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Hello all,
I am posting this in the General forum as I believe it is a general question, although partly related to the new Sony Ericsson Xperia X1 phone. To make a long story short, I am trying to discover which exact frequencies Rogers/Fido uses for their 3G network.
I called Fido today and even the CSR couldn't give me a concrete answer. I would hope to find the real answer out as this will help people interested in using EU/ASIA phones in Canada.
For more information (and so I don't have to double-type), please check the post I made in the Xperia forums below:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2745513&postcount=10
Hopefully any other fellow Canadians out there can help to confirm if Rogers/Fido supports 850 + 1900 + 2100mhz 3G frequency bands (I doubt the 2100).
scar45 said:
Hello all,
Hopefully any other fellow Canadians out there can help to confirm if Rogers/Fido supports 850 + 1900 + 2100mhz 3G frequency bands (I doubt the 2100).
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To the best of my knowledge, Fido is 1900 _only_, Rogers is 850/1900, and they use 850 for 3G, NOT 2100 (2100 is Japan and so on).
I base this on the fact that originally in the late 1990s, Fido would bill itself as 1900MHz service, and Rogers differentiated by claiming 850 reaches better into harder to reach areas like basements, etc.; and now that they are one, they probably share the spectrum.
When they launched the 3G network, they went with 850.
OT but have you gotten your hands on the X1 yet?
[edit] oops just read your thread.
These may be of help:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?referrerid=295219&t=1441969
http://www.howardforums.com/archive/topic/1259262-1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogers_Wireless (claims 850MHz for 3G, no 1900)
Pseudo Nim said:
To the best of my knowledge, Fido is 1900 _only_, Rogers is 850/1900, and they use 2100 for 3G, so you are correct.
I base this on the fact that originally in the late 1990s, Fido would bill itself as 1900MHz service, and Rogers differentiated by claiming 850 reaches better into harder to reach areas like basements, etc.; and now that they are one, they probably share the spectrum.
OT but have you gotten your hands on the X1 yet?
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I haven't actually got my hands on the X1 yet, as I really want to confirm as to whether or not I should get the X1i or X1a...I have been waiting forever and I'm tempted to risk getting the X1i (900/1900/2100mhz 3G), however I am not totally confident that it will work on the Rogers' 3G network.
You claim that Rogers and Fido both use 2100mhz for 3G, and if that is the case, then the X1i should work. I was under the impression that 2100mhz wasn't even used with Rogers, and it was a question of 850 or 1900mhz for 3G. Also, it would appear that Fido no longer has it's own towers, and they only use the Rogers' ones for now. Therefore, I don't believe there would be a difference between Fido or Rogers' actual GSM/3G service.
I'm not so much confused, but rather uninformed as to what frequenct the Rogers' 3G service uses. Whether it's a difference between 850/1900/2100, it would still be good to know if ALL are available in the Toronto area.
Hopefully more Canadians see this thread and can elaborate as to which exact frequency Rogers' 3G truly is.
Thanks for your input Pseudo Nim, it's greatly appreciated to get more info on this issue!
** EDIT ** - Here's what I found from the digitalhome.ca forums which seems to make sense to me (as I remember seeing elsewhere that 850 AND 1900mhz 3G is supported, but Rogers may be turning off 3G on 1900mhz to save bandwidth for voice data). Check the post here:
http://www.digitalhome.ca/forum/showpost.php?p=642523&postcount=11
Looks like I might just wait (even longer) and get the X1a to guarantee that it will access the Rogers 3G network on 850mhz (if they do end up using that frequency exclusively).
damnit!
Hi there,
Here's a few links that may help:
http://store.nokia.ca/support.php?page=faq (Search page for Rogers)
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=652905
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_ca.shtml
To summarize: It looks like both Rogers and Fido operate on the GSM 850/1900. Before Rogers bought Fido though, Fido was using only GSM 1900 (which is why some older sources say that Fido is only GSM 1900).
If you're a Fido subscriber, I'm not sure if you would have to pay for the "Rogers Extended Network" coverage to get on their 850 band.
EGMine said:
To summarize: It looks like both Rogers and Fido operate on the GSM 850/1900. Before Rogers bought Fido though, Fido was using only GSM 1900 (which is why some older sources say that Fido is only GSM 1900).
If you're a Fido subscriber, I'm not sure if you would have to pay for the "Rogers Extended Network" coverage to get on their 850 band.
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Good point about the Extended Network charge, I will have to call Fido and ask them if I would be able to connect to 3G/HSDPA on the 850mhz band. The thing is, when I was talking with the Fido CSR today, he claimed that Fido no longer really even has towers, and that ALL traffic is over the Rogers network.
I would love to figure out which band I am on, however I have an HTC Universal with NO 3G capabilities, so all I would see is the GSM network (would still be nice, altho I'm not even sure if the Uni i have supports the 850mhz band...I'm currently on 1900mhz). Does anyone know how to verify information like this under WinMo?
I know the GSM voice frequencies of Rogers/Fido, however it was rumoured that 3G was going to be disabled on the 1900mhz band, because 850mhz was stronger, and they needed to free up voice bandwidth.
Anyways, if there is a way to do a field test in WinMo, it would be good to know so I can see more details of what I'm connected to. I'll start hunting and post a link if I come across it first tho.
This is probably a mute point but i'm sure it's safe to say that Rogers doesn't operate 3G on either 900 or 2100. I've got a touch pro and it doesn't work on 3G at all. My Kaiser did altho I only got about 3Mbps speeds which's why i went for the TP. Shoulda stuck with the Kaiser heh.
My X1i doesn't seem to be connecting to Rogers under 3G (only EDGE)....
But why is this setting here then? I want X1a ROM's please! hehe
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I get 3G in some places and Edge in smaller cities with Rogers
rogers does also have SOME 1700Mhz t-mobile version of 3g setup in Vancouver because of the olympics, now it certainly doesnt compare to the 3.5G that i get with a rogers device, but its better then nothing.
my x1iii works rogers 3G
i'm in Toronto and my x1i 3G is working now out of know where
jdx1 said:
i'm in Toronto and my x1i 3G is working now out of know where
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JDX, are you positive that it's on 3G/HSDPA? I also have an X1i (since November 2008) and I have yet to get on 3G with it...good God I hope this is true...
Also, are you in the downtown core, or out in the suburbs?
jdx1, you are not crazy. I am getting 3G now too!
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jdx1, you are not crazy. I am getting 3G now too!
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u serious???
My i8910 HD has same GSM 850/900/1900/2100, and UMTS 900/1900/2100, but NO 3G since I bought it a few months ago
I'm on Fido (which uses Rogers network), but live in Calgary thou....
I gave up on 3G at first, but if this miracle is true, u must tell me how u got this to work!?
I work at St Clair and Yonge, before 2 weeks ago, i have been getting GPRS (not even edge) with my Atom life (1900/2100). The only place that I have ever seen 3G is right outside the urban behavior store in erin mills, for some reason i get 3G there.
Since 2 weeks ago, i have been getting constant 3G icon when my phone is on my working deskop.
As i walk down the street, i get H icon and when i try to sync with MyPhone, it is blazing fast.. compared to what i have before.
I have to commment tho, in some places it goes on and off, and sometimes the reception for voice isnt that great as compared to before.
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u serious???
My i8910 HD has same GSM 850/900/1900/2100, and UMTS 900/1900/2100, but NO 3G since I bought it a few months ago
I'm on Fido (which uses Rogers network), but live in Calgary thou....
I gave up on 3G at first, but if this miracle is true, u must tell me how u got this to work!?
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I'm in the vancouver downtown area, and noticed that my x1i is now connecting 3g / H as well!
I hope it's not just temporary.. .did a couple speed tests, and it ranges from 200kb - 600kb.
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I was on the bus today in the morning coming down 16th, and my X1i constantly changed from E to 3g and H between Oak and Cambie, West 16th.
Thanx, guys for all the replies, u r all SO lucky lol!
****, if only this miracle can come to Calgary soon enough...
Update: 3 weeks later:
and it DID haha, I abandoned Fido, and so now get 3g+ with Telus's new HSPA network....
I posted on HowardForums about this:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?p=13131032
according to toolcube, rogers is indeed building out more capacity on the 1900 band.
Well, I'm pretty sure that fido is only using the 1900 network, as stated on their website.
Frequency
The rate at which a waveform or signal alternates. This rate is usually measured in hertz, a unit meaning cycles per second. Voice and data transmission is expressed in millions of hertz, called megahertz (MHz). 1900, 1800, 900 and 850 MHz are the main frequency bands. Fido uses the 1900 band.
http://www.fido.ca/web/page/portal/Fido/Glossary
and says that they run 3g as well (what it appears anyways)
3G
A third generation of wireless developments, it uses a mobile wireless technology called HSPA. HSPA (High Speed Packet Access) is the latest evolution of GSM—the dominant world-wide standard for mobile wireless communications. It allows you to enjoy the kind of high-speed Internet and multimedia experience previously only possible on a PC, and gives you first-hand access to high-speed mobile Internet, Video Calling, streaming video, radio on demand, your favourite TV programs, music and mobile communities all on your Fido.
Looked into this yesterday since Rogers is the only carrier selling the HTC Hero which also works on AT&T.
Rogers and AT&T use the same 3G frequencies, so all handsets work on each others networks: 850/1900 for UMTS.
The rest of the world seems to be 900/2100.
And T-Mobile USA is 1700?
I know a lot of us have been wondering, debating, anticipating whether the X1i will support both U.S. 3G bands. There has even been hope with the awesome reviews/wealth of info posted by BengalBoy on his site. His latest commercial proto X1i shows 5 UMTS BANDS! I almost fell over when I saw that. Could the X1i really have penta-band? I would rather have the X1i over the X1a if possible due to the 30fps recording, etc...
Up to this point the Sony Website for the UK says yes to 5 bands...
However, as mentioned by X1rocks on BB's site, a Swede, "Vigge" over on the Inxperia forums posted the band info listed on his retail X1i box recently...
Here it is:
*On the box: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 & UMTS eu1/us2/eu8
That means UMTS 900/1900/2100!
Damn!
Even though BB has 5 UMTS options on his phone, it could simply be "options" that don't have any hardware backup like some people mentioned with the UK Touch Pro...
Sadly, I'm leaning towards the possibility that the X1i will only have 3 UMTS bands, 2 for EU, 1 for U.S. Might have to cancel my order with Clove if this gets enough confirmation...
Any thoughts?
update
Pretty much confirmed that X1i has 1900 UMTS only. Thanks everyone for the replies...
Yes you are correct. The whitepapers have indicated the X1i will have UMTS 900/1900/2100 and Qualcomm 7200A for 30fps recording, while the X1a will have UMTS 850/1900/2100 and Qualcomm 7201A for 24fps recording.
Software options should be taken with a huge grain of salt, as you correctly note with the UK Touch Pro. AFAIK there is no proof that any single model of the X1 will support 5 UMTS bands in the radio, so it is very difficult to make that assumption right now.
In that case, it's crappy news for U.S. users, especially since the X1a likely won't make it's way into the States until early '09.
Damn UMTS bands.... I suppose sharing something common with the rest of the world would be too much to ask for...
Finally nixed my order with Clove this morning...
So in short, the version that is coming to Clove next week will NOT have 3g in the USA..?
That's what I'm wondering... Sent them an e-mail yesterday to confirm that there will be no 850 3G... Still have not heard back... This is absurd... I cannot understand how definitive specs have not been posted. Most Swedish users report no 850 3G present, but, some UK stores say that it will have 850 3G present. I'm confused, tired, and hungry. Damn you X1!
My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Hope this helps.
Yes!!!! It Works With At&t. Period
OdieS said:
My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Hope this helps.
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!
It works in USA with AT&T 3G!!!!!!!!
THANKS!
OdieS said:
My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Hope this helps.
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I've been torn between X1 and Fuze, and this might be a significant decision point -- I really want to believe this but can we safely assume the presence of US 3G bands in the band options guarantees that the hardware itself supports it? or when you activate it in US it would just throw an error?
Edit: changed "Touch Pro" to "Fuze" - TP might not have US 3g hardware
Oh man, I'm still confused as hell and SO badly want to order the damn X1i from the UK
Like I said, Swedish users are saying 900/1900/2100 3G
UK shops and users are saying there is a 850mhz option, BUT, could it simply be an option that when selected leads to a network error like some other users have suggested?? Some other HTC phones have this option...
WTF??!!! Why so much confusion...
"Software options should be taken with a huge grain of salt, as you correctly note with the UK Touch Pro."
This is what I mean when I say the 850/1900 UMTS option could be software only, as fhseih mentioned...
There is no 850MHZ on the X1i, period. Get over it. So..NO the X1i will not work with At&t 3G in the USA or any other GSM provider in the USA on their 3G networks i.e. T-mobile. Edge will work just fine, so you can do everything, but surf the internet super fast and likely GPS will be slow too.....wait a week until we hear the X1a annoucements.
Actually, the X1i will work on AT&T 3G via 1900mhz.
However, I did get an e-mail from Clove (seemingly) confirming that the X1i will not have the 850mhz 3G option.
So there you go. If you want 850 UMTS just to be safe that you will get the ultimate 3G performance in the U.S. wait for the X1a like me...
This is the sticker on the side of my box. Have no idea what the UMTS US2 is, but I'm sure it'll mean something to those in America.
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Artesea,
Thanks for posting that..
As I already was told, that means the X1i has UMTS 1900, but not 850, as I thought..
So, at this point, it would seem, it is confirmed...
mlinz said:
There is no 850MHZ on the X1i, period. Get over it. So..NO the X1i will not work with At&t 3G in the USA or any other GSM provider in the USA on their 3G networks i.e. T-mobile. Edge will work just fine, so you can do everything, but surf the internet super fast and likely GPS will be slow too.....wait a week until we hear the X1a annoucements.
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Wrong! AT&T 3G works mostly over UMTS 1900.
The coverage map the 850 overlaps in most places with 1900
I'm in New York here ATT have both 850/1900 and G3
IMPORTANT: No all areas with 1900 have 3G. If you are close to metropolitan areas you might be lucky. Check this map. or go to AT&T site and check coverage locally.
http://cellularmap.net/att_850_1900.shtml
get fieldtest.exe to check if ATT has 1900umts 3G in your area! most htc phones should have fieldtest.exe in /windows folder.
Yes, but wait for the US version and you also get crappy video recording and have to wait an eternity to get it.
I'm hoping the 1900 3G is reliable in my area. Damn them - why couldn't they do pentaband 3G.
SCtud said:
Yes, but wait for the US version and you also get crappy video recording and have to wait an eternity to get it.
I'm hoping the 1900 3G is reliable in my area. Damn them - why couldn't they do pentaband 3G.
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Because the lawsuit is only in NA
I understand that most of At&t's original "3g" network is 1900mhz, this however doesn't mean much to most people and if you are expecting speeds to be faster using 1900mhz over 850mhz EDGE/2G you are mistaken. In many cases they are very similar..
1900mhz provides a larger coverage area with fewer towers, this results in slower speeds and weak penetration. Meaning you will have more trouble getting signal indoors and if you have good signal don't expect much speed increase over Edge.
850mhz is shorter range and higher penetration, this offers the 3G speeds most people would expect and good reception indoors. The problem is coverage area is smaller so if you need to be closer to towers for good service. Metro areas have large clusters of towers so signal is usually better, but if its only 1900mhz its still going to be slower. This is the main issue with iphone 3G in the USA and reportedly bad speeds. It runs specifically on 1900mhz frequency for 3G. The reason 850 coverage is less is because their Edge/2G is specifically 850mhz so replacing towers with 3G specific ones kills phones with out 3G radios equipped for the band.
The reason I am saying it "doesn't work" is because for true 3G signal/speed etc you want a combination of 850mhz and 1900mhz..or solid 850 coverage..most areas don't have this yet. In my case I live in a City with solid 850mhz and 1900mhz coverage. So 3G on 1900mhz isn't horrible, its no where near as good as 850MHZ 3G in the same building.
Would these help?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
http://www.engadget.com/2012/09/12/galaxy-note-2-fcc/
Sweet! At least we know it's already at the FCC and will most likely be good to go.
No U.S. LTE on this one (as expected), but that's good for those of us who hope to use this on our Unlimited MediaNet plans.
I think...the N7100 version is the one everyone is waiting for. At least I am.
Je le croyais aussi.
N7100 vs N7105
I really have no idea but it appears the N7105 is international version with no LTE, at least that works with ATT. The N7100 is the model number with LTE that will work with ATT. Is this true? Negri Electronics is selling the N7100, the spec says "4G Network LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100". Does this work with ATT 4G LTE? Is this the model, if you want LTE, to buy?
I preordered from Negri a week ago, but definitely want LTE in U.S.so keep order or cancel? Many websites reference in specs LTE but others call for 2 models....anyone really know. Clove U.K. simply calls device Samsung Note 2, no reference to N7100 or N7105. It clearly doesn't show in specs 4G LTE, only 3G.Handtec (U.K.) calls out phone N7100 with the following spec:"3G: HSPA＋ 21Mbps (HSDPA 21Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps) 4G LTE: 100Mbps/ 50Mbps (HDSPA 42Mbps / HSUPA 5.76Mbps)
So which is it? Does anyone know?
It should work because ATT operates Lte on the 1700 and 2100 bands.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies
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It should work because ATT operates Lte on the 1700 and 2100 bands.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_frequencies
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Yes... Same with Bell Canada LTE 700/1700/2100.
However what's confusing me is reading from the verge preview is the n7100 didn't have LTE.
Gsmarena also states this and list LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100 - N7105.
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Agree
ciscostud said:
Yes... Same with Bell Canada LTE 700/1700/2100.
However what's confusing me is reading from the verge preview is the n7100 didn't have LTE.
Gsmarena also states this and list LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 2100 - N7105.
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That's the problem seems to have conflicting opinions, like no one really knows.i just asked Negri electronics ans this is what he wrote:
Anthony - Negri Care
Hey Bob, I do see your inquiry. According to specs this unit will get the full LTE mobile data speeds but we are unable to guarantee this until they are released.
So maybe all speculation and we won't know until this device is released.
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That's the problem seems to have conflicting opinions, like no one really knows.i just asked Negri electronics ans this is what he wrote:
Anthony - Negri Care
Hey Bob, I do see your inquiry. According to specs this unit will get the full LTE mobile data speeds but we are unable to guarantee this until they are released.
So maybe all speculation and we won't know until this device is released.
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Ya... N7105 from my research looks like its the Lte version thats compatible with att and bell Canada. I'm going to wait till 100% confirmed.
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Ya... N7105 from my research looks like its the Lte version thats compatible with att and bell Canada. I'm going to wait till 100% confirmed.
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Will the 7105 be also compatible with the Rogers LTE network? Im not sure what bands Rogers uses..
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Will the 7105 be also compatible with the Rogers LTE network? Im not sure what bands Rogers uses..
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Not sure... I saw today on cloves Site they don't yet mention any 4G specs for note 2.
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Hey team, surely we can figure this out. I have an M8, rooted on VZW in the USA. I am going to buy an M9+ on amazon purely for fun. On PhoneArena, it specifies that it does recieve 700 band LTE, VZW's main LTE band. VZW owns the 700MHz Upper Block C (band 13) so I believe it will be compatible, just not with XLTE, which uses band 4 (1700MHz). Just looking for someone selling one or any tricks thanks!
Don't forget that Verizon is CDMA based while the M9+ is GSM only. Even if Verizon uses SIM cards for LTE & device might not work. Also note that LTE is only used for data, so even if it did work, you'll probably not get voice calls.
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Don't forget that Verizon is CDMA based while the M9+ is GSM only. Even if Verizon uses SIM cards for LTE & device might not work. Also note that LTE is only used for data, so even if it did work, you'll probably not get voice calls.
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Thanks! That's a great point as well. My speculation is that the VoLTE for Verizon, which utilizes the 700 band. So maybe VoLTE would still work. I'm sure an M9/M8 Sense 7 rom port could work.. Verizon also is CDMA dominant but supports international GSM. So my dinners are crossed. Comments? Questions?
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http://www.htc.com/sea/smartphones/htc-one-m9-plus/
4G LTE:
FDD: Bands 1,3,5,7,8,28
TDD: Bands 38, 39, 40, 41
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Asian 700MHz band is different from the North American ones.
stephenju said:
http://www.htc.com/sea/smartphones/htc-one-m9-plus/
Asian 700MHz band is different from the North American ones.
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Of course, just wish there was a way to swap antennae/get a NA M9+ lol
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Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.
stephenju said:
Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands are they.
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Oh really? F*ckin juicy.. Sane thing, my Nexus is unlocked and finds T-Mo, Sprint and VZW, no AT&T. So will it work?! (in theory)
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/one-m9/general/how-to-change-network-bands-gsm-devices-t3135401
It's sad i can't find the following directory in my M9+.
/sys/devices/virtual/android_usb/android0/f_diag
Maybe somebody have the enough knowledge to help dig the bands in MTK SoC.
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Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.
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I have used the M9+ in DC on the Cricket network and I only get 3G. I think there are ways by which bands can be unlocked. I remember having a similar thing back when I was using the One X.
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stephenju said:
Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area:
I believe 4G is LTE. Weird thing is it didn't find AT&T 4G (Cricket is on AT&T). Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.
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Band 4 AWS
stephenju said:
Now I did find these networks when doing a network scan with my TW version of M9+ in Boston area..
Unfortunately I can't find a way to see which bands they are.
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denco1 said:
Band 4 AWS
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By TW do you mean Taiwanese? I am assured this is an authentic Taiwanese HTC, I was checking on the Uh Oh Protection. Is the band 4 AWS correct? Is that the part of the 700 band that is shared by most LTE networks?
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Well, I pulled the trigger. After seeing your screenshots, I'm going with the M9+.
Just selling my M8 for ~$450.
denver.craigslist.org/mob/5174687185.html
Just bought this gold on silver baddie for ~$582!!
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Band 4 AWS is 1700/2100 not 700MHz.
droidBOOST said:
Well, I pulled the trigger. After seeing your screenshots, I'm going with the M9+.
Just sold my M8 for ~$470.
Just bough this gold on silver baddie for ~$582!!
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I would suggest that you cancel the order if you still can. Even if it does somehow support Vz 700 or AWS band, which I strongly doubt, you won't be able to make calls since Vz use CDMA for that. M9+ probably doesn't support VoLTE either so you end up with a 5.2 inch tablet at best.
stephenju said:
I would suggest that you cancel the order if you still can. Even if it does somehow support Vz 700 or AWS band, which I strongly doubt, you won't be able to make calls since Vz use CDMA for that. M9+ probably doesn't support VoLTE either so you end up with a 5.2 inch tablet at best.
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AWS should work. I route most my calling over Wi-Fi/data anyways. If calling doesn't work, I am going to use the Project Fi sim from my Nexus 6. I'm on Wi-Fi literally almost everywhere. I wonder if anyone has thought of flashing the M9 dialer over to the M9+. I've edited my scripts and got VoLTE to work for my HTC M8 with something similar. Any dev suggestions?
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Got the M9+ today and it's stunning, of course. It's not surprising that it won't with Verizon, but it is a great phone. Still looking into Project Fi.
My VZW should allow you to connect to Verizon.. haha just the phone.
Will update with more info upon Fi-ing/root.
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droidBOOST said:
Update
Got the M9+ today and it's stunning, of course. It's not surprising that it won't with Verizon, but it is a great phone. Still looking into Project Fi.
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Is this with Vz SIM card?
Anyways, I don't think it works with any US LTE network. It probably picked up the 2100MHz downlink part of AWS in the network search. Since it lacks the 1700MHz uplink part, it can't really use it. You are better off switch to AT&T or TMO and use their 1900MHz 3G (HSDPA+, US carriers call it 4G) networks.
stephenju said:
Is this with Vz SIM card?
Anyways, I don't think it works with any US LTE network. It probably picked up the 2100MHz downlink part of AWS in the network search. Since it lacks the 1700MHz uplink part, it can't really use it. You are better off switch to AT&T or TMO and use their 1900MHz 3G (HSDPA+, US carriers call it 4G) networks.
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Its a Verizon sim out of my M8, currently active. I think it works on the LTE so it picks up the 4G network, but without the CDMA backbone it wont connect. Says it will work on any GSM network in the US, maybe flip it here in the states instead of selling it. Any root suggestions?
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I've ordered a new Moto G4 Plus off Amazon.in (Amazon for India) .
Link of the product that i bought : http://www.amazon.in/Moto-Plus-4th-Gen-Black/dp/B01DDP7GZK
Look at the Specs (Focus on Connectivity Technologies )
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Now, take a look here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators_of_the_Americas#United_States
My Question is, will my device (the one bought in India) work in USA without any additional effort (like unlocking or something) ?
And IF unlocking is necessary to make my device work in the USA, please point me to the required resource .
Additionally, I'd like to show this to you :
Summarising the entire question in one sentence --> "Will a Moto G Plus 4th Gen bought in India work in USA ?"
Thanks people, in advance, for answering my question . Thank you :* .
The Indian model should be SIM unlocked, but it might be locked if you buy it through an Indian carrier (I don't know how it works over there). The Indian model has Quadband GSM, Triband HSPA, and LTE 1, 3, 5, 8, 40.
In the US, on AT&T you'll get 2G (850MHz and 1900MHz), 3G (850MHz), and in a few markets, LTE on Band 5 (which is also 850MHz). It's missing AT&T's primary LTE band 12/17, as well as LTE bands 2 and 4, and 3G on 1900MHz.
On T-Mobile, you'll get 2G on 1900MHz and that's it. It's missing 3G on 1700MHz/2100MHz and 1900MHz, and LTE Bands 2, 4, 12.
It will not work on Verizon or Sprint at all.
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The Indian model should be SIM unlocked, but it might be locked if you buy it through an Indian carrier (I don't know how it works over there). The Indian model has Quadband GSM, Triband HSPA, and LTE 1, 3, 5, 8, 40.
In the US, on AT&T you'll get 2G (850MHz and 1900MHz), 3G (850MHz), and in a few markets, LTE on Band 5 (which is also 850MHz). It's missing AT&T's primary LTE band 12/17, as well as LTE bands 2 and 4, and 3G on 1900MHz.
On T-Mobile, you'll get 2G on 1900MHz and that's it. It's missing 3G on 1700MHz/2100MHz and 1900MHz, and LTE Bands 2, 4, 12.
It will not work on Verizon or Sprint at all.
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Ok.. what would you suggest me ?
Return this phone back and buy a new one in US ?
Or are there phones that I can buy here which will definitely work in USA ?
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Ok.. what would you suggest me ?
Return this phone back and buy a new one in US ?
Or are there phones that I can buy here which will definitely work in USA ?
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The US model of the G4 Plus has Triband CDMA, Quadband GSM, Pentaband (five-band) HSPA, and LTE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 25, 26, 41. It'll work on all major carriers, although some prepaid carriers do not allow unlocked phones as part of their own policy.
Compared to the Indian model, you're missing LTE Band 40. If Band 40 isn't important to you, get the US model.
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The US model of the G4 Plus has Triband CDMA, Quadband GSM, Pentaband (five-band) HSPA, and LTE 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 13, 25, 26, 41. It'll work on all major carriers, although some prepaid carriers do not allow unlocked phones as part of their own policy.
Compared to the Indian model, you're missing LTE Band 40. If Band 40 isn't important to you, get the US model.
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The problem is, I dont have a smart phone right now and i need one.
Let's say i buy the indian model right now. N assuming ill get AT&T sim in US, my phone will have phone calls, messages, 2G, 3G and WiFi right ?
Because thats all i want really. I'll be ok without 4G (dont need it, 3G is enough for me) .
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The problem is, I dont have a smart phone right now and i need one.
Let's say i buy the indian model right now. N assuming ill get AT&T sim in US, my phone will have phone calls, messages, 2G, 3G and WiFi right ?
Because thats all i want really. I'll be ok without 4G (dont need it, 3G is enough for me) .
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Yes, the Indian version will work on AT&T US on 2G and 3G for calls/texts/data and WiFi for data.
Did you get Moto g4 in India? Did it work in USA?
HI ... I am facing same issue...
I brought MOTO -G4 plus from INDIA and currently I am in USA and using AT&T service.
I can only access 2-G network.
Is there any solution so that I can use 4-G network here ??
sagarratunawar said:
HI ... I am facing same issue...
I brought MOTO -G4 plus from INDIA and currently I am in USA and using AT&T service.
I can only access 2-G network.
Is there any solution so that I can use 4-G network here ??
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I am also having the same problem. Did you find any solution?
By any chance, manual installation of Nougat usa release fix the problem?