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after galaxy note you will buy any Samsung mobile phone?
Seeing how the note is my third Sammy, probably. Not.a fan of Samsung's plastic choices but hardware wise, I like them.
depends on whats available at the time
My last Samsung here. The updates are so slow. It is like running Gingerbread back from the 1920s. There is no excitement with my device. I know some of you are iPhone haters but at least they can update and release new features in one day. Google need to smack Samsung down a little.
Yes I will - Note II / Note Plus
Samsung has always managed to appeal to my design sense and build pretty neat hardware into their phones. I've had a D900, U600, (LG KU990 in between here) Omnia II, SGS and now the Note. The D900 was a fantastic looking, robust little phone which I still have, and the U600 was pretty much the same but with a redesign and a spec bump so I had that as well. Omnia II was my first taste of smartphones and I loved it. Once Android took off in a big way, I hopped on and haven't been disappointed since.
The Note is great. Beautiful screen, massive battery and runs like butter. The new HTC OneX looks cool and comes pretty close to ticking all my boxes but the S-Pen was the clincher. I scribble faster than I can type and I have a screen of S-Memos to remind me about everything from shopping lists to memos to breathing in and out.
The delays on ICS have been a downer but GB still runs great and as a device, still goes on well. Samsung is making up for it by giving us a premium suite of features which weren't even on the radar when I bought the device so I'm not going to complain. So... Note 2? Yes please.
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My last Samsung here. The updates are so slow. It is like running Gingerbread back from the 1920s. There is no excitement with my device. I know some of you are iPhone haters but at least they can update and release new features in one day. Google need to smack Samsung down a little.
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Hehe, and most things apples patches do is stop jailbreak..
Not to big things in the small ones they send out, and 4s still have crappy battery even if they say they working on it..
Not a iPhone hater here tho, gf have one and even my daughter as they are very simple and child friendly..
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4Nde said:
My last Samsung here. The updates are so slow. It is like running Gingerbread back from the 1920s. There is no excitement with my device. I know some of you are iPhone haters but at least they can update and release new features in one day. Google need to smack Samsung down a little.
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Samsung is great compared to Dell. The Note has only been out 5-6 months. Took Dell over a year to update the Streak5 from 1.5 to 1.6 (Froyo). I don't think there has been a GB update for Dell Streak5. If Sammy is faster than a year, they're doing great! Which other Android manufacturer updates more quickly?
Besides, GB is working quite well IMHO. And the Note is well made and everything seems to work! I'm in for the next round.
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4Nde said:
My last Samsung here. The updates are so slow. It is like running Gingerbread back from the 1920s. There is no excitement with my device. I know some of you are iPhone haters but at least they can update and release new features in one day. Google need to smack Samsung down a little.
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Of course this is your personal opinion and it´s absolutely okay to think like this...but people have to face the fact, that ICS isn´t THE invention of the century, it is more like a small update that makes it possible to install the apex launcher (and some small more stuff ). And beside this, I do not know any manufacturer that provides faster updates to their users (ignoring apple for a moment).
The Note as well as the S2 are two MONSTERS of devices! An incredible camera, snappy/fast/smooth, resistant and even with GB they are still the headliners on the market. Ignoring some apps, there´s nothing to miss atm, it is more about nerdy minds to always be on the newest trip. And: We bought a GB device, so they don´t owe us anything.
BTW: Just check the S2 user com...e.g. the quality of the cam got worse with ICS...and as a matter of fact I do not know ANY smartphone with ICS that beats the S2/Note cam quality atm. I want a device that is WORKING and that delivers some functions which I can really USE within the day. And that´s exactely what samsung delivers imao...
So in my case: Yes, i will stay with samsung...
after my current note, next one will be maybe galaxy s3, if it wont give me satisfaction,will be waiting for note 2 : )
Samsung are making good handsets lately,but I have learnt one important lesson here with my first Samsung Phone ever:Get your bread direct from the Bakery !!.
Meaning,it is always a wise decision to get your phone from a dedicated manufavturer,not from some company who beeing busy in making washing machines,TVs cameras etc..have no time left to support certain devices.
last three devices are all samsung. I have htc work phone which i hate.
I want a phone that works and will last long enough for me to sell on fleabay. I couldnt care less regarding the operating system i.e GB and ics, aint the end of the world at all,
Take a look at Asus and the transformer, they update faster than anyone great huh, hmmm shame about the hardware. As they say you can polish a turd but its still a turd.
Give me solid hardware at a good price, and thats what samsung nail every time
Bring on note2... Can't wait til October... Bring it...
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And whats wrong with HD2,I have been using it for the last 3 years now and is still working like a Swiss watch,I have flashed at different times many OSs on it,just changed back to WM from Miui's ICS,sorry if I offend anyone here but being a 78 years old veteran I bear a special affection at my heart for the WM.
Damn,my wife's Galaxy Tab 10.1 3G is still on Honeycomb 3,1 while my son's have been updated to 3,2 months ago!! and when side by side you can easily observe how inferior the former is in comparison.
I had a couple of Htc smartphones, then an S2, and now the Note. Hated the Htc's, loved the S2, and like the Note even more. So my next phone will probably be the Note 2, unless somebody comes up with something like the Note but better.
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Meh...maybe...
The thing is, the Note is a beautiful phone and i would have bought it no matter what company made it. This is my first sammy phone and it could be the first of many or the last one. As long as the community on xda is strong and the phone itself is amazing i couldn't care less about the company. I have to say though, Samsung has come pretty dam far in the last few years, its unbelievable.
For me, it really depends on how Samsung handles this whole broken-kernels-that-destroy-eMMC fiasco.
If Samsung remains silent on the issue, the Note will likely be my last Samsung device. If another broken kernel manages to get through testing and is officially released (see the SHW-M250S/K/L sources), the Note is guaranteed to be my last Samsung device.
While I don't like their hardware design, nor do I like their historical track record, Sony's recent history of developer support has been highly commendable, and if Samsung keeps blowing it with regards to their total noncooperation with developers, I'll be making the jump with my next device.
Yes, and to be more specific, i will wait for Note 2. I was a HTC fan but, lately, it did not impress me. HTC ONE x , because it uses tegra 3, it is a flop, in my opinion, inefficent and power hungry CPU, no were near Exinox refinament. Samsung offers something witch is crucial for me.. good low light video camera (no ghosting) and USB OTG.
Samsung make good phones overall. Nobody makes a perfect device. Just levels of tolerances that one accepts. I have had 2 other Samsung phones and they were excellent, really excellent. Tbh whilst I want ICS I couldn't care that much since ginger bread is stable. And I prefer stable over everything else.
I probably won't be getting another phone until my Note dies - I love it that much. If Sammy are still top of the heap by then I will probably go the Sammy route again.
I also don't really understand the whole 'Samsung lied to us stuff'. I've struggled to find anything from Samsung that said they'd deliver ICS on the Note by the end of Q1 2012, everything I've found is hearsay or relating to Samsung devices generally (i.e. We'll start rolling out ICS updates in Q1.)
Well they haven't lied. The SGS2, the phone with the largest user-base was updated first... And the phone with all the extra complications of a screen approx four times the size and with a stylus, etc has been delayed. Not a surprise to me - only to those who bought a device with one OS version thinking it would have another IMMEDIATELY!
Its not even like ICS is much better... I flashed ICS Stunner and within a week I was back on stock GB. ICS offers a few good touches (bookmark sync, slightly better UI performance, data usage limits, face unlock (which p***ed me off mo end), etc) but basically its still Android and we've already got that.
Guys, as the 29th is approaching -- what are you thoughts on this upcoming battle. With the speculated display, processor/ram specs Nexus 10 (if it's real) looks to be as good if not better then Note 10.1 (minus S pen) --- I am tempted to return my Note 10.1 and wait for Nexus 10. It's Google/Samsung collaboration so updates will be straight from Google without wait and hopefully TouchWiz, multi-view, pop up video player etc features from Sammy - seems like a "Killer Device"
Thoughts..
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Guys, as the 29th is approaching -- what are you thoughts on this upcoming battle. With the speculated display, processor/ram specs Nexus 10 (if it's real) looks to be as good if not better then Note 10.1 (minus S pen) --- I am tempted to return my Note 10.1 and wait for Nexus 10. It's Google/Samsung collaboration so updates will be straight from Google without wait and hopefully TouchWiz, multi-view, pop up video player etc features from Sammy - seems like a "Killer Device"
Thoughts..
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This was being discussed in the Note vs. TF700 thread. Here are my thoughts.
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Here's my prediction. It'll basically be a giant N7 with higher quality h/w components and better build quality. The SoC will either be the Exynos 5250, S4 Pro, or OMAP 5 assuming a launch next year. If it were launching this year there would already be supply chain leaks about the various third party components used in it or test device traces would have shown up in benchmarks. Exynos Quad can't support FHD so it won't be an existing Exynos chip (if it's Exynos). The 5250 just launched in the new Samsung Chromebook so that's a strong possibility. It'll most likely have NFC and 2GB of RAM also. Since Nexus devices are basically equipped with an app-less (other than Google Apps) bare OS here's the things it won't have.
- Multiview
- Pop up play
- S-Pen/S-Note
- AllShare Play and Cast
- Enhanced camera features (smile/face/blink detection, buddy shot)
- Mini apps
- Enhanced audio and video codec support
- IR port
- Dialer but HSPA data could be offered
- Browser h/w acceleration
The display I'm sure will be Samsung-sourced and gorgeous and whichever next-gen CPU/GPU it has it'll be fast as hell. A lot of folks don't like TouchWiz based on its appearance but it's more than just an overlay. There's lots of stuff Samsung integrates in to it along with a ton of non-standard performance enhancements and additional features. If I leave the Note it won't be for another bare-bones Android tablet with fewer features no matter what the speed and PPI are. It'll more likely be for a Note 10.1 II with a FHD display and 5250 SoC (if it ever comes to exist) or a W8 tablet. Most analysts that follow the mobile industry have declared high-end Android tablets dead at the hands of W8. It that comes to be then Google (rather than the manufacturers) will be the future sponsor of all high-end Android tablets. And Nexus devices may be great for their purity and frequency of updates but naked Android vs. the features and broader app compatibility in W8 are going to make $399+ Android tablets a pretty hard sell.
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In addition, here's an article from today talking about Google's Nexus push.
More Nexus devices don’t necessarily mean more sales and more control over Android for Google.
It’s not clear how a larger Nexus tablet would succeed where other Android tablets have failed, unless you believe mainstream consumers pay close attention to pixel density or other minute tech specs. Google Play has a smaller movie and music selection than Amazon Instant Video (as Laptop Mag noted in a recent comparison) and doesn’t have as many proper tablet apps as Apple’s iPad. In lieu of sheer quantity, Google will need to show some amazing content of its own or knock it out the park on pricing with its tablets.
As for smartphones, the big question is whether Google will cater to wireless carriers, whose subsidies are what allow phones to sell for under $200 in the United States. (They’re also the reason you agree to a two-year contract when you buy a new phone.) Verizon and Sprint did subsidize the Galaxy Nexus, but the arrangement wasn’t ideal as customers still had to wait months for software upgrades. If Google goes it alone and sells unlocked phones without subsidies, it’ll still need a retail partner to provide hands-on time, along with some serious marketing to explain why an unlocked Nexus phone is worth getting.
All of which is to say that next week’s press event will be a lot of fun to watch. And even if you’re not obsessed with the tech industry’s twists and turns, at least there’ll be some cool hardware.
http://techland.time.com/2012/10/23/googles-big-nexus-event-whats-at-stake/
Nice write up, thanks for sharing..
Here's what I've gotta have:
- Multiview
- Pop up play
- S-Pen/S-Note (may be)
- AllShare Play and Cast
- Mini apps
- Enhanced audio and video codec support
- IR port (may be)
- Browser h/w acceleration
Main point for me is if the Nexus 10 doesn't move forward towards multitasking, it's almost a no-go for me..
For me, no pen = no sale.
Haven't used the spen a lot, I'm also a fan of vanilla Android so I guess I'll be getting the nexus 10 , gotta see it first tho
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Been using a pen since the Motion Computing M1400 (now LE1700 w/SXGA+). No reason to stop now. Love the Note 10.1. Give us Super AMOLED+! Keep on writing!
It is just like comparing nexus with note 2
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Well its a nexus device so it will run stock android and so most likely won't have touchwiz and if it doesn't have touchwiz doubt it will have any of the great features that come with it from samsung. I personally think it will just be a big Nexus 7 with a GREAT screen, so still a good device but I think it won't have any of the productivity pros as the Note 10.1.
I see it like most others here: no spending, not interesting.
And there is no way the nexus will have an spen.
The spen in combination with the Multiscreen functionality are amazing. It regularly makes me think about how much fun university would have been had I had it in those days.
Well I've owned my Note for exactly 24 hours now. I was the one that brought up the subject in the other thread. I figured I'd buy the Note now and if the Google announcement blew me away I could just return it. Still not 100% sure what I'll do.
But I think those that say it will be pure vanilla Android are correct. So unless Google slipped multitasking into 4.2 without anyone getting a sniff of it, I doubt you'll see anything special.
The big draw sounds like it's going to be the display. That's compelling, no doubt. But i'm not sure it makes much difference to us old guys with poor eyesight.
The big draw of the Note for me was the 2Gb of RAM. It's possible the Nexus 10 will come that way, but doubtful. But if it does and they bring in a 32GB model for under $400 I still might switch*. But I didn't think that would be the case so I picked up the Note now.
*Release date is also important to me for other reasons that probably aren't a consideration for others.
I am on a dicey situation - my 30 day's end on 28th and this conference is on 29th - should I return it and see what comes out of the conference and if it's not compiling re-buy the Note or just keep the Note and let it release and see how it actually feels before parting way with Note
Tough call.. will be doing some research in the next few days
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I am on a dicey situation - my 30 day's end on 28th and this conference is on 29th - should I return it and see what comes out of the conference and if it's not compiling re-buy the Note or just keep the Note and let it release and see how it actually feels before parting way with Note
Tough call.. will be doing some research in the next few days
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There were a ton of leaks before the SGS3 and Note II were released on the Samsung side with pics and OS screen shots. On the Google side there were leaks for the N7 and Nexus 4 also with pics and OS screen shots. The fact that there's only been one editorial leak for the "Manta/N10" that's been repeated everywhere leaves me to believe it might be announced on the 29th but the release isn't around the corner. No harm in returning your Note and re-buying it after the announcement just in case.
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For me, no pen = no sale.
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+1 for me. Without the pen, I would've considered an iPad and a pressure sensitive bluetooth stylus. But, most likely would not buy a tablet at all.
This mentality of returning stuff for no real reason other than one feels like it, is the epitome of wastefulness for me. I find it so odd. I could never do that.
It makes me more aware of the fact I need to keep my eyes open more for refurbished products whenever I pass through the US.
Oh well...
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This mentality of returning stuff for no real reason other than one feels like it, is the epitome of wastefulness for me. I find it so odd. I could never do that.
It makes me more aware of the fact I need to keep my eyes open more for refurbished products whenever I pass through the US.
Oh well...
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Budget? For me at least, that is a VERY compelling reason right now, and reasons dont always mean as much to one person as it does to others, vice versa, but yeah, there should be some sort of time frame, a reasonable one.............in cases like a defective unit, with promised support and fixes that may or may not come, that has you waiting months, i dont think a measly 32 days is aceptable standard,* the lower the number the less likely of a return, theres only one party there that stands most to benefit................ but i digress
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This mentality of returning stuff for no real reason other than one feels like it, is the epitome of wastefulness for me. I find it so odd. I could never do that.
It makes me more aware of the fact I need to keep my eyes open more for refurbished products whenever I pass through the US.
Oh well...
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In the case of Best Buy, the retailer provides this very option as enticement and reward for bringing your business to them. You can be certain that the cost of processing such returns in fully included in their overall business model. Knowing that the store allows you to "try out" a piece of expensive gear before "committing" to it most likely has been determined to increase sales. In short, Best Buy wouldn't have created this program in the first place, and then expanded it in subsequent years (e.g, "Silver Premier") if it didn't make business sense. They're not doing it to be "nice guys". They're doing it to secure larger market share and benefit their bottom line.
With that very policy in mind, I find myself more willing to plunk down my money sooner in the shopping cycle, knowing that there is far less risk of being disappointed and "stuck" with something I don't like. I've gone from being indifferent to Best Buy, to viewing them as a preferred retailer, especially as they are quite willing to engage in price matching as well. The "mentality" (as your describe it) is that my anxiety about purchases of not-yet-proven technology is relieved, and Best Buy gets my business sooner and more frequently.
So...both parties to this retail arrangement (consumer and retailer), benefit, and both agree to conduct business on this basis.
Why, then, should the consumer feel guilty about exercising his/her option to return a piece of merchandise that disappoints - for whatever reason, even if it were something as trivial as the color clashing with the curtains in my office? It's not a matter of taking advantage of the arrangement - merely exercising one of the options that the retailer offers as terms of the sale. In the end, I will be a far more loyal Best Buy customer because they value my satisfaction. They benefit - and I do too.
BTW: Out of all the years I've purchased products from Best Buy, I've spent many thousands of dollars there (business and personal), and only returned two products.
Also: when a returned product is resold - it is done as an "open box" item, with a commensurate discount. You don't have to suspect that every item you buy in the US may have been touched by another consumer before you get it. Those who knowingly buy "open box" items often delight in the great bargain that they've found....and once again, this is built into Best Buy's business model. In short - all parties benefit.
Here's Best Buy's own description of the "Silver Premier" benefit that relates to this:
MORE Time. We want you to ensure you love every purchase. So contact the Helpline for help with setup. Or, get a recommendation on an exchange that better fits your needs. Best of all, you have plenty of time to decide with a 60-day return, exchange and price-match policy on Best Buy and BestBuy.com purchases.
As far as I'm concerned, this is a win-win situation for all parties.
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There were a ton of leaks before the SGS3 and Note II were released on the Samsung side with pics and OS screen shots. On the Google side there were leaks for the N7 and Nexus 4 also with pics and OS screen shots. The fact that there's only been one editorial leak for the "Manta/N10" that's been repeated everywhere leaves me to believe it might be announced on the 29th but the release isn't around the corner. No harm in returning your Note and re-buying it after the announcement just in case.
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Yes, I know - that is why I will be researching as much as I can (hard for me to part ways with my Note for even a day without a HUGE reason )
I fully agree with this jonstrong's post- I once asked Costco that why don't you guys sell iPad and they said "wel,l because Apple doesn't like our return policies" - so if the company has issues with it they might as well keep it from Stores with basic (or more then basic in Costco's case) "return policies"
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I fully agree with this jonstrong's post- I once asked Costco that why don't you guys sell iPad and they said "wel,l because Apple doesn't like our return policies" - so if the company has issues with it they might as well keep it from Stores with basic (or more then basic in Costco's case) "return policies"
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Yup - Costco is another great example of shopper protection -- and they have one of the most loyal customer groups in the entire industry as a result. Costco customers know that they are never at risk for "getting stuck" with a disappointing purchase.
I seriously thought about it. I'm still well within my 30-day return window. However, I realized that the one reason I dismissed the Nexus 7 isn't likely to change: the lack of expandable memory.
Hello Note 10.1 users.
As stated, this is for my younger sister who just got out of college.
She's considering a tablet and I have a Note II which I love. I've always been an android user, since the nexus one (which she uses since i got the galaxy nexus).
When I'm reading online, even android websites say that android tablets are not on par w/ the iPad. I see that it's about the apps, but I feel like all the big apps are on android too, so I'm just confused.
Has anyone here had significant experience w/ one of the "new" ipads (3rd or 4th) that can offer their thoughts?
The reason I'm considering the Note 10.1 is because the only other 10 inch android tablet that seems good is the transformer infinity and their forums are just RIDDLED with problems, which I don't see Note 10.1 users having. So it seems to be the most stable 10 inch tablet on android.
There's two ipads in my home. My step sons and my wife's. My wife just got the 10.1 after seeing mine and gave her other son the ipad. Just go to a store a try all your options and see what you like best.
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Hello Note 10.1 users.
As stated, this is for my younger sister who just got out of college.
She's considering a tablet and I have a Note II which I love. I've always been an android user, since the nexus one (which she uses since i got the galaxy nexus).
When I'm reading online, even android websites say that android tablets are not on par w/ the iPad. I see that it's about the apps, but I feel like all the big apps are on android too, so I'm just confused.
Has anyone here had significant experience w/ one of the "new" ipads (3rd or 4th) that can offer their thoughts?
The reason I'm considering the Note 10.1 is because the only other 10 inch android tablet that seems good is the transformer infinity and their forums are just RIDDLED with problems, which I don't see Note 10.1 users having. So it seems to be the most stable 10 inch tablet on android.
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Depends on what she wants, does she want high resolution screen/media consumption device or a device more geared toward productivity?
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You need to consider what your Sister wants to do with it.
What does she do for a living, what brand of phone does she have, will she be a casual user or a power user.
Would she be happy with a plain Jane iPad as far as customizing goes?
Will she enjoy the artistic aspect of the Note 10.1's S-Pen.
As far as apps go... both android and ios have a wide range of quality apps. that would satisfy user of any age or profession
I have used iPod, iPad, Blackberry Playbook, Kindle fire, and a Note 10.1
My favorite device is the Note 10.1 here are some of the reasons why
The S-Pen, muti-window & dual view, air view, easy clip, smart stay, buddy photo share, live video w/ chapter preview, smart remote, formula match and pop up play.
The Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 is truly The New Way
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...muti-window ...
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Once you get used to that you never wanna have something other. I tell you, two aspects of the note are essential: as mentioned the multiwindow feature and the spen (including all the hardware). I use my note for studying and all i have to carry to university is this tablet. I do ALL my work on it with lecture notes but thats another long story... you can find a lot here in this forum.
Back to the multiwindow thing. I promise you, once tried you ll get addicted to it. The feeling is "pretty close" to working on a desktop/laptop machine. I owned the p7500 before i moved on to the note and that was a whole new experience. But to be honest you have to be rooted to REALLY use multiwindow in nearly every app. out of the box it just supports a couple of stock apps and that really sucked.
The Note is the best tablet on the market with one glaring deficiency: it's 147PPI display. Nothing competes with S Pen, S Note, multiview, airview, and all the additional features Samsung packs in to it. For someone that values those features (I do) the 147PPI display is the price you have to pay to get them.
For someone who just wants consumption, the two best tablets are the Xperia Z or Samsung P5200 (their version of the Nexus 10). The first was just announced and I'm not sure of when it goes on sale in the U.S. The second was leaked with no detail yet on features (other than the display resolution), price or availability. The N10 has a ton of issues and because it's "pure Google" missing a lot of features in other tablets. If you have a Costco near you buy her a Note there and, if she doesn't like it or something new comes along, you can return it within 90 days no-questions asked.
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The Note is the best tablet on the market with one glaring deficiency: it's 147PPI display. Nothing competes with S Pen, S Note, multiview, airview, and all the additional features Samsung packs in to it. For someone that values those features (I do) the 147PPI display is the price you have to pay to get them.
For someone who just wants consumption, the two best tablets are the Xperia Z or Samsung P5200 (their version of the Nexus 10). The first was just announced and I'm not sure of when it goes on sale in the U.S. The second was leaked with no detail yet on features (other than the display resolution), price or availability. The N10 has a ton of issues and because it's "pure Google" missing a lot of features in other tablets. If you have a Costco near you buy her a Note there and, if she doesn't like it or something new comes along, you can return it within 90 days no-questions asked.
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Well, it looks like I can get a refurbished one for 380 on ebay. I think I'm going to do that. The Xperia Z looks like a VERY premium tablet, so I'm sure it'll carry a premium price too, and she can barely afford the $380. I would've got her the nexus 10 as I love my nexus 7, but after reading through xda, and seeing that it has nothing but random reboot problems...I said f that.
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When I'm reading online, even android websites say that android tablets are not on par w/ the iPad.
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What android website writes such nonsense?
The Nexus 10 is better then the Ipad in EVERYTHING.
The Note 10 is better then the Nexus 10 because it has the s-pen, s-note, a sd-card slot and so on.
You seem not to know that the question "Android or Apple" is a religious, political question (seriously).
How dare you come to a Android forum and ask about an Apple product? You heretic! hehe (joke).
Now seriously again:
Most of us would never buy an Ipad, whatever specs it has, because it is an Apple product.
All apple products have the apple philosophy of being closed, limited.
Apple makes easy products, suited for your grandma.
To do this they have to RESTRICT your freedom to do things with the device. This limits what you can do with the device and limits your control on even your own data, but it limits also your chances to damage your device by doing something wrong.
A elderly person should buy an apple product because it is easy and an elderly person does not need advanced features.
A smart, young person should buy an android because it gives him the freedom to modify/customize everything and lets him do whatever he wants.
It is a political question:
Do you prefer the former "Soviet Union" (Apple) or the USA (Android)?
Soviet union (Apple): Easy life, the state gives you a job, a home but you have no freedom. (Apple Ipad: easy to use, but limited freedom.)
USA (Android): You have the freedom to become a billionaire like bill gates or fail and land homeless in the streets. How good or bad your life is, is in your hands. (Android Note 10.1: You can do whatever your want and can do many things an Ipad can not. But, you can also root your device, do some error and brick it.)
The Ipad does not have a Pen!
Try to use a Note 10.1 with the Pen for a week and then tell us whether you can continue to live with a device without a Pen.
Get her the Ipad, if you get her the note 10.1 and see what its like she won't end up with a new tablet or you'll have to get another one...:laugh:
I use my note 10.1 for everything. It does everything the ipad does and more. You can customise it to how you like it and change the rom if it doesn't suit you or you aren't getting updates. Modding is easy and throw in the s-pen and you have a brilliant tablet. So I say, get your sister the Ipad or you'll end up with a new tablet and she'll be disappointed....:good:
legion1911 said:
It is a political question:
Do you prefer the former "Soviet Union" (Apple) or the USA (Android)?
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Iran's nuclear ambitions are a political question. As is Palestine vs. Israel and Pyongyang's lunacy du jour. Android vs. iOS is a practical question. Do you want your tablet experience to be easy, consistent and well defined out of the box with content spoon fed to you and in return give up some flexibility? If so, pick iOS. Do you want your tablet experience to allow for a high degree of customization and configuration with more content flexibility and in return you have to have a higher degree of technical knowledge and need to invest more time? Pick Android.
I'm committed to Android personally but consistently recommend iOS to my non-technical friends because for people that just want to do stuff without having to think about it iOS is a better choice. If someone asks me whether they should go with Android or iOS I hand them my phone or tablet and tell them to play with it. If after a few minutes they look totally confused I recommend iOS. If they get in to the menus and apps and start asking decent questions I recommend Android. Just because we personally enjoy and support Android doesn’t mean iOS isn’t a viable solution for quite a few people.
And the N10 is a train wreck. There are a ton of h/w and QC issues along with it using a barren AOSP interface designed for a phone. 4.2 still has tons of issues that haven’t been resolved yet. The number of people unhappy with the N10 is the highest I’ve seen for an Android tablet to date which is saying something because Asus’ tablets are no walk in the park. The N4’s got more than its share of issues including a rather serious thermal throttling problem when under extended load. Just because a Google device is “pure” and/or says “Nexus” on it doesn’t automatically make it good.
If your sister has any intention of using the tablet for just playing "games" or watching stuff online, you're better off getting her an iPad. You won't have to field any questions because she won't have this bias that the device is hard to use.
If your sister is the kind of person who likes to tweak her devices, do digital art, maybe take notes, you can't lose with the Note 10.1.
If I were you, I'd just stick them with the iPad because I hate getting complaints based on people's preconceived notion on how hard Android devices are to use.
BarryH_GEG said:
Iran's nuclear ambitions are a political question. As is Palestine vs. Israel and Pyongyang's lunacy du jour. Android vs. iOS is a practical question.
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You are wrong.
"I do not want a device that restricts my freedom and does not respect my privacy", "I do not want to give money to a company that produces devices that restrict freedom and do not respect privacy", "I do not want to buy products from a company that gets rich by exploiting poor Chinese workers" ARE political and ethical choices.
Just like "buying fair trade products", "not buying meat, because you do not want to kill animals", "not buying north-Korean/Iranian/Israeli" are political and ethical choices. Understand?
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Do you want your tablet experience to be easy, consistent and well defined out of the box with content spoon fed to you and in return give up some flexibility? If so, pick iOS. Do you want your tablet experience to allow for a high degree of customization and configuration with more content flexibility and in return you have to have a higher degree of technical knowledge and need to invest more time? Pick Android.
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I wrote almost the same.
But...
The amount of technical knowledge required to use STOCK samsung/android is not much higher then with an Ipad and your CAN invest time to do advanced stuff, but you do not have to. One can live fine also without root, cwm, overclocking, side-loading, ROM-flashing. My 70 year old "non technical" mother lives fine with a stock samsung android phone. She does not need an Iphone.
Stock samsung/android is very similar to iOS. We all know why.... because Android/Samsung copied it from Apple.
Just like Windows is a copy of the Apple Macintosh. So you recommend your "non technical friends" to buy Macintosh (iMac as they call them now) and not a Windows pc?
The comparison iOS/Android is exactly the same as Macintosh/Windows.
I do not underestimate the intelligence of my friends/family.
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Hello Note 10.1 users.
As stated, this is for my younger sister who just got out of college.
She's considering a tablet and I have a Note II which I love. I've always been an android user, since the nexus one (which she uses since i got the galaxy nexus).
When I'm reading online, even android websites say that android tablets are not on par w/ the iPad. I see that it's about the apps, but I feel like all the big apps are on android too, so I'm just confused.
Has anyone here had significant experience w/ one of the "new" ipads (3rd or 4th) that can offer their thoughts?
The reason I'm considering the Note 10.1 is because the only other 10 inch android tablet that seems good is the transformer infinity and their forums are just RIDDLED with problems, which I don't see Note 10.1 users having. So it seems to be the most stable 10 inch tablet on android.
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i have owned Note 10.1 for 5 months since it came to my country. screen is ****! real ****! u know it has the same screen as the first galaxy tab 10.1? YEAH! go for iPad 4! i will get the iPad 5 when it comes out, my first ever iOS device that i would own. i have used iPad 4 of my friend and it is really really great. my only grudge is that there is no file browser and everything has to be transferred through the iTunes. thats it! nothing else! go for iPad 4 it has the best screen and the best app support and the best of all, it has a great battery life and as a bonus a great resale value... hope u got my point
I gotta tell you, I've used Android and iOS for a long time. Still have an iPad 2 in the house and had an original iPad. I truly and honestly don't get why people continue to perpetuate this myth that Android is "hard to use" and "requires technical knowledge" as well as all the other comments about it that imply difficulty. I've actually found it to be the opposite. Android seems to just make sense to me. In iOS everything I try to do is a monumental pain in the ass. It seems even the most basic activities require going to all kinds of different places.
As for your sister, also consider "total cost of ownership" which goes way beyond the cost of the tablet itself. It seems to me that comparable iOS apps are generally more expensive...not to mention that if you get sucked into the iOS world you usually have to buy a tablet app and a phone app separately. Lots of Android apps work perfectly on a tablet and phone and look great so you really don't need 2 of the same app.
I would also suggest, unless she needs a stylus because she likes to draw or whatever, there are much less expensive and equally good options out there for far less money than the Note 10.1 or the iFad.
^^^ this. Replaced my wife's iphone 4 with a note 2. She asked me how to put her music on it. I told her to plug it into her laptop make a music folder on her sd card and drag her music into it. Her mouth dropped and said that's it?! I always had to work her iTunes for her and it annoyed the crap out of me. Glad she took my advice this time when she upgraded.
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I haven't ever owned an Apple device, but it's definitely not "easier to use" when I tried my friends' phones. I mean, the way people talk about Android stuff like you have to be a techie to use it.. Sure, you COULD geek out to do a lot of other stuff, but it's completely unnecessary. The only reason I know a little bit about geeking out is because I found the XDA forums for my first Android tablet and I wanted to do more than just browsing.
Take the note 10, about the interface of apple and how it is easy, you could install a launcher that will make it like the ipad or even windows phone
Done !!!
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With the Note 10.1 I was able to download a pdf, import it to SNote, fill out the pdf, exported the edited pdf to pdf and email it to the company that wanted me to print it out, write on it then scan it and after all that, email it back to them..
I'm not sure this can be done or not on an iPad for I have never owned an Apple product nor do I even want to own one
This is reason enough for me to say, purchase the Note 10.1
Got the note and my sister loves it! Thanks to you all
Refering to TheNextWeb
W’ve already seen leaks suggesting that Samsung is preparing a significant overhaul for TouchWiz, the user interface on its Android devices, and now the company has teased a set of new, streamlined and circular icons for it.
This teaser posted to Samsung’s blog and social media accounts shows a simplified set of icons which have been added to the media invitation for its Unpacked 5 event, where it seems likely the Galaxy S5 will be unveiled. The fitness and lifestyle icons may also be a nod to the Google Now-style alerts that last month’s leak suggested would arrive in TouchWiz.
Samsung hints at TouchWiz redesign with the latest teaser for its Unpacked 5 event
The event takes place in less than two weeks, so there’s not long to wait. TNW will be ring-side in Barcelona to bring you the latest as soon as it is announced.
Seems that Samsung is going to introduce new set of apps and some change in their icons pack
What is your opinion??
My opinion is that whatever they are doing, I won't be able to install it on my Galaxy s4 or note 10.1 2014 because they are idiots.
Sad but true.
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Who cares really...I take CheesewIZ off and use different launchers anyways.
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It doesn't matter what cosmetic changes they do, i've never spent more than a day using stock launchers on any Android tablet or phone i've ever owned from any manufacturer.
I've never seen anyone say anything favorable about Touchwiz. I just don't understand why they put so much time and effort into something no one likes. It looks like they brought in the designers from Windows XP. We would all get updates a lot faster if they just let Touchwiz die.
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I've never seen anyone say anything favorable about Touchwiz. I just don't understand why they put so much time and effort into something no one likes. It looks like they brought in the designers from Windows XP. We would all get updates a lot faster if they just let Touchwiz die.
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The reason TW exists is the same reason all OEM's offer overlays or unique features (EG: LG=Knock on, rear controls, HTC=BlinkFeed, BoomSound, Sony=unlimited content, waterproof, "G" cameras); they don't want to end up all looking the same and being Google's hardware-providing *****-slaves to their search marketing and content sales empire where all the money's made.
The last OS distribution report Google put out has 4.4 at 1.8% of deployed devices. That includes the N4, N5, N7, and N7-13 which are the highest selling Nexus devices. If you assume that at least 75% of Nexus owners upgraded to 4.4 as soon as they got the chance that means of the entire universe of Android devices less than 2.5% are "pure" by design; meaning people sought out Nexus because of its purity and even some of those may have chosen Nexus based on price. There's a reason there are rumors that Google may be exiting the Nexus business and moving to a "Play Edition" hardware model instead and why they took a loss on the sale of Motorola.
The answer to why TW and overlays exist is in what the other 97.5% of smartphone shoppers are buying and why. Here's a clue. 900MM smartphones were sold last year. There are 5.5M XDA members. What "enthusiasts" want doesn't necessarily reflect on the masses. And Samsung (53%) and Apple (56%) made 109% of mobile device profits last year. The number's greater than 100% because all the rest (including Google/Nexus/Motorola) lost money. So I wouldn't expect Samsung to dump their proprietary market-differentiating s/w anytime soon in spite of the single unsubstantiated rumor being spread by re/code that's been picked up Internet-wide. The tease of TW changes in the SGS5 Unpacked invitation and M-UX on the Pro tablets certainly don't indicate any change in Samsung's direction. And why would they change? Their making money and gaining market share (their margin dropped because the high-end's maturing but so did Apple's).
Personally, I like and use some of Samsung's unique s/w features and choose their devices because of them. I'm in this forum because of S Pen, S Note, and Multi View. Others, to your point, maybe not so much. People should buy what makes them happy but Android "purists" buying Samsung devices, especially the s/w heavy Note-series, and then complaining about it after the fact doesn't make a lot of sense. Perhaps lobbying Google to make a 10.1" Nexus "Note" with a pen and active digitizer would be time better spent.
You can see the return ui in the Note pro.
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I've already gave Samsung a piece of my mind on the topic, but one or a few persons isn't going to do it.
here's some facts to know beforehand:
SM-P600: Note 10.1 2014 Edition WIFI-ONLY (much older than Note Pro) received 5.1.1 update for various regions between early December 9th and January 16th
SM-T900: Tab Pro 12.2 WIFI-ONLY (same release date, cheaper product / lower paying customers) also received 5.1.1 updates Dec. 9 - Jan 16th
first, download the Samsung+ app if you don't have it already. go to the Support or Help Section, and start a Video Chat call (yes it works on Wi-Fi only). by default, the camera on your tab is off, if you wish for them to see you, you'll have to manually toggle it on during the call so don't worry about that. the video chat is U.S. based and almost always gets you a fluent English speaking agent capable of an intelligent conversation. the regular phone line is more likely to land you in India or Mexico and no speak ingles thank you for choose Samsung business appreciate come again byebye! or tangle you up in departments that either have no involvement in software support or have no way to pass along your thoughts.
next, proceed to complain either politely or passionately, whichever fits your fancy, about the lack of updates for (give the exact model number SM-P900) our tab.
be prepared, they will try in many ways to tell you there's nothing they can do or redirect the conversation to have you go check for newer software / how to check for newer software so they can get you off the call. we already know what the newest is and how to check. we're not stupid! ROUND TWO, FIGHT!
tell them how (use the model numbers and names) the older/cheaper devices already got 5.1.1 almost half a year ago. they will try to tell you that the carriers or some other entity are responsible for handling updates. WIFI ONLY devices get their updates from Samsung, not a 3rd party. don't let them end the call so easily! they may also try telling you that a 3rd party updated the other tabs. reassure them you're comparing apples-to-apples, Wi-Fi tabs to Wi-Fi tabs.
ROUND THREE! expect to hear something about their update support being designed to end at a time that encourages customers to purchase a new device. every new Wi-Fi tab Samsung has released after the Note Pro (and is planning to release through the end of the year 2016 http://tabletmonkeys.com/new-tablets/) are either 1. budget devices with lesser hardware in one category or another (which are for a different kind of customer), or 2. run different operating systems (windows, also for different kinds of customers), or 3. both
make it known how despicable it is to try and force us to new devices "even if the specs were better, which isn't the case" and that you insist your feedback gets noted and passed on to Relations and all other involved departments.
feel free to share if you have done this, you will have my thanks and that of many others
This won't work. The device is probably going to hit eol soon. But I tried anyway. I did a video call with Samsung support the through the Samsung+ app. The support agent was polite and gave me the same answers and I gave my response.
He also suggested to leave a bad review on the Samsung product page but that won't do anything. I'm pretty sure we are stuck with 5.0.1 or hopefully the developers can port other versions of Android to this device.
working or not, it's one of few avenues we got
DarkManX4lf said:
I'm pretty sure we are stuck with 5.0.1 or hopefully the developers can port other versions of Android to this device.
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We have unofficial Marshmallow builds. This one is works well if you don't care about the camera (which I've always found pointless on a giant tablet): http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...t/rom-cyanogenmod-13-0-android-6-0-1-t3366834
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We have unofficial Marshmallow builds. This one is works well if you don't care about the camera (which I've always found pointless on a giant tablet): http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...t/rom-cyanogenmod-13-0-android-6-0-1-t3366834
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Yes I saw that. However most of the time when I use CM I've always noticed that there are some issues. I might give this a try at some point.
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Yes I saw that. However most of the time when I use CM I've always noticed that there are some issues. I might give this a try at some point.
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What are the issues that you see? They can't be fixed unless the dev knows it is an issue.
Not particularly with this device but on other devices I've seen random reboots.
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100% agree with this kind of initiatives !
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You know, I was looking for official updates for our SM-P900. And I came across this. My opinion is that we always have the best option: learn from our mistakes, never do it again and move on. With that said, we all paid good money for that "premium" tablet. And since day one I felt I was going to pay dearly for having to buy another Samsung product. And sure s**t, I did. Which happens to be my last Samsung device. I forced myself to look for other products and was actually pleasantly surprised to find others. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, maybe the market is more mature, maybe I spent my money more wisely.
Note 5 for my wife and this SM-P900 were last Samsung devices we bought so it was a while back. Without realizing it, we went with 2 Sony android TVs when we could have bought Samsung TVs. We bought Rokus for older TVs. I bought a Nexus 6P to replace my Note 3 last year. We bought LG washer and dryer. Also LG fridge. And it feels good to not give them any more money.
And every dog has its day: Note 7.
Don't get me wrong Sterist, I truly admire your enthusiasm. I have been there. I am an IT Director with 20 years of experience so I came across very expensive pieces of hardware for a very long time. But it's good that we start growing a spine and start to really stick to them and mean it. I'm not a fan of anything. I don't discriminate. And today I recommend people to buy what's reliable. Usually Apple. When you have employees who constantly ask you personal questions about what to buy and you don't want to hear they complain weeks later after they bought what you recommended, well, you get smart and recommend whatever is going to help so they don't come back to haunt you.
(deep inside I am pissed like you and others about the SM-P900 and lack of support or for Samsung to just sit around like they always do for the EOL of this device)
Except for maybe security updates, this device doesn't need updating. Updates usually screw something up like the last update that borked the external keyboard until they released another update to fix. It's is still a great product and does everything I want it to do. If you think apple stuff may be better then go ahead and buy their stuff but expect to pay more. Recommending apple products on a samsung tablet forum is not cool.
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Except for maybe security updates, this device doesn't need updating. Updates usually screw something up like the last update that borked the external keyboard until they released another update to fix. It's is still a great product and does everything I want it to do. If you think apple stuff may be better then go ahead and buy their stuff but expect to pay more. Recommending apple products on a samsung tablet forum is not cool.
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Not necessarily. There are some more tweaks and updates that this tablet could use. Or at least thats what I think.
I have to say that buying this tablet when I did I though it would at least get upgraded to v6. The device is capable of so much more. I am using the unofficial CM 14.1 and mostly its very good. But as previous people have mentioned there are a few things that don't seem to work. The Microphone is one of them. The screen resolution is awesome using CM14.1!!
The hardware was ahead of the capability of the OS so updates should of been worked on.
It was good value but without the updates the timescale of that value is too short, If I had shelled out a bit more for something else I would have an updated OS which could make better use of the hardware underneath and the value would have applied over a longer period in reality making it cheaper. This experience has change my view on Samsung products. When I can finally put down money for a new tablet, I will be definitively be looking elsewhere for a brand that supports their products for longer.
I recently bought this tablet second hand because I wanted a premium tablet with the S Pen but I wasn't willing to wait/spend on the Tab S3. At the time, I didn't realize how old the Note Pro actually was so I was disappointed to find out that it's stuck on Lollipop (granted, my fault for not researching this first). Like dstote above, I figured Samsung would at least support it until Marshmallow considering the hardware specs. What a shame.
Of course, this then brought me to xda. I immediately flashed Lineage 14 but realized I really wanted TouchWiz back (never thought I'd say that). Next I tried Carbon which is a modified stock ROM. It worked well and was much faster than stock but I lost 5GHz wifi access--presumably because it was intended for the P901. I then settled on the Bussybox build which has been working great. The only issue is the occasional random reboot which I'm hoping gets ironed out in future builds. Here's hoping someone puts together a TouchWiz Nougat build because I'm not holding my breath for Samsung to do it.
In my case I bought the SM-P900 because I travel a lot and wanted something to work on (including sketching/ drawing), watch movies on, keep in touch with family and friends on and something that, being a premium product, Samsung would support.
The hardware is far more capable than the OS and the unfortunate thing is the lack of S Pen support in most of the custom builds. Until this device I'd had a Galaxy S2,3,4 & 5 and a couple of Samsung TV's. I now have an LG phone, 2 LG TV's and LG fridge - Not because they are any better (you've only got to look at their track record with updates) but because they offer better value for money - We also have 2 Motorola and an Oppo phone in the house - All of the samsungs are stuck in a drawer with various flavours of lineage or CM on them as back ups. Apple - not for me - it's too locked down - but at least it's well supported.
Vote with your wallets, it's clearly the only thing Samsung understand.