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Is there a way to bring the flash video support from the HTC Hero to other android devices like the Samsung Moment. I love the device< but it sucks in that it does not have browser flash support.
The hero has only limited flash support(flash lite i think), so its better without it, until adobe flash 10 pro hits mobile android devices. I've played around with the browser, the only flash that worked was HTC's website
Flash is very poorly implemented on ther Hero, honestly it wouldn't be worth porting even if it was possible (it would be pretty hard to port the full ROM - which you'd have to do - as there would be all sorts of driver issues).
Just wait for full flash support coming early next year.
ok. This is my first Android device. So far I like it. I have bben using windows mobile for 5 years. I miss my wmwifirouter and skyfire.
Hi to everyone on this forum,
I'm here to ask for help!
I'm a Motorola Cliq owner, it's called Dext here in UK. Basically Orange reduced this phone in UK and it's selling like hot cakes and I'm sure it sells decent around the globe. It’s a mid-range phone with physical qwerty keyboard.
It uses the Android 1.5 version! Even though it's only 8 months old Motorola are refusing to confirm the Android 2.1 Eclair update. Here is the official Motorola forum where there are many complaints from us customers wanting the 2.1 update. Read on after the first couple of pages to see the complaints: [turns out I can't post links because I'm new, you can go to Motorola support pages and click on Motorola Cliq to see]
I'd like to know if you can help us out since you're such a kind community! Can you help us root this phone and put the Android 2.1 or even the 2.2 update to it when the Manufacturer (Motorola) and network carriers (Orange) are letting us down? Much appreciated. Mani.
Edit: Motorola have locked the official support thread because of the complaints about it! You can still view the thread though.
Hi, there is no release date for 2.1 on Dext (this means Cliq outside US), on the other hand there is release date for 2.1 on Cliq, that is Q2 2010 (from what I recall).
So far for US Cliq there's a 1.4.8 radio release and I think in UK there is only 1.3.20, so latest releases are not compatible, however you can root your phone with a compatible version and look for a custom ROM (like Handler's that include flash!!).
Take a look at this forum, it's for CLIQ/Dext and there is a lot of info.
http://www.modmymoto.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=399
Thanks cortinag but that Website is pointless for getting a newer version of Android, it only seems to have firmwares from other countries...
Can anyone please tell me the difficulties of porting the Android 2.2 Froyo to the Motorola Cliq/Dext? I'd like to know this since it uses quite a popular CPU and has a good amount of ROM and RAM. This should mean porting is made easier right?
You can see the spec below:
Qualcomm MSM7201A 528 MHz processor
1 GB storage, 256MB RAM, 512MB ROM
There is no theoretical problem getting 2.1 on the dext. However, you'd probably have more luck getting 1.6 running as there's more of a chance backporting the 1.5 drivers for the phone's hardware (cpu is just one component); at least you'd get 2X as many apps available in andro store. A good starting point would be one of the CM roms. The phones are relatively easy to root, instructions @ unlocker. Only unusual feature is with motoblur hooking quite deep into the system, tbh, I'd love a blur free rom for the dext/cliq. Blur is just memory hogging garbage imho. Our biggest problem is that until one of the Devs purchases a dext/cliq (unlikely now as it is pretty much obsolete and you can get a much better phone for the money) there's no one to develop the ROM.
The small business I manage IT for has 2 WinMo, 6 iPhones and 5 androids, one of them a Dext. The obsolete os on it has been a pita for me ever since our marketer came back from UK with one. Moto doesn't look like they are going to upgrade it, none of the blur phones look likely to; they just push the dates back and back, stonewalling on the forums. Our employee has chosen to switch to an iPhone. Sweet, makes my life easier; another person turned off Android by Motorola's arse-hattery.
consolation said:
There is no theoretical problem getting 2.1 on the dext. However, you'd probably have more luck getting 1.6 running as there's more of a chance backporting the 1.5 drivers for the phone's hardware (cpu is just one component); at least you'd get 2X as many apps available in andro store. A good starting point would be one of the CM roms. The phones are relatively easy to root, instructions @ unlocker. Only unusual feature is with motoblur hooking quite deep into the system, tbh, I'd love a blur free rom for the dext/cliq. Blur is just memory hogging garbage imho. Our biggest problem is that until one of the Devs purchases a dext/cliq (unlikely now as it is pretty much obsolete and you can get a much better phone for the money) there's no one to develop the ROM.
The small business I manage IT for has 2 WinMo, 6 iPhones and 5 androids, one of them a Dext. The obsolete os on it has been a pita for me ever since our marketer came back from UK with one. Moto doesn't look like they are going to upgrade it, none of the blur phones look likely to; they just push the dates back and back, stonewalling on the forums. Our employee has chosen to switch to an iPhone. Sweet, makes my life easier; another person turned off Android by Motorola's arse-hattery.
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Wow. Perfect and well-informed answer/advice. Although not pertinent to me, I must say thank you for taking the time out to help people who are new to this or just learning.
There is one tool called Scout by gsmserver.com I have used it in the USA and flashed my cliq to the 2.1 works flawless and with more features notebly free FM Radio, activating your cliq with out the carrier internet service - awesome
Hello. Full Tilt poker today released a mobile client for android, which is very exciting for me. Only problem is that is uses flash.
Do any of the roms on here for the vogue support flash at all? I'd really like to play without getting a legit android phone.
Thank you
edit: also, I currently am running worm donut off the sd card. My card isn't big enough to do a full install. Am I out of luck?
ok i seriously just answered this question on here like a day ago
the answer is no and their likely will never be flash on any of our phones, due to the hardware acceleration used it needs to be compiled for each phone. we are not on the list that made it and the source is owned by adobe so their is no way to compile it without doing something highly illegal.
even if we did manage to get flash on it and working performance would be poor at best
For those who have tried, is the CM7 alpha worth replacing the stock Glacier ROM? What are the benefits over the current stock HTC Sense ROM? What's missing or not quite there?
Wrong Section, good question though
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App
Cm7 nightlies - no longer CM7 alpha
It's true that this is probably the wrong section and I'm a noob too but before they bring in the new rules about minimum postings in the developer section, I'll throw in my ten cents.
Background:
US T-Mobile version of Mytouch4G and had no reason to be unhappy with the stock Rom but just love to scratch an itch and see what happens.
In the pursuit of seeing what happens I successfully rooted the phone to the point of permanent S=off (but not complete unlock as I have no need for that yet)
and over the course of the last few weeks systematically installed and tested three of the froyo builds/ports available on this forum.
Each have their strengths and weakness which are clearly listed so I wont catalogue the details I'll just say the following:
It's a lotta lotta fun! there was a geek in me waiting to get out and I finally see what the true potential is with this platform (android) - It's probably unlimited.
Aside from the philosophical point of wanting to have the freedom to do whatever with and put whatever you want on the device, that rooting facilitates (I’m a veteran of two generation of iphones), there is also that practical point that rooting does unlock the full potential of the device available right now which includes a host of apps already on the market only for rooted devices.
I don’t want to go into all those possibilities here because they are covered in detail in any google search but let’s just say that once you’re on the other side of the proverbial fence, the grass really is greener.
I know I’m being vague at this point, but let me continue a little longer.
Having also owned a number of windows based htc devices through 2005-2008 I’m no stranger to htc sense and some of the useful little gadgets that they seem to have evolved to a fairly decent level in android and I’ll say this:
Take away the surface veneer which is not as bad in the MT4G as in some others (bloatware) and you find that the meat and potatoes of the platform/operating system is all android.
And it runs MUCH better without the crap. – forget about overclocking (which helps and is fun) loose the veneer and the device flies.
And what you lose in the process – a couple of apps – you replace immediately with comparable ones for free down at the market.
So – phone runs better, can do more, has a host of better looking ui’s and themes that all the talented developers on this forum are constantly pushing out – then what about the risks?
I haven’t had a single hitch – not one.
I’m as impulsive as the next guy but I just took it steady with the information overload – carefully rooted the phone and from there, flashing one rom after another has become no more complicated than booting into recovery – case closed.
It’s become second nature.
And I’ve had to do a double take once or twice when something didn’t play out exactly as described but I’ve discovered that I had overlooked a detail here and there and it’s an easy fix.
Point being that there are constant warnings and disclaimers for obvious reasons, but my device at least has turned out to be very hardy – no scares here.
So finally, I’ve been eyeing developments in the gingerbread camp like everyone else and I’ve been wary of the alpha builds because my zero level of expertise keeps me from playing in that league and I see early this morning that an official CM7 release is out for my model the glacier.
At first I run I into problems flashing Clockworkmod to 3.0 and even try to flash the rom and boot from 2.5 with the predictable conclusion of a stuck boot loop all the while not really knowing what to expect from this ginger hype and whether it’s really worth the trouble of leaving my now very stable cooked froyo rom.
Someone then creates the thread a few lines up describing how to simply use rom manager to install the update for CWM 3.0 and at 2am I’m on my way.
I flash the rom and install the additional google apps and what do I find?
GINGERBREAD IS **** HOT!
Nuff said.
I won’t be overclocking it as a rule but I get 2805 on quadrant – previous high being in the 2500’s (each chip is actually different so I’ve heard that everyones score will vary)
The device has no lags, splutters, and runs quite literally incredibly.
and the look and feel of gingerbread? – I’ll add to what I said earlier – it’s amazing – it’s a moving graphical, visual feast.
It will seriously rain on apple’s parade when this thing hits the main stream and I think quite honestly that it’s the greatest mobile device operating system ever created.
I know I’m gushing but it really is that good and considerably more impressive than froyo while having the same core navigation and other functionality.
I won’t be going back.
I won’t endorse taking risks with your device but I’ll say it’s worth taking a look.
A few afterthoughts for those asking the questions:
There is a brand new version of the market packaged with the 20110115 version of the larger gapps file floating around on this forum – it also rocks!
Although most apps available on the market have not yet been updated for gb 2.3, they all work so far on my machine with one or two unimportant exeptions.
I’ve replaced all sense functionality with free apps off the market – no loss there.
The device runs smoothly and all functionality is tested and working in the latest release - great job guys doing the work here.
Long and the short of it being …it’s all good.
hope that helps.
Definitely worth a flash to try yourself. I mean it's CyanogenMod so how could it not be good?
Sent from my HTC Glacier using Tapatalk
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For those who have tried, is the CM7 alpha worth replacing the stock Glacier ROM? What are the benefits over the current stock HTC Sense ROM? What's missing or not quite there?
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You would be very surprised at how extremely stable these roms are. I've been running them for a few weeks now and they're definitely stable enough to be your daily driver.
The main thing to consider is that Sense is a highly customized ROM while CyanogenMod is based on Pure Google with some additional configurations available.
Try it out, it's pretty easy to go back if you don't like it. For a while there I was nandroiding back and forth between Sense and CM6 about twice a week, lol.
CM7 some after thoughts
Continuing from my earlier post, I thought I would head off a few questions about observable differences in gingerbread - well the CM7 incarnation:
Android market loads and populates faster.
The wireless radio picks up signals/networks faster and connects gracefully and quickly.
All aspects of the functionality of the whole system and each individual app seems to be smoother and more efficient.
Youtube no longer has that annoying glitch coming out of landscape.
My new 16bg class 6 mini sdhc card finally works and no longer gives me the blank card or damaged card bull crap every time I unmount or remount from usb mode – didn’t expect that one and had resigned myself to going back to the stock 8gb card it shipped with.
The app drawer pops out at you in what seems like 3d while leaving the background wallpaper intact. – so the app drawer just floats while you scroll through it.
Every aspect of the device and systems are customizable – I mean everything – probably in part due to the efforts of the CM7 team.
The stock gingerbread phone dialer app is changed for the better and is obviously one of many enhancements including the ability to program your sip (voip) settings straight into the phone doing away with third party apps altogether to make or receive calls (if you’re into voip)
You’ll have to dig around to find the .apk for the stock car/navigation mode app and I solved that riddle by downloading the free android app(car home) from the market and also installing a third party app (car mode control) which is used to launch it – I’ve been lazy and haven’t investigated yet whether it’s actually necessary to have the go between, but it works.
and swype, if you want it, can be downloaded direct from the guys that developed it at the beta.swype page (wasn't allowed to post the link) - by simply registering to test the latest beta, which is better than in the stock MT4G rom.
Someone report the first post to have this moved.
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Whosdaman said:
Someone report the first post to have this moved.
Sent from my SPH-D700 using XDA App
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Didn't realize it had to be reported. I always assumed that because you're a mod you can do whatever the hell you want.
Well in your case just pick current RC fork from repository and use it normally you don't have to wait for the SR fork. Unless you are dev I don't see why you would want to flash it every night unless you understand basic and even in that case weekly might be fine. I been there done that as flashing new rom everyday as it came down the pipe I tried few CM7A few times let the dev do more work as ill make that my rom when SR is out, ATM have IGv1.1.6 as I flashed it this afternoon.
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For those who have tried, is the CM7 alpha worth replacing the stock Glacier ROM? What are the benefits over the current stock HTC Sense ROM? What's missing or not quite there?
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If you thought your phone was fast out of the box, this is faster. If you thought it was a bit laggy (like me), it's like getting a brand new phone.
Also, having better experiences with CM7 GB on MT4G than I ever did on my Nexus S. This is saying a lot.
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Also, having better experiences with CM7 GB on MT4G than I ever did on my Nexus S. This is saying a lot.
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Same for me. Such a smoother experience all around.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using Tapatalk
I just flashed & I must say it is a much smoother expericence. I love it & its not even a stable build.
matkam said:
For those who have tried, is the CM7 alpha worth replacing the stock Glacier ROM? What are the benefits over the current stock HTC Sense ROM? What's missing or not quite there?
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Is this your first Android phone? Have you ever played with a Pure Google Experience Android phone? If you're nervous about the CM7 builds, try CM6. Easier to flash since you don't need to manually flash the recovery and it will give you a feel for CyanogenMod and the Pure Android feel.
Think of the G2, that comes with plain Android right out of the box. Go to a T-mobile store and poke around with it to see if you like it.
I simply cannot stand the HTC Sense stuff... Personal preference.
I had CM6.1 for a couple weeks and I am VERY happy with it. I am waiting another week or so to start using the CM7 builds just because I have been too busy with other stuff.
neuralboy said:
It's true that this is probably the wrong section and I'm a noob too but before they bring in the new rules about minimum postings in the developer section, I'll throw in my ten cents.
Background:
US T-Mobile version of Mytouch4G and had no reason to be unhappy with the stock Rom but just love to scratch an itch and see what happens.
In the pursuit of seeing what happens I successfully rooted the phone to the point of permanent S=off (but not complete unlock as I have no need for that yet)
and over the course of the last few weeks systematically installed and tested three of the froyo builds/ports available on this forum.
Each have their strengths and weakness which are clearly listed so I wont catalogue the details I'll just say the following:
It's a lotta lotta fun! there was a geek in me waiting to get out and I finally see what the true potential is with this platform (android) - It's probably unlimited.
Aside from the philosophical point of wanting to have the freedom to do whatever with and put whatever you want on the device, that rooting facilitates (I’m a veteran of two generation of iphones), there is also that practical point that rooting does unlock the full potential of the device available right now which includes a host of apps already on the market only for rooted devices.
I don’t want to go into all those possibilities here because they are covered in detail in any google search but let’s just say that once you’re on the other side of the proverbial fence, the grass really is greener.
I know I’m being vague at this point, but let me continue a little longer.
Having also owned a number of windows based htc devices through 2005-2008 I’m no stranger to htc sense and some of the useful little gadgets that they seem to have evolved to a fairly decent level in android and I’ll say this:
Take away the surface veneer which is not as bad in the MT4G as in some others (bloatware) and you find that the meat and potatoes of the platform/operating system is all android.
And it runs MUCH better without the crap. – forget about overclocking (which helps and is fun) loose the veneer and the device flies.
And what you lose in the process – a couple of apps – you replace immediately with comparable ones for free down at the market.
So – phone runs better, can do more, has a host of better looking ui’s and themes that all the talented developers on this forum are constantly pushing out – then what about the risks?
I haven’t had a single hitch – not one.
I’m as impulsive as the next guy but I just took it steady with the information overload – carefully rooted the phone and from there, flashing one rom after another has become no more complicated than booting into recovery – case closed.
It’s become second nature.
And I’ve had to do a double take once or twice when something didn’t play out exactly as described but I’ve discovered that I had overlooked a detail here and there and it’s an easy fix.
Point being that there are constant warnings and disclaimers for obvious reasons, but my device at least has turned out to be very hardy – no scares here.
So finally, I’ve been eyeing developments in the gingerbread camp like everyone else and I’ve been wary of the alpha builds because my zero level of expertise keeps me from playing in that league and I see early this morning that an official CM7 release is out for my model the glacier.
At first I run I into problems flashing Clockworkmod to 3.0 and even try to flash the rom and boot from 2.5 with the predictable conclusion of a stuck boot loop all the while not really knowing what to expect from this ginger hype and whether it’s really worth the trouble of leaving my now very stable cooked froyo rom.
Someone then creates the thread a few lines up describing how to simply use rom manager to install the update for CWM 3.0 and at 2am I’m on my way.
I flash the rom and install the additional google apps and what do I find?
GINGERBREAD IS **** HOT!
Nuff said.
I won’t be overclocking it as a rule but I get 2805 on quadrant – previous high being in the 2500’s (each chip is actually different so I’ve heard that everyones score will vary)
The device has no lags, splutters, and runs quite literally incredibly.
and the look and feel of gingerbread? – I’ll add to what I said earlier – it’s amazing – it’s a moving graphical, visual feast.
It will seriously rain on apple’s parade when this thing hits the main stream and I think quite honestly that it’s the greatest mobile device operating system ever created.
I know I’m gushing but it really is that good and considerably more impressive than froyo while having the same core navigation and other functionality.
I won’t be going back.
I won’t endorse taking risks with your device but I’ll say it’s worth taking a look.
A few afterthoughts for those asking the questions:
There is a brand new version of the market packaged with the 20110115 version of the larger gapps file floating around on this forum – it also rocks!
Although most apps available on the market have not yet been updated for gb 2.3, they all work so far on my machine with one or two unimportant exeptions.
I’ve replaced all sense functionality with free apps off the market – no loss there.
The device runs smoothly and all functionality is tested and working in the latest release - great job guys doing the work here.
Long and the short of it being …it’s all good.
hope that helps.
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Where did you see a link for an official CM7 release for this phone?!?!
Q.Entity said:
I simply cannot stand the HTC Sense stuff... Personal preference.
I had CM6.1 for a couple weeks and I am VERY happy with it. I am waiting another week or so to start using the CM7 builds just because I have been too busy with other stuff.
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You know that's how I felt when I bought the phone. I kept thinking about returning it for a G2 just to get plain Android. Ironically, by the time I finally rooted my phone and flashed CM6, Sense had grown on me to the point that I kept nandroiding back and using it by choice. Ha!
Now I've been on cm7 for a few days and I'm pretty happy with it.
CM7 official nightlies
I can't post a link out but the link to the CM7 builds is usually towards the top of the mytouch 4G Android Developement forum page.
It's constantly being updated and it looks like the latest build takes care of a number of little issues including swype, google car home and maybe the apps pack too
To those voting not to flash, have you tried CM7? What's keeping you from being happy with it?
I just flashed it myself and am pretty happy with it. The experience is much more consistent than the stock Sense ROM, gingerbread is really fast/smooth, and CM7 adds a lot of options for customization. Wifi isn't working though.
matkam said:
To those voting not to flash, have you tried CM7? What's keeping you from being happy with it?
I just flashed it myself and am pretty happy with it. The experience is much more consistent than the stock Sense ROM, gingerbread is really fast/smooth, and CM7 adds a lot of options for customization. Wifi isn't working though.
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Reboot for wifi to work.
BTW, CM7 is slick as an iced glacier.
Sent from my HTC Glacier using XDA App
neuralboy said:
GINGERBREAD IS **** HOT!
Nuff said.
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This has got to be the biggest fanboism i've every heard on any forum. Gingerbread is not that different from FroYo. It looks the same it feels. it acts the same.
To the OP If you want to flash the most current baked variant of Android then by all means flash away. If not FroYo will serve your needs just fine.
TL;DR: Basically, here is a challenge to all XDA developers: Disprove HTC's statement that ICS updates will require repartitioning or factory reset. If we succeed, HTC will be stuck in a rock and a hard place.
We're getting a major uproar and petition over HTC's refusal to update the Desire HD, and all we get from it is a statement from a PR team giving us these reasons:
For more background, due to how storage on the HTC Desire HD is partitioned – and the larger size of Android 4.0 – it would require re-partitioning device storage and overwriting user data in order to install this update. While technically advanced users might find this solution acceptable, the majority of customers would not. We also considered ways to reduce the overall size of the software package, but this would impact features and functionality that customers are currently using. Even after installing the update, there were other technical limitations which we felt negatively impacted the user experience.
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For the uninitiated journalist, it seems legit. I mean, we all had to do a factory wipe before trying out XDA's ICS ROMs, right?
However, I don't think a single person on this forum has had to repartition their system to get even Sense 4 ICS, much less Sense 3 ICS working well. And if they had to drop a feature from gingerbread stock to update, just what kind of massive bloatware are they adding in?
I question the validity of this statement, and many others on XDA feel the same. But if we don't counter their argument, the general public will just grudgingly accept it.
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So, XDA, here is a list of challenges for you to complete.
1. Create a Sense 3 ICS ROM within the existing partition size that keeps all existing functionality from the stock Desire HD.
2. Try a test case where we flash over a 2.3 stock ROM with that ROM without data loss or factory reset.
The other challenges are nice touches, but the first two will be enough to reveal the fallacy of their statements.
3. (if needed) Create a method to repartition the user and system data through OTA update
4. Provide examples of phones with similar specs or partitioning scheme that have been successfully updated to ICS, or at least have promises
5. (EXTRA CHALLENGE) Provide an example of a phone that has an OTA update that repartitions the internal memory
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Here are some useful notes that I or other users here have brought up:
1. We will need to find or create a stock-quality ICS ROM that retains all functionality of the existing gingerbread stock, and adds even more apps to accentuate the point. The stock Incredible S ICS ROM is a good start. Better yet, I haven't seen a single rom on this forum that goes over the limit.
2. Factory resets are recommended when switching ROM types, but I think it will be okay to go without for stock ROMS.
3. Take a look at Libparted from Linux, it is constantly used for repartitioning without risking data loss and has been used to good effect on other devices.
4. The Incredible S currently has ICS rolling out, and it is very similar, down to the system partition which is only larger by 3.5 KiB. Why this and not the Desire HD?
5. This is the only truly difficult challenge here, repartitioning in an OTA update is something that has not been done before in recent memory. If you can't find it, create a method to repartition.
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Just for kicks, what is the real reason that HTC isn't updating? A combination of cost and planned obsolescence. The reality is that system updates for smartphones cost a lot to make and get FCC certification. Then the update has to be up to standards unlike our custom ROMs. With the amount of phones they have thrown out into the market, that adds up to a massive sum.
Finally, keeping phones updated just doesn't make sense to shareholders or the CFO, who have to justify going above and beyond to give more features to old phones when 1) HTC has sold you everything they advertised, 2) Few other manufacturers do the same, and 3) It dissuades customers from paying more for the latest and greatest. HTC did not sell you an upgrade service, they sold you a phone designed for Android 2.2.
The importance of software updates are a new thing to a company that was built on hardware innovation. But this is not acceptable in the modern market, one that is undergoing a worldwide recession, and one that demands powerful new software over expensive hardware. Unless they, and the other manufacturers find a solution, HTC's dated business model will lead it to certain destruction.
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I would try and contribute directly, but my main phone is an HTC HD2, and all I have is my grandfather's Inspire 4G, who happens to be away on a cruise in Alaska.
Totally disagree
I am totally disagree to you as what you are saying is not going to bring us nothing. Let the devs work on their started projects and ignore HTC for the future.
antonizoon said:
TL;DR: Basically, here is a challenge to all XDA developers: Disprove HTC's statement that ICS updates will require repartitioning or factory reset. If we succeed, HTC will be stuck in a rock and a hard place.
So, XDA, here is a list of challenges for you to complete.
1. Create a Sense 3 ICS ROM within the existing partition size that keeps all existing functionality from the stock Desire HD.
2. Try a test case where we flash over a 2.3 stock ROM with that ROM without data loss or factory reset.
The other challenges are nice touches, but the first two will be enough to reveal the fallacy of their statements.
3. (if needed) Create a method to repartition the user and system data through OTA update
4. Provide examples of phones with similar specs or partitioning scheme that have been successfully updated to ICS, or at least have promises
5. (EXTRA CHALLENGE) Provide an example of a phone that has an OTA update that repartitions the internal memory
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LOL that seems like a good idea, call htc on their bluff!
I might give it a try, it shouldn't be too hard to do. Just put back a stock ruu, install a stock (ported) ics from sxl/ds/Inc's with bloat without wipe, done!
Edit: although wisperhack is correct, it's not going to make htc change their mind it is okay for a bit of fun
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scaryshark said:
LOL that seems like a good idea, call htc on their bluff!
I might give it a try, it shouldn't be too hard to do. Just put back a stock ruu, install a stock (ported) ics from sxl/ds/Inc's with bloat without wipe, done!
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You will prove nothing. They refer to send ICS over GB.
whiperhack said:
I am totally disagree to you as what you are saying is not going to bring us nothing. Let the devs work on their started projects and ignore HTC for the future.
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Let each person/dev decide what they want to do. Besides, if someone does manage to do it, it's bad PR for them. If someone wants to take this upon themselves, they are free.
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lol it would be better to work on the camcoder bugfix rather than to port sense 3 with ICS...
whiperhack said:
I am totally disagree to you as what you are saying is not going to bring us nothing. Let the devs work on their started projects and ignore HTC for the future.
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While you might be right, that HTC will not even respond to the attempt, I strongly support it, since dropping ICS on a worthy Desire HD sets a bad precedent for their policies in the future. Our petition means little if HTC convinces enough end users that ICS will lose their data or features, as they seem to be grudgingly accepting.
I am not demanding that developers take their time away from their existing projects, (in fact, if you are working on other things, just skip this challenge entirely) I am asking that we show HTC and the users that OTA ICS updates can be installed safely without even bothering with repartitioning, as we've been doing for years on end.
I will try this challenge out myself as a long-awaited first foray into ROM development, as soon as I have a chance.
shad0wboss said:
lol it would be better to work on the camcoder bugfix rather than to port sense 3 with ICS...
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It would be, but repackaging a ROM and fixing driver problems are different beasts. Also, I'm not all that in favor of taking extra work to port Sense 3 ICS either (Sense 4 ICS would be okay too), just that it would be closer to HTC's projected plan like the Incredible S and Sensation XL.
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It would be, but repackaging a ROM and fixing driver problems are different beasts. Also, I'm not all that in favor of taking extra work to port Sense 3 ICS either (Sense 4 ICS would be okay too), just that it would be closer to HTC's projected plan like the Incredible S and Sensation XL.
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Mate, those multinational companies aren't affected by anything. Even if they loose 30,000 - 40,000 HTC members, they would have millions who actually received ICS update and would definitely go for another HTC phone...
A custom rom will prove nothing. The fact that a GB rom can be overwritten by an ICS one is proved by HTC themselves by upgrading other models. What we need to do is compare directly the partitions of the DHD with same specced devices that run ICS, like the Desire S and the Incredible S. If their system partitions are similar in size to ours, we prove again that HTC is lying.
The thing is, IMO we should not fight for the update that much. We should bring this to the attention of the media and not only tech sites. The consumers must know how blatantly HTC are lying to the consumers. People must learn who they are and stop supporting them for false promises.
Personally I don't care that much about the update anymore. AOSPX is stable enough for my daily needs and by discovering their lies on top of their attempt to cover them with more lies makes me sick of that company.
Let's join forces to protect innocent consumers around the world before they discover HTC's lies the same way we do and also protect people who won't be able to understand their lies and fall in their traps to buy new hardware when it's not needed.
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tbh this idea is really good but we cant do anything about htc releasing or not relasing the rom
developers over here are more dedicated to work,in my opinion,then to prove something to other..
as said by another member that htc is multinational company blah blah,that a fact and i agree with since htc still still didnot lose me as customer coz i love htc sense and i cant do anything about it desire hd is an old device if we still look at other devices of that time and same proce we would see that they are mostly discontinued on froyo or gingerbread , as far as the idea is concerned let just hope and pray that the rom we want is perfect and finished bug free quickly ,(insha'allah),very little people on htc followers are used custom roms so it not a good idea to just make a rom which is quite difficult to make and which would have no affect on the company
Iam not saying that they should stop but just my opinion on this idea i would also love to see this being completed but y just not focus on devices and roms blah blah blah
thanks guys and just pray that the roms are 100 % completed and bug free
good luck to them working hard
p.s iam no developer just a noob
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What we need to do is compare directly the partitions of the DHD with same specced devices that run ICS, like the Desire S and the Incredible S. If their system partitions are similar in size to ours, we prove again that HTC is lying.
The thing is, IMO we should not fight for the update that much. We should bring this to the attention of the media and not only tech sites. The consumers must know how blatantly HTC are lying to the consumers. People must learn who they are and stop supporting them for false promises.
Personally I don't care that much about the update anymore. AOSPX is stable enough for my daily needs and by discovering their lies on top of their attempt to cover them with more lies makes me sick of that company.
Let's join forces to protect innocent consumers around the world before they discover HTC's lies the same way we do and also protect people who won't be able to understand their lies and fall in their traps to buy new hardware when it's not needed.
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I agree that my original post and ideas were a bit flawed, but this man gets the gist of it: The consumers must know how blatantly HTC are lying to the consumers. If proving that they are wrong is not going to work out, what do you guys have in mind to do?
Great Idea IMHO
I think exposing whether HTC is lieing or not is a great use of time. Of course, it would be great if this could be done at a minimal cost to devs who are currently working on various ICS and JB ports for the DHD.
d3sperad0 said:
I think exposing whether HTC is lieing or not is a great use of time. Of course, it would be great if this could be done at a minimal cost to devs who are currently working on various ICS and JB ports for the DHD.
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I completely agree
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TL;DR: Basically, here is a challenge to all XDA developers: Disprove HTC's statement that ICS updates will require repartitioning or factory reset. If we succeed, HTC will be stuck in a rock and a hard place.
We're getting a major uproar and petition over HTC's refusal to update the Desire HD, and all we get from it is a statement from a PR team giving us these reasons:
For the uninitiated journalist, it seems legit. I mean, we all had to do a factory wipe before trying out XDA's ICS ROMs, right?
However, I don't think a single person on this forum has had to repartition their system to get even Sense 4 ICS, much less Sense 3 ICS working well. And if they had to drop a feature from gingerbread stock to update, just what kind of massive bloatware are they adding in?
I question the validity of this statement, and many others on XDA feel the same. But if we don't counter their argument, the general public will just grudgingly accept it.
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So, XDA, here is a list of challenges for you to complete.
1. Create a Sense 3 ICS ROM within the existing partition size that keeps all existing functionality from the stock Desire HD.
2. Try a test case where we flash over a 2.3 stock ROM with that ROM without data loss or factory reset.
The other challenges are nice touches, but the first two will be enough to reveal the fallacy of their statements.
3. (if needed) Create a method to repartition the user and system data through OTA update
4. Provide examples of phones with similar specs or partitioning scheme that have been successfully updated to ICS, or at least have promises
5. (EXTRA CHALLENGE) Provide an example of a phone that has an OTA update that repartitions the internal memory
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Here are some useful notes that I or other users here have brought up:
1. We will need to find or create a stock-quality ICS ROM that retains all functionality of the existing gingerbread stock, and adds even more apps to accentuate the point. The stock Incredible S ICS ROM is a good start. Better yet, I haven't seen a single rom on this forum that goes over the limit.
2. Factory resets are recommended when switching ROM types, but I think it will be okay to go without for stock ROMS.
3. Take a look at Libparted from Linux, it is constantly used for repartitioning without risking data loss and has been used to good effect on other devices.
4. The Incredible S currently has ICS rolling out, and it is very similar, down to the system partition which is only larger by 3.5 KiB. Why this and not the Desire HD?
5. This is the only truly difficult challenge here, repartitioning in an OTA update is something that has not been done before in recent memory. If you can't find it, create a method to repartition.
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Just for kicks, what is the real reason that HTC isn't updating? A combination of cost and planned obsolescence. The reality is that system updates for smartphones cost a lot to make and get FCC certification. Then the update has to be up to standards unlike our custom ROMs. With the amount of phones they have thrown out into the market, that adds up to a massive sum.
Finally, keeping phones updated just doesn't make sense to shareholders or the CFO, who have to justify going above and beyond to give more features to old phones when 1) HTC has sold you everything they advertised, 2) Few other manufacturers do the same, and 3) It dissuades customers from paying more for the latest and greatest. HTC did not sell you an upgrade service, they sold you a phone designed for Android 2.2.
The importance of software updates are a new thing to a company that was built on hardware innovation. But this is not acceptable in the modern market, one that is undergoing a worldwide recession, and one that demands powerful new software over expensive hardware. Unless they, and the other manufacturers find a solution, HTC's dated business model will lead it to certain destruction.
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I would try and contribute directly, but my main phone is an HTC HD2, and all I have is my grandfather's Inspire 4G, who happens to be away on a cruise in Alaska.
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Not very much to do anymore except for a few bugfixes. Ten we have a fully working htc sense 4.0 ics rom. I think we have made it pretty far without original 3.0 kernel. And i'm happy with what we have got now.
I say let's kidnap the HTC Devs and Marketing team and make them watch every episode of " Saved By The Bell " until they confess their sins and release ICS For DHD
Yes. I myself would like to know if there are differences with how the Desire HD ROM is partitioned differently from the Desire S and the Incredible S. That HTC won't release a ICS update for the DHD is very disappointing. But, if they lie about the reason why, that is a real slap on the face.
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menditsa said:
I say let's kidnap the HTC Devs and Marketing team and make them watch every episode of " Saved By The Bell " until they confess their sins and release ICS For DHD
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or just kidnap them and make them release the ICS under the supervision of those 13,000 DHD users who signed the petition