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Question about ap2sd

Sorry if this is a stupid question but I just got my Hero and thus far I love it but from what I've been reading about ap2sd it seems like it's a wise choice to do this, but I have a few questions.
1. If you root the phone and install ap2sd, all apps downloaded from there are stored onto the SD card as well as all their data, no? Meaning this will free up usable memory for the phone when you have several apps open at a time...?
2. If I root my phone and install ap2sd, is it still possible to install any official, updated ROMs from HTC without having to re-root and re-install ap2sd?
3. If I make a back-up of my ROM before rooting, then if I have any issues with the phone I could restore that and then it would seem like nothing has ever been done to the phone, right?
I'm a bit new to the whole messing with you phone thing, which is why I got an android phone to begin with, so it's exciting but I also don't want to brick the thing...hence all the questions.
Thanks.

NumbGreenThumb said:
Sorry if this is a stupid question but I just got my Hero and thus far I love it but from what I've been reading about ap2sd it seems like it's a wise choice to do this, but I have a few questions.
1. If you root the phone and install ap2sd, all apps downloaded from there are stored onto the SD card as well as all their data, no? Meaning this will free up usable memory for the phone when you have several apps open at a time...?
2. If I root my phone and install ap2sd, is it still possible to install any official, updated ROMs from HTC without having to re-root and re-install ap2sd?
3. If I make a back-up of my ROM before rooting, then if I have any issues with the phone I could restore that and then it would seem like nothing has ever been done to the phone, right?
I'm a bit new to the whole messing with you phone thing, which is why I got an android phone to begin with, so it's exciting but I also don't want to brick the thing...hence all the questions.
Thanks.
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Hi,
1. When you open up a lot of applications at a time, the memory being affected is the RAM which is different from the concept of ap2sd. On the HTC hero you have 512 ROM memory to install programs. The os and customisations oh HTC takes a good part of that and you remain like 150mb ROM for programs. If you do not install lots and lots of programs, ap2sd is somewhat useless IMHO.
2.You don't have to unroot ... to install the updates from HTC. It will be unrooted by itself during the process but you can use custom roms ( like Paul's ones ) where root and a2sd is already integrated in the rom process.
3. Yes it is always advised to make a nandroid backup whenever upgrading. If you encounter any problem, you'll be able to revert back .

I use ap2sd as i only had 43mb left on my phone. i`ve just installed all my apps again now and my phone memory is still at 153mb
Very happy with it.

Thanks for the replies. I guess I wasn't too clear about the whole memory usage. I understand that open apps are in the RAM but I was wondering if you use ap2sd if all the stored user data for the applications are then stored on the SD card along with the application itself.
As for the rooting, if you're phone is rooted, are you still able to easily install updated roms from HTC (not custom roms) or will it yell at you? I suspect it won't care, but I'm just curious.
Sorry for the lame questions. This whole hacking your phone thing is completely new to me. It's pretty damn cool though...

NumbGreenThumb said:
As for the rooting, if you're phone is rooted, are you still able to easily install updated roms from HTC (not custom roms) or will it yell at you? I suspect it won't care, but I'm just curious.
Sorry for the lame questions. This whole hacking your phone thing is completely new to me. It's pretty damn cool though...
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Well concerning the OTA updates, nobody knows for sure cause till now , none is out yet. Some say only branded phones will have OTA, unbranded ones will download firmwares from the htc site ( just like it was with previous htc's)
But anyway, even if you rooted ur phone, u can always download the update and apply it. its no problem.

NumbGreenThumb said:
Thanks for the replies. I guess I wasn't too clear about the whole memory usage. I understand that open apps are in the RAM but I was wondering if you use ap2sd if all the stored user data for the applications are then stored on the SD card along with the application itself.
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Many apps will store user data on SD card without having to use A2SD.
Regards,
Dave

[Q] Auto-install APKs at First Boot?

Did some searching on this but it came up blank, so maybe someone has a brilliant idea for this
Almost every other day we are getting new builds for Android. I'm sure many of you are like me and have a set of APKs you install with every build. For example SWYPE.
I would like to know if there is a way, when installing a new build, you can have certain apps auto-installed. This would really save me time.

Can't you just put them in the "AndroidApps" folder that usually comes with every build..?

shadiku said:
Can't you just put them in the "AndroidApps" folder that usually comes with every build..?
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Wasn't sure if that was the proper way it was done. I tried that once, needless to say it didn't work out to well. Had to eat a hard reset.
Anyways, can anyone confirm that this is the best way to do it, or if you know of another that would be great. Please share!

Yup!
yes, i'm 99.9% sure that this is a way to auto-install apps onto your phone, as i've read this in other threads which say the same thing

I did this myself with darkstone's builds. I just loaded up the android apps folder. On second boot I had issues so I then deleted all those apps through winmo and everything was fine again. Not sure with this folder that everytime you boot it tries to reinstall or not. Would like some clarification on that.

Not worked for me

I would suggest downloading 7zip file manager, then when you download your desired rom then just open it up. Navigate to the data/apps folder and drop your apps in there, when you flash the rom then your personal apps will be flashed and installed as if they came with the rom already.
That's what I do and I have never had an issue.

Or there always is ADB

HypoTurtle said:
Or there always is ADB
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there are some adb apk tools that could probably do a batch install

Am i right that after putting those in your folder, after hard reset all those apps that were there will reinstall(those that you wanted, and those you uninstalled)? Or there will be trouble uninstalling as it is part of ROM?
Personally i used one of those App Backup & Restore apps from market. I had to spend 10 minutes pressing "Accept" cause they install by regular way, but it was quite fast anyway.

Marquo said:
Am i right that after putting those in your folder, after hard reset all those apps that were there will reinstall(those that you wanted, and those you uninstalled)? Or there will be trouble uninstalling as it is part of ROM?
Personally i used one of those App Backup & Restore apps from market. I had to spend 10 minutes pressing "Accept" cause they install by regular way, but it was quite fast anyway.
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Now which folder are you referring to? When I mentioned placing apps, I was talking about putting them into the data/app folder of the rom zip you are flashing so they will be installed on first boot.
As for backing up and restoring apps, I suggest using MyBackup as it does apps plus their associated data as a batch backup/restore. It doesn't require you to accept each one.
Please mybackup will do sms/mms, call logs, browser shortcuts, and so on. Here is the market link for it: MyBackup

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Now which folder are you referring to? When I mentioned placing apps, I was talking about putting them into the data/app folder of the rom zip you are flashing so they will be installed on first boot.
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I got you right, and i thought that as they are part of ROM, they will be saved and restored when hard reseting(even if you uninstalled them on purpose).
Thiss app sounds really nice, i shall try it out.
EDIT
Look what i found when i came to forum by main site of xda: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=23291051
Seems nice.

Removing bloatware

I have tried to remove some of the bloatware (blockbuster,trialware,vzw junk) with no luck .I have tried both deleting the apk or renaming to .old in root explorer and as soon as I reboot it comes back. I know I have root because I have ran setcpu and other apps requiring root. Is thete anything I need to do differently? I am coming from the original Droid.
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I would not recommend removing the bloatware entirely, but instead buy Titanium Backup pro. With that, you can freeze the apps so they can't be seen or used, but if and when we get an update, you won't have to worry about trying to find the right files.

Bloat
I have rooted using Z4 and removed bloatware using Titanium with no problems.

My purpose in removing the bloatware would be to save battery, memory, space and not to have stuff running in the background I do not want or need. I don't really want to flash a ROM. Is there a way yet to remove the VZ stuff after rooting?

I would use Titanium Backup and freeze those programs. If you remove them completely, you won't be able to install OTA updates, like the looming Froyo one.

Thanked. Now freezing means they are still there and take up space but not memory or battery life? They are not running?

y0himba said:
Thanked. Now freezing means they are still there and take up space but not memory or battery life? They are not running?
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Yes, that's what it is. Freezing them in Titanium backup essentially removes them, but leaves the files in place. You won't be able to access anything that is frozen outside of Titanium Backup until it is thawed. When you get a notification about an update, just thaw all the frozen apps, and update away.

I do a similar thing. I change the file name to name.apk.bak so it doesn't appear. But leaves it if I want to restore.

xmguy said:
I do a similar thing. I change the file name to name.apk.bak so it doesn't appear. But leaves it if I want to restore.
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I read elsewhere that if you just rename the files to .apk.bak they reappear on a reboot.
Also, I am looking for a way to remove the Bing garbage, hopefully a batch process of some sort to replace it all with Google.
The D17 ROM looks nice but it also appears development was just stopped while it was still beta? I cannot find a good explanation of how to get the ROM on there. I keep seeing "Odin" but cannot find the latest version download link and there are no tutorials on how to use it.

If you don't know how to use odin you shouldn't bother with flashing 0_o one mistake in there and you can easily be done.......
Also, if by DL17 CLEAN ROM, then you can rest assured it works fine.. There are no bugs..
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Aye, you are correct, I have no idea what to do with Odin. That's pretty much the reason I didn't want to flash a ROM. With a WinMo phone flashing a ROM is easy...I am completely n00b with Android.
The only reason I would flash it is the whole "CLEAN" thing. I would prefer to achieve that effect without the need to flash. Rooting my new phone was nerve wracking enough, but I got it done due to these forums. :thumbsup:

You could always use Launcher Pro and just hide the apps.
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Lol, I got your back man.... If you ever want to flash a rom or need help with odin, just pm or something...
When it comes to odin, as long as your connection is guaranteed, and you use **pda** instead of **phone** you should be golden... Even if something does go wrong, it is really hard to brick samsung phones xP
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Deodex an existing ROM?

Hi folks,
I think I know the answer to this already but I'm asking anyway just in case... is it possible to deodex a device as-is? Meaning, if I have stock EI22 installed, can it be deodexed in place?
I'd like to be able to run K0nane's CIQ remover script but its only for deodexed ROMs and I'm real happy with the stability & config of my phone now so flashing a new ROM and setting everything up again is an idea that doesn't thrill me.
Thanks,
Frank

No. Use a back up app to save system settings and apps, and flash the desired rom.

fzammetti said:
Hi folks,
I think I know the answer to this already but I'm asking anyway just in case... is it possible to deodex a device as-is? Meaning, if I have stock EI22 installed, can it be deodexed in place?
I'd like to be able to run K0nane's CIQ remover script but its only for deodexed ROMs and I'm real happy with the stability & config of my phone now so flashing a new ROM and setting everything up again is an idea that doesn't thrill me.
Thanks,
Frank
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You can flash the stock deodexed rom found in the development forum
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Then do an advanced restore of /data and everything will be just how you had it.
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Could you please explain that last part, doing an advanced restore of /data? How would you do that? (I'm new.)
I'm with the original poster -- flashing a ROM and then having to reinstall apps and set up everything again isn't exactly the most appealing thing. And if I want to change ROMs for any reason, I'd have to do it all again (right?). If there is some relatively quick and easy way to restore things to make that process easier, I'd like to know more about it. So far, it seems like using Titanium Backup or the like is what most people suggest, but if there's another option, it would be good to know it as well. Thanks.

If you're rooted and have clockworkMod installed as your custom recovery you can copy and "image" of the phone system and data drives. (System and data are on separate partitions, like a c:\> and d:\> drives on a computer. You can use clockworkMod to just restore the data image back to the data partition and it will be just like you had it. Icons on your home screen, your place in angry birds, alarms, vol. Settings. It is a wonderful thing to have, even if you just want stock.

Thanks for the info. I did recently root my phone and have the ACS recovery installed, so I should be able to do this if needed/wanted. Not to sidetrack the original thread too much, but are there any particular pros or cons to this method? It seems a bit easier, but would there be reasons to prefer something like Titanium Backup over this type of data restore? I'm not very familiar with these sorts of things (this is my first time rooting), so I'm trying to make sure I understand the options and what they do. Thanks.

In the case the OP states it would be nearly identical roms so there should be little to no conflict with a data restore. I've been moveing my data. Like this from froyo EC05 thru all the leaks and now to offical GB. But if I didn't want to stay on a leaked GB and I wanted to move to a froyo rom or back to stock I would use my titanium to move a few apps at a time bec,ause the data in gb is a little differnt and might not migrate proper.

[Q] Safe bloatware to remove

Hi I have an A100 that I just picked up and rooted, seeing how this section is more developed I was wondering if you guys can tell me what apps can be removed. Without having a custom recovery Im being super cautious. Thanks

bowtieduece said:
Hi I have an A100 that I just picked up and rooted, seeing how this section is more developed I was wondering if you guys can tell me what apps can be removed. Without having a custom recovery Im being super cautious. Thanks
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Before removing any sort of bloatware I would suggest creating a recovery image in case something goes wrong. The last thing you want to do is brick your device and not have a backup you can restore to.
If done properly, there should be quite a bit you can remove. I remember removing bloat off of my A500, until I found ROMS like Lightspeed that basically removed all the bloat already. I would check the dev section for Lightspeed and see what apps have been removed from it to give you a better idea of what could be removed.

hardslog said:
Before removing any sort of bloatware I would suggest creating a recovery image in case something goes wrong. The last thing you want to do is brick your device and not have a backup you can restore to.
If done properly, there should be quite a bit you can remove. I remember removing bloat off of my A500, until I found ROMS like Lightspeed that basically removed all the bloat already. I would check the dev section for Lightspeed and see what apps have been removed from it to give you a better idea of what could be removed.
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There is no recovery for the A100, otherwise I would. I don't plan on removing them completely just changing .apk to .bak in root explorer. Ive also made a backup of the system with Titanium backup

bowtieduece said:
There is no recovery for the A100, otherwise I would. I don't plan on removing them completely just changing .apk to .bak in root explorer. Ive also made a backup of the system with Titanium backup
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Any 3rd party app which isnt google related you can remove.
Anything further than that isnt really necessary since the other apks are so small in size. Unless you see something eating up ram that youre curious about than just give me the app name and Ill tell you weather you should be able to or not. I dont know the complete list of what can or cant be removed but I know the andriod OS well enough to have an idea of the things you definately need. Ive also done a lot of trial and error on both my phone and tablet lol.
Also, i suggest using titanium backup to freeze the apps and run the phone a few days to make sure you dont get any issues.

Just when I modify any bloatware it could lead to problems when taking updates
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BrianDigital said:
Just when I modify any bloatware it could lead to problems when taking updates
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What do you mean?