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[Resolved] Rooted Nexus One Dust Replacement

It seems quite a few people have had questions about getting a replacement phone due to a dust issue on an original rooted phone. Here is my experience:
I called HTC and began the replacement process, but did not mention my phone was rooted. Three days later I received another Nexus One with no battery and no battery cover. My observations on the differences between the old phone and the new phone can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=655966
I removed the battery cover and battery from my original phone and shipped it to HTC in Texas with the packaging and shipping label they supplied.
Approximately 5 days later (today), I received an email from HTC saying "We have completed our diagnostic tests. To review the results and confirm this quotation please visit our service site." I went to the site and there was an option to pay a $196 service fee or to pay $28 for the return shipment of my original phone (without any servicing).
I called up HTC to find out more information. The service representative pulled up my file and immediately asked me if my phone had been rooted. I had little choice at this point so I said my phone had indeed been rooted. The representative told me my options are to:
a) Pay the $196 to replace the motherboard in the phone (does this mean Goolge/HTC also do not know how to relock the bootloader?), keep the replacement phone they sent, and not receive back my original phone. This is the worst case scenario where I pay $196 to get a brand new replacement N1 with no dust issue.
b) Pay the $28 shipping charge to return my old phone, and return the replacement phone. This would bring me back to square one, with having my original rooted phone with the same dust issue.
c) Pay the $28 shipping charge to return my old phone with the same dust issue. Now I would own two full priced N1s, one that is brand new, and a second that still has a dust issue.
Most importantly, and my only hope really for coming out on top, the representative mentioned that I should call back tomorrow before 5PM EST and speak to a supervisor that has the ability to declare that rooting the phone has no impact on the dust manufacturing issue, and I could keep the replacement phone at no charge. The representative said that there is a 50/50 chance the supervisor would do this.
If the supervisor will not honor the warranty and let me keep the replacement phone for no charge, I will just return the replacement phone, get my old phone back, disassemble the phone, clean the dust out and reseal the phone with RTV or something similar.
I will call them up again tomorrow and report back what happens.
It has been difficult to resist rooting the replacement phone.
UPDATE: Through the help of a google employee, I was pointed towards this form: http://google.com/support/android/bin/request.py?contact_type=refund
If you start a ticket with this form, the Google sales team will work to help resolve voided warranty issues from an unlocked bootloader when exchanging or servicing the N1 due to a manufacturing defect.
I called HTC today and they said I was no longer going to be charged $196 because of my unlocked bootloader, and my warranty would be honored. The representative on the phone seemed to have no idea why the ticket status had changed.
I am very pleased with the outcome, and give many thanks to the Google employees that go out of their way to support their loyal customers. It is nice to know that the passion we have for Android is acknowledged and supported by the Google team.
Time to root the new N1.

I wonder if they make a distinction between rooting and an unlocked bootloader?
Because it is possible to un-root. So for other people returning phones, they could un-root, and if they ask if it's rooted, they could say no.

Paul22000 said:
I wonder if they make a distinction between rooting and an unlocked bootloader?
Because it is possible to un-root. So for other people returning phones, they could un-root, and if they ask if it's rooted, they could say no.
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Valid point, but I think the issue is voiding the warranty by unlocking the bootloader.

How do you expect HTC to honor a warranty which you clearly and willingly voided?

JD914 said:
How do you expect HTC to honor a warranty which you clearly voided willingly?
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Welcome to XDA.
I don't necessarily expect HTC to honor my voided warranty, but I am optimistic that HTC will fix my $580 defective phone from a manufacturing defect that is in no way related to rooting.
Like the representative I spoke with said, there's about a 50/50 chance it will work out. No harm in trying.

Interesting.
I think it's kind of crappy that unlocking the bootloader voids your hardware warranty too. I mean, if your phone has an obvious physical defect like this, completely unrelated to the firmware, then they should honor the warranty.

Comon, HTC, be reasonable! There is dust under the screen and nothing else is bad! That is obviously not related to rooting in any way. $196 to replace the motherboard? Yeah right! More like press a button on the computer and relock it.

i don't know if he is still around here anymore, but swetland works for google, and when the n1 came out, he was going to be an advocate for us, and if you were having obvious manufacturing defects (such as dust under the screen), he could pull strings to get it fixed for you.
i say pm him, and see if you get a response.

GldRush98 said:
Interesting.
I think it's kind of crappy that unlocking the bootloader voids your hardware warranty too. I mean, if your phone has an obvious physical defect like this, completely unrelated to the firmware, then they should honor the warranty.
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They should but in the real world they don't have to and more than likely wont. Most people don't, but if you read the literature that comes with electronic devices you'll see why they do what they do as far as warranties go.

And this is why I keep saying repeatedly, stop sending your device back people. A few specs of dust isn't worth the hassle. Just sent it back at 364 days. THEN it's worth it.

Paul22000 said:
And this is why I keep saying repeatedly, stop sending your device back people. A few specs of dust isn't worth the hassle. Just sent it back at 364 days. THEN it's worth it.
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I had excessive dust, more than 30 specs.

irishrally said:
I had excessive dust, more than 30 specs.
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30 specs?
The only way it'd be worth it to send it back is when you have so much dust you can't even COUNT the specs.

Paul22000 said:
30 specs?
The only way it'd be worth it to send it back is when you have so much dust you can't even COUNT the specs.
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No, dust is really annoying and is frustrating to have considering the price we paid for this thing. The more HTC has to refurbish, the more they learn their lesson and make sure that no dust gets in.

OP, get back to us and let us know what happens

Good news - this issue has been resolved and will be charged nothing for my rooted phone with dust defect exchange. See OP for details.
Many thanks to the dedicated Google team that supports their loyal customers.

irishrally said:
Good news - this issue has been resolved and will be charged nothing for my rooted phone with dust defect exchange. See OP for details.
Many thanks to the dedicated Google team that supports their loyal customers.
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Congrats!
Any chance you can update the link in the OP?
It's linked as "google.com/support/android/bi...ct_type=refund" with the dots, which leads to a dead page of course

Paul22000 said:
Congrats!
Any chance you can update the link in the OP?
It's linked as "google.com/support/android/bi...ct_type=refund" with the dots, which leads to a dead page of course
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Thanks. OP updated.

JD914 said:
How do you expect HTC to honor a warranty which you clearly and willingly voided?
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Here in the US, a warranty termination because of a any fine print violation will not stand up in court unless the warranty violation had a direct impact on a defect in question. Automakers have tried that kind of bologna with aftermarket parts, and they've failed. They can't refuse to honor a warranty just because a car was serviced by others, and they can't refuse to warranty an alternator because someone put on an aftermarket exhaust system, unless they can prove that those actions had a direct impact on the defect.
This does not mean HTC is obligated to bail someone out who has bricked their phone, but hardware issues like dust under the digitizer or faulty microphones or the like clearly can't be tied to unlocking the bootloader. I expect HTC or any other company to honor the laws wherever their products are marketed, and it seems that's exactly what they are doing.
I hope this ends your confusion, and really wish more slack was allowed by some for people who unlock the boot loader and then end up with hardware issues requiring service.

attn1 said:
I hope this ends your confusion, and really wish more slack was allowed by some for people who unlock the boot loader and then end up with hardware issues requiring service.
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I hope someone figures out how to re-lock the bootloader.

I'm really suspicious about the rooting voiding your warranty. I mean you paid damn near 577 for the device..well i know I Did... Why can't you root your own ****..its known as a google dev phone if I'm wrong correct me..But isn't android open source? why can't we try and help it be a better Operating system? They want us to sit on 2.1 until google puts something out? Why not dev with our phones and help google help itself? I mean damn... I could see if you were under a contract with tmobile..but I bought my phone brand new unlocked for the full price give me some damn use of my phone..

For all owners of the T-Mobile 32GB MotoMaker phones

If I understand correctly we will void our warranty if we root our 32GB Moto X. The owners of the developers model is excempt to this rule. I believe from everything I have read that the software and hardware with these phones are identical. My question is how do you feel about not having the ability to root without losing warranty. I can see reasons both ways good and bad but color difference and a logo that says Developers Eddition should not change things for identical phones in my oppinion.
Interested in seeing what others think and maybe someone has asked Motorola about this?

If you root as long as you return to stock you're not voided for warranty service, it's unloving your boatloader that your talking about, if you unlock that then yes for sure it voids your warranty.
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charlie-n said:
If you root as long as you return to stock you're not voided for warranty service, it's unloving your boatloader that your talking about, if you unlock that then yes for sure it voids your warranty.
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Thanks for that, I thought rooting was the problem. I guess I have always unlocked the bootloader and rooted my previous android devices in the same step and just didn't realize the differnce. So the people with developers phones can unlock their bootloaders but I can't. Do you know why Motorola would cover one and not the other?

Derbyman32 said:
Do you know why Motorola would cover one and not the other?
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Motorola needs reason why DE more expensive:laugh:
Sorry for asking here, but do you know how to remove unlocked bootloader warning during start up (just have got e-mail with bootloader unlock code for DE, but worry about reselling it in future)

Vivjen said:
Motorola needs reason why DE more expensive:laugh:
Sorry for asking here, but do you know how to remove unlocked bootloader warning during start up (just have got e-mail with bootloader unlock code for DE, but worry about reselling it in future)
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Simply flash a replacement logo.bin file from the themes section.

Screw Motorola. I am going to unlock mine. When is the last time you had to do a warranty claim on a phone? I wonder if unlocking also cancels the $85 protection plan for those who bought it?
-- Sent from my Moto X on Tapatalk Pro

Cubfan99 said:
Screw Motorola. I am going to unlock mine. When is the last time you had to do a warranty claim on a phone? I wonder if unlocking also cancels the $85 protection plan for those who bought it?
-- Sent from my Moto X on Tapatalk Pro
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It does.
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At this point I don't have a need to unlock and root. That said I will probably do it anyway. More than likely after the year warranty is up. For now I'm fine with it.
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If you have a hardware defect, not always root would mean your warranty 100% voided. I don't know about Motorola, but I had my HTC replaced without any issues before

I always test out the phone for a good week or so before unlocking. Just in case there are any problems.
But, as the previous poster said, unlocking shouldn't prevent them from fixing obvious hardware issues like broken speakers or something else that's a hardware failure.

Read their terms, if you unlock bootloader your warranty is void period. They warn you when you ask for the unlock code, the only exception is DE devices. You have to agree to their terms to get the code. I unlocked mine but it's a DE, I exchanged my custom T Mobile X for the DE during the first Cyber Monday deal.
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Derbyman32 said:
Thanks for that, I thought rooting was the problem. I guess I have always unlocked the bootloader and rooted my previous android devices in the same step and just didn't realize the difference. So the people with developers phones can unlock their bootloaders but I can't. Do you know why Motorola would cover one and not the other?
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Think about it this way:
Unlocking your bootloader means you can do all sorts of stuff with ur phone's firmware making it very easy to change the way it works and/or brick it and many people do.
Now if unlocking ur bootloader doesn't void ur warranty, then u would have the right to get support and/or get ur phone repaired under warranty in case u mess it up and/or get it bricked. Now put urself in Motorola's shoes, would you be willing to provide support for your customers because they decided to mess up their phone? No. Warranty only covers manufacturing defects, not defects caused by the user such as physically damaging the phone or unlocking the bootloader and messing with the phone's firmware. Unlocking your phone's bootloader will make it very easy to mess up ur phone making the number of people who would have a messed up phone high and Motorola would need more resources to be able to manage and provide support for such a high number of people.
Now in order to keep customers happy, they allowed Dev Edition owners to unlock their bootloader and keep their warranty as a compromise solution. Why? First of all, the Dev Edition is more expensive, which means the number of people that are going to buy it is going to be less. A lower number of people is easier to manage when having to repair or replace phones damaged because of an unlocked bootloader. Moreover, people who are likely to buy a Dev Edition phone would be experienced devs who are less likely to damage their phone because of an unlocked bootloader or who would know how to fix it if they damage it without having to bother Motorola customer support. Again, this narrows down the number to even less.
I hope this explains it, it's all about limiting the number of people who can claim a warranty because of unlocked bootloader to a manageable number.

mschumacher69 said:
First of all, the Dev Edition is more expensive,
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The 32GB Developer Edition phone is the exact same price as Moto Maker T-Mobile off contract 32GB, both are $549.99. It is ridiculous that Motorola threaten to void the warranty because the phone is a different color. The T-Mobile edition "off contract" phone has nothing to do with T-Mobile other than being able to get 1700 AWS. T-Mobile does not have anything to do with the sale of the phone and their website makes no mention of the Moto X anywhere.

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The 32GB Developer Edition phone is the exact same price as Moto Maker T-Mobile off contract 32GB, both are $549.99. It is ridiculous that Motorola threaten to void the warranty because the phone is a different color. The T-Mobile edition "off contract" phone has nothing to do with T-Mobile other than being able to get 1700 AWS. T-Mobile does not have anything to do with the sale of the phone and their website makes no mention of the Moto X anywhere.
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Again, it's all down to reducing the number of people that can unlock without voiding the warranty making it easier for them to manage it. It has nothing to do with the phone model or the color of its cover.
Even if they are the exact same phone with the exact same price and the only difference being the color of the cover, lacking color options makes it inconvenient for some people. This means that less people will buy it reducing the number of people who claim a warranty because of a problem related to unlocking the bootloader to a manageable one.

mschumacher69 said:
... It has nothing to do with ... the color of its cover.
...the only difference being the color of the cover, lacking color options makes it inconvenient for some people.
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Seems like it's all about the color to me.

Thank you guys for all the feedback. I see the points for and against the idea. If I could pick I would rather have them do it like most Samsungs I have had. I was able to root and unlock, use the phone and then restore to original without Samsung ever interfering. I know that if my phone crashed while the bottloader was unlocked then it was on me but I always felt I could recover from most anything thrown at me with the help of xda and google search engines. The way Motorola wants to do it is just void your warranty for unlocking bootloader period. I would be willing to unlock and root if I could do it without Motorola's help and would take the chance that if I bricked it then that was on me.
Either way I love my Moto X and really do not feel the need to root like I did with Samsung and all the junk they install on the phones. Everything that came on the Moto X is fine with me but I did buy a no contract unsubsidized off contract phone so I feel that should give me some room to use my equipment the way I wish but still have a degree of protection from failed hardware that has nothing to do with rooting, should that ocur.

Derbyman32 said:
Thank you guys for all the feedback. I see the points for and against the idea. If I could pick I would rather have them do it like most Samsungs I have had. I was able to root and unlock, use the phone and then restore to original without Samsung ever interfering. I know that if my phone crashed while the bottloader was unlocked then it was on me but I always felt I could recover from most anything thrown at me with the help of xda and google search engines. The way Motorola wants to do it is just void your warranty for unlocking bootloader period. I would be willing to unlock and root if I could do it without Motorola's help and would take the chance that if I bricked it then that was on me.
Either way I love my Moto X and really do not feel the need to root like I did with Samsung and all the junk they install on the phones. Everything that came on the Moto X is fine with me but I did buy a no contract unsubsidized off contract phone so I feel that should give me some room to use my equipment the way I wish but still have a degree of protection from failed hardware that has nothing to do with rooting, should that ocur.
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Does Samsung allow unlocking their bootloaders officially?

I would really like to find someone who has successfully done a warranty claim on an unlocked motomaker XT1053. I returned mine after it was unlocked but that was a return, not a warranty claim. I'm on moto x no3 right now for various reasons. First I returned because it was the only way they would honor the price change since I ordered a few hours before the announcement of the cyber deals on that same day. They couldn't cancel building the phone after only a couple hours. They made it right with a coupon and allowed me to return it. I'm regretting saving that money because now its all headache. I got the same color, etc phone after for the cyber monday price... and it came with corrupt flash or something else hardware related. Phone would not successfully boot, even after flashing stock firmware. They did an advanced replacement and now I'm on device no. 3. Thought the phone was perfect, but they put a big nick right by the silver keys of the phone. They really are sloppy when they make these things. I called them and they put a note on my account that I could get a replacement at anytime... indefinitely because of that, but I'm sure it will be voided if I were to unlock the phone. I'm trying to just live with the blemish, but I'm OCD with my devices. Even exchanging to save money, I probably have spent at least $100 on cases and screen protectors.
Is there anyone out there that has successfully done a NON SOFTWARE related warranty claim on an unlocked non-dev (T-Mobile) Moto X?

Rhiannon224 said:
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I'm definitely going to re-read these terms. Insurance, in which I pay a deductible to replace the device, is not the same as a free replacement due to a factory defect. And if unlocking the bootloader negates my paid insurance... well that's a pretty dirty business practice. It also doesn't seem very enforceable, as I could just drop my phone from a very high distance and successfully file a claim... Let us double check the fine print.
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Seems like it's all about the color to me.
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That's racist!

I noticed that Motorola updated the language regarding the T-Mobile - no contract Moto X on the Moto Maker site yesterday. What just used to show the T-Mobile logo and "No Contract" when selecting a T-Mobile Moto X, now reads: "GSM Unlocked" in Large font with the T-Mobile logo reduced to a smaller type face. It also says: "Comes with T-Mobile SIM. Use with AT&T and T-Mobile 4G LTE, and Global HSPA"
In the updated Moto X FAQs, T-Mobile is not mentioned as a carrier, the phone is now simply referred to as the "GSM Unlocked" model.
https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/97692/action/auth
I hope this more un-carrier distinction will have Motorola reconsidering making the XT1053 'GSM Unlocked' model (formally known as the 'T-Mobile - No Contract' model) have the same warranty as the XT1053 Developer Edition, since there is no carrier involvement in either.
Also relating to 'no contract' Motorola phones was a comment made by Motorola CEO Dennis Woodside in his interview with MKBHD last week. When talking about the Cyber Monday sale, Dennis said: "...we learned alot. There's clearly demand for devices that are not tied to a contract, at prices that are reasonable, and I think were gonna listen hard to that, to what the consumer told us on Monday and on Wednesday....". Dennis later goes onto to mention that AT&T was just releasing new wireless plans which include "Bring Your Own Phone" discounts; this is probably the reason for the more generic "GSM Unlocked" moniker been given to the XT1053, since Motorola plan to now market this model to AT&T BYOP customers as well as T-Mobile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpqBNn_BfKE&feature=player_detailpage&list=UUBJycsmduvYEL83R_U4JriQ#t=133

Unlocked Bootloader Voided Warrenty

I was pretty sure that unlocking the bootloader would NOT void the warrenty. I was however wrong. A few weeks ago I sent in my Nexus 6P for repair since it could not make or recivie phones calls since the day I bought it.
Today I got it back with a note saying the Warranty is now void because of the unlocked bootloader. Not only that they put my IMEI for blacklisting from all Huawei repair centers.
I thought it was well known that you would be safe if you unlocked your bootloader?
They also stated that unlocking the bootloader corrupts and tampers with the mainboard and as a result the device is beyond repair.
Who in the world do I contact about this? This is a huge issue people need to know about.

I was under the impression that nearly everyone LOCKS their bootloader before sending it in for repair.
I guess it's not possible in every situation, and I guess Huawei says no dice if it is unlocked. (I cant tell if this was sent to Google or Huawei, but assume Huawei)
Pretty crappy

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I was under the impression that nearly everyone LOCKS their bootloader before sending it in for repair.
I guess it's not possible in every situation, and I guess Huawei says no dice if it is unlocked. (I cant tell if this was sent to Google or Huawei, but assume Huawei)
Pretty crappy
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Yes normally I would have relocked it but I had forgot. Sent to Huawei as Google doesn't do repairs. Still the option to unlock the bootloader is built INTO the phone! It's there as option on every stock Nexus 6P.
It's as dumb as saying launching the stock SMS app voids your warranty.
EDIT: So I've called 4 Huawei reps and 2 of them didn't know if unlocking the bootloader voided the warranty and 2 thought unlocking the bootloader was rooting the device.
On the website is a very very vague warrenty.
Improper testing, operation, maintenance, installation, or any alteration or modification of Product;
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This could be anything. Changing the brightness settings modifies the device to display a lower or higher brightness. Where does it start and stop since unlocking the bootloader is available as a stock option with no external tools needed.

Nexus always void warranty. We all know it. Then why did you send the phone without relocking the bootloader. You made it now you suffer. I feel sorry for you.
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PieOfJustice said:
Yes normally I would have relocked it but I had forgot. Sent to Huawei as Google doesn't do repairs. Still the option to unlock the bootloader is built INTO the phone! It's there as option on every stock Nexus 6P.
It's as dumb as saying launching the stock SMS app voids your warranty.
EDIT: So I've called 4 Huawei reps and 2 of them didn't know if unlocking the bootloader voided the warranty and 2 thought unlocking the bootloader was rooting the device.
On the website is a very very vague warrenty.
This could be anything. Changing the brightness settings modifies the device to display a lower or higher brightness. Where does it start and stop since unlocking the bootloader is available as a stock option with no external tools needed.
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It's nothing at all like saying launching the stock sms app voids your warranty. That's a terrible analogy. Launching the stock sms app doesn't allow you to alter the normal operation of device and flash different partitions with custom software (which may damage the device). And no, the information on their site could not mean anything. It says improper, changing the brightness would very obviously not be improper modification. It's very clear what they mean.
Anyway, it looks as though the issue here is with Huawei, as Google have no issues with the bootloader being unlocked. You really should have locked it before sending it back anyway though, that's standard procedure.
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Nexus always void warranty. We all know it. Then why did you send the phone without relocking the bootloader. You made it now you suffer. I feel sorry for you.
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Nexus always voids warranty? No.

Heisenberg said:
It's nothing at all like saying launching the stock sms app voids your warranty. That's a terrible analogy. Launching the stock sms app doesn't allow you to alter the normal operation of device and flash different partitions with custom software (which may damage the device). And no, the information on their site could not mean anything. It says improper, changing the brightness would very obviously not be improper modification. It's very clear what they mean.
Anyway, it looks as though the issue here is with Huawei, as Google have no issues with the bootloader being unlocked. You really should have locked it before sending it back anyway though, that's standard procedure.
Nexus always voids warranty? No.
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I accept that. Well I guess I'm stuck then. Lesson to everyone that sending in a device with the bootloader switch in the developer options switched to ON will void your warranty. Stupid mistake but still a stupid reason for rejecting to repair a device that has a manufacturing defect. Always turn that puppy to off.
EDIT: Just wanted to point out that the switch in Dev options is reboot and reset surviving.

That sucks. I remember when my Nexus 7 just straight up died one day and I had to send it in for repair. Since it died and was unusable, I was unable to re-lock the bootloader. When I called support, I told them that "no, I had not rooted or tampered with the device". It all worked out and I got a new one. In your case, you definitely should have locked that bootloader...but really, that's pretty effed up for them to deny warranty on what sounds like a hardware issue. That said, why did you unlock and mod your device that didn't EVER work?

Unless you bought your phone from Huawei directly your warranty is not with them. If you bought from Google Play Store just sort out a return with them - my experience is that they don't ask too many questions. Lock your bootloader this time! If elsewhere (Amazon, Carphone Warehouse, Best Buy) then speak to them.

That sucks OP. Did you try a factory reset to fix your call issue? maybe if you can fix it you wont need to send it in for repairs.

That's messed. Just had my phone battery replaced under warranty from an authorized huawei repair center. My carrier sent it out for me, bootloader was unlocked and had custom recovery flashed. Didn't phase them, they just reflashed stock image replaced battery and sent it back to me, no issues. In fact, the bootloader setting came back set to unlockable by default! Can't believe you were treated this way, I'm truly sorry for you. Also, heads up, I work at best buy (the phone department) and I can guarantee you Best Buy does not handle the warranty claims for these devices, or smartphones we sell. Go to carrier or call manufacturer. (Canadian Best Buy policy)
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If you are in the US that violates the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
In the US, "THEY" must prove that what you did caused the issue before they can void the warranty.
OP - Are you in the US?

Well a "good news everyone" update.
While the NA Huawei team treated me like garbage over the issue I contacted my Cell Provider and they just sent me a brand spanking new phone on the condition I send mine to them. Very surprised this happened. Thought I was up **** creek.
Turns out they are going to send it back to Huawei themselves and get a refund. :good:

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If you are in the US that violates the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act.
In the US, "THEY" must prove that what you did caused the issue before they can void the warranty.
OP - Are you in the US?
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Almost. Canada. They use FutureTel over here.

jeebuspwnz said:
That sucks. I remember when my Nexus 7 just straight up died one day and I had to send it in for repair. Since it died and was unusable, I was unable to re-lock the bootloader. When I called support, I told them that "no, I had not rooted or tampered with the device". It all worked out and I got a new one. In your case, you definitely should have locked that bootloader...but really, that's pretty effed up for them to deny warranty on what sounds like a hardware issue. That said, why did you unlock and mod your device that didn't EVER work?
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Couldn't wait. Flash junkie.
squall458 said:
That sucks OP. Did you try a factory reset to fix your call issue? maybe if you can fix it you wont need to send it in for repairs.
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I tried everything. Even attempted every single factory image too. Sending it in is a last resort.

Hardware warranty after root

Hi. I want to ask you if the warranty still exists for hardware parts like screen and charging port I m rooted. Has anyone any on warranty repair experience? My screen has a big yellow shadow on the upper right side and in every corner. Also charging port doesn't support fast charge anymore. Phone charges slower than a turtle. Also after Nougat update I have some WiFi losses. I m on stock Nougat.
Thanks in advanced.

Moto can and will refuse to work on any device that has the bootloader unlocked.

It depends on where you live, in my country repair shops generally don't check bootloader status because they're getting money from repairs. Few years before I was playing with my unlocked xperia and I killed bootloader - repair shop changed my mootherboard for free no quesion asked.

iks8 said:
It depends on where you live, in my country repair shops generally don't check bootloader status because they're getting money from repairs. Few years before I was playing with my unlocked xperia and I killed bootloader - repair shop changed my mootherboard for free no quesion asked.
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No legit shop that does regular business with Moto will do this repair... because when they submit for reimbursement for the work to Moto and the SN or IMEI is checked, it will come back flagged as unlocked and the shop doesn't get paid.
Moto is SUPER strict on this policy, it is all over their documents and things you have to agree to when you unlock your device... Once the code is issue, you are voluntarily agreeing to forfeiting your warranty. The ONLY time this doesn't apply is in some EU countries to do local laws specifically about this.

Psadim said:
Hi. I want to ask you if the warranty still exists for hardware parts like screen and charging port I m rooted. Has anyone any on warranty repair experience? My screen has a big yellow shadow on the upper right side and in every corner. Also charging port doesn't support fast charge anymore. Phone charges slower than a turtle. Also after Nougat update I have some WiFi losses. I m on stock Nougat.
Thanks in advanced.
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Technically no. All the stuff you agreed to when you requested the unlock token voided the warranty. When the device was new a Moto forum admin posted a slightly friendlier interpretation: https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-X-Pure-Moto-X-Style/Bootloader-Policy-re-Warranty-for-Pure-Style/m-p/3202233#M5570.
However, most experiences I've heard people relay on here involve Moto outright refusing to touch devices with an unlocked bootloader, even when customers were willing to pay for repair and not trying to collect on a warranty claim. Elevating the issue in their forums might get you some traction with a knowledgeable employee instead of front-line customer support drones, but I wouldn't get your hopes up. By most accounts Lenovo's customer service is #%[email protected]

Thank you all for your replies. Seems like I m gonna sell it for a carrot.

I 'm back again.
I downgrade from nougat to MM, and then i did an update for MM.
While the phone was updating suddenly it crashed and never turned on again.
Computer recognize it with a mysterious code.
It's rooted. I called motorola and i asked for help.
They told me its in a 2 years EU warranty when they checked my IMEI, and that i ve got 1 month left.
After that, i asked them in which cases my smartphone isn't covered from that warranty and they told me only if the screen or motherboard are broken. Which are not.
They are sending me a courier tomorrow to receive it.
Any ideas? Should i send it or should i wait for a blank file to restore it on my own? They may charge me or they may repair it in warranty?
Thanks for your help!

In EU you should send it for warranty repair.
http://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html @Psadim

dzidexx said:
In EU you should send it for warranty repair.
http://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html @Psadim
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Thank you very much, if they tell me anything about root, i ll send them this.

How to claim warranty after relocking bootloader

I had recently rooted my moto g5 plus and due to battery issues had to relock the bootloader before taking it to the service center.
After examining the device, the service center asked me if it was rooted earlier to which I replied Yes and then they told me that the device has void its warranty since the device was rooted.
Now that I had relocked the bootloader, can I not claim the device warranty now?
Please show me a direction here.

22sumit said:
I had recently rooted my moto g5 plus and due to battery issues had to relock the bootloader before taking it to the service center.
After examining the device, the service center asked me if it was rooted earlier to which I replied Yes and then they told me that the device has void its warranty since the device was rooted.
Now that I had relocked the bootloader, can I not claim the device warranty now?
Please show me a direction here.
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I don't think you can get your warranty back. Some say that once you issue an unlock code, your warranty gets void even if you use the code to unlock bootloader or not. I do hope that you get your warranty back and get your phone fixed. Anyways, you could've just told them that it wasn't rooted

psychopac said:
I don't think you can get your warranty back. Some say that once you issue an unlock code, your warranty gets void even if you use the code to unlock bootloader or not. I do hope that you get your warranty back and get your phone fixed. Anyways, you could've just told them that it wasn't rooted
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My bad, I couldn't lie it to them coz they had evidence that the bootloader was unlocked earlier.

22sumit said:
My bad, I couldn't lie it to them coz they had evidence that the bootloader was unlocked earlier.
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Was it locked when you gave the phone to them?
I remember I had a Moto E2 which was running a custom ROM and the phone was in warranty and when it's speaker started going bonkers, I just flashed the fastboot ROM and locked the bootloader (I think so) and took it to service center and they fixed it for free. Actually, the speaker grill had accumulated some dust and that was interfering with the sound output so they opened the phone and cleaned the speaker.

psychopac said:
Was it locked when you gave the phone to them?
I remember I had a Moto E2 which was running a custom ROM and the phone was in warranty and when it's speaker started going bonkers, I just flashed the fastboot ROM and locked the bootloader (I think so) and took it to service center and they fixed it for free. Actually, the speaker grill had accumulated some dust and that was interfering with the sound output so they opened the phone and cleaned the speaker.
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Yes relocked it last night and flashed the stock fastboot images as well.
First they did the same in the holy name of software update and then finally giving up to the final conclusion that the battery needed replacement. I left the mobile with them until they told me on call that they'll be charging Rs 1500 for the replacement since the device was rooted. Sometimes even I think that had I lied to them, they might had considered replacing it at no extra cost.

22sumit said:
Yes relocked it last night and flashed the stock fastboot images as well.
First they did the same in the holy name of software update and then finally giving up to the final conclusion that the battery needed replacement. I left the mobile with them until they told me on call that they'll be charging Rs 1500 for the replacement since the device was rooted. Sometimes even I think that had I lied to them, they might had considered replacing it at no extra cost.
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I wonder what would changing the battery has to do with a fault on the screen?

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I wonder what would changing the battery has to do with a fault on the screen?
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It's actually a battery issue

I don't think you understand... you VOLUNTARILY gave up your warranty when the unlock code was issued, regardless of whether you actually unlocked the bootloader or not. You cannot "get your warranty back" in any way. Did you not read ANY of the multiple warnings when you unlocked your phone, it is presented very clearly at least 3 times before you actually commit to getting the code.

It depends on the country you live in. A company can't get you to accept something like that and make you give up a right given to you by law. Check your local consumer laws, you might still be able to get it fixed under warranty.
I know that in the EU, Australia, New Zealand etc a company cannot waive the rights of a user under the local consumer laws by just getting you to accept some stupid disclaimer.

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It depends on the country you live in. A company can't get you to accept something like that and make you give up a right given to you by law. Check your local consumer laws, you might still be able to get it fixed under warranty.
I know that in the EU, Australia, New Zealand etc a company cannot waive the rights of a user under the local consumer laws by just getting you to accept some stupid disclaimer.
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Most EU countries that is partially true, depending on your country, I will elaborate in a second... I was unaware there were similar laws in Australia or New Zealand...
The situation is quite complicated, at least in Germany, but most likely this applies to most EU countries. There are two different types of warranty. First, the manufacturer warranty / express warranty (Garantie), which is entirely voluntary and the manufacturer dictates its terms. Second, there is the implied warranty (Gewährleistung), which is regulated by law and exercised by the seller.
Under express warranty, manufacturers can decline any repairs easily because of unlocking, and they do that of course. However, under implied warranty, that isn't easily possible. In Germany, in the first 6 months after you buy the device, the seller has to prove that a fault is your own doing. Which is really hard, so you should be good to go even with unlocked bootloader. After the first 6 months, it is the opposite, you have to prove that a defect wasn't caused by you, which is again, really hard.
So in the first 6 months after you've bought the phone you should be fine, but after that, it will be problematic to say the least. Again, this is true for Germany, it might be a bit different in other EU countries.
There are any number of discussions on this topic on Reddit, Lenovo's Official Forums, here and other forums, and although some people seem to get around the Motorola/Lenovo statements, the vast majority don't, even in countries with laws to subjugate this practice. A little Googling will confirm that. Whatever Moto, and other manufacturers with similar policies are doing, in general they are not honoring warranties after bootloader unlocking.
The reality is a lot worse than the pretty picture the politicians give us about the laws that supposedly protect consumers.

22sumit said:
I had recently rooted my moto g5 plus and due to battery issues had to relock the bootloader before taking it to the service center.
After examining the device, the service center asked me if it was rooted earlier to which I replied Yes and then they told me that the device has void its warranty since the device was rooted.
Now that I had relocked the bootloader, can I not claim the device warranty now?
Please show me a direction here.
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Once you unlock the bootloader, your warranty is void. It doesn't matter if you relock it. Because you have to request an unlock code from Motorola, that big long agreement you have to accept when you request the code basically tells you that you're voiding your warranty the moment you click "accept", whether you actually use the code and unlock the bootloader or not. Just asking for the code is all it takes.
That's something you need to come to terms with if you're going to use custom ROMs, or root your device. I always wait a month or two to make sure my phone doesn't have any defects before I mess with ROMs, and I research devices before buying them to see what kind of issues they may be prone to in the first 12 months.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, bud.
Sent from my XT1687 using XDA Labs

from the unlock code page https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-b :
As used in this Legal Agreement and Warning, the term "Unlocked Device" means a Device for which an Unlock Code has been obtained, regardless of whether such Device's bootloader has actually been unlocked, relocked or whether such Device's software or operating system has been modified or whether it's original, unmodified software or operating system has been reloaded. In other words, once a Device's Unlock Code has been released by Motorola to User, the Device shall thereafter, for all intents and purposes, be deemed to be an Unlocked Device, irrespective of whether it was, in fact, unlocked or modified.
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(5) THE FOLLOWING APPLIES TO ALL UNLOCKED DEVICES EXCEPT FOR DEVELOPER EDITION DEVICES. BY OBTAINING THE UNLOCK CODE FOR THIS DEVICE, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER THE DEVICE'S BOOTLOADER IS SUBSEQUENTLY UNLOCKED OR ITS SOFTWARE OR OPERATING SYSTEM IS MODIFIED, USER AGREES TO WAIVE AND VOID ALL WARRANTIES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BY MOTOROLA, BOTH EXPRESS AND IMPLIED, INCLUDING ANY WRITTEN WARRANTY THAT ACCOMPANIED THE DEVICE AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE OR DELIVERY, AND AGREES THAT ANY RIGHTS OR REMEDIES PROVIDED BY SUCH A WARRANTY ARE NULL AND VOID. MOTOROLA MAKES NO WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND AND DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES OF EVERY KIND, EXPRESS, IMPLIED, OR STATUTORY, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE IN CONNECTION WITH AN UNLOCKED DEVICE. USER ACKNOWLEDGES AND AGREES THAT ALL SUCH WARRANTIES ARE HEREBY EXCLUDED AND THAT ALL UNLOCKED DEVICES ARE PROVIDED "AS IS," WITH NO WARRANTY OF ANY KIND
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I just got a used/refurb G5 Plus in the mail yesterday - it still has warranty thru 06/2018. ($145 from B&H, for the 4GB/64GB version!)
All right, time to "ROM it up!". Read unlock/root directions. get oem unlock data from fastboot, go to the motorola unlock code page:
I sat there, on the unlock code page for about 6 minutes, reading and re-reading that. I've decided not to unlock for now. It's not often that I have a phone under warranty (I've almost always had used phones, etc), so i think i will try to see how well I can get along with stock ROM for a change.
Thankfully, I see very little variance away from AOSP.
This will be a major challenge, for me, to see how long I can stay stock and unrooted. Hopefully, I can make it to the 8.0 OTA.
But, the point is - I read the stuff and took time to think and make an informed decision.

well... in my city, those service center guys are dumb, I mean really dumb;
I had some problem with my bootloader unlocked device, they just checked the bill and repaired the phone for free lol

siddhesh9146 said:
well... in my city, those service center guys are dumb, I mean really dumb;
I had some problem with my bootloader unlocked device, they just checked the bill and repaired the phone for free lol
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North America and Europe don't have "service centers"... We have to send them into corporate repair center to get fixed, there is no walk-in service, which requires an RMA be issued and we get stopped right there.
Honestly, your service center isn't helping... When they do repairs on a device like this, they later submit the repair to Moto/Lenovo for reimbursement and they don't get paid because the IMEI is flagged. Sure, you got your device fixed, but your neighbors paid for it, not Moto.

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North America and Europe don't have "service centers"... We have to send them into corporate repair center to get fixed, there is no walk-in service, which requires an RMA be issued and we get stopped right there.
Honestly, your service center isn't helping... When they do repairs on a device like this, they later submit the repair to Moto/Lenovo for reimbursement and they don't get paid because the IMEI is flagged. Sure, you got your device fixed, but your neighbors paid for it, not Moto.
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wdym by neighbors? you mean those guys in service center took the loss by this ^above???