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How much light leak is unacceptable?

I got a bit. Would be happier, obviously, if there weren't any. How much light leakage would you say warrants a return?

make sure the lights are on and give it to someone and if they don't point it out, then it is ok.

Omg, dont do it. Is it killing your experience with the phone? Are you getting payed to discredit this phone? Come with something better to complain about. This is something I'll think some lil girl will worry about. Some s hit you barely even notice unless you look for it. D amn. I had to try to look for a leak to see it. F uckin sad. F ucked up my day.

edub186 said:
Omg, dont do it. Is it killing your experience with the phone? Are you getting payed to discredit this phone? Come with something better to complain about. This is something I'll think some lil girl will worry about. Some s hit you barely even notice unless you look for it. D amn. I had to try to look for a leak to see it. F uckin sad. F ucked up my day.
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I went through the same line of thoughts. But alas, we paid handsomely for this device and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect they be free of manufacturing defects. Yet, I understand that some may be unavoidable. Ergo my question: how much light leak is too much?

nihilion_Zero said:
I went through the same line of thoughts. But alas, we paid handsomely for this device and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect they be free of manufacturing defects. Yet, I understand that some may be unavoidable. Ergo my question: how much light leak is too much?
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you handled his tone with aplomb, i must admit
i remember when i got my nexus, people went crazy about this that and the other.
no device is going to be perfect. ever. and, wait until 2 months from now when another phone comes out, and see how many threads get posted up about how people are whizzed that their phone is already "out of date", even though it isn't
it just happens with technophiles.
if you see another phone like yours (and you probably will sometime), just do a comparison. or, go down to the store, and do a comparison. if yours is substantially worse, then you deserve a replacement. if its the same, or not as bad, then either deal with it, or get a different model of phone

edub186 said:
Omg, dont do it. Is it killing your experience with the phone? Are you getting payed to discredit this phone? Come with something better to complain about. This is something I'll think some lil girl will worry about. Some s hit you barely even notice unless you look for it. D amn. I had to try to look for a leak to see it. F uckin sad. F ucked up my day.
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I totally agree !!!

Just my .02 - If it bothers you, then it's unacceptable. Take it in and have it replaced.

timothydonohue said:
you handled his tone with aplomb, i must admit
i remember when i got my nexus, people went crazy about this that and the other.
no device is going to be perfect. ever. and, wait until 2 months from now when another phone comes out, and see how many threads get posted up about how people are whizzed that their phone is already "out of date", even though it isn't
it just happens with technophiles.
if you see another phone like yours (and you probably will sometime), just do a comparison. or, go down to the store, and do a comparison. if yours is substantially worse, then you deserve a replacement. if its the same, or not as bad, then either deal with it, or get a different model of phone
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Thank you for your thoughtful response. This guidance is reasonable and I will it. BTW, how do you like your Evo over the Nexus? I was still teetering as of yesterday.

I have my EVO. What leaked light are you talkin' about, Willis?

You can hardly even see it in the night. you would have to look for it. if no one never mention this none of us would probly even know. thats how lil it is.
But as the other user say "No phone is perfect"
I will bet you anything. you can be rich as hell and buy a million doller phone. you will always see a post saying "OMG my phone dpad get stuck, is this phone going to ship with a major defect?"
But i think it sometimes get annoying. and carry to far out when people start crying about lil things as in "OMG Its dust under my screen how can i get it out!" or "MY PHONE JUST REBOOTED! BY ITS SELF! WHY!!"
People never do the basic stuff to fix a problem. like maybe try a reboot, or take out the battery, or wipe your phone clean. You people just come to forums looking for answers that you can solved on your own

I got lucky then. Can't see any light leaking.

chazglenn3 said:
I got lucky then. Can't see any light leaking.
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its there but very very minimum unless you're super picky. I'm surfing in the dark right now and still hardly see it unless im looking for it.

YoungAceAtlanta said:
and carry to far out when people start crying about lil things as in "OMG Its dust under my screen how can i get it out!" or "MY PHONE JUST REBOOTED! BY ITS SELF! WHY!!"
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OK so look, I love the Hero. But the Dust under the screen issue was VERY major for me. I'm not talking a few dust particles. I'm talking about people instantly noticing and asking what happened to the top of the screen. Luckily I live next to a really good sprint store and the tech was a nice guy and did a good job of cleaning it out on 2 separate occasions.
BTW, I can't find any issues with the EVO yet, and hopefully the dust issue is only for the Hero. (The reason its a big deal with me is because I clean my screen constantly and that's how the dust keeps getting in...

nihilion_Zero said:
I went through the same line of thoughts. But alas, we paid handsomely for this device and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect they be free of manufacturing defects. Yet, I understand that some may be unavoidable. Ergo my question: how much light leak is too much?
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damn, you handled his tone very proffesionally. I would say if it is enough to distract you or make your usage of the EVO less enjoyable (IE. flooding onto the screen) than it is to much

I see a little bit but I bought a case and it hides the little I saw. No biggie.

YoungAceAtlanta said:
You can hardly even see it in the night. you would have to look for it. if no one never mention this none of us would probly even know. thats how lil it is.
But as the other user say "No phone is perfect"
I will bet you anything. you can be rich as hell and buy a million doller phone. you will always see a post saying "OMG my phone dpad get stuck, is this phone going to ship with a major defect?"
But i think it sometimes get annoying. and carry to far out when people start crying about lil things as in "OMG Its dust under my screen how can i get it out!" or "MY PHONE JUST REBOOTED! BY ITS SELF! WHY!!"
People never do the basic stuff to fix a problem. like maybe try a reboot, or take out the battery, or wipe your phone clean. You people just come to forums looking for answers that you can solved on your own
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All this rage from a senior emmber and not once did you answer the question the OP had or even had a rational thought towards the matter, was he complaining? no he was askign a question in which you should have either replied with a resonable response or kept your e-rage to yourself.

just not being able to turn the lights off on the buttons was nearly a deal killer for me on my droid. luckily someone came out with ledshack.
i prefer having no lights at all and just memorize the button placements. it's extremely annoying when you're reading an ebook with night mode one and having a bright light shining in your face.
so for me any light leak would be a deal breaker. so until ledshack gets updated for the evo i'll put off buying it for now.

Antebios said:
I have my EVO. What leaked light are you talkin' about, Willis?
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too soon...
If you didn't know, this wouldn't make sense sooo:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/28/gary-coleman-dead-at-42/

I think I found a defect, it turns off when I leave it alone! omgz!!

booyakasha said:
too soon...
If you didn't know, this wouldn't make sense sooo:
http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/05/28/gary-coleman-dead-at-42/
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He wasn't referring to Coleman's unfortunate death, I'm pretty sure he used that phrase just to question the issue he brought up.

Serious heart to heart.

Just to apologize in advance to posting this thread.
I really need help on a choice im on the fence about since next week I will lose my 30 day return period.
Here it is 5 Nexus S's later and almost every unit had a different problem.
1st: soft resets at least 4 times a day.
2nd: wifi doesn't work
3rd: massive screen banding.
4th: back button did not respond to touch.
Now: screen coating is peeling.
I love Gingerbread! Its going to be really hard giving this away. I love the design and profile of this phone.
I've convinced myself that its ok for the weak wifi signal and a Gps that doesn't lock as good as other phones.
I'm torn between returning it or sending it in for repair.
I also have owned every Tmobile smartphone (MT4G, G2, Vibrant), I could exchange it for one of those.
Why lol does the best phone ive seen in a while have to be seriously half-assed.
Not because of the features but because of all those problems I put above.
I want something that works pretty solid and software mix but it looks the world is in capable of doing this.
Thanks And hope some one with patience can help me out.

Idk man I just picked up nexus s today from bestbuy, I had the vibrant and the problems you've had software/device related I have not seen on mine. Mine just OTA updated about 2 hrs ago to 2.3.1. I havent had it long enough to comment on peeling but ya.
Its solid device to me so far, But I understand what your saying after 5 NS later.

Yeah I really dont feel disappointed. Just sad. lol
I dont want to send it in because thats 2 weeks without it And I HATE Samsung especially their costumer support!

Well I know ur sad about it, But in order for stuff to be changed its gotta cost samsung money that all these phones r coming back. I mean its a shame, but maybe you still have a old android phone to hold ya over?

Nope lol I sold my nexus one....worst mistake of my life I guess Ill just do the return and hopefully my patience will pay off.
What sucks is that even after six months Samsung wont improve this phone as far as defects go. Look at the vibrant lol
If you have a good one with no problems hold on to it man because I wish my luck was good enough to have a good one.

On my third one here, will use vmy black tie for another eventually. Shop around. I went to different best buys. Some get bad batched. One had 10 all with the creased glass screen. Another had none. Some of these phones were made days before the launch so though its disappointing, I believe there are good ones. I have one now but the stupid platinum case already scratched my phone.
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Like the poster above me, I would try to exchange at a completely different Best Buy. Bad batches are called so for a reason--the entire batch may be faulty.
I picked up my Nexus S at 8:00AM Launch Day and haven't had a single issue with it at all. I had to go through three MT4Gs before I returned it completely, and three G2s before I was satisfied with the last one(it still had issues, but at that point, I was tired of dealing with it). And on the screen coating thing: I don't know what coating people are talking about and if there is such a coating, then I think alot of folks are expecting too much out of it. Review/unboxing videos and my own device had fingerprints showing up the second people started using it. Do folks honestly expect touchscreen phones not to show fingerprints/smudges ever? That's unrealistic, imo.
And it's only under direct light(i.e. a directional lamp pointed right at it) that I see them at all. In day to day use, it's not an issue for me.

story like this, makes me feel a really really lucky guy, since i ordered mine by mail.
it'd have been a nightmare if it had any of those defects

I appreciate all the insight so far.....
If i do go back to an old one it would probably be the G2
but Im thinking of getting another one and fit it with a screen protector right away to stop this peeling garbage.

AllGamer said:
story like this, makes me feel a really really lucky guy, since i ordered mine by mail.
it'd have been a nightmare if it had any of those defects
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hahaha
you reminded me of my friend who bought an iphone 4 the other day and he is like you " and me " he found a dead black pixel in the middle of the screen. the poor bastard couldnt sleep the night. stairing at it all the time. he knew he can go to apple store in the morning the next day. but still he couldnt sleep about it.
when he told me, i was crying laughing at him.

Im just going to call it quits with samsung lol They should just stick to TVs
I got a Led 40 inch and no problems!!
Im never going to get a samsung phone again and im going to make sure I book mark this sucker so if I do feel tempted Ill look back at my self hahahah
Oh and ll_l_x_l_ll, man i did have that problem with the vibrant and I lost some sleep on that man for real lol

Mine had a lot of these same issues the OP pointed out. I returned it, but not because of said issues lol.. I needed some extra cash for Sandy Bridge!

ericc191 said:
Mine had a lot of these same issues the OP pointed out. I returned it, but not because of said issues lol.. I needed some extra cash for Sandy Bridge!
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Nice investment lol

ericc191 said:
Mine had a lot of these same issues the OP pointed out. I returned it, but not because of said issues lol.. I needed some extra cash for Sandy Bridge!
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i just wana go OT for 1 post if the OP doesnt mind.
since you are in the know about Sandy Bridge. can you please tell me why for example should i upgrade from I7 ?
i mean, whats the real difference here ?
please keep in mind that most of my gaming on ps3 or 360. i dont play pc games much if any " the only games i played are crysis 1 and warheads"

azzeh3 said:
Nope lol I sold my nexus one....worst mistake of my life I guess Ill just do the return and hopefully my patience will pay off.
What sucks is that even after six months Samsung wont improve this phone as far as defects go. Look at the vibrant lol
If you have a good one with no problems hold on to it man because I wish my luck was good enough to have a good one.
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You just had a run of bad luck. It sucks but it happens to all of us at one point or another. Just keep trying and you will get a good one. It will be totally worth it

tommyz2kool said:
You just had a run of bad luck. It sucks but it happens to all of us at one point or another. Just keep trying and you will get a good one. It will be totally worth it
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I should but its my 5th!!!! what kind of luck is that?
Sounds staged, like im forced to get bad ones lol

azzeh3 said:
I should but its my 5th!!!! what kind of luck is that?
Sounds staged, like im forced to get bad ones lol
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Have you tried returning your phone at another best buy? (if you can) as others have said, if your local store has a bad batch and sales are low you may keep getting units from the same batch.
Depending on the staff, you could also ask about the number of returns that store has had recently.
Seems a shame after 5 phones not to try once more in the hope you get a good one!

Highland3r said:
Have you tried returning your phone at another best buy? (if you can) as others have said, if your local store has a bad batch and sales are low you may keep getting units from the same batch.
Depending on the staff, you could also ask about the number of returns that store has had recently.
Seems a shame after 5 phones not to try once more in the hope you get a good one!
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I think ill return it and order it online instead maybe that will change my luck
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azzeh3 said:
I think ill return it and order it online instead maybe that will change my luck
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This doesn't sound like a bad idea whatsoever. Seriously... I'm on my 4th SNS. I just love it too much to give up. I did two swaps at one best buy, fully returned it and drove to another one. This one seems solid now, and I have a month if I change my mind, but if that's the case, I'll return it and go online. Sounds like you guys have been having luck, no?

If you look for defects you're going to find them.
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Goodbye Omnia 7

Hey hey XDA. Ive been lurking for a good year or two and have never really had a need to post, but I felt it might be useful to share my experiences with the Omnia7. I got it almost after launch in the UK and was...slightly unimpressed. My love for the handset grew, however the technical issues also started to swell. Firstly I experienced the unresponsive home button issue and had the handset replaced twice due to screen issues. Secondly, the frame started to crack recently and trust me, I dont do anything with my handset to cause it to crack...nor do I bash it around causing the paint to flake off!a
Anyway, the final straw was yesterdays 'black screen of death'. I was using it as normal and put it in my pocket after class. I am walking home and go to check to the time only to find that it wouldnt respond. This is followed by a random reboot followed by a series of white lines flashing across the top of the screen...followed again by a load of pink and green dots appearing and disappearing. The phone reboots again and then works...only to repeat again. Add to this an OS which has yet to be given any sort of new lease of life beyond a bit of copy and paste...well...im saddened.
Orange were kind enough to send another one today but having reviewed my options, im afraid to say im jumping ship back to Android. I was under the impression that the Omnia 7 was a well built handset with a solid OS...but that doesnt seem to be the case. That or im incredibly unlucky. :/ Phone is heading straight to Amazon Marketplace in its shiny new packaging!
Anyway, thanks for providing lurker over here with some amazing advice. Just my two cents! Adios.

Sorry to hear that it didn't work out for you.
How much are you selling it for?

ohirome1 said:
I was under the impression that the Omnia 7 was a well built handset with a solid OS...but that doesnt seem to be the case. That or im incredibly unlucky. :/
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Believe me, you ARE incredibly unlucky. Most people agree this is the best WP7 out there and it's running very smoothly.

Peew971 said:
Believe me, you ARE incredibly unlucky. Most people agree this is the best WP7 out there and it's running very smoothly.
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Yeah it sucks that ive had zero luck with it. On a brighter note, im finally investing in an HD2 purely so I can get back to tinkering...so I might end up back with WP7, albeit in a modded form!

Ive listed it for £300 GBP. Its a bit less than what most people are selling them for however I want to sell quickly in order to get another phone. Im currently using a ghetto as all hell nokia and it pains me to use it :/

ohirome1 said:
Firstly I experienced the unresponsive home button issue..
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Sorry, but see here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=929460
The unresponsive issue is something people are confused about and think it's a handset problem. It's not, it's not responsive for a reason and that's when the sensor is covered! See the thread.
As for the other issues, I agree, that's crap luck by the sounds of it.
And dude, I agree with the poor effort from Microsoft regarding updates and copy and paste. I mean it's like they have ignored the competition and the things people really need on their devices. Copy and paste shouldn't be an update, it should of been there in the first place!
But with time, I believe WP7 will stand strong.

My SII past away

My SII past away I've sent him today for repair, the issue is that it was completely dead and I was unable to revert it to stock room ...
I hope Samsung will repair it and not claim with the warranty.
Has anyone past by a similar experience? What was the end outcome?
Thanks,

Im sorry for your lose bro.

I'm sure it's in a better place now.

St0rmzx said:
I'm sure it's in a better place now.
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heheh good one :good:

St0rmzx said:
I'm sure it's in a better place now.
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LOL
I'm looking forward receiving answers from someone who has sent his SII to repair without having return to stock rom and learn from the experience.
Thank you all for the kind words on this mourning time

St0rmzx said:
I'm sure it's in a better place now.
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I see what you did there

pauloviegas said:
LOL
I'm looking forward receiving answers from someone who has sent his SII to repair without having return to stock rom and learn from the experience.
Thank you all for the kind words on this mourning time
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Depends on how dead your S2 is.
My S2 was running CM9 when it died. And when it died, it died totally. No response whatsoever, even when plugging in the USB charger. In this case, I believe Samsung has no way of knowing whether I was running a custom ROM or not.
In the end my S2 was replaced free of charge. I even got a free screen change (I pointed out the infamous bright band at the top due to uneven burn out), and a new battery. Props to Samsung. Apple would probably have wanted to rape my wife and sell my firstborn into slavery.

Im sorry about your loss I think mines on its way too... its slowly going:angel:

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Depends on how dead your S2 is.
My S2 was running CM9 when it died. And when it died, it died totally. No response whatsoever, even when plugging in the USB charger. In this case, I believe Samsung has no way of knowing whether I was running a custom ROM or not.
In the end my S2 was replaced free of charge. I even got a free screen change (I pointed out the infamous bright band at the top due to uneven burn out), and a new battery. Props to Samsung. Apple would probably have wanted to rape my wife and sell my firstborn into slavery.
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Mine was also really dead, also even the charger did not do anything. I hope my experience will be the same as yours. I just hope the fall down scratches will not put them in the position to say that this happen because of the fall down.
Thanx a lot for sharing your experience it is exactly what I'm looking for. :good:
I agree on APPLE, they just want your blood!!!!

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Mine was also really dead, also even the charger did not do anything. I hope my experience will be the same as yours. I just hope the fall down scratches will not put them in the position to say that this happen because of the fall down.
Thanx a lot for sharing your experience it is exactly what I'm looking for. :good:
I agree on APPLE, they just want your blood!!!!
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I should clarify that the motherboard was replaced. However seeing as they also changed the screen (confirmed due to the bright band at where the notification bar would be), I wonder why they didn't just give me a brand new phone. :laugh: I can tell that the chassis was still my old one due to the presence of my screen protector.

Sorry to hear of your loss m8.
Hope u find happiness in the future. Lol:thumbup:
Keep ure chin up
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I had a similar prob pc went off halfway through odin fried it..no life, i sent it to samsung they said it was a screen issue but not covered as it was damaged. I really do look after my phone n in disbelief i said put new screen in i want to know it works before i pay... A few day later they rung n said the mother board was damaged.(not under warranty of course) argued my case they gave a quote for screen etc etc. Ending up payin £120 had new screen n motherboard when device returned camera didnt work n was fuming as this took 3month in total. So replaced that myself. Never will i send another phone to them.
Mashable jb dori 5.69

I had a lg optimus that i formated the omap on it by mistake bug on cm7 anyway it got full warrenty they gave me a whole new phone

Google taking a beating over Nexus 7 problems...

On Google groups people are upset, and rightfully so.
http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!category-topic/nexus/nexus-7/Tetp20r-REo
The Nexus 7 touchscreen problem has been ignored by google, Asus, the tech press......
Google has had a free pass long enough.
I'm glad I was able to return mine.
I hope you guys are paying attention to how they are handling this defect.....IGNORE IT.
I would advise to never buy from a company who ignores or runs from problems.

Mine works fine and most of the complaints are exaggerated as usual
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z0phi3l said:
Mine works fine and most of the complaints are exaggerated as usual
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Sure they are......:good:

z0phi3l said:
Mine works fine and most of the complaints are exaggerated as usual
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Mine does have this annoying touch problems, and it's really annoying. Yours fine? Good, please don't disrespect others complaint if yours "fine".
This is the kind of thing I don't understand, someone does a thread of the issue/news on it and suddenly comes people with their "fine" product and post how "fine" theirs are or/and that they don't care.
If your Nexus is "fine", then no need to read about it, enjoy it, but there are a lot of us who got a bad unit, I can't return it because it started after the 15 days of return warranty, so I'm stuck with it.

z0phi3l said:
Mine works fine and most of the complaints are exaggerated as usual
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I don't have breast cancer so most of the complaints are exaggerated as usual.
See the flaw in your logic?

NekroWolfen said:
Mine does have this annoying touch problems, and it's really annoying. Yours fine? Good, please don't disrespect others complaint if yours "fine".
This is the kind of thing I don't understand, someone does a thread of the issue/news on it and suddenly comes people with their "fine" product and post how "fine" theirs are or/and that they don't care.
If your Nexus is "fine", then no need to read about it, enjoy it, but there are a lot of us who got a bad unit, I can't return it because it started after the 15 days of return warranty, so I'm stuck with it.
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Yup, and the 15 day return period is a joke as well.
All defects should be covered by a free replacement warranty equal to the product warranty.....NOT REPAIR...and the customer should not pay a dime for shipping.
At least one year......after the way Google has handled this they should extend the free replacement warranty to 3 years. (Yeah right)

I'm not buying an Asus device again that's for sure, at least not until the product is well tested...

NekroWolfen said:
I'm not buying an Asus device again that's for sure, at least not until the product is well tested...
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Same here.....Google could have kept me by taking care of the problem.
I'm done with them too. They gave me the run around so bad I'm still dizzy.....

NekroWolfen said:
Mine does have this annoying touch problems, and it's really annoying. Yours fine? Good, please don't disrespect others complaint if yours "fine".
This is the kind of thing I don't understand, someone does a thread of the issue/news on it and suddenly comes people with their "fine" product and post how "fine" theirs are or/and that they don't care.
If your Nexus is "fine", then no need to read about it, enjoy it, but there are a lot of us who got a bad unit, I can't return it because it started after the 15 days of return warranty, so I'm stuck with it.
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Please don't disrespect us who have perfectly working products by only calling out those who have issues.
Mine works fine.

I'm not sure if 7 people in that thread is really Google taking a beating. Also, it really isn't Google's problem. It is Asus'. How many tablets were sold vs how many have the issue. I got mine on launch day and no issue. I've had to send a few different items back to Asus in the past and had to pay shipping every time, but then again, $7 for shipping vs having to buy a new item is ok in my eyes. What a gimme gimme gimme world we live in.

DaemonAshra said:
Please don't disrespect us who have perfectly working products by only calling out those who have issues.
Mine works fine.
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Next time, read well before quoting something directed to another user. I was specifically quoting him for saying that most of the complaints were exagerated, were a touch problem on a touch screen device is definitely not exagerated, besides how could you know if your device is working "fine". My quote wasn't directed at you, not interested in continuing this.

johnomaz said:
I'm not sure if 7 people in that thread is really Google taking a beating. Also, it really isn't Google's problem. It is Asus'. How many tablets were sold vs how many have the issue. I got mine on launch day and no issue. I've had to send a few different items back to Asus in the past and had to pay shipping every time, but then again, $7 for shipping vs having to buy a new item is ok in my eyes. What a gimme gimme gimme world we live in.
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ROFL!!
"A gimme gimme world!!" - You are a corporations dream come true!!!
I paid for a defective product and in my business, I take care of my customers who receive defects.
You are SO wrong.
Such a "gimme gimme world" that I just spent money on a new tablet that actually WORKS!!! Nobody gave it to me!! IMAGINE THAT. I spent my hard earned dollars and received a functioning product - WOW!! What a novel concept.
No need to be a prick.....and you were one.

I currently have a mild problem with the touch, it's not as bad as some but its still annoying. Has anyone who has rooted and installed a custom rom experience the touch problem go away?

JJbdoggg said:
I don't have breast cancer so most of the complaints are exaggerated as usual.
See the flaw in your logic?
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You use the word "so" where he uses "and". Two very different words and uses. I'm sorry if someone close has developed some form of cancer but don't bring it to an Android forum...:good:
Edit: Google isn't taking near the beating as you nay sayers lol

Mine's been working fine with no issues *knocks on wood*. I got it at launch. I don't expect any device to launch without issues but maybe it's just me. I'm not seeing this as a common widespread issue.

Mandelbrot.Benoit said:
You use the word "so" where he uses "and". Two very different words and uses. I'm sorry if someone close has developed some form of cancer but don't bring it to an Android forum...:good:
Edit: Google isn't taking near the beating as you nay sayers lol
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Okay replace and with so, my point still stands.
I also don't see how my analogy would be offensive to someone who knows someone with breast cancer so don't turn it into that, you also don't make the rules so I'll bring it up if I want to.

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I currently have a mild problem with the touch, it's not as bad as some but its still annoying. Has anyone who has rooted and installed a custom rom experience the touch problem go away?
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Yup.
My touchscreen was mildly effected also. Mostly the missing touch problem when not holding the device (ie: sitting on a table or such).
Rooted using the forum tutorials, installed sfhub's ts10 update and the touchscreen works fine now. No skips, no missing or ghost touches.
For the record, I've only been using android for about 2 weeks now so it's not that hard to learn how to apply the fix that worked on mine.
Now, should an end user have to do you this to their device? Nope, it should come this way. For mine it was such an easy fix, it would seem they have no excuse for not designing the software properly in the first place.
I quite like the rest of the devices features (ie: nice screen, battery life, speed, just right size for book reading and fitting in my coat pocket, etc) and it's quickly becoming a favorite device of mine.
As to those saying thiers works fine, I think they are valid comments. Not all the devices are effected and as is normal with human behavior, those that feel "screwed" are often the ones who are the loudest. Not that they're not justified in being upset with getting a "broken" product, they are.
But it is equally valuable to hear from those that get products that work.
How else are we going to know if there are more bad than good if we don't also hear from "the good"?

JJbdoggg said:
Okay replace and with so, my point still stands.
I also don't see how my analogy would be offensive to someone who knows someone with breast cancer so don't turn it into that, you also don't make the rules so I'll bring it up if I want to.
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You're absolutely right: I don't make the rules and you can bring it up if you want to. I was simply suggesting that life and death disease analogies can always offend Someone and might be a little overboard on an Android forum.
You would need to replace so with and. He was making two separate points and connecting with the word and, while you are expressing cause-effect with so (should be used in conclusion). Though due to ambiguity I could be completely wrong. You brought up logic. I just thought it would be easier for two rational human beings to get to the same spot.
And my G2 screen is wonkier than my Nexus 7. Turning it off and back on seems to solve it though.

Guys, let's not argue about whether what's important to one is also important to you. Everyone has their own opinion. It looks like enough people are upset about the issues, and that is a fact.
I am one of those people. After devs here on XDA put together near perfect AOSP roms for my ThunderBolt, I expected stuff coming out of Google directly to be rock solid. N7 is my first Nexus device, and I am quite disappointed with regular random reboots that I still have, as well as intermittent touch screen issues. For example, I can't play Subway Surfers since N7 keeps ignoring some portion of screen touches (leading me to crash lol).
My HTC DNA, however, is rock solid on the stock rom. Why can't a Nexus device be the same? People typically complain of manufacturers adding stuff to android that makes it worse. Well, I am not so ready to say that now. As far as I am concerned, HTC is doing a better job with their devices than Google.
PS, TB was buggy when it came out, but all the bugs were subsequently fixed, even on Verizon!
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cowisland said:
Guys, let's not argue about whether what's important to one is also important to you. Everyone has their own opinion. It looks like enough people are upset about the issues, and that is a fact.
I am one of those people. After devs here on XDA put together near perfect AOSP roms for my ThunderBolt, I expected stuff coming out of Google directly to be rock solid. N7 is my first Nexus device, and I am quite disappointed with regular random reboots that I still have, as well as intermittent touch screen issues. For example, I can't play Subway Surfers since N7 keeps ignoring some portion of screen touches (leading me to crash lol).
My HTC DNA, however, is rock solid on the stock rom. Why can't a Nexus device be the same? People typically complain of manufacturers adding stuff to android that makes it worse. Well, I am not so ready to say that now. As far as I am concerned, HTC is doing a better job with their devices than Google.
PS, TB was buggy when it came out, but all the bugs were subsequently fixed, even on Verizon!
Sent from my HTC6435LVW using Tapatalk
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Couldn't say it better, let's keep it a happy forum, and just to reflect what you just said, the same thing goes for me with Dead Trigger 2, I can't play it because of this, it's simply NOT fair, after I paid for this device.