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I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
This is currently being released OTA to all Nexus Ones, you mean when they release it to other phones? I'm sure there will be some patches here and there as usual.
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I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
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I don't know. . . remember how the G1 was released? lol
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This is currently being released OTA to all Nexus Ones, you mean when they release it to other phones? I'm sure there will be some patches here and there as usual.
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From my understanding, this has only been released OTA to Google employees and media review devices, and nobody else. I have yet to see any confirmation from Google they started OTA of FroYo, and a Google Android developer tweeted earlier a sarcastic sounding statement along the lines "Woke up, guess FroYo OTA started today?" and he is one of the top developers at Google.
So, I say just a thought, this isn't the OTA that will be released to the masses... of course could be totally wrong, but it doesn't feel nearly polished enough to be it.
I wouldn't be mad at all if what you are saying is true.. Cyanogen MOD for some reason just "feels" better than Froyo. Don't know why, this update is a little meh.. showing off Flash to friends will be fun of course.
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I don't know. . . remember how the G1 was released? lol
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What? When I got my G1, I checked out my roots (pun intended) and rocked RC29 for a week. I don't see any real difference between it and 2.2
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I wouldn't be mad at all if what you are saying is true.. Cyanogen MOD for some reason just "feels" better than Froyo. Don't know why, this update is a little meh.. showing off Flash to friends will be fun of course.
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Can you imagine Cyan, or Enom, or Modaco and FroYo! Oh I can't wait for that. There is a huge speed difference between this and stock 2.1 It is like putting a custom ROM on with a good kernel.
If you want to show off flash really well, youtube is great! There are some nice sites otherwise, of course, but I am really impressed with youtube... loads fast and is smooth.
pjcforpres said:
I don't think this FroYo release is what will be the mass OTA push they were talking about to come in the next couple weeks... while it is awesome on so many levels, there seem to be enough little bugs in need of a little extra polishing that this is more likely a final Beta than actual first release. Anyone else think so?
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Can you give a list of all these bugs/issues you are experiencing?
After playing with this build for the past 6 hours, I can't think of a single issue.
Must be an issue with your phone : P
I agree. My 3g seems worse so far & I can't seem to be able to get 'move app to SD card working
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Paul22000 said:
Can you give a list of all these bugs/issues you are experiencing?
After playing with this build for the past 6 hours, I can't think of a single issue.
Must be an issue with your phone : P
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First off, it never re-downloaded my apps like so many other people say it did... and yes, I wiped properly, and I even re-flashed from a fresh download. I even went back to a 2.1, and it had my list of downloads(I also have back up setting turned on), come back to 2.2, won't do it... must hate my gmail account or something.
As well, it doesn't wake properly... taking me a couple pushes sometimes, perfect other times. And never had this issue before... also doesn't exist when I went back to 2.1 for a moment to test if I was nuts or not.
thirdly, reboot your phone and tell me how your widgets are doing (although this could be the widgets more than the base OS).
Thirdly, maybe related to the second issue, have had a fair number of odd slow downs and freezes here and there while doing nothing major.
Next up, noticed it is taking multiple presses at times to open apps, beyond "normal" in quantity and consistency. Could be part of the odd slow down.
Finally, there is a list of other issues people are talking about as well...
Like I said, it just seems to have enough little bugs in need of polishing that this isn't it. Nothing major, just seems that there are some small things.
And this isn't to knock it or any of that... just saying it is a thought of mine that this isn't what the mass market OTA will be... very, very, very close, but it is the final Beta IMHO, sort of thing.
Also, to emphasis, I wiped properly, flashed two different versions, and compared to ere27 as well to make sure I wasn't smoking crack.
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What? When I got my G1, I checked out my roots (pun intended) and rocked RC29 for a week. I don't see any real difference between it and 2.2
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My point was that Google's definition of polished isn't a completely bug free type environment. Granted, alot of that comes from the fact that they're still building the OS, so there's always new enhancements coming and such. I just wouldn't mind the occasional bug fix that brought nothing new, if you get what I'm trying to say.
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From my understanding, this has only been released OTA to Google employees and media review devices, and nobody else. I have yet to see any confirmation from Google they started OTA of FroYo, and a Google Android developer tweeted earlier a sarcastic sounding statement along the lines "Woke up, guess FroYo OTA started today?" and he is one of the top developers at Google.
So, I say just a thought, this isn't the OTA that will be released to the masses... of course could be totally wrong, but it doesn't feel nearly polished enough to be it.
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O Rly?
Google Confirms Froyo Launch: “The roll out to Nexus One devices has begun!”
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First off, it never re-downloaded my apps like so many other people say it did... and yes, I wiped properly, and I even re-flashed from a fresh download. I even went back to a 2.1, and it had my list of downloads(I also have back up setting turned on), come back to 2.2, won't do it... must hate my gmail account or something.
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Funny story... I didn't even know Android re-installed Apps until Vic Gundrota mentioned it during the I/O Keynote Day 2. I had to re-wind, I was like "what? since when??"
Perhaps it's something that doesn't work on rooted phones, but I have never have Android reinstall any apps, ever, including from my G1 days, and from hopping around Nexus One ROMs. When I left Sense UI for 2.2 today, it didn't reinstall apps either, so again my theory is that it doesn't work for rooted users...?
Otherwise, I have no idea, it's never worked for me. Titanium Backup FTW.
As well, it doesn't wake properly... taking me a couple pushes sometimes, perfect other times. And never had this issue before... also doesn't exist when I went back to 2.1 for a moment to test if I was nuts or not.
thirdly, reboot your phone and tell me how your widgets are doing (although this could be the widgets more than the base OS).
Thirdly, maybe related to the second issue, have had a fair number of odd slow downs and freezes here and there while doing nothing major.
Next up, noticed it is taking multiple presses at times to open apps, beyond "normal" in quantity and consistency. Could be part of the odd slow down.
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Hmm, haven't had any of these issues. That sucks
I don't know, this seems VERY polished to me. Coming from the Sense UI, which was of course a hacked port from 2 months ago (Desire source code only released just a few days ago), the scrolling etc is like night and day! Everything just flies and feels like butter.
Aside from SORELY missing my HTC Widgets, I am LOVING FroYo!
First, Android DOES reinstall apps, but only for some reason not when you root and flash a custom ROM, or if you flash a stock ROM after having run a rooted custom ROM. My N1 is stock... I had my original N1 replaced due to dust. When I received my replacement, I logged in and all my apps automatically redownloaded, along with my bookmarks, and saved Wifi networks.
Second, some widgets may not work properly because the devs haven't updated the programs yet. For example, I use SMS Unread Count, and the Gmail widget no longer works, whereas the Dialer and Messaging widgets do. I'm sure it'll be fixed once the devs update their apps.
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First, Android DOES reinstall apps, but only for some reason not when you root and flash a custom ROM, or if you flash a stock ROM after having run a rooted custom ROM. My N1 is stock... I had my original N1 replaced due to dust. When I received my replacement, I logged in and all my apps automatically redownloaded, along with my bookmarks, and saved Wifi networks.
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Ah no wonder!
That would explain why I was surprised when Vic said that was a feature of Android hahaha
So, what is this "stock rom" you speak of?
Paul22000 said:
Ah no wonder!
That would explain why I was surprised when Vic said that was a feature of Android hahaha
So, what is this "stock rom" you speak of?
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LOL... after constantly "chasing the dragon" with my G1, I decided to stay unrooted and stock with the N1. Unless something REALLY compelling was available for rooted phones, of course, which is certainly not the case thanks to built in tethering and upcoming Apps2SD.
Btw, I have to ask... and you can answer via PM if you prefer... how do you feel after having played with Froyo and Sense on the N1?
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LOL... after constantly "chasing the dragon" with my G1, I decided to stay unrooted and stock with the N1. Unless something REALLY compelling was available for rooted phones, of course, which is certainly not the case thanks to built in tethering and upcoming Apps2SD.
Btw, I have to ask... and you can answer via PM if you prefer... how do you feel after having played with Froyo and Sense on the N1?
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I love FroYo! Flash is amazing.
I can't wait to go into work and show my buds (iphone users) Hulu on my phone! Muwhahahahahahahahahah!!!
And wow, I can finally use Bluetooth now!
I will say though, the main reason I love Sense UI is because of the widgets. I find the whole icons-barfed-all-over-the-screen that Android (and iPhone OS) do *extremely* ugly. That and the stock/downloadable Android widgets are all different sizes, different colors, themes etc.... Disgusting!!!
The Sense UI widgets were elegant, consistent, all the same size, and best of all, extremely functional. I loved easily scrolling through the FriendStream/Twitter widgets; the beautiful weather widget with home screen animations; the stocks/agenda widgets... Just beautiful. A plethora of information at a glance, without even opening an app.
Now looking at the stock Android Twitter/Facebook widgets I'm forced to put on my home screens and seeing only 1 single update, having to press the left and right arrows, and both being different colors (and different colors than the black bar widgets)... Ugh...
After showing off FroYo for a few days, I will probably switch back.
Cyanogen 2.2 + HTC Sense Widgets would be my dream ROM
were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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I didnt wipe either and all is well. And I agree about Android's awesome capabilities versus polish. But I still thinks it very polished, only less so than apple i guess, but ill take tether and flash any damn day!
Paul22000 said:
I love FroYo! Flash is amazing.
I can't wait to go into work and show my buds (iphone users) Hulu on my phone! Muwhahahahahahahahahah!!!
And wow, I can finally use Bluetooth now!
I will say though, the main reason I love Sense UI is because of the widgets. I find the whole icons-barfed-all-over-the-screen that Android (and iPhone OS) do *extremely* ugly. That and the stock/downloadable Android widgets are all different sizes, different colors, themes etc.... Disgusting!!!
The Sense UI widgets were elegant, consistent, all the same size, and best of all, extremely functional. I loved easily scrolling through the FriendStream/Twitter widgets; the beautiful weather widget with home screen animations; the stocks/agenda widgets... Just beautiful. A plethora of information at a glance, without even opening an app.
Now looking at the stock Android Twitter/Facebook widgets I'm forced to put on my home screens and seeing only 1 single update, having to press the left and right arrows, and both being different colors (and different colors than the black bar widgets)... Ugh...
After showing off FroYo for a few days, I will probably switch back.
Cyanogen 2.2 + HTC Sense Widgets would be my dream ROM
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Interesting comments. I was a fan of Sense when I had the G1... but it was just too damn slow. I'm sure it's hot on the N1... but I've been enjoying the stock ROM too much. May have to consider Sense if it becomes fully functional in the future...
AndroidPerson said:
were we supposed to wipe even if our phone is not rooted? Because I did nit and everything works great but that would make me worry if I was supposed to have wiped.
As for 2.2 I had several bugs on 2.1 that made eclair seem not entirely stable I dont think google has quite the standard youre expecting, of course in my opinion you have every right to hold them to a high standard google themselves constantly takes aim at apple which is very solid software wise. Android to me though seems more capable if less polished, and i think that's better, plus android is young maybe after they get the major updates out of their system they will go back and polish it up. But flash and tether work great for me and ive had less if none of some of the bugs I had as of yesterday, im on top of the world so far!
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Nope.. you don't need to wipe if you were unrooted and stock.
Hi ,
How is the overall performance of nexus 7 2012 after the kitkat update , kindly provide the pros and cons after the update.this could help me decide whether i should go for 2012 model or 2013 model.
If you are trying to decide between new and old, obviously go for the 2013, CPU is faster as well as more RAM. ART is also available on the new one.
As for issues, I don't have any with my 2012 so far on KRT16S. Adobe Flash no longer works because of chromium engine so if thats a big thing for you, may want to stay with 4.3
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If you are trying to decide between new and old, obviously go for the 2013, CPU is faster as well as more RAM. ART is also available on the new one.
As for issues, I don't have any with my 2012 so far on KRT16S. Adobe Flash no longer works because of chromium engine so if thats a big thing for you, may want to stay with 4.3
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Well the old one is cheaper though.. By quite a bit actually.
So does that mean flash won't even work with other browsers?
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Unless you don't have enough cash for 2013, go for 2012, it's still a great device and I never leave home without it, but 2013 is not really all that expensive, so the choice is clear.
Pros:
- it is smooth (but I factory reset it to install kitkat, so I don't know how it would've been if I just updated from previous version), but it was like this for every version
- transparent task and nav bars (with GEL or nova launcher, only on launcher though)
- clock font is the same again (in 4.2 the hours were bold while minutes were normal - I liked it this way more though)
- there's a new icon if you pull down notification bar on the right side
- battery life is good, but it's always been good
Cons:
- OTA rootkeeper doesn't work anymore, you have to manually re-root it every time
- 4.4 is pretty much the same as ICS except with slightly different icons and colors.
- lots of services still don't work outside US and couple of extra countries (play magazines, play movies...)
I don't know, it's android, it does everything, but starts to lag after a while and batteries die and such, I like my Nexus 7 2012 very much, if it broke (knock knock on the table, don't break!) I'd get a 2013 one, not 2012.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vmhpivfu725it3v/Screenshot_2013-11-22-10-56-05.png
Obviously ours is cheaper but if it was me I'd rather spend the extra and have the newer hardware.. not to mention 2012 is creeping up on that 18 month EOL Galaxy Nexus just dealt with, the newer one will still be getting updates.
As for Flash its dead except for Puffin which apparently runs slow ppl talking about it here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2531015
Depends what funds you have available. I don't leave home without it and wouldn't swap it. Been working on KitKat for a while and no major issues and a lot less "lag" on 4.4 than on 4.3 :good:
Nope, OTA suvival works!
I was running a custom rom for 4.3 and 4.2.2 that was heavily optimized for this device by experienced developers on this forum. And the roms were SO MUCH smoother and faster than stock rom google provided. Now that 4.4 is available, I'm just trying out the stock rom by google, and man..I don't like the performance. There are quite often stuttering moments, and I am eagerly waiting for a stable custom rom based on 4.4. I'm pretty sure 2013 version, you don't really need to have a custom rom to make it super smooth, because I have the nexus 4, very similar hardware as 2013 nexus 7, and my nexus 4 runs very smoothly with google's official 4.4 firmware.
Hope it helps.
Well... it was with a heavy heart, that this afternoon, I took the decision to downgrade my Nexus 7 from KitKat 4.4 back to Jellybean 4.3.
Too many issues that I feel are wrong with KitKat... the lack of visual clarity on the WiFi icon, and particularly with the battery icon when the device is recharging.
But the real deal breaker for me is that KitKat 'breaks' the AOSP browser.
Although there is an AOSP KitKat compliant browser available that will run on the first generation Nexus 7, it's tied to Chromium WebView (instead of WebKit), and functionally, it's essentially identical to Chrome. And like Chrome, it lacks the speed of AOSP... further, it also lacks the one single critical feature that I believe any web browser needs to have in order to provide a satisfying browsing experience on any mobile device - and that feature is text-flow. What is the point in having pinch'n'zoom capabilty on any device, if the text doesn't reflow and reformat itself? So much effort using Chrome, panning right, left and then right again... just to read something!
Of course, it could be argued, that there are many third party web browsers on Google PlayStore that provide this functionality... and some do indeed make a pretty good stab at it. Opera Classic for example... Maxthon is another... but all too often, these browsers lack the lightening fast speed of the AOSP browser... maybe because they are encumbered with lots of useless (to me, anyway) features.
For reasons which utterly escape me, Google have been 'pushing' Chrome for Android as though it was the last word in Android browsers - IMHO, it simply isn't. There are far better browsers available on Playstore... but not a single one comes even close to the experience afforded by the AOSP browser.
All of which would be tolerable, if KitKat didn't force AOSP based browsers down the Chromium WebView path... so for me, Android 4.4 KitKat has essentially ruined my browsing experience - and for this reason, I spent the afternoon fastboot flashing my Nexus 7 back to Jellybean 4.3, and then restoring my apps via Titanium... a real time consuming nuisance, but if I wished to continue to use my Nexus 7, predominantly for web browsing, it had to be done.
I'm now back on build JWR66Y, reinstalled the AOSP browser, and everything just works... the way it should... and the way it used to... before KitKat.
Rgrds,
Ged.
The Kit Kat update was so buggy that it drove me away. I went out and bought a dell venue 8 pro today. The tablet was only 279 and has full blown windows 8.1 AND I don't have to hack it in order use flash sites.
Ota was very smooth ,and so far on my n7 2012 its running fab , no delay , only a few odd games don't work ,but its very nice so far
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Upgraded from android 4.3 stock ROM with custom
Kernel,M-kernel, to android 4.4 stock ROM(KRT16s)
to find out exciting new features on KitKat.
The performance of stock KitKat is good for
a stock ROM but not great. The optimized 4.3 ROM
with M-kernel is faster and smooth without over clocking the CPU. The battery life last longer .
KitKat ROM has many new features that worth the
upgrade from android 4.3.
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Although there is an AOSP KitKat compliant browser available that will run on the first generation Nexus 7, it's tied to Chromium WebView (instead of WebKit), and functionally, it's essentially identical to Chrome. And like Chrome, it lacks the speed of AOSP... further, it also lacks the one single critical feature that I believe any web browser needs to have in order to provide a satisfying browsing experience on any mobile device - and that feature is text-flow. What is the point in having pinch'n'zoom capabilty on any device, if the text doesn't reflow and reformat itself? So much effort using Chrome, panning right, left and then right again... just to read something!
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Oof. I was afraid of this (I use Naked Browser Pro). Thanks for confirming the worst. Had similar feelings about Chromium-based Opera (nowhere near as fast as old WebView).
An awful lot of browsers rely on WebView, which makes me think this was a clear move to make all of them suck as badly as Chrome. Not that Google was under any obligation to help their competition, but it's still a crap move.
I do wonder if anyone will take the effort to fill the now difficult speedy browser niche on KitKat. You'd have to either:
1.) Port old WebView
2.) Fork, fix, and optimize Chromium (if that's even possible), or
3.) Use an entirely different engine (possibly your own).
None of these options are great, dev-wise ... and unless we're talking about Naked Browser, any new option is almost guaranteed to come with privacy issues (ads, trackers, etc.)
Given that WebView is part of the ROM, I wonder if OmniROM would be interested in eventually fixing this.
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Kit Kat performance is exactly the same as 4.3, no better or worse. It's OK but gets laggy at times. By no means would I consider the 2012 model quick at this point and you should definitely get the 2013 model.
Overall I consider the first gen nexus 7 a big disappointment in performances especially considering the initial launch video Matias Duarte is calling it "a lag free device". Yeah it is...out of the box, and after full storage and system wipe. Over time it gets so annoyingly laggy you wanna chuck it against a wall! The more storage you use the worse it gets and don't even think about adding a second profile. That's an immediate lag bomb!
Also build quality is very suspect, the screen lift/creaking issue seems to be a matter of when not if. I thought I had dodged a bullet with mine until 3 days after my warranty expired. The left side creaks like crazy, and I cracked the back cover removing it to perform several of the home !made remedies. All worked for a day or 2 then the creaking would come back! I eventually gave up and stopped caring.
I don't really feel too ripped off from buying it. Nearly a year and a half of use and 3 major system updates as well as countless minor system updates feel like I got my moneys worth. But tegra 3 isn't getting any younger and getting more and more dated by the day. Also Google proved with the gnex they are pretty cut throat with their 18 months of support policy so KitKat is most likely the end of the road for the 2012 model. Do yourself a favor and get the new one! You won't regret it
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You have to be insane to get the 2012 model. Mine is showing definite age and I have barely had it a year. I think there are read write problems with the 2012 hardware that makes it laggy over time.
Get 2013 model but know that it will probably be beat up and slow a year from now. I'd say the life cycle is about a year.
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The Kit Kat update was so buggy that it drove me away. I went out and bought a dell venue 8 pro today. The tablet was only 279 and has full blown windows 8.1 AND I don't have to hack it in order use flash sites.
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Seriously thinking out getting one of those too.
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Seriously thinking out getting one of those too.
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You won't regret it!
Hey guys!! I update to 4.4 me too, but Does your battery drain faster than 4.3 or it s only mine ? Before the battery was easily 8 or 9 hours daily.. With a basically use, now with exactly the same.. not going more Than 6 hours ..
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elfacki20 said:
Hey guys!! I update to 4.4 me too, but Does your battery drain faster than 4.3 or it s only mine ? Before the battery was easily 8 or 9 hours daily.. With a basically use, now with exactly the same.. not going more Than 6 hours ..
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The battery has not been too bad for me. There may have been a slight decrease, but I find this is common with some updates. Are you on the latest KitKat build or the first one?
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The battery has not been too bad for me. There may have been a slight decrease, but I find this is common with some updates. Are you on the latest KitKat build or the first one?
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The Latest.. It is possible that the reason is the root? I dit it 3days ago after the update(ROM) and I forgot to install the recovery tool .. So This morning I re-root the nexus with rectool and now for 1hour use, I lost only 5% so I don't really understand what's going on ..
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Just read on android pit.com
Our source has informed us that Android 5.1 will be launched by the end of February 2015, and a second, completely separate source that is also privy to important information regarding Android updates, confirmed it. Not only that, this is allegedly a rather large update with many interesting new features! See the changelog below:
Silent mode added after missing on Android 5.0
General improvements in system stability
Improved RAM management
Fixes for sudden app closures
Improved battery management
Excessive consumption of network devices when used Wi-Fi fixed
Issues with wireless connections fixed
Problems with Okay Google function solved
Notifications problems solved
Some sound problems experience by certain devices fixed
Other improvements and changes
Changes in the Material Design color palette (after users complaints, possibly for a higher version though)
So far there is no information about functions that it might bring, but we'll be sure to report on those as soon as we hear it.
Android 5.0 was a fantastic update, however it did bring its own list of issues, which we covered how to fix in our Android 5.0 Lollipop common problems and solutions article. That being said, Android 5.1 could get rid of many of the problems we saw here!
Android 6.0: let’s invent the ultimate Android OS
Android 5.0.1 Lollipop update: when will my device get it?
I wonder if that means ok Google will finally work with all aosp roms. I've tried the suggested fixes and the best I've been able to get is it works on any screen but not with screen off. Kind of defeats the purpose when you are trying to use it hands free while driving.
i'll believe it when i see it from Google...
kingston73 said:
I wonder if that means ok Google will finally work with all aosp roms. I've tried the suggested fixes and the best I've been able to get is it works on any screen but not with screen off. Kind of defeats the purpose when you are trying to use it hands free while driving.
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The only ROM I've seen that OK google works with screen off is sinless ROM, because its based off of googles IMG rather than aosp. Pretty solid ROM, you should give it a shot.
I'm really pumped for the Other improvements and changes. I've been wanting this feature for a long time.
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IDK?
Mr Ian B said:
Just read on android pit.com
Our source has informed us that Android 5.1 will be launched by the end of February 2015, and a second, completely separate source that is also privy to important information regarding Android updates, confirmed it. Not only that, this is allegedly a rather large update with many interesting new features! See the changelog below:
Silent mode added after missing on Android 5.0
General improvements in system stability
Improved RAM management
Fixes for sudden app closures
Improved battery management
Excessive consumption of network devices when used Wi-Fi fixed
Issues with wireless connections fixed
Problems with Okay Google function solved
Notifications problems solved
Some sound problems experience by certain devices fixed
Other improvements and changes
Changes in the Material Design color palette (after users complaints, possibly for a higher version though)
So far there is no information about functions that it might bring, but we'll be sure to report on those as soon as we hear it.
Android 5.0 was a fantastic update, however it did bring its own list of issues, which we covered how to fix in our Android 5.0 Lollipop common problems and solutions article. That being said, Android 5.1 could get rid of many of the problems we saw here!
Android 6.0: let’s invent the ultimate Android OS
Android 5.0.1 Lollipop update: when will my device get it?
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As far as I can tell and this being my first Nexus device, development is rather slow. Also to me the whole lollipop android seems very unpolished and lack luster. So many fixed things that cannot be changed without a lot of people in this community doing a lot of work. Simple things like hiding navigation bar and being able to select what one wants on the navigation bar are sorely missing and should be standard on Android. No notification LED, what the ****, even my HTC HD2 had that working and available, in fact that phone was one of the easiest and most customizable phones I've ever owned.
There are so many seemingly standard and simple things that seem to have been left out and on top of that locking the bootloader from the get go just does not scream please feel free to customize me. I thought the Nexus would be a device that, like android would support open source and many wonderful improvements by community users. I don't know, but if I was not told this is a Nexus device, I would swear it was a branded phone of a much less expensive manufacturer. I will keep it until the next update, but if they don't add even the most basic features, and some open source customizations ability to it, I guess I will have to leave the fold. Yes, this phone did not make me a fan of any kind. Nice specs, but not utilized to their full potential and one of the worst experiences out of the box. Makes me appreciate the polish of Samsung, HTC, LG and others.
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As far as I can tell and this being my first Nexus device, development is rather slow. Also to me the whole lollipop android seems very unpolished and lack luster. So many fixed things that cannot be changed without a lot of people in this community doing a lot of work. Simple things like hiding navigation bar and being able to select what one wants on the navigation bar are sorely missing and should be standard on Android. No notification LED, what the ****, even my HTC HD2 had that working and available, in fact that phone was one of the easiest and most customizable phones I've ever owned.
There are so many seemingly standard and simple things that seem to have been left out and on top of that locking the bootloader from the get go just does not scream please feel free to customize me. I thought the Nexus would be a device that, like android would support open source and many wonderful improvements by community users. I don't know, but if I was not told this is a Nexus device, I would swear it was a branded phone of a much less expensive manufacturer. I will keep it until the next update, but if they don't add even the most basic features, and some open source customizations ability to it, I guess I will have to leave the fold. Yes, this phone did not make me a fan of any kind. Nice specs, but not utilized to their full potential and one of the worst experiences out of the box. Makes me appreciate the polish of Samsung, HTC, LG and others.
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Slow amigo? We got root and ROMs and twrp all in less time than Samsung devices simply to get root.
Polish takes more than 1 month since hardware release. This device is brand spanking new on an entirely new and unfamiliar code base.
I had a note 4. It's a great phone feature wise however performance wise the nexus blows it out of the ball park. No lag whatsoever, i do hear the odd crackle from the speaker when starting it up and when the unlock/lock sound plays but that's it. Hope the sound improvements mentioned in the change log will address that. Looking forward to it.
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sweet that means I'll get 5.1 on my nexus 6 same time as I get 5.01
I hope this is true.
I'm hoping that the color palate change will add a darker material design. I always like the holo dark, and switching to the high contrast material design was pretty big. I like in google keyboard you can change it to dark material in the settings, but I'd like to see that on a stock ROM. (I'm waiting for a big ROM like CM, PA, Slim, or Omni to release stable, because I love the features, but I require ota )
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ignoring the fan boy post above yours.
l3uddz said:
I had a note 4. It's a great phone feature wise however performance wise the nexus blows it out of the ball park. No lag whatsoever, i do hear the odd crackle from the speaker when starting it up and when the unlock/lock sound plays but that's it. Hope the sound improvements mentioned in the change log will address that. Looking forward to it.
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I have the crackle to, thought it was another feature. Just like the disabled LED. It also does that when it's been asleep for a while and someone calls. The ring tone is distorted until the phone? wakes. Let's hope? that many people here will work long and hard to make this phone? better.
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I'm really pumped for the Other improvements and changes. I've been wanting this feature for a long time.
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lol
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I have the crackle to, thought it was another feature. Just like the disabled LED. It also does that when it's been asleep for a while and someone calls. The ring tone is distorted until the phone? wakes. Let's hope? that many people here will work long and hard to make this phone? better.
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In my completely uneducated opinion that sounds like a very solvable issue with audio processor priority.
i just want wifi calling....
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I have the crackle to, thought it was another feature. Just like the disabled LED. It also does that when it's been asleep for a while and someone calls. The ring tone is distorted until the phone�� wakes. Let's hope�� that many people here will work long and hard to make this phone�� better.
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How is his post a fanboy post? It's literally spot on. The Nexus 6 is BRAND NEW. I mean, the phone went on pre-order late October and very few have been able to get their hands on one because of it's unavailability. Despite that, we have plenty of action going on in development. It seems like you haven't bothered to check.
Also, reading your posts lately on the forum, it seems like you 'ignore' everyone that disagrees with you. Then you call others 'fanboys'.
Anyone see a problem with that?
I would love to see official supported notification LED or improved ambient display. So I wanna have a recognizable notification method of i don´t stare permanently on my mobile and don´t have to pick up.
Jrmiller said:
i just want wifi calling....
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Use hangouts and hangouts dialer and Google voice.
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Silent mode at long last.
jamcswain said:
I'm hoping that the color palate change will add a darker material design. I always like the holo dark, and switching to the high contrast material design was pretty big. I like in google keyboard you can change it to dark material in the settings, but I'd like to see that on a stock ROM. (I'm waiting for a big ROM like CM, PA, Slim, or Omni to release stable, because I love the features, but I require ota )
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Seems really odd that Google releases a dark version of android back in version 4.0 but uses LCDs on their reference phones, but now they release 5.0 with bright colors and use AMOLED. It seems it should have been reversed.
So I like many of you have been jonesing for some sweet lollipop action. It's frustrating to have a top end device and to have to wait. But for those of you who have not had the opportunity to play with lollipop let me just tell you, it ain't ready for prime time. I was excited to get it on my nvidia shield tablet, and in the end unlocked the bootloader and went backt to 4.2 because it was so buggy. I know the user experience varies some from device to device, and the new features are cool. But it will be much better to get our droids updated with a solid release, esp. since we won't have the option to turn back the clock with our locked boot loaders. I know it's not what most want to hear, but It's made me a lot more patient with regards to our Turbos getting updated.
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So I like many of you have been jonesing for some sweet lollipop action. It's frustrating to have a top end device and to have to wait. But for those of you who have not had the opportunity to play with lollipop let me just tell you, it ain't ready for prime time. I was excited to get it on my nvidia shield tablet, and in the end unlocked the bootloader and went backt to 4.2 because it was so buggy. I know the user experience varies some from device to device, and the new features are cool. But it will be much better to get our droids updated with a solid release, esp. since we won't have the option to turn back the clock with our locked boot loaders. I know it's not what most want to hear, but It's made me a lot more patient with regards to our Turbos getting updated.
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I keep seeing people saying things like this. I came from a nexus 5 with lollipop and never had any issues. 5.0 is a stable release. What was "buggy" for you?
For the nvidia shield, it just dogged down the tablet. Chrome froze often in browsing situations, FB had a major memory leak problem, and as a whole the tablet just slowed down and began to hang frequently. I factory reset after the OTA and was running totally stock and it down graded the user experience significantly. Many others reported very similar experiences on that device. I just read today they've released a 5.0.1 update, so I'm definately going to watch that closely because lollipop is definately cool. Esp. the smart lock, screen pinning, and new material design look. But it is all pretty useless if it dogs your hardware. I'm sure they will get it fixed, but all I'm saying is I'd rather have it running right on the turbo, than running like it was on the nvidia shield, esp. since our turbos are locked down and their is no way going back.
Nvidia shield has an Nvidia processor, this is the problem
I put lolliop on my nexus 7(2012) and i was amazed at the improvrment. Seemed like it freed up memory and it was buttery snooth. My only complant would be the white backgrounds and keyboards. Haven't seen it on phone yet. Can't wait
I also saw a lot of bugs on both a moto g 2014 and the nexus 6. There are always people who do not have the same experiences, but for me it was nowhere near what I consider stable.
Still no issues on the 2013 nexus 7 or 1st gen moto g. I also don't see the point of these "keep calm" threads. It's about as useful as the "unlock our bootloader" threads
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Nvidia shield has an Nvidia processor, this is the problem
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I have the Shield Tablet and see the lollipop upgrade as awesome. It is the fastest tablet available besides the Nexus 9 in some cases. Lollipop is definite improvement over KitKat in every way.
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I put lolliop on my nexus 7(2012) and i was amazed at the improvrment. Seemed like it freed up memory and it was buttery snooth. My only complant would be the white backgrounds and keyboards. Haven't seen it on phone yet. Can't wait
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wut? I have a 2012 nexus 7 (grouper) and lollipop made it ridiculously slow. That and the fact that the ota update broke root pushed me to try cm11.
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wut? I have a 2012 nexus 7 (grouper) and lollipop made it ridiculously slow. That and the fact that the ota update broke root pushed me to try cm11.
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5.0 was really slow, now 5.0.2 has fixed that and its better than kitkat for me.
5.0...0.1 and 0.2 were all smooth on my Nexus 7 (2013LTE) No issues so far. Occasional bootloop with am unstable CM build..but stock 5.0 no issues. Smooth as silk.. Better battery life for me as well..Very happy indeed..
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wut? I have a 2012 nexus 7 (grouper) and lollipop made it ridiculously slow. That and the fact that the ota update broke root pushed me to try cm11.
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Garbage NAND, a known issue slightly patched. That was the curse of the 2012 N7.
OTAs always break root. You shoul have known. Reroot it, its not a big deal.
I can't be the only one not enjoying lollipop. I feel like it's been dumbed down, had features scrubbed, just horrible experience.
Google and AOSP thrived on customization and user experience. I feel that 5.0 and 5.1 are a step away from that. I'm not even an "early adaptor" this far into the release, yet I feel like a beta tester. Random reboots, Webview crashing tons of apps, I can't use Firefox or Chrome for 10 minutes without a crash, Xposed being dysfunctional. The "interruptions" function is unintuitive. Aesthetically I feel JB and Kk were superior in almost all regards.
I support developers when I can, I want to do nothing but further the Android cause. I can't code so I "buy a beer" for the guys that can occasionally. But each day I'm less and less optimistic about androids future.
Idroid, here we come.
Am I crazy or does anyone else want their 4.4 back as much as I do?
I haven't had any of those problems on 5.0 or 5.1. Are you using a custom ROM or just stock?
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I can't be the only one not enjoying lollipop. I feel like it's been dumbed down, had features scrubbed, just horrible experience.
Google and AOSP thrived on customization and user experience. I feel that 5.0 and 5.1 are a step away from that. I'm not even an "early adaptor" this far into the release, yet I feel like a beta tester. Random reboots, Webview crashing tons of apps, I can't use Firefox or Chrome for 10 minutes without a crash, Xposed being dysfunctional. The "interruptions" function is unintuitive. Aesthetically I feel JB and Kk were superior in almost all regards.
I support developers when I can, I want to do nothing but further the Android cause. I can't code so I "buy a beer" for the guys that can occasionally. But each day I'm less and less optimistic about androids future.
Idroid, here we come.
Am I crazy or does anyone else want their 4.4 back as much as I do?
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The hell you talking about? Lollipop has been rock solid for me. What features were removed? And if you're using Xposed, that's probably your problem-- it's an ALPHA.
These are from a mix of stock and Euphoria. It seemed like the amount of work by devs that went into 4.0+ OS was incredible. Now it's echo chamber reassurances of its better, it's better, so smooth, look at material design. *sip green koolaid*
It feels as if the blind notion of "if it's apple it's great" is engulfing android. I want more devs, more AOSP projects, originality.
I am soapboxing a little here but I digress.
I am dissatisfied with the visual and functional direction android is going and want to head back to Kitkat.
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The hell you talking about? Lollipop has been rock solid for me. What features were removed? And if you're using Xposed, that's probably your problem-- it's an ALPHA.
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One example. My vibration strength for hepatic feedback and phone ring are linked. I'd like my phone to vibrate on 100% but my key presses to be about 40%. Quick toggle shortcuts are mangled. Lockscreen notification is not on a per app basis.
Forced encryption is an unnecessary tool for most users. If your phone gets turned off after being lost a person who finds it has no owner information. Would device manager even be able to remote lock and erase?
The reason I threw in Xposed dysfunction is because it worked on 4.4. It was a reason I wanted to retreat back to my Kitkat.
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One example. My vibration strength for hepatic feedback and phone ring are linked. I'd like my phone to vibrate on 100% but my key presses to be about 40%. Quick toggle shortcuts are mangled. Lockscreen notification is not on a per app basis.
Forced encryption is an unnecessary tool for most users. If your phone gets turned off after being lost a person who finds it has no owner information. Would device manager even be able to remote lock and erase?
The reason I threw in Xposed dysfunction is because it worked on 4.4. It was a reason I wanted to retreat back to my Kitkat.
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For the encryption, your owner info appears on the password/pattern page when the device is turned on. I can't comment on the vibration cause I can't even feel it at 100%.
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One example. My vibration strength for hepatic feedback and phone ring are linked. I'd like my phone to vibrate on 100% but my key presses to be about 40%. Quick toggle shortcuts are mangled. Lockscreen notification is not on a per app basis.
Forced encryption is an unnecessary tool for most users. If your phone gets turned off after being lost a person who finds it has no owner information. Would device manager even be able to remote lock and erase?
The reason I threw in Xposed dysfunction is because it worked on 4.4. It was a reason I wanted to retreat back to my Kitkat.
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A lot of your complaints in this post also are not addressed in stock KitKat. Sounds more like you miss a particular custom experience.
I've heard of these webview crashes but not once had one. Which seems weird because as a software developer I abuse my phone regularly.
The encryption is more useful with malicious software or network attacks.
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One example. My vibration strength for hepatic feedback and phone ring are linked. I'd like my phone to vibrate on 100% but my key presses to be about 40%. Quick toggle shortcuts are mangled. Lockscreen notification is not on a per app basis.
Forced encryption is an unnecessary tool for most users. If your phone gets turned off after being lost a person who finds it has no owner information. Would device manager even be able to remote lock and erase?
The reason I threw in Xposed dysfunction is because it worked on 4.4. It was a reason I wanted to retreat back to my Kitkat.
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Well seems like you are the only one missing kitkat so if anything sell your nexus 6 and get you an older phone that's still running kitkat while the rest of us enjoy our lollipop.
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The hell you talking about? Lollipop has been rock solid for me. What features were removed? And if you're using Xposed, that's probably your problem-- it's an ALPHA.
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Lmao only reason i would want kit kat is for the roms.......miui for example
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Sounds more like you miss a particular custom experience.
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Exactly my point. Lollipop ain't cutting it in terms of customization.
I guess it is just me then. [emoji58] I'll just have live with it until gravity box or something of its sort comes along.
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Exactly my point. Lollipop ain't cutting it in terms of customization.
I guess it is just me then. [emoji58] I'll just have live with it until gravity box or something of its sort comes along.
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Or you could customize it yourself. Thats how most rom modders get started. What it comes down to is not that you miss Kitkat, but that you want years of development in a shorter time.
I would also like to try a kitkat rom as i still have multiple apps and games that are not compatable with Lolipop.
Surprised we haven't seen a rom. Since certain (rare) N6 actually shipped with 4.4.4
Hand76 said:
I would also like to try a kitkat rom as i still have multiple apps and games that are not compatable with Lolipop.
Surprised we haven't seen a rom. Since certain (rare) N6 actually shipped with 4.4.4
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Yeah and they didn't work because they had been flashed with the wrong image.
http://www.droidmatters.com/news/at...ne-running-android-kitkat-wrong-model-number/
See the baseband unknown and no signal bars? Thats why nobody bothered. It wasn't Kitkat built for the Nexus 6. XT1080 is the Droid Ultra. This was an early early testing build.
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Yeah and they didn't work because they had been flashed with the wrong image.
http://www.droidmatters.com/news/at...ne-running-android-kitkat-wrong-model-number/
See the baseband unknown and no signal bars? Thats why nobody bothered. It wasn't Kitkat built for the Nexus 6. XT1080 is the Droid Ultra.
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Interesting that explains that. So guess it's not going to happen
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Interesting that explains that. So guess it's not going to happen
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Probably not. The early debug build found would have worked, if the binaries were correct. As you could see in the video and pic, the binaries were not correct. Without that as a starting point, it gets really hard to port it. Its one thing to use Kitkat binaries in Lollipop, but another to use Lollipop binaries in Kitkat.
I honestly think in every aspect, Lollipop is so much better than previous versions of Android. For once, most things follow a specific design, and even apps are following it. That is the one thing I hated about owning an Android phone, one app looks this way and another looks that way, menu coming from the left, some have a menu coming from the right, it was just all over the place. I love how sleek Lollipop looks and honestly, the stuff CM12.1 has right now is great. Maybe I'm not into customizing the crap of the phones like I used to be, maybe that's why I'm satisfied. I remember when I owned a Vibrant I'd even change the bootsounds, boot animation, font, and all this other stuff. Now, I'm content with having some customizations but having a stable ROM with great battery life is priority for me.
Lollipop blows KitKat away...
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I can't be the only one not enjoying lollipop. I feel like it's been dumbed down, had features scrubbed, just horrible experience.
Google and AOSP thrived on customization and user experience. I feel that 5.0 and 5.1 are a step away from that. I'm not even an "early adaptor" this far into the release, yet I feel like a beta tester. Random reboots, Webview crashing tons of apps, I can't use Firefox or Chrome for 10 minutes without a crash, Xposed being dysfunctional. The "interruptions" function is unintuitive. Aesthetically I feel JB and Kk were superior in almost all regards.
I support developers when I can, I want to do nothing but further the Android cause. I can't code so I "buy a beer" for the guys that can occasionally. But each day I'm less and less optimistic about androids future.
Idroid, here we come.
Am I crazy or does anyone else want their 4.4 back as much as I do?
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Those issues are definitely not normal, and I'm betting you have hardware issues as the root cause. Bad RAM, the "hard drive", or something is causing it. 5.1 has been perfect for me with none of those issues.
Hardware issues can be just as common as software. I don't know why people always blame software without even considering it to be hardware. The manufacturing process is not perfect either.
Stock is stable and user experience is what Nexus are meant to be.
I'm enjoying it. I've found cyanogenmod based roms seem to have the most customization. Benzo is really stable. I haven't owned anything besides the Turbo and the N6 since the original droid incredible days so maybe I missed the glory days of kitkat.