I'm looking to move on from my Galaxy Nexus (international version), and have been considering the Nexus 5 and the Note 3 (N9005).
The Nexus 5 seems like a pretty boring update to the Galaxy Nexus - a bit bigger, a bit higher res, a bit faster etc. The Note 3 is more exciting to me (size, battery, s pen etc).
My concern with the Note 3 is software. I've been running a stock rom on my Galaxy Nexus from day one and am pro-vanilla android, and I'm really worried that touchwiz will stop me from enjoying the Note 3. I've seen videos etc of touchwiz but haven't tried living with it day-to-day.
I wouldn't want to trip the knox flag (at least not at first) for (potential) warranty reasons, which means I'd be stuck with a stock rom and root de la vega with xposed framework at this stage.
From those who have done this, my question is: how far can you go with this combination (including a third party launcher) to mitigate touchwiz's shortcomings (noting I would want to keep stock S-pen functionality)?
For example, have you had success dealing with:
- Bloatware/samsung apps substituting stock apps
- S Voice vs google voice search/now
- Less than stellar appearance of notification icons, quick settings in notification tray
Can anyone suggest anything that they've been stuck with/unable to change in touchwiz that drives them crazy?
You can modify the way you want but I am afraid not all will be possible withput rooting.
Sent from Note 3 (The beauty & beast)
Just need to know what firmware version you are getting as later firmware will trip Knox warranty void when rooting with de la vega method I believe in the UK MJ1 is safe to root but MJ3 has been fixed tp detect RDLV...
If you can successfully root and install xposed framework then you are set to do just about anything you like.
The main reason you will trip knox is by installing a new recovery or kernel....
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I just got the Note 3 and as usual the huge amount of info / threads is making it hard to get some basic overview even after hours of reading the subforums and I have xda experience ever since I had the original Galaxy S.
If we can get these Q's answered in a short summary, it might also help others who are just getting started with this device and don't have more than a day to spend on setting up their Note 3 the way they need it:
4.3 to 4.4 KitKat - pro's & con's ?
My SM-N9005 shipped with Android 4.3 Jelly Bean, if I update OTA or with Kies to 4.4 KitKat, will I have any disadvantage at all at this stage? Will it prevent me from doing something, especially in relation to KNOX, custom ROMS or recoveries, rooting, etc?
Rooting: CF-Auto-Root or De La Vega?
The Note 3 subforum has a "Root Info" tab and it refers to the CF-Auto-Root method, which I understand works for both 4.3 and 4.4 as long as the correct version is flashed with Odin. Seems to be the No. 1 choice.
In the Subforum however another Rooting thread is stickied instead, refering to the "De La Vega" method. What are the pro's & con's?
KNOX summary / current status?
From what I could gather there is no way yet to hide the fact that there was ever a custom ROM or recovery on this device, not even if you flash back to stock, correct?
Rooting however can be undone.
Getting rid of the "My Magazine" when pressing home button - wtf?
Only when you have an internet connection can you get into the My Magazine app to enter the settings and disable it to launch when pressing the home button, without internet connection to disable the Terms & Conditions, the app won't even start, so you can't get to the menu to disable it, is there any other way?
Using an alternative launcher seems to help.
What stable ROM should a privacy & security minded person use, who still wants to ensure not to miss out on the features and performace of the camera & the S Pen ?
If I want to get rid of at least most of the google and Samsung stuff that clogs up my RAM and "phones home" to Samsung and Google servers, but still don't wanna deprive myself of Google Play and Google Maps for navigation (got lost too much using OSM) and I want to be more of a power user having root, using Titanium backup and otherwise running AFWall firewall, VPN, and lots of cool open source privacy stuff, what would be the recommended ROM for my Note 3?
To bump and to further clarify:
I installed Kies 3 and it's asking me to update my Note 3 as follows:
Current firmware version : PDA:MJ7 / PHONE:MJ7 / CSC:MJ1 (VIA)
Latest firmware version : PDA:NB4 / PHONE:NB1 / CSC:NB1 (VIA)
If I update, will it have a disadvantage? I still can't figure out how to root it, and if there is a way to flash custom ROMs or recovery without triggering the KNOX flag.
This is a German phone, I am not sure if it's locked to a certain carrier and not sure how to find out.
I'm in the same situation as you - don't have the links at hand but yet I know that it's better to not upgrade to 4.4 because you'll get a new bootloader that gets you a hard time using custom roms after rooting the device.
This is the link I got asking for a safe rooting Note 3 without tripping Knox [No Warranty Void] Safe Root Android 4.3 for Samsung Galaxy S3..., remember to stay with Android 4.3!
For support in your native language this one was helpful for me too http://www.androidpit.de/de/android/forum/category/2003626/Samsung-Galaxy-Note-3-Forum
To remove standard apps from Samsung/Google installed on the device take a look at Samsung GALAXY Note 3 Cleaner
Hope I could help a little
Okay guys, this is not first thread about this subject but give your thoughts please.
I have:
Note 3 (SM-N9005) running some JB 4.3, unrooted
Note Pro 12.2 LTE (SM-N905) running KK 4.2
So far I haven't got any problems with Note 3, so kinda no reason to update it to 4.4, but does that update do more good or harm to me, since no way to dowgrade back.
About ext. sdcard writing problem, I haven't noticed anything that differs between my JB Note 3 and KK NP 12.2
Main reason why I would want KK on my Note 3 is Samsung SideSync feature (works only on KitKat devices) that I could use my Note 3 through my NP 12.2..
But is that really that good reason to update fully working phone (if there comes some problems with KitKat)??
Please help me with this, thanks
Spere said:
Okay guys, this is not first thread about this subject but give your thoughts please.
I have:
Note 3 (SM-N9005) running some JB 4.3, unrooted
Note Pro 12.2 LTE (SM-N905) running KK 4.2
So far I haven't got any problems with Note 3, so kinda no reason to update it to 4.4, but does that update do more good or harm to me, since no way to dowgrade back.
About ext. sdcard writing problem, I haven't noticed anything that differs between my JB Note 3 and KK NP 12.2
Main reason why I would want KK on my Note 3 is Samsung SideSync feature (works only on KitKat devices) that I could use my Note 3 through my NP 12.2..
But is that really that good reason to update fully working phone (if there comes some problems with KitKat)??
Please help me with this, thanks
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For me personally, I don't see more harms compare to the good parts.
I understand so many ppl do complain about KK firmwares. And to be frank, those problems stated, I have never experienced on my N9005 device (**touch wood**)
My ext. sd card writing also has no problem eversince I upgraded from JB to KK for the first time.
S-view cover, some also stated they experience problems, but my S-view is working just fine. And I have a fake S-view (made in China)
But all is your decision to make. My only advise is... if you really want to upgrade, after the upgrade is done, no matter you still can go through the homescreen, try to do factory reset from stock recovery. This step is very simple, but do help a lot to avoid future unnecessary problems (example : battery drains, FC, freeze, sudden reboot, phone very slow, etc).
So, my suggestions is, do backup of your important data (before upgrade) to your external SD, or to your laptop/PC.
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Spere said:
Okay guys, this is not first thread about this subject but give your thoughts please.
I have:
Note 3 (SM-N9005) running some JB 4.3, unrooted
Note Pro 12.2 LTE (SM-N905) running KK 4.2
So far I haven't got any problems with Note 3, so kinda no reason to update it to 4.4, but does that update do more good or harm to me, since no way to dowgrade back.
About ext. sdcard writing problem, I haven't noticed anything that differs between my JB Note 3 and KK NP 12.2
Main reason why I would want KK on my Note 3 is Samsung SideSync feature (works only on KitKat devices) that I could use my Note 3 through my NP 12.2..
But is that really that good reason to update fully working phone (if there comes some problems with KitKat)??
Please help me with this, thanks
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yeah there few changes in KK update of N3
few GUI improvement
reason u may like to update is RAM management that is in native KitKat codes that of course others implements it.
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Thanks, both of you..
I think I'm gonna update when I got some time to make all backups of my phone.
But let's see if this get some more replys and maby some pros/cons about KitKat
I have original S-View (which I do not use, since it makes phone too bulky for me), so I'm not worried about KitKat affects to those covers.
On my NP 12.2 running KK I haven't seen any issues with external sdcard so that should be fine.
(Possible??) battery drain issues don't scare me, and of course if I update, I'm going to make factory reset from recovery to make "clean" install
Last time I updated my phone, a day after I found URDLV, way to root without tripping KNOX. But obviously it was too late since that update patched bootloader, LOL.
I bet this wont most probably happen when going from JB to KK, that someone finds a way to root JB without tripping KNOX, but not for KK.
KitKat makes device faster/smoother (I've read somewhere, don't know is it really noticable on daily use?)
So what else you people have noticed running KK versus JB, any other cons and how about pros?
Spere said:
Thanks, both of you..
I think I'm gonna update when I got some time to make all backups of my phone.
But let's see if this get some more replys and maby some pros/cons about KitKat
I have original S-View (which I do not use, since it makes phone too bulky for me), so I'm not worried about KitKat affects to those covers.
On my NP 12.2 running KK I haven't seen any issues with external sdcard so that should be fine.
(Possible??) battery drain issues don't scare me, and of course if I update, I'm going to make factory reset from recovery to make "clean" install
Last time I updated my phone, a day after I found URDLV, way to root without tripping KNOX. But obviously it was too late since that update patched bootloader, LOL.
I bet this wont most probably happen when going from JB to KK, that someone finds a way to root JB without tripping KNOX, but not for KK.
KitKat makes device faster/smoother (I've read somewhere, don't know is it really noticable on daily use?)
So what else you people have noticed running KK versus JB, any other cons and how about pros?
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it is noticeable
Sent from somewhere under the sky, at the corner of this rounded earth.
Yep... So I pulled the trigger and updated my phone.
First impressions:
-It's a lot faster
-After update my USB 3.0 connection works no more to my PC (My NP 12.2 USB 3 connection also don't work, now I found what's the reason.. KitKat)
-My favourite internet browser force closes when trying to open it (I loved it since it was like ICS stock browser, got those must have fast button when you slide from edge of screen, it was fast and always on fullscreen exept when you opened adress line from fast button Does any of you know any similar browser working on (non rooted) KitKat?)
It takes 100++ years to get phone back to "usable" state (All settings, homescreens, app drawer, apps and they're settings, WIFI settings, paired BT devices...etc..etc....)
Let's see what else time shows me
Hey,
I have recently acquired SGS4 in place of my SGS3. I have used to change a rom every week, but now all I would like is a stable, rooted and .
I just discovered all the fuss about Knox and I am even more dissapointed. I really didn't want to buy another Samsung device (Exynos resources, SDS and their horrible overlay) but the offer on it was just insanely good compared to everything else to I took it.
Anyway, below are my current bootloader/firmware information:
http://i.imgur.com/G5pThnv.png
http://i.imgur.com/sl7M1VC.png
As you can see it is 4.3 from T-Mobile from november.
Now would you be so kind and tell me:
Can I root and modify my rom and bootloader on any custom without loosing my warranty?
If not, can I root and change the rom to the google edition?
If nope again, hopefuly I can at least use root with one of the latest Samsung roms? (without T-Mobile bloatware)
You live in the EU. That means that even if Samsung doesn't want to fix your device because you tripped Knox (unlikely that they won't fix it), the store you bought it from still has to fix it even with Knox tripped. That is consumer law which should also apply in Poland.
You can only root without tripping Knox.
You can not flash a recovery without tripping Knox, thus you cannot flash custom roms without tripping it.
So just root and flash the rom you want. You can even skip the part of rooting and just flash a custom recovery.
There are no downsides if you tripped Knox.
hie i moved from iphone 4s to note 4 in oct last year however kept busy so could realy get in customizing it much yet howeve now tht i do have time i was thinking of rooting it and seeing how it goes however i understand then ota updates dnt work if i root would then updating over kies with a cable b fine also i understand tht knox is tripped so no warranty after tht however say after rooting i install custom roms would the s pen and finger print scaners and stuff normally cause they are a few thing tht i do use frequently . any other cons that i shd know before rooting or flashng custom roms ?
Installing a custom rom without rooting does not break the warrenty and you will be able to use all the features of the Note 4 as you would if you were using the stock firmware. Rooting just makes you a super user and allows you to install apps which require root privilages such as Titanium Backup.
Pardon me but to install custom roms you require a custom recovery which would trip Knox?
Okay, so first of all ask yourself whether you want to use knox specific features such as secure pay (Pay by using NFC), KNOX enterprise features which an average user will not use.
Secondly, If you wish to remove apps that are pre-installed on the device as they may be slowing down the device and ruining battery life then you will have to root or install a custom rom to deal with those, or you could simply try disabling them in the app manager without root.
After rooting if you use Touchwiz based custom roms you will still have 99% of the Note 4 features still available and sometimes you get additional features which would otherwise not be available for example removing restrictions such as recording calls which maybe disabled in your region or carrier. This is just one of the many features that you gain.
So your Spen, fingerprint scanner will all work as long as you use a Touchwiz based rom.
If however you want to use the latest and greatest version of Android and enjoy a clean and smooth experience then you may wish to install AOSP roms however they currently do no support fingerprint scanner and nor do they have built in SPen features.
A custom recovery will allow you to backup your current rom and restore it later if you so desire, this backup will store you settings, apps and the current rom which can be restored if you want to return to the setup.
The only con of rooting and flashing is that you read the instructions in the thread and do no deviated from it unless you know what you are doing.
Voiding your warranty is also a potential con, however here in the UK and Europe Samsung will have to repair your device in accordance to the law and I have had my Samsung Galaxy S4 repaired multiple times with the KNOx warranty tripped; however Samsung have rejected some claims in the past for some people.
If you have anymore questions then please do not hesitate to ask.
The best advice I can give is Google till you just can't any more! Read everything you can about rooting your model of handset...then read it two more times. I've rooted a few phones now and never hit more than a simple soft brick which is easily fixed. Because I read everything I can find before I start.
Not a direct answer to your questions I know but hopefully both reassurance and warning at the same time.
On a side note if is really just customisation you want without the adventure of rooting try a launcher like nova, Go etc. You can really go wild with customisation without losing any features or tripping Knox.
Hi all,
So I've had my current Note 4 for around a year and just recently I started having "...has closed" error messages. Didn't think nothing of it until more recently my phone started reporting the battery capacity incorrectly (phone dies saying 5% or whatever, plug charger in and it says 55%!) and now a couple of times I've had MMC_READ failed error on boot. So, new phone to be delivered Monday.
I understand the new phone should have either 5.0.1 or probably 5.1.1 My current broken one has 4.4.4 due to XPosed being very mature and in particular App Settings works flawlessly.
So.......
1. Do I downgrade back to 4.4.4 on the new phone? I'm not particularly bothered about the UI although it looks nice am I missing something that Lollipop offers that's of benefit compared to KitKat?
2. Rooted my phone around a year ago so have completely forgotton lol. Easy to do still?
3. If I go to Lollipop, do I even need Root? I use the following modules in XPosed:
3c Toolbox Pro
Amplify
App Settings
Greenify
Secure Settings
Wanam Exposed
Exposed Additions
Thanks for reading and any advice will be greatly appreciated :good:
An advice, if you are bothered to go back to kit kat, what i have heard is, lollipop drains more battery than kit kat, as i bought this note 4 10 days ago i cannot confirm it because it came with 5.0.1. About rooting i haven't rooted the phone yet but i am planning to do so. One question if you rooted your phone how come are they giving you a replacement?
Sent from my non rooted SM-N910F
32GB Samsung SDcard
Spigen silver tough Armor
Ex Smart Ultra 6 (1 month)
Ex Note 2 N7100
Ex note 2 N7105
Ex a whole lot of androids
Hi, firstly, regarding root, just unroot it. Download the firmware from SamMobile and flash using ODIN.
I've taken 5.1.1 for a spin and I just can't accept the stock huge DPI and lack of root access for Titanium Backup, GMD Gesture Control, XPosed App Settings blah....blah....blah... so restored my backup of 4.4.4 from m old phone to the new and all is well.
I sure do wish the clever bods can sort out Xposed on Lollipop and more importantly per app DPI which is the main reason I need XPosed.