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Universal and T-Mobile (US) 3G Network....

Are our Universals compatible with the new T-Mobile 3G network in the US? Ive searched the internet, some say no, others say yes....

ATLDON said:
Are our Universals compatible with the new T-Mobile 3G network in the US? Ive searched the internet, some say no, others say yes....
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Well I don´t know in USA, but in México with my Uni I can´t connect to any 3G network as Universal has only for Europe and Asia networks, I think is the same for your country, shame...

orb3000 said:
Well I don´t know in USA, but in México with my Uni I can´t connect to any 3G network as Universal has only for Europe and Asia networks, I think is the same for your country, shame...
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Interesting.......no tweaks?
Just have to see....3G won't be available in my area until the beginning of the year anyway

UPDATE:
T-Mobile 3G works on my I-Mate Jasjar in the Jacksonville Florida area. The only adjustments I had to make was a minor MMS settings change.

Anybody in the northwest US able to connect to T-Mobile's 3G network?
I try to force my band to WCDMA and specify the UMTS freq as 2100, but then it simply doesn't seem to want to register with the network. When I set it to auto, it appears to simply be using GPRS.
Somewhat related, anybody know of a way to force displaying an icon indicating EDGE vs default GPRS connection?
Edit: I just recalled that there's no EDGE support on the Uni, unless I'm mistaken, so disregard that...
Edit (again): So if I'm understanding this properly... The Uni only operates on UMTS/WCDMA/whatever 2100, not 1700, which T-Mobile US uses. It was designed for uk/other 3G usage, not future US 3G usage. So we've got 3G support outside the US, but as far as I can tell - we shouldn't be able to use 3G in the US, at least on T-Mobile's network, since they're using 1700 mhz band/AWS range, and the 2100 mhz band used elsewhere is not compatible. I THINK. I'm honestly just learning about this sort of thing now as I go, despite having had my Uni for a while and having known about T-Mobile rolling out 3G coverage for some time.
ATLDON said:
UPDATE:
T-Mobile 3G works on my I-Mate Jasjar in the Jacksonville Florida area. The only adjustments I had to make was a minor MMS settings change.
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Could you give some more details on this?
Please correct me if I am wrong, but I think the deal is basically, as postulated by orb3000 - no 3G for US Universal users.

I was told by a T-Mobile rep on the phone that if I can connect to 1700 or 2100 mhz band, I should be able to use 3G... So I wonder... Huh.

GRiM_BoB said:
I was told by a T-Mobile rep on the phone that if I can connect to 1700 or 2100 mhz band, I should be able to use 3G... So I wonder... Huh.
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Ive heard not all areas have 3G on both bands. Probably your area doesnt have 2100 mhz yet.

ATLDON said:
Ive heard not all areas have 3G on both bands. Probably your area doesnt have 2100 mhz yet.
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So can you confirm if T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 as:
1700 down/2100 up
1700 voice/2100 data
1700 OR 2100?
Because I've seen a lot of different things saying different things. =/
Incidentally, please go to http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and tell me what speed you get on your phone.

GRiM_BoB said:
So can you confirm if T-Mobile uses 1700/2100 as:
1700 down/2100 up
1700 voice/2100 data
1700 OR 2100?
Because I've seen a lot of different things saying different things. =/
Incidentally, please go to http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed and tell me what speed you get on your phone.
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T-Mobile uses 1700 AND 2100 mhz bands....sent and recieved data ARE NOT SPLIT between the two bands.....voice and data ARE NOT split between bands.
Ill check my speed tonight when I get off work....
I can see the difference between 3G and GPRS though. I have a HTC Wizard that supports EDGE, and my Imate JasJar is only slightly faster than my Wizard. My girlfriend has the new Mobile G1 and her 3G speed run rings around my Imate JasJar internet speed this is probably so because the age of our Universals.

3G Coverage U.S 2100 Frequency With The Univerisal
ATLDON said:
T-Mobile uses 1700 AND 2100 mhz bands....sent and recieved data ARE NOT SPLIT between the two bands.....voice and data ARE NOT split between bands.
Ill check my speed tonight when I get off work....
I can see the difference between 3G and GPRS though. I have a HTC Wizard that supports EDGE, and my Imate JasJar is only slightly faster than my Wizard. My girlfriend has the new Mobile G1 and her 3G speed run rings around my Imate JasJar internet speed this is probably so because the age of our Universals.
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I have a Qtek 9000 and am waiting for the 3G coverage for my area with T-Mobile which should be in the spring of 2009. Over the past few years I have done a great deal of research on this and have also spoken to very knowledgeable Tier 3 T-Mobile staff that are familiar with this and this is what they told me. The universal will work on the 2100 frequency with T-Mobile. T-Mobile will be using the 1700 & 2100 frequency bands in the U.S. for 3G frequency. I know when I visited my relatives in Germany in 2004 Year in the summer as I can speak, read & write German as good as English even though I am first generation in the U.S. which I visit my relatives every 5 years and due to visit them in the summer of 2009 year. The 2100 band was already released in the spring of 2004 year in Germany. But since T-Mobile has only certain cities available that have the 3G coverage in the U.S. which is spotty at this time. Since the T-Mobile G1 was deployed in October this should make the rollout faster in the U.S. for the 1700 & 2100 mhz frequency. Can you please confirm on your I-mate Jasjar on what your 3G speeds are? They should be at least 384 k.p.s. It is also nice to know that the send & receive data, voice & data are not slit between the two bands of 1700 & 2100 mhz frequency.

MobileSpeedTest.com
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Park and ATLDON, thanks for all the info - this is all very good to know, and great news for US Universal users. I'll just have to wait for 3G 2100 to be active here in Portland, then.
Oh, and ATLDON - one more question. Under your Phone Settings, where you can select GSM and UMTS band and Network Type, did you set it to Auto, or force UMTs, or did you even change anything?

GRiM_BoB said:
Park and ATLDON, thanks for all the info - this is all very good to know, and great news for US Universal users. I'll just have to wait for 3G 2100 to be active here in Portland, then.
Oh, and ATLDON - one more question. Under your Phone Settings, where you can select GSM and UMTS band and Network Type, did you set it to Auto, or force UMTs, or did you even change anything?
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I have it set on Auto.

this is interesting stuff, i just got my jasjar as an anniversary gift from my girlfriend and i love the device however anyone that has used HSDPA which i had on my kaiser before i sold it 500-900k going to GPRS has been something that would make one want to cry, and its good news to hear this because i need some form of high speed again, and i'd like to confirm this working because i am going to get a t-mobile prepaid or flex paid sim ASAP to get this going, i am in new york anyone from around here to confirm 2100Mhz?
also anyone able to do a screenshot ?

Funny, I was just trying to get an answer as to whether or not there was a delay in deploying 3G over 1700 vs 2100 mhz to a given area, and I ended up being told "definitively" that unless my handset is able to connect to both freqs, I would be unable to utilize 3G access. CONFUSION. I think there are some disconnects between staff at the T-Mobile customer support, and I haven't really gotten much further than what I would imagine to be tier-two tech support.
I trust in ATLDON's success story, so... Maybe I'll just have to wait and see.
Do you get a 3G indicator somewhere in the taskbar or system tray when you're connected? And what was the MMS setting you had to change? What server are you using for net access? Do you have the $6/mo T-MobileWeb access or one of the other plans?
Sorry for all the questions, just very curious and hopeful that I would soon be able to really use my Uni.

GRiM_BoB said:
Funny, I was just trying to get an answer as to whether or not there was a delay in deploying 3G over 1700 vs 2100 mhz to a given area, and I ended up being told "definitively" that unless my handset is able to connect to both freqs, I would be unable to utilize 3G access. CONFUSION. I think there are some disconnects between staff at the T-Mobile customer support, and I haven't really gotten much further than what I would imagine to be tier-two tech support.
I trust in ATLDON's success story, so... Maybe I'll just have to wait and see.
Do you get a 3G indicator somewhere in the taskbar or system tray when you're connected? And what was the MMS setting you had to change? What server are you using for net access? Do you have the $6/mo T-MobileWeb access or one of the other plans?
Sorry for all the questions, just very curious and hopeful that I would soon be able to really use my Uni.
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The 3G indicators don't work on the 6.1 Roms I use. I havent tried any of the WM 5 roms to see if their indicators work
The MMS connect, I had to change it from T-Mobile MMS to the Internet to send/receive multimedia.
I have the 19.99 unlimited data plan.
I use epc.tmobile.com

Are there any other US Uni users in different areas who can report 3G connectivity?
Thus far I've found my own interactions with T-Mobile tech support to be thoroughly useless in getting any sort of details on AWS/3G/2100mhz deployment (maybe I'm just not talking to the right people?)

So, a couple weeks later (and still impatient ) - anyone else in the US with a Universal able to access T-Mobile's 3G network?

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Interesting. 3G has a maximum of 384Kbs to get faster you need HSDPA which AFAIK the Uni does not have...

i would like to know as well i am going to be off of ATT by the 10th of January and i am in nyc i would really like to know so i can make the switch ASAP

**Confirmed, 850MHZ 3G not on the X1i**

I know a lot of us have been wondering, debating, anticipating whether the X1i will support both U.S. 3G bands. There has even been hope with the awesome reviews/wealth of info posted by BengalBoy on his site. His latest commercial proto X1i shows 5 UMTS BANDS! I almost fell over when I saw that. Could the X1i really have penta-band? I would rather have the X1i over the X1a if possible due to the 30fps recording, etc...
Up to this point the Sony Website for the UK says yes to 5 bands...
However, as mentioned by X1rocks on BB's site, a Swede, "Vigge" over on the Inxperia forums posted the band info listed on his retail X1i box recently...
Here it is:
*On the box: GSM 850/900/1800/1900 & UMTS eu1/us2/eu8
That means UMTS 900/1900/2100!
Damn!
Even though BB has 5 UMTS options on his phone, it could simply be "options" that don't have any hardware backup like some people mentioned with the UK Touch Pro...
Sadly, I'm leaning towards the possibility that the X1i will only have 3 UMTS bands, 2 for EU, 1 for U.S. Might have to cancel my order with Clove if this gets enough confirmation...
Any thoughts?
update
Pretty much confirmed that X1i has 1900 UMTS only. Thanks everyone for the replies...

Yes you are correct. The whitepapers have indicated the X1i will have UMTS 900/1900/2100 and Qualcomm 7200A for 30fps recording, while the X1a will have UMTS 850/1900/2100 and Qualcomm 7201A for 24fps recording.
Software options should be taken with a huge grain of salt, as you correctly note with the UK Touch Pro. AFAIK there is no proof that any single model of the X1 will support 5 UMTS bands in the radio, so it is very difficult to make that assumption right now.

In that case, it's crappy news for U.S. users, especially since the X1a likely won't make it's way into the States until early '09.
Damn UMTS bands.... I suppose sharing something common with the rest of the world would be too much to ask for...
Finally nixed my order with Clove this morning...

So in short, the version that is coming to Clove next week will NOT have 3g in the USA..?

That's what I'm wondering... Sent them an e-mail yesterday to confirm that there will be no 850 3G... Still have not heard back... This is absurd... I cannot understand how definitive specs have not been posted. Most Swedish users report no 850 3G present, but, some UK stores say that it will have 850 3G present. I'm confused, tired, and hungry. Damn you X1!

My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
Hope this helps.

Yes!!!! It Works With At&t. Period
OdieS said:
My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!
It works in USA with AT&T 3G!!!!!!!!
THANKS!

OdieS said:
My Vodafone (UK) X1 handset has the following band options under phone settings:
The band options on my Vodafone X1 are:
GSM(900+1800)+UMTS(2100+900)
GSM(1900+850)+UMTS(1900+850)
UMTS(2100+800)
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I've been torn between X1 and Fuze, and this might be a significant decision point -- I really want to believe this but can we safely assume the presence of US 3G bands in the band options guarantees that the hardware itself supports it? or when you activate it in US it would just throw an error?
Edit: changed "Touch Pro" to "Fuze" - TP might not have US 3g hardware

Oh man, I'm still confused as hell and SO badly want to order the damn X1i from the UK
Like I said, Swedish users are saying 900/1900/2100 3G
UK shops and users are saying there is a 850mhz option, BUT, could it simply be an option that when selected leads to a network error like some other users have suggested?? Some other HTC phones have this option...
WTF??!!! Why so much confusion...

"Software options should be taken with a huge grain of salt, as you correctly note with the UK Touch Pro."
This is what I mean when I say the 850/1900 UMTS option could be software only, as fhseih mentioned...

There is no 850MHZ on the X1i, period. Get over it. So..NO the X1i will not work with At&t 3G in the USA or any other GSM provider in the USA on their 3G networks i.e. T-mobile. Edge will work just fine, so you can do everything, but surf the internet super fast and likely GPS will be slow too.....wait a week until we hear the X1a annoucements.

Actually, the X1i will work on AT&T 3G via 1900mhz.
However, I did get an e-mail from Clove (seemingly) confirming that the X1i will not have the 850mhz 3G option.
So there you go. If you want 850 UMTS just to be safe that you will get the ultimate 3G performance in the U.S. wait for the X1a like me...

This is the sticker on the side of my box. Have no idea what the UMTS US2 is, but I'm sure it'll mean something to those in America.
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Artesea,
Thanks for posting that..
As I already was told, that means the X1i has UMTS 1900, but not 850, as I thought..
So, at this point, it would seem, it is confirmed...

mlinz said:
There is no 850MHZ on the X1i, period. Get over it. So..NO the X1i will not work with At&t 3G in the USA or any other GSM provider in the USA on their 3G networks i.e. T-mobile. Edge will work just fine, so you can do everything, but surf the internet super fast and likely GPS will be slow too.....wait a week until we hear the X1a annoucements.
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Wrong! AT&T 3G works mostly over UMTS 1900.
The coverage map the 850 overlaps in most places with 1900
I'm in New York here ATT have both 850/1900 and G3
IMPORTANT: No all areas with 1900 have 3G. If you are close to metropolitan areas you might be lucky. Check this map. or go to AT&T site and check coverage locally.
http://cellularmap.net/att_850_1900.shtml

get fieldtest.exe to check if ATT has 1900umts 3G in your area! most htc phones should have fieldtest.exe in /windows folder.

Yes, but wait for the US version and you also get crappy video recording and have to wait an eternity to get it.
I'm hoping the 1900 3G is reliable in my area. Damn them - why couldn't they do pentaband 3G.

SCtud said:
Yes, but wait for the US version and you also get crappy video recording and have to wait an eternity to get it.
I'm hoping the 1900 3G is reliable in my area. Damn them - why couldn't they do pentaband 3G.
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Because the lawsuit is only in NA

I understand that most of At&t's original "3g" network is 1900mhz, this however doesn't mean much to most people and if you are expecting speeds to be faster using 1900mhz over 850mhz EDGE/2G you are mistaken. In many cases they are very similar..
1900mhz provides a larger coverage area with fewer towers, this results in slower speeds and weak penetration. Meaning you will have more trouble getting signal indoors and if you have good signal don't expect much speed increase over Edge.
850mhz is shorter range and higher penetration, this offers the 3G speeds most people would expect and good reception indoors. The problem is coverage area is smaller so if you need to be closer to towers for good service. Metro areas have large clusters of towers so signal is usually better, but if its only 1900mhz its still going to be slower. This is the main issue with iphone 3G in the USA and reportedly bad speeds. It runs specifically on 1900mhz frequency for 3G. The reason 850 coverage is less is because their Edge/2G is specifically 850mhz so replacing towers with 3G specific ones kills phones with out 3G radios equipped for the band.
The reason I am saying it "doesn't work" is because for true 3G signal/speed etc you want a combination of 850mhz and 1900mhz..or solid 850 coverage..most areas don't have this yet. In my case I live in a City with solid 850mhz and 1900mhz coverage. So 3G on 1900mhz isn't horrible, its no where near as good as 850MHZ 3G in the same building.

Would these help?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GSM_frequency_bands
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands

Does anyone know what's the HSDPA for AT&T in US? Is it 850/1900?

Does anyone know what's the HSDPA for AT&T in US? Is it 850/1900?

I know that At&t is not 850 as people from the rest of the world who buy iphones 3g in usa can use them on 3g in their countries and only america use 3g on 850

HSDPA is 850/1900 for AT&T. Look at the specs for some of the 3G phones on their website, they should all say 850/1900 UMTS

This is what it looks like to various HTC mfg phones....in Ca.
on my ATT 8525(att wm6.0 rom)= 3G:850, HSDPA:1900
No matter which network is being used 3G is what is displayed
On my X1i only HSDPA: 1900 this connects only in the major metropolitan area! in Ca. I live in a small commuter community so, HSDPA is about 15 mile out of range north or south of me....But we do have 3G: 850(what att uses in their fringe areas) so no joy for my X1i

scl_electronics said:
This is what it looks like to various HTC mfg phones....in Ca.
on my ATT 8525(att wm6.0 rom)= 3G:850, HSDPA:1900
No matter which network is being used 3G is what is displayed
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Download Advanced Configuration Tool (search) and you can turn on HSPDA and the icon. I've read some people had trouble with the setting sticking; however I've had good luck with the stock ATT Rom and latest 1.12.25.19 (I think) radio. Didn't do any speed tests to actually see if it made a difference other than anecdotal evidence.

Not international??

On the TMo site, if you do a compare of the G2 with other phones (e.g. the Vibrant), you will see that the G2 is NOT noted as an international phone. Is this possible, or just a screw-up on the TMo site?

It looks like the G2 will lack 2100 Mhz for 3G in Europe but it is quad band GSM, so it will fall back to edge.
The Vibrant on the other hand has 2100 Mhz and a quad band GSM, so it will get both 3G and edge reception.

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It looks like the G2 will lack 2100 Mhz for 3G in Europe but it is quad band GSM, so it will fall back to edge.
The Vibrant on the other hand has 2100 Mhz and a quad band GSM, so it will get both 3G and edge reception.
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that is very odd but i suppose they want you to only use this thing in the us or they dont want you to unlock it and be able to use 3g on at&t network. but i guess if thats a big issue you could always get the desire z it has less rom but i seriously doubt you will use all of the rom i mean you have 1.5gb which is more than double any other HTC phone 2 date.

I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 2100 Mhz band to use in Europe and Asia. It'll be a huge shocker if it doesn't considering that most of their phones have 2100 Mhz.

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I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 2100 Mhz band to use in Europe and Asia. It'll be a huge shocker if it doesn't considering that most of their phones have 2100 Mhz.
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I don't know jack about the different bands used, so answer me this:
If the G2 has the 2100Mhz band then there is nothing stopping me buying and using it in the UK? I'd rather have the 4GB onboard ROM!

crazy
It would indeed be crazy if the G2 couldn't pick up 3G outside of the US. I mean, my G1 is able to (after I unlocked it and used other carriers' sims, etc.). I'm just hoping it's really just a screw up on the Tmo website. However, all this talk about bands and such is beyond me, but makes me nervous. If anyone can officially clear things up, would be much appreciated. Cheers.

setspeed said:
I don't know jack about the different bands used, so answer me this:
If the G2 has the 2100Mhz band then there is nothing stopping me buying and using it in the UK? I'd rather have the 4GB onboard ROM!
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See, all T-Mobile phones till now, have the 2100Mhz band. Infact its universal in almost all smartphones..
The only thing that will prevent you from getting the G2, is that it will be locked to T-Mobile. If you're just picking it up without a contract, and you're not an existing T-Mobile customer, I doubt they will unlock it for you.
Other alternatives are getting the unlock codes from eBay, I've done it previously for many BlackBerries and they worked perfectly, but I can't vouch for Android phones.
Or wait for XDA community to come up with a way to unlock it, but I feel that might be a software unlock restricted to that particular baseband AFAIK.
Also, T-Mobile smartphones usually have 2 bands, 1700Mhz(for TMo's 3G) and 2100Mhz for Europe and Rest of World. The Vibrant somehow has 1900, maybe because Samsung didn't bother to remove it or dunno why. But I'm pretty sure the G2 will have 1700 and 2100Mhz bands, I will be shocked if it doesn't.
Alternatively, the Desire Z will not have the 1700Mhz band, but I think it will have 900/1900/2100 Mhz for other parts of the world. AFAIK, Japan and some carriers in Australia uses 1900. Europe as a whole uses 2100.
AT&T smartphones uses 850Mhz band, but in some cities they still have the old 1900Mhz band running.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
That list should tell you where all the different bands are used. Note that Japanese carriers use a different type of 1700Mhz band in comparison to T-Mobile USA.

G2 2100 Mhz ?
It struck me as odd that the G2 is listed as not having 2100 Mhz 3g. It may very well be a typo, Phonescoop lists the G2 as having both 1700Mhz and 2100 Mhz.
The 3G frequency that T-Mobile USA uses is not a pure 1700 Mhz, It actually uses one frequency for uplink and a different one for downlink to communicate with the towers. It uses 1700 Mhz for one and 2100 Mhz for the other, I forget which is uplink and downlink.
Most of the rest of the world ouside of the USA uses 2100 Mhz for both uplink and downlink for 3G.
Because of this all T-Mobile 3G smartphones have been able to use 3G on the 2100 Mhz frequency outside the US. It seems unlikely that HTC would disable 2100 Mhz on the G2 especially since it is basically the same as the Desire Z in europe.

Actually, if you looked at the Wiki, 2100Mhz band means 1900Mhz uplink and 2100Mhz downlink. The 1700Mhz spectrum that T-Mobile USA uses is 1700Mhz uplink and 2100Mhz downlink. Very similar... but still very different.
Take a look at the UMTS frequency band wiki page that I have posted in the above post of mine, you should be able to understand how it works.

From what I understand, UMTS services are differentiated by "Bands" rather than frequencies. Many other T-Mobile phones are Band IV AND Band I, whereas this phone is only Band IV.
Europe uses Bands I and VIII (which are the bands which the Desire Z supports).
Neither of these phones can get 3G on AT&T.
Only the G2 can get 3G in the US and Canada.
Most of the Americas primarily support Bands V and II (850/1900Mhz), including AT&T.
So there may be a "latin american" version which will work with AT&T.

So just to make things a bit clear, will the T-Mobile G2 use 3G and HSDPA in the UK & Europe if I unlock it and insert a UK simcard in there or will it be stucked on EDGE?

I'm pretty sure it will work on 3G in Europe(2100Mhz Band). But we can only be sure when the phone releases.

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From what I understand, UMTS services are differentiated by "Bands" rather than frequencies. Many other T-Mobile phones are Band IV AND Band I, whereas this phone is only Band IV.
Europe uses Bands I and VIII (which are the bands which the Desire Z supports).
Neither of these phones can get 3G on AT&T.
Only the G2 can get 3G in the US and Canada.
Most of the Americas primarily support Bands V and II (850/1900Mhz), including AT&T.
So there may be a "latin american" version which will work with AT&T.
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I doubt there will be a latin american version. The G2 will work on T-Mobile, and the Desire Z is an unlocked G2 with 900/1900/2100 Band support (I'm presuming).
I think the G2 will have 1700Mhz(for T-Mobile) and 2100Mhz(for Europe and Asia).
All the other T-Mobile smartphones have 2100Mhz, I've yet to come across a smartphone from T-Mo that only supports 1700Mhz. I really don't think the G2 will be any different.

Superfrag,
Thanks for the correction. I knew the 2100 Mhz frequency overlapped, but could not remember the specification of the other half.

If you check on the HTC website, you will see that the Desire Z is a 900/2100Mhz phone, however, this means that it is a Band I/VIII phone, not Band IV like the G2.
What this means is both phones operate on a downlink frequency range round about (they are not the same) 2100Mhz. However, the Z's uplink frequency range is around 1900Mhz and the G2's uplink range is around 1700Mhz.
This means that you can't send data in the US with the Z or in Europe with the G2, but you could potentially receive data. The problem is, that the phone can't handshake, so I think it will drop any data it receives.
There are latin american versions of a lot of phones, so there is still hope. Just hope that it isn't a Brazilian phone because I am fairly sure they use the same frequencies as Europe.
You can check out the wiki on UMTS Operating Bands here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UMTS_frequency_bands
Note that many T-Mobile phones also support Band I, which is why they work in Europe, the G2 is an exception.

I really don't think the G2 will be an exception. If it is, I will be heavily disappointed, as then I won't buy it since I need the 2100Mhz band..
Oh and just to confirm, where did you read that it will be Band IV only, and not Band I?

If you follow this link you can see the "T-Mobile Compare" page, between the G2 and the Vibrant. Note that the Vibrant supports Band I and Band IV (it lists AWS separately but this is the same thing as 1700/2100) while the G2 only supports Band IV.
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones...97-d234-4683-8b5a-f026b9db5528,&manufacturer=
It could be incorrect information, but I am fairly sure I have seen it repeated elsewhere, I will try to find another source.

as i understood it from all the previous discussions comparing european 3G and USA Tmobile 3g, tmo uses AWS IV bands (1700/2100) for 3G - 1700 for uplink and 2100 for downlink
i was going to import a HTC Desire from Tmo UK, thinking it would still pull 3G on the download side here in the states, and found out Tmo US network, if it doesn't see both bands it will automatically limit the connection to edge speeds
i don't know about using it in europe but here are the specs from Tmo's web
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Honestly, if the G2 can't give me 3g data when I travel outside the US (to Europe, for instance), then that's going to be a dealbreaker, which is crushing as I love the phone otherwise. But is it really possible that this would be the case?? Aren't they marketing the G2 as a great business phone? Forgive me for saying so, but a business phone that can't travel would be a disgrace.

i'd check with tmo tech rep but it may be moot point - last time i went overseas to switzerland, data rates were so intimidating, i limited my net useage to checking emails

anyone confirm that venue pro doesn't have ATT 3g?

Did anyone get a t-mobile venue pro and check to see if it has att 3g?
The samsung vibrant on t-mobile worked on att 3g even though it was advertised as only having 1700mhz 3g bands.
also if someone in the uk can check what 3g bands it has for sure? I have seen conflicting reports.

bigneeker said:
Did anyone get a t-mobile venue pro and check to see if it has att 3g?
The samsung vibrant on t-mobile worked on att 3g even though it was advertised as only having 1700mhz 3g bands.
also if someone in the uk can check what 3g bands it has for sure? I have seen conflicting reports.
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UK = 900/2100 = doesn't work in US 3G
Australia = 900/1900/2100 = doesn't work in US 3G
US = 900/1700/2100 = only works on AWS Band IV in US 3G (a.k.a. T-Mobile).
It's been confirmed by several comments on Engadget that the DVP will NOT work on ATT 3G.
Someone even commented on here to confirm that as well.

Se4nH4x said:
UK = 900/2100 = doesn't work in US 3G
Australia = 900/1900/2100 = doesn't work in US 3G
US = 900/1700/2100 = only works on AWS Band IV in US 3G (a.k.a. T-Mobile).
It's been confirmed by several comments on Engadget that the DVP will NOT work on ATT 3G.
Someone even commented on here to confirm that as well.
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Uhhh, At&t's 3G uses 850 or 1900, not 850 and 1900. The Australian version would work with At&t 3G, it would just be limited.
But since At&t still uses the 1900 band, it'd still work fine.

Funk2641 said:
Uhhh, At&t's 3G uses 850 or 1900, not 850 and 1900. The Australian version would work with At&t 3G, it would just be limited.
But since At&t still uses the 1900 band, it'd still work fine.
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It's 850 download, 1900 upload.
I never said it wouldn't work with ATT, I said it wouldn't work with ATT 3G.
If you just have 1900, you won't get ATT 3G.
It will default to 2G or Edge. The 3G UMTS bands (900/1700/1900/2100) are ignored in this case. It will default to the GMS bands/Edge.

Se4nH4x said:
It's 850 download, 1900 upload.
I never said it wouldn't work with ATT, I said it wouldn't work with ATT 3G.
If you just have 1900, you won't get ATT 3G.
It will default to 2G or Edge. The 3G UMTS bands (900/1700/1900/2100) are ignored in this case. It will default to the GMS bands/Edge.
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No it isn't. You're thinking of Tmobile with 1700/2100. Att 3G uses 850 or 1900. Always has been, always will be until they shut the 1900 band off. Don't believe me?
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this is where the 1900 band is in use.
look at this:
this is where the 850 band is in use:
it's always either 850 or 1900, never both at the same time.
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml

Funk2641 said:
No it isn't. You're thinking of Tmobile with 1700/2100. Att 3G uses 850 or 1900. Always has been, always will be until they shut the 1900 band off. Don't believe me?
look:
this is where the 1900 band is in use.
look at this:
this is where the 850 band is in use:
it's always either 850 or 1900, never both at the same time.
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
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You fail to understand me.
THOSE ARE 2G BANDS.
"GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900" <--- 2G/EDGE. NOT 3G.
2G/EDGE only requires ONE BAND, NOT 2.
3G requires BOTH.

Se4nH4x said:
You fail to understand me.
THOSE ARE 2G BANDS.
"GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900" <--- 2G/EDGE. NOT 3G.
2G/EDGE only requires ONE BAND, NOT 2.
3G requires BOTH.
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Nope. Att uses 1 band for 3G, and 1 band for 2G. You can even verify for yourself here:
http://www.intomobile.com/2009/02/24/att-3g-network-going-850mhz-nationwide-by-2010/
If they're going to be 850-only, doesn't than mean that ATT uses one or the other?
Wanna hear it from the CEO? :
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/23/the-engadget-interview-ralph-de-la-vega-ceo-of-atandt-mobility/
Ralph: Yeah. We actually have more than 320 cities that are now 3G capable [AT&T has written us to let us know that they're actually at 350+. -Ed.]. We're going to continue to increase the number of cities, the number of the population that's covered, and we'll be finishing this year converting the frequency band that is used in some major cities for 3G from 1900 to 850, so by the end of the year, we'll finish San Francisco, we'll finish parts of New York, and then that'll bring the best technology 3G on the best backbone to significantly improve the quality and the coverage for 3G on our network.
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Here's even a direct answer for you: http://forums.wireless.att.com/t5/G...mp-T-support-1900MHz-band-phones/td-p/1424674
Anywhoo, op, yes, the Australian version will support 1900mhz 3G. You'll be fine.

So why is it in Canada then when I contact companies like Bell, Telus, Rogers, etc they say something like this: "it must be HSPA (or UMTS) and 850 MHz and 1900 MHz compatible."
they use the word "and" which implies both...
apparently 850 is better too
"850 gives you greater distance and unlike 1900 it will penetrate areas like elevators etc. You should use 850 whenever possible."

Se4nH4x said:
So why is it in Canada then when I contact companies like Bell, Telus, Rogers, etc they say something like this: "it must be HSPA (or UMTS) and 850 MHz and 1900 MHz compatible."
they use the word "and" which implies both...
apparently 850 is better too
"850 gives you greater distance and unlike 1900 it will penetrate areas like elevators etc. You should use 850 whenever possible."
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"it must be HSPA (or UMTS) and 850 MHz and 1900 MHz compatible."
that does imply both, but it doesn't need both to operate effectively. And yeah, the 850 band is stronger, but the 1900 band travels farther. Either way, the OP will be fine, if he chooses to get the Australian version.

Funk2641 said:
"it must be HSPA (or UMTS) and 850 MHz and 1900 MHz compatible."
that does imply both, but it doesn't need both to operate effectively. And yeah, the 850 band is stronger, but the 1900 band travels farther. Either way, the OP will be fine, if he chooses to get the Australian version.
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Well I'm considering this too because I live in Canada so I need to get my hands on a DVP.
So for internet purposes, such as email, video, etc, 1900 is fine?
The other issue is...http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
The DVP sold in australia is like $400 more expensive >.>. not to mention it only has 8 GB.
I'll try and arrange a deal with someone in the US when Dell starts selling it.

Se4nH4x said:
Well I'm considering this too because I live in Canada so I need to get my hands on a DVP.
So for internet purposes, such as email, video, etc, 1900 is fine?
The other issue is...http://www.mobicity.com.au/dell-venue-pro.html
The DVP sold in australia is like $400 more expensive >.>. not to mention it only has 8 GB.
I'll try and arrange a deal with someone in the US when Dell starts selling it.
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I think it'll work just fine, honestly. I'm considering it myself as well.

I can confirm that phones that have 1900mhz work on att 3g. I had an omnia 2 with 1900mhz 3g only and it worked fine in Manhattan.
some areas only have 850mhz 3g which would make it not work on 3g.
I guess I will have to look for an australian version, unfortunately it's a lot more expensive.
I am surprised that only the australian version has 1900mhz 3g on it.
Hopefully ATT or Rogers will release soon enough so we don't feel left out.

I just saw clove UK site update to 900/1700/2100 MHz . will that work with t-mobile 3g? edge only ? att 3g? or att edge only ?

900/1700/2100 MHz means it will work on t-mobile 3g and on ATT Edge

So apparently, the DVP will only work on ATT for voice and the edge data network. Is this something that the magicians here at XDA can fix with a different radio to flash on the DVP once it's cracked?

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So apparently, the DVP will only work on ATT for voice and the edge data network. Is this something that the magicians here at XDA can fix with a different radio to flash on the DVP once it's cracked?
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No, that's not a possibility. Your best option is to switch carriers.

Using my DVP on ATT sans 3g for now. Dont feel like moving to Tmobile until I move areas. Edge aint that bad if you have wifi around

I'm confused... Here's what I found on the Clove website...
GSM/GPRS Yes
Frequencies 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Speed
3G/HSPA Yes
Frequencies 900/1700/2100 MHz
Speed HSDPA 7.2Mbps/HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
Does this mean that it will work on ATT? It says there's both 850 an 1900

900/2100 MHz is Tmobile 3G
850/1900 MHz is ATT 3G
Yes it will work on ATT - but not with ATT 3G.

Sangheili said:
900/2100 MHz is Tmobile 3G
850/1900 MHz is ATT 3G
Yes it will work on ATT - but not with ATT 3G.
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T-Mobile is 1700/2100 for 3G.