbootloader/
In EU rooted phones do not loose vendors' warranty, but it is hard to enforce. You have been warned.
I'm about to go through exactly the same thing. Facing the green line issue as well (UK)
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I'm about to go through exactly the same thing. Facing the green line issue as well (UK)
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Did you unlock your bootloader? There's tools for moto style / pure to hide the tamper logo but none for the force yet. Hardly any development on this as the US cousin droid turbo 2's bootloader cannot be unlocked.
If you return this phone with your bootloader unlocked, they WILL void your warranty, relocking it isn't good enough.
I will keep this post updated with my experience, if I manage to get Motorola to honour their warranty I'm sure you would be able to.
Good luck.
I have also had issues with hardware and warranty. I bought an x force brand new and boxed from ebay only to find it would not recognise any sd card i put in it. I opened a request to return for repair under warranty but i made clear to them thai did not have a retail receipt but rather an invoice from the person i bought the phone. They got back to me a day later to inform me that warranty repair was not covered because i did not buy it in a shop and the shop or officialy recognised retailer reciept is all they would recognise. I have decided to keep the phone as is with 32gb storage. I do not use alot of storage and 32gb is ample for me but i am pissed at lenovo attitude because the phone is in warranty regardless of how i bought it. I just pray i dont get this green line situation that some people have been having as i will have to just suck it up and live with that also.
Companies have to realise they can't make up their own laws lol. You are in the right so keep up the fight!
Good news, they have offered to send me a brand new replacement, I will update everyone with the details as soon as it's confirmed! (don't want to rock the boat!)
So after an angry reply from me
This is utter nonsense, why was I not told this before sending the phone out.
My "retailer" is the Motorola store as I bough it directly from your site.
The fault on the phone is wide spread across these devices and well
documented online.
For your support team to not honour the warranty on a pre-existing fault on
such an expensive device is absolutely absurd.
I am familiar with the warranty terms, however I am also aware of my
statutory rights.
I will be seeking counsel as I believe I am being treated unfairly for
a manufacturer defect.
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I received a response from them the next day.
I will have to check this matter with the relevant department in order to check if there is still something that we can do for you, however I can not promise anything yet.
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That was on a Friday. The following week Monday I received my good news.
Thank you for your patience.
I am happy to inform you that the decision has been made to provide you with a replacement phone. We will send your Motorola phone to our repair centre in Germany so that an X-code can be created. With the X-code you can create your phone via our MotoMaker builder.
Please let us know if you wish to proceed.
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2 Weeks later, and I was issued with an "X" Code which I could use to redesign my phone (chose the back colour to be Black over Red this time, as the Red gets dirty easily).
Ordered it immediately, and today I have received my new phone.
I was without my phone for 40 days, the issue had developed earlier, but I was unable to return it at that time.
Sufficed to say, I will not be rooting my phone this time round, with the hope that they will honour their 4 year warranty on this "shatterproof" screen if it ever gets damaged.
This will be my last ever Motorola phone, as this entire ordeal was just tiresome, I will be sticking to the Nexus range from now on.
TycerX said:
Have you checked this out?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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Thanks again TycerX for pointing out that thread, it really helped.
khan1989 said:
Did you unlock your bootloader? There's tools for moto style / pure to hide the tamper logo but none for the force yet. Hardly any development on this as the US cousin droid turbo 2's bootloader cannot be unlocked.
If you return this phone with your bootloader unlocked, they WILL void your warranty, relocking it isn't good enough.
I will keep this post updated with my experience, if I manage to get Motorola to honour their warranty I'm sure you would be able to.
Good luck.
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I relocked the boot loader, and got it back to unmodified software status, and I managed to hide the tamper flag on the logo, however I assume the tamper flag is still buried in the phone somewhere. It's currently in 'awaiting component' status so I assume they're replacing the display rather than sending a new one.
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I relocked the boot loader, and got it back to unmodified software status, and I managed to hide the tamper flag on the logo, however I assume the tamper flag is still buried in the phone somewhere. It's currently in 'awaiting component' status so I assume they're replacing the display rather than sending a new one.
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How did you get the "unmodified software status" with a custom boot logo?
As soon as I flashed back the normal boot logo, it changed my software status to unmodified again.
khan1989 said:
How did you get the "unmodified software status" with a custom boot logo?
As soon as I flashed back the normal boot logo, it changed my software status to unmodified again.
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It was a right pain in the ass. I first had to re-unlock the bootloader, flash down to 5.1.1 to get unmodified software status, then update via ota to get back to 6 and keep the software status, then reflash 6 while relocking the boot loader (apparently the 5.1.1 software I had wasn't signed or something idk), and then flash the logo. I rebooted the boot loader and phone a few times to triple check and it all looked normal!
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It was a right pain in the ass. I first had to re-unlock the bootloader, flash down to 5.1.1 to get unmodified software status, then update via ota to get back to 6 and keep the software status, then reflash 6 while relocking the boot loader (apparently the 5.1.1 software I had wasn't signed or something idk), and then flash the logo. I rebooted the boot loader and phone a few times to triple check and it all looked normal!
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Wow, that could work, as I was sent images of the bootloader highlighting the "modified" status from Motorola who received it from the phone repair company.
Well I was told immediately by Motorola that my phone was voided and they sent me an invoice to pay for handling fees, so it seems like your's has gone through.
Good luck :good:
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Wow, that could work, as I was sent images of the bootloader highlighting the "modified" status from Motorola who received it from the phone repair company.
Well I was told immediately by Motorola that my phone was voided and they sent me an invoice to pay for handling fees, so it seems like your's has gone through.
Good luck :good:
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Thanks! Interesting that they decided to replace rather than repair yours though... I wonder if that was to get it back to unmodified status for any future repairs or something.
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Thanks! Interesting that they decided to replace rather than repair yours though... I wonder if that was to get it back to unmodified status for any future repairs or something.
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I'm sure it was because I complained and had a pending case with resolver at the time.
Not sure if you have had your iasue sorted, but I was told to send my phone to SBE and it said awaiting component for about 3 weeks. Just this last week i contacted Motorala for an update and within a day they sent me an X code to get a new phone and scrapped my old phone.
I had recently rooted my moto g5 plus and due to battery issues had to relock the bootloader before taking it to the service center.
After examining the device, the service center asked me if it was rooted earlier to which I replied Yes and then they told me that the device has void its warranty since the device was rooted.
Now that I had relocked the bootloader, can I not claim the device warranty now?
Please show me a direction here.
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I had recently rooted my moto g5 plus and due to battery issues had to relock the bootloader before taking it to the service center.
After examining the device, the service center asked me if it was rooted earlier to which I replied Yes and then they told me that the device has void its warranty since the device was rooted.
Now that I had relocked the bootloader, can I not claim the device warranty now?
Please show me a direction here.
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I don't think you can get your warranty back. Some say that once you issue an unlock code, your warranty gets void even if you use the code to unlock bootloader or not. I do hope that you get your warranty back and get your phone fixed. Anyways, you could've just told them that it wasn't rooted
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I don't think you can get your warranty back. Some say that once you issue an unlock code, your warranty gets void even if you use the code to unlock bootloader or not. I do hope that you get your warranty back and get your phone fixed. Anyways, you could've just told them that it wasn't rooted
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My bad, I couldn't lie it to them coz they had evidence that the bootloader was unlocked earlier.
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My bad, I couldn't lie it to them coz they had evidence that the bootloader was unlocked earlier.
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Was it locked when you gave the phone to them?
I remember I had a Moto E2 which was running a custom ROM and the phone was in warranty and when it's speaker started going bonkers, I just flashed the fastboot ROM and locked the bootloader (I think so) and took it to service center and they fixed it for free. Actually, the speaker grill had accumulated some dust and that was interfering with the sound output so they opened the phone and cleaned the speaker.
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Was it locked when you gave the phone to them?
I remember I had a Moto E2 which was running a custom ROM and the phone was in warranty and when it's speaker started going bonkers, I just flashed the fastboot ROM and locked the bootloader (I think so) and took it to service center and they fixed it for free. Actually, the speaker grill had accumulated some dust and that was interfering with the sound output so they opened the phone and cleaned the speaker.
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Yes relocked it last night and flashed the stock fastboot images as well.
First they did the same in the holy name of software update and then finally giving up to the final conclusion that the battery needed replacement. I left the mobile with them until they told me on call that they'll be charging Rs 1500 for the replacement since the device was rooted. Sometimes even I think that had I lied to them, they might had considered replacing it at no extra cost.
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Yes relocked it last night and flashed the stock fastboot images as well.
First they did the same in the holy name of software update and then finally giving up to the final conclusion that the battery needed replacement. I left the mobile with them until they told me on call that they'll be charging Rs 1500 for the replacement since the device was rooted. Sometimes even I think that had I lied to them, they might had considered replacing it at no extra cost.
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I wonder what would changing the battery has to do with a fault on the screen?
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I wonder what would changing the battery has to do with a fault on the screen?
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It's actually a battery issue
I don't think you understand... you VOLUNTARILY gave up your warranty when the unlock code was issued, regardless of whether you actually unlocked the bootloader or not. You cannot "get your warranty back" in any way. Did you not read ANY of the multiple warnings when you unlocked your phone, it is presented very clearly at least 3 times before you actually commit to getting the code.
It depends on the country you live in. A company can't get you to accept something like that and make you give up a right given to you by law. Check your local consumer laws, you might still be able to get it fixed under warranty.
I know that in the EU, Australia, New Zealand etc a company cannot waive the rights of a user under the local consumer laws by just getting you to accept some stupid disclaimer.
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It depends on the country you live in. A company can't get you to accept something like that and make you give up a right given to you by law. Check your local consumer laws, you might still be able to get it fixed under warranty.
I know that in the EU, Australia, New Zealand etc a company cannot waive the rights of a user under the local consumer laws by just getting you to accept some stupid disclaimer.
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Most EU countries that is partially true, depending on your country, I will elaborate in a second... I was unaware there were similar laws in Australia or New Zealand...
The situation is quite complicated, at least in Germany, but most likely this applies to most EU countries. There are two different types of warranty. First, the manufacturer warranty / express warranty (Garantie), which is entirely voluntary and the manufacturer dictates its terms. Second, there is the implied warranty (Gewährleistung), which is regulated by law and exercised by the seller.
Under express warranty, manufacturers can decline any repairs easily because of unlocking, and they do that of course. However, under implied warranty, that isn't easily possible. In Germany, in the first 6 months after you buy the device, the seller has to prove that a fault is your own doing. Which is really hard, so you should be good to go even with unlocked bootloader. After the first 6 months, it is the opposite, you have to prove that a defect wasn't caused by you, which is again, really hard.
So in the first 6 months after you've bought the phone you should be fine, but after that, it will be problematic to say the least. Again, this is true for Germany, it might be a bit different in other EU countries.
There are any number of discussions on this topic on Reddit, Lenovo's Official Forums, here and other forums, and although some people seem to get around the Motorola/Lenovo statements, the vast majority don't, even in countries with laws to subjugate this practice. A little Googling will confirm that. Whatever Moto, and other manufacturers with similar policies are doing, in general they are not honoring warranties after bootloader unlocking.
The reality is a lot worse than the pretty picture the politicians give us about the laws that supposedly protect consumers.
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I had recently rooted my moto g5 plus and due to battery issues had to relock the bootloader before taking it to the service center.
After examining the device, the service center asked me if it was rooted earlier to which I replied Yes and then they told me that the device has void its warranty since the device was rooted.
Now that I had relocked the bootloader, can I not claim the device warranty now?
Please show me a direction here.
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Once you unlock the bootloader, your warranty is void. It doesn't matter if you relock it. Because you have to request an unlock code from Motorola, that big long agreement you have to accept when you request the code basically tells you that you're voiding your warranty the moment you click "accept", whether you actually use the code and unlock the bootloader or not. Just asking for the code is all it takes.
That's something you need to come to terms with if you're going to use custom ROMs, or root your device. I always wait a month or two to make sure my phone doesn't have any defects before I mess with ROMs, and I research devices before buying them to see what kind of issues they may be prone to in the first 12 months.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, bud.
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from the unlock code page https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-b :
As used in this Legal Agreement and Warning, the term "Unlocked Device" means a Device for which an Unlock Code has been obtained, regardless of whether such Device's bootloader has actually been unlocked, relocked or whether such Device's software or operating system has been modified or whether it's original, unmodified software or operating system has been reloaded. In other words, once a Device's Unlock Code has been released by Motorola to User, the Device shall thereafter, for all intents and purposes, be deemed to be an Unlocked Device, irrespective of whether it was, in fact, unlocked or modified.
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(5) THE FOLLOWING APPLIES TO ALL UNLOCKED DEVICES EXCEPT FOR DEVELOPER EDITION DEVICES. BY OBTAINING THE UNLOCK CODE FOR THIS DEVICE, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER THE DEVICE'S BOOTLOADER IS SUBSEQUENTLY UNLOCKED OR ITS SOFTWARE OR OPERATING SYSTEM IS MODIFIED, USER AGREES TO WAIVE AND VOID ALL WARRANTIES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BY MOTOROLA, BOTH EXPRESS AND IMPLIED, INCLUDING ANY WRITTEN WARRANTY THAT ACCOMPANIED THE DEVICE AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE OR DELIVERY, AND AGREES THAT ANY RIGHTS OR REMEDIES PROVIDED BY SUCH A WARRANTY ARE NULL AND VOID. MOTOROLA MAKES NO WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND AND DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES OF EVERY KIND, EXPRESS, IMPLIED, OR STATUTORY, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE IN CONNECTION WITH AN UNLOCKED DEVICE. USER ACKNOWLEDGES AND AGREES THAT ALL SUCH WARRANTIES ARE HEREBY EXCLUDED AND THAT ALL UNLOCKED DEVICES ARE PROVIDED "AS IS," WITH NO WARRANTY OF ANY KIND
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I just got a used/refurb G5 Plus in the mail yesterday - it still has warranty thru 06/2018. ($145 from B&H, for the 4GB/64GB version!)
All right, time to "ROM it up!". Read unlock/root directions. get oem unlock data from fastboot, go to the motorola unlock code page:
I sat there, on the unlock code page for about 6 minutes, reading and re-reading that. I've decided not to unlock for now. It's not often that I have a phone under warranty (I've almost always had used phones, etc), so i think i will try to see how well I can get along with stock ROM for a change.
Thankfully, I see very little variance away from AOSP.
This will be a major challenge, for me, to see how long I can stay stock and unrooted. Hopefully, I can make it to the 8.0 OTA.
But, the point is - I read the stuff and took time to think and make an informed decision.
well... in my city, those service center guys are dumb, I mean really dumb;
I had some problem with my bootloader unlocked device, they just checked the bill and repaired the phone for free lol
siddhesh9146 said:
well... in my city, those service center guys are dumb, I mean really dumb;
I had some problem with my bootloader unlocked device, they just checked the bill and repaired the phone for free lol
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North America and Europe don't have "service centers"... We have to send them into corporate repair center to get fixed, there is no walk-in service, which requires an RMA be issued and we get stopped right there.
Honestly, your service center isn't helping... When they do repairs on a device like this, they later submit the repair to Moto/Lenovo for reimbursement and they don't get paid because the IMEI is flagged. Sure, you got your device fixed, but your neighbors paid for it, not Moto.
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North America and Europe don't have "service centers"... We have to send them into corporate repair center to get fixed, there is no walk-in service, which requires an RMA be issued and we get stopped right there.
Honestly, your service center isn't helping... When they do repairs on a device like this, they later submit the repair to Moto/Lenovo for reimbursement and they don't get paid because the IMEI is flagged. Sure, you got your device fixed, but your neighbors paid for it, not Moto.
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wdym by neighbors? you mean those guys in service center took the loss by this ^above???
I wanna share my sad story with you.
10 days ago by my huge mistake I've flashed Oreo SOAK zips over 7.1.1 software (with February security patch, 26.118-22-2-17)... As a result of this my phone got hard bricked (not even able to boot into bootloader).
I've sent my Moto Z Play to warranty. Authorized Polish Moto Service Center (CTDI) replaced its motherboard for free (was this hard brick that HARD that Service Center did not notice my bootloader was previously unlocked? This is more than interesting actually, but nevermind).
Today I've got my phone back and I was happy with it only for first few moments: MOTO SERCICE CENTER HAS BLOCKED ABILITY TO UNLOCK BOOTLOADER ON PHONE!
I was more than angry...
I did many phone calls to Service Center, Motorola Poland, Motorola UK, Motorola US and they escalated my case in their organizations but as two polish Moto Consultants told me that this is how their procedures in such cases look like, so bootloader in my Moto Z Play has to be forever blocked.
Anyway, I'm still waiting for a response from Moto Global/Moto US. Hope they'll keep being pro-consumer, not pro-internal-procedures being sticked to weird policy rules.
I will post more informations here once I get it.
PS. If my post here saves even 1 device from hard bricking, I AM HAPPY. Be careful, guys.
Nice heads-up.
You should be happy you got your device repaired for free.
My advice would be to sell the phone and get a new one, they're quite cheap right now.
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razorsbk said:
Nice heads-up.
You should be happy you got your device repaired for free.
My advice would be to sell the phone and get a new one, they're quite cheap right now.
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I will sell it for sure once it's 100% sure my bootloader can not be unlocked.
Unfortunately... There is no Moto Z Play on any market here in Poland anymore. Only Moto Z2 Play.
Well I bought mine from Amazon Germany and I live in South East Europe. That shouldn't be a problem with you being so close to Amazon countries. Last time it was selling for 230 euros new.
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So you voided the warranty, got a warranty replacement anyway, and now you're upset because they've prevented you from voiding the warranty again?
There's simply NO chance that you're not a millenial
Anyway, thank you for the warning. I've been wanting Oreo myself, but my Z is my primary phone so I can't risk borking it.
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So you voided the warranty, got a warranty replacement anyway, and now you're upset because they've prevented you from voiding the warranty again?
There's simply NO chance that you're not a millenial
Anyway, thank you for the warning. I've been wanting Oreo myself, but my Z is my primary phone so I can't risk borking it.
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Well, phone with a blocked bootloader has the same value as hard bricked phone for me. Sounds stupid, but Android modding is my one of main hobbies since ~2010, so I simply does not feel comfortable using device with locked bootloader.
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Well I bought mine from Amazon Germany and I live in South East Europe. That shouldn't be a problem with you being so close to Amazon countries. Last time it was selling for 230 euros new.
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There are no new cheap MZP on amazon and ebay (both uk and germany). The cheapest new MZP is still more expensive than cheapest new Moto Z2 Play with JBL Soundmod. Choice is simple...
I completely understand, Raf. Just kidding around. Used to love flashing different ROMs when I had the time for such things.
(First one was XDAndroid on an HTC Touch Pro 2!)
I've had good luck with swappa.com in the US, and I see they have an EU marketplace.
Hope you score an unlocked one soon.
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I recently had my device invalidated in software update in February, I sent the motorola and they did not cover the warranty, I do not know how much it will be for them to repair, since a new card and the value of a new phone, I'm waiting for it You were lucky they changed you.
I have the same problem and exactly the same answer of motorola.
Two devices (i think those are refurbished), and both with the "unlock data unavailable" message from bootloader.
Maybe sim unlocking can fix the data of bootloader and give a valid unlock code... i read that subsidy lock and partition that contain info about unlocking bootloader are related
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I have the same problem and exactly the same answer of motorola.
Two devices (i think those are refurbished), and both with the "unlock data unavailable" message from bootloader.
Maybe sim unlocking can fix the data of bootloader and give a valid unlock code... i read that subsidy lock and partition that contain info about unlocking bootloader are related
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But my case is kinda different. I get bootloader data for unlocking but Motorola unlock bootloader page does not recognize it.
I described my case here: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/MOTOROLA-Android-Developer/Bootloader-Unlock-Problems/m-p/4035328#M8429
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But my case is kinda different. I get bootloader data for unlocking but Motorola unlock bootloader page does not recognize it.
I described my case here: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/MOTOROLA-Android-Developer/Bootloader-Unlock-Problems/m-p/4035328#M8429
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Well, now i think that moto is blocked any software modifications in refurbished devices... Another difference is the cid number, these are cid0 while a new device, in my case, are cid50
They only said that my device need technical service, but don't support that modifications, so...
My story has a happy ending: Motorola has provided me a new unlock code for my bootloader. Big thumb up for you, Moto!
I was in a very similar situation; I bricked my device another way, but I pestered Motorola UK enough into giving me a refund for the phone. I've had enough of phones as large as the MZP, and I've now got an Honor 9.