I own 2 mk808b sticks and love them. At home my son plays a lot of Minecraft and I was wondering if any sticks could handle Minecraft? Not the watered down versions. The full one.
It's a low powered game which runs on old PC's.
I'm guessing if I got Ubuntu on it it would?
My goal is to cut down on power consumption and noise. These babies could be the key.
I'm fine with paying top price if needed. I just don't want my son complaining if it's too slow or won't do something.
Thanks in advance
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I own 2 mk808b sticks and love them. At home my son plays a lot of Minecraft and I was wondering if any sticks could handle Minecraft? Not the watered down versions. The full one.
It's a low powered game which runs on old PC's.
I'm guessing if I got Ubuntu on it it would?
My goal is to cut down on power consumption and noise. These babies could be the key.
I'm fine with paying top price if needed. I just don't want my son complaining if it's too slow or won't do something.
Thanks in advance
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I have no idea if this is the same as the PC version but you could try the app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mojang.minecraftpe
No. It's a watered down version. I thought the same and got a earful for it. It's meant to be a very basic version.
I think a better question would be:
What is the most powerful mini PC that can run Ubuntu. One with a good graphics chip.
Does the mk808b have Ubuntu?
Also, by Ubuntu I'm talking any version. Maybe any version of Linux.
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I own 2 mk808b sticks and love them. At home my son plays a lot of Minecraft and I was wondering if any sticks could handle Minecraft? Not the watered down versions. The full one.
It's a low powered game which runs on old PC's.
I'm guessing if I got Ubuntu on it it would?
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minecraft is written in java so it -should- be mostly platform indifferent.
offcourse you'll need a full java installation (thus some linux flavor), dalvik wont run it.
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minecraft is written in java so it -should- be mostly platform indifferent.
offcourse you'll need a full java installation (thus some linux flavor), dalvik wont run it.
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Yes. I already run my sons using a old PC using gentoo. Being java helps greatly. It's a shame Android can't run Java like a PC can. Maybe one day.
Any advice on a stick? I'm willing to pay up to £200 for one. I'd rather pay less but I think 200 is enough for one of these.
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Any advice on a stick? I'm willing to pay up to £200 for one. I'd rather pay less but I think 200 is enough for one of these.
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You want a GK802. Should be 60-70 USD.
This is based on the i.MX6 quad core chipset and enjoys full hardware accelerated graphics under Linux.
To my knowledge, Linux will run on the more common Rockchip powered devices but without hardware acceleration.
Thank you Ozzy. I was thinking about the t428 but now you're making me wonder. Thank you so much for this info.
Do you think it will work ok?
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Thank you Ozzy. I was thinking about the t428 but now you're making me wonder. Thank you so much for this info.
Do you think it will work ok?
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Here's a comparison between the different GPU's.
It seems that the Mali 400 GPU is faster then the GPU used in the GK802.
Most sticks use a Rockchip rk3188 with the mali GPU which should be faster based on these results.
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Here's a comparison between the different GPU's.
It seems that the Mali 400 GPU is faster then the GPU used in the GK802.
Most sticks use a Rockchip rk3188 with the mali GPU which should be faster based on these results.
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as android gpu goes mali 400 is pretty slow but vivante is just the worst of the worst.
a passable compromise could be allwinner a31, it should have good linux support and good speeds - sgx544 mp2 gpu which is a lot faster than mali 400, cpu is cortex A7 based, sligtly slower than the one used in rk3188 but still pretty fast.
You'll find it in some MeLE products mostly.
SoC driver support is more important than raw power when your talking about running Linux distributions on ARM.
Not much good having the bees knees of mobile GPU with no way of using it.
As usual, but the limitation here is licencing. Until a manufacturer takes Linux support seriously and provides the necessary source for the community to develop with, there will continue to be limited options.
Thanks again Ozzy. So the issue is the manufacturers? What would the reason be for them not taking it seriously? I don't see why they would not want this.
I know it's off subject a bit. I just don't see why they would not want these sticks to have a extra selling point.
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Thanks again Ozzy. So the issue is the manufacturers? What would the reason be for them not taking it seriously? I don't see why they would not want this.
I know it's off subject a bit. I just don't see why they would not want these sticks to have a extra selling point.
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generally the problem is that these small firms dont own the licenses to distribute the source code - buying a production license is cheap(ish), buying a source rerelease one its not
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generally the problem is that these small firms dont own the licenses to distribute the source code - buying a production license is cheap(ish), buying a source rerelease one its not
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I never knew this. That does make sense. It is very annoying though.
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SoC driver support is more important than raw power when your talking about running Linux distributions on ARM.
Not much good having the bees knees of mobile GPU with no way of using it.
As usual, but the limitation here is licencing. Until a manufacturer takes Linux support seriously and provides the necessary source for the community to develop with, there will continue to be limited options.
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Hi all. I never ended up buying a stick as I was just couldn't make my mind up. Has anything changed with the licencing? Just wondering if any of the sticks have better Linux support now?
I have tested this on a BeagleBone Black (Raspberry Pi type device) and got quite good tests. It was mostly unplayable for a game but it showed me that it could be done. the beagle isnt a Android stick though... But it is completely open. My reason for testing was to see if I could do it. I used Debian and Angstrom to test.
Also, have any new sticks come on the market since my first post?
Walgeon said:
I own 2 mk808b sticks and love them. At home my son plays a lot of Minecraft and I was wondering if any sticks could handle Minecraft? Not the watered down versions. The full one.
It's a low powered game which runs on old PC's.
I'm guessing if I got Ubuntu on it it would?
My goal is to cut down on power consumption and noise. These babies could be the key.
I'm fine with paying top price if needed. I just don't want my son complaining if it's too slow or won't do something.
Thanks in advance
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As a POC I installed Minecraft on an A350-SSD MiniPC/Android stick computer (see https://plus.google.com/109451178006683865932/posts/gVWtfi6Sbex) so it is possible if you want to try it yourself.
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Hello,
I've owed an x10 and SGS-II.
Windows 8 ARM hasn't been released as of now but is someone planning to port it to SGS-II?
The reason I ask is because it looks very nice & would love to see something different on SGS-II
This is just a discussion any constructive comments are welcome.
as a pure development project it might be fun to do such
but as a daily driver OS, Win8 is definitely a no go
maybe will see win8 in our sgs III with 2ghz quad core
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maybe will see win8 in our sgs III with 2ghz quad core
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i agree
as Win8 is basically = Win7 + Windows Mobile 7 Launcher + ARM CPU support
so that is basicaly a super beefup version of Win7, which translates into very heavy hardware requirement for it to run properly
basically you need a laptop the size of a phone, for it to run
Haven't people been able to "run" it with ancient Pentiums and 128 MB ram?
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i agree
as Win8 is basically = Win7 + Windows Mobile 7 Launcher + ARM CPU support
so that is basicaly a super beefup version of Win7, which translates into very heavy hardware requirement for it to run properly
basically you need a laptop the size of a phone, for it to run
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I've read that it has lower requirements. There are also some other changes(some of them also improvements like reduced boot time)
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i agree
as Win8 is basically = Win7 + Windows Mobile 7 Launcher + ARM CPU support
so that is basicaly a super beefup version of Win7, which translates into very heavy hardware requirement for it to run properly
basically you need a laptop the size of a phone, for it to run
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I don't think so mate. The requirements for Windows 8 ARM is pretty low. Microsoft announced that it will run very smooth on tablets (they did a demo as well) and it requires pretty low resources (since windows 8 itself uses a Very low ram).
People at xperia x10 are looking forward to port it so I thought why not?
SGS-III? lol. I'd dream about it.
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I don't think so mate. The requirements for Windows 8 ARM is pretty low. Microsoft announced that it will run very smooth on tablets (they did a demo as well) and it requires pretty low resources (since windows 8 itself uses a Very low ram).
People at xperia x10 are looking forward to port it so I thought why not?
SGS-III? lol. I'd dream about it.
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It works on my old desktop so our super fast dual core phone should take it easily
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+1 win 8 for sgsII is like child playing with toy... ARM version will req a very low hardware spec. Hoping too see it on this mean machine
Win8 ARM hardware drivers for the SGS2-specific hardware would need to be written from scratch, so don't hold your breath.
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Haven't people been able to "run" it with ancient Pentiums and 128 MB ram?
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Don't make the mistake of comparing mobile to desktop. MHZ/GHZ processor speeds don't mean jack when comparing between CPU/GPU architecture types.
Just because some spec somewhere says it's designed to be able to run on ARM processors and some or our phones use ARM processors, doesn't mean we are go for launch. We may not be comparing apples with oranges here, but we certainly are comparing tangerines with oranges. Some of these chips can be much bigger and power-hungrier than anything we see in the SGS2
kal-el can totally Handel it perfectly.
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I guess they will eventually merge WP7 and W8 for ARM, same thing that is about to happen to Android.
For now I am quite happy with Android on my phone, and if the Win32 pogramms wont work on a W8 tablet I see no point in getting one either. Android is growing like crazy (software and hardware), so I can not see a reason to abandon this platform (except maybe for MeeGo, incredible what the people did with the n900).
Although Tablet+VLC would make a hell of a mediaplayer....
Win phone 8 on SGSII
Reviving this thread...considering now much is known about the platform, is there a chance of a port on SGSII?
i think we will see some tryout ports coming very soon.
ive run w8 on some really crappy machines, much more worse specs then s2.
however i think port is depending on the fact how many people will really want it and how many devs
are willing to do it..
whats the OS in nokia lumia 920 windows 8 or windows 7?
This probably isn't possible because I think windows phones are partitioned differently. Basically its gonna be difficult or nearly impossible.
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You guys do realize that the GSII is more than capable of running WP8? The Lumia 920 has a S4 dual core and handles it effortlessly, the GSII would be able to handle it aswell since the Exynos 4210 is still very damn good.
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You guys do realize that the GSII is more than capable of running WP8? The Lumia 920 has a S4 dual core and handles it effortlessly, the GSII would be able to handle it aswell since the Exynos 4210 is still very damn good.
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It's not the matter of hardware. There are many other things to consider too. Already we have problems with CM10. WP8 just spells more trouble.
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It's not the matter of hardware. There are many other things to consider too. Already we have problems with CM10. WP8 just spells more trouble.
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I know, as everyone was just talking about hw, I gave my opinion I'm not even going to talk about the complications with porting the kernel, drivers, gpu drivers, adapting thethe mali to a whole new os, surfaceflinger, hwcomposer and so much more...
With all the talk of Intel breaking into the smartphone market
I ask, between AMD and Intel who would you want in your phone our tablet and why?
My answer its AMD, their apu's I find to be very impressive vs the atom or laptop core I series. Id love to have a Radeon HD 6400 series gpu to play my Android games on =)
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Amd the apu is great i hope the put it in tablets an does android support those kinds of cpu's
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Amd the apu is great i hope the put it in tablets an does android support those kinds of cpu's
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Its going to yes =) and unofficially does already
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Hands down amd. Basicly intel makes a hell of a cpu but graphics not so much. Amd is not to far behind intel. But imho they make the best graphic cards and have the best technology in the gpu. So if they decided to make tablet and phones cpu and gpu i think they will have be very good and being that its phone and tablet maybe some of there gpu tech can be used in the cpu since the cpu for phones and tablets work a bit different than a desktop cpu or laptop cpu for that matter. Sorry for the caps im at work i have to use caps all day
AMD is the best, all day, everyday
i'll stick with Samsung CPUs
they are the best right now in the phone market
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i'll stick with Samsung CPUs
they are the best right now in the phone market
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I agree, buy if these guys got in the game is the question =)
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Hands down amd. Basicly intel makes a hell of a cpu but graphics not so much. Amd is not to far behind intel. But imho they make the best graphic cards and have the best technology in the gpu. So if they decided to make tablet and phones cpu and gpu i think they will have be very good and being that its phone and tablet maybe some of there gpu tech can be used in the cpu since the cpu for phones and tablets work a bit different than a desktop cpu or laptop cpu for that matter. Sorry for the caps im at work i have to use caps all day
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I agree there, but with AMD llano and later bulldozer based APU, any processor gap between Intel and AMD will be gone. These two companies entering the mobile arena will make competition skyrocket, and that only means good things for us consumers =) they would push the drive for faster graphics and processors even quicker than it already its moving
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Nvidia. Thanks.
Lmao Nvidia sucks google made a mistake using nvidia for honeycomb exynos an omap smokes tegra
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Samsung, Nvidia, Intel, then AMD
Remember people you get what you pay for and AMD is CHEAP, and no I'm not impressed with their GPUs either
AMD is not cheap. They have graphics processors at all price points offering more bang for buck than the equivalent Nvidia offering.
Amd is cheap, well slower than intel
also keep in mind that AMD is bringing around their first major Arch revision since 2004, and also keep in mind that for a while AMD smoked intel with Athlon and Athlon XP aswell as with Athlon64, intel didnt regain lead till the core series. AMD GPU on the other hand are consistently offering more for your Dollar than NVIDIA, I have a Radeon HD4870 1gb and can still max out ALL my games short of DX11 specific features (tesselation, etc.) Intel processors since the beginning of the core series have been great, but their GPU leave alot to be desired. Until I can play Borderlands on an intel APU with a better framerate than an AMD APU I'm gonna go with AMD. If you can really name a single desktop application or game where there is a big enough difference between AMD and Intel (desktop as in common user applications) then you will get my kudos. Also your going to want to be looking into AMD and Intels new archs like bulldozer and ivy bridge. Bulldozer will be out in just over a week and we'll see what AMD has up there sleeve with their first major arch change in forever =] (and now that they will have all the instruction sets intel has also =D)
EDIT: and by difference I mean more than 10-15sec or more than 10-15FPS
I'd like to see a Cyrix chip in my next phone please...
intel.
anyone ran an ati/amd gpu on linux? yeah... as bad as or worse than samsung on driver support.
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AMD GPU on the other hand are consistently offering more for your Dollar than NVIDIA, I have a Radeon HD4870 1gb and can still max out ALL my games short of DX11 specific features (tesselation, etc.)
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really? my 5770 couldn't even consistently pull 30fps in css (which is, what, 7 years old now?) on high settings. and when i added a second 5770 in crossfire and play css i'm guaranteed a bsod within a minute (which is funny cause i hadn't seen a bsod for years before getting an ati card).
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intel.
anyone ran an ati/amd gpu on linux? yeah... as bad as or worse than samsung on driver support.
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I do actually =P havent had any problems, and actually had more problems getting my friends Nvidia working in linux =/ My build runs great and I can OC to 3.5ghz on my phenom II 920 2.8ghz(i got one when they first came out =D, and could go higher if i didnt skimp out on the MB and only spend 90$ on one =3)
PS, this isnt a desktop/laptop question, think of TABs / Phones when making an answer =]
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I do actually =P havent had any problems, and actually had more problems getting my friends Nvidia working in linux =/ My build runs great and I can OC to 3.5ghz on my phenom II 920 2.8ghz(i got one when they first came out =D, and could go higher if i didnt skimp out on the MB and only spend 90$ on one =3)
PS, this isnt a desktop/laptop question, think of TABs / Phones when making an answer =]
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consider yourself lucky. i've never, ever had a problem with nvidia in linux. with ati, i tried fedora, opensuse, mandriva, and ubuntu. ubuntu would work in 9.10 but only the stock kernel (from the live cd), any kernel update would kill everything. finally i was able to get 10.10 installed, and 11.04 hasn't given me any problems. but i still can't run any other distro.
and sure, this isn't about desktops or laptops, but android is linux and if their driver support sucks in linux, i expect it to suck in android as well.
Ati/Amd gpu's are the best point blank nothing to it there should be no argument :-/
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intel.
anyone ran an ati/amd gpu on linux? yeah... as bad as or worse than samsung on driver support.
really? my 5770 couldn't even consistently pull 30fps in css (which is, what, 7 years old now?) on high settings. and when i added a second 5770 in crossfire and play css i'm guaranteed a bsod within a minute (which is funny cause i hadn't seen a bsod for years before getting an ati card).
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consider yourself lucky. i've never ever had a problem with nvidia in linux. with ati, i tried fedora, opensuse, mandriva, and ubuntu. ubuntu would work in 9.10 but only the stock kernel (from the live cd), any kernel update would kill everything. finally i was able to get 10.10 installed, and 11.04 hasn't given me any problems. but i still can't run any other distro.
and sure, this isn't about desktops or laptops, but android is linux and if their driver support sucks in linux, i expect it to suck in android as well.
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yeah but dont you think if they did enter that market they would provide the needed support for the android based devices? I havent had any problems for years with AMD GPUs and linux, and Every driver update I just install and go no matter kernel or distro I have used (I mostly use Ubuntu though). I guess it really is based on experience =P I see it this way though, as of right now you can max out Left4Dead 2 on an AMD APU, you get maybe 13fps on an Intel. The laptop market is where we can best compare, and Idk about you but if I'm getting a Tab or phone I'm not looking for something to crunch data (which we all know intel does better), I want a rich and smooth UI, games that look amazing, and light weight and low power consumption (IMO both companies are doing ALOT better with TDP but still have a ways to go)
Can you guys post some benchmarks. Thanks
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I got a poor 2200 from Quadrant
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I got 2042 on one run
I just benchmarked my 2011 Kindle Fire and it got a 2016 in quadrant. OMAP 4460 is supposed to be 20% faster clock than OMAP 4430(1.2ghz v 1ghz) so I would assume Kindle Fire HD gets 2400ish but that's only hypothetical.
6100 from Antutu benchmark. Really, pretty good for 1.2
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And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
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And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
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Nexus has a quad core CPU. Im sure that bench is multi-threaded.
Okay. Regardless, an score like that is quite mediocre
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Nexus has a quad core CPU. Im sure that bench is multi-threaded.
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Also, those benchmarks don't compensate for the OS - a vanilla version of the OS (Nexus 7) will run faster than one that is less efficient (KFHD). Real world is what matters to me. I bought a KFHD after playing around with one at Best Buy. I don't know if the review units had flaws, but I have experienced no stuttering or slow down. It is much smoother than I expected.
Also, popping flash on there was a breeze, as is sideloading any apps (minus google apps, but including YouTube) that you want.
Overall, a pretty great product. For me it simply came down to if a vanilla Android experience offset the HDMI out (awesome), dual wifi antennas, stereo (and usable) speakers, better screen (that isn't even an opinion if you've seen the screen), double the storage, etc. of the KFHD.
I don't think the difference is that night and day, when comparing the features, although I am happy you are happy about it. The only reason I truly want one of these is because my nexus had been having a lit of issues.
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Anyone thinking that the CPU on the Kindle HD will perform anything remotely close to the Nexus is only fooling yourselves. The CPU on the HD by all means is considered a budget chip and anyone thinking otherwise is just being delusional. Sure the HD has other aspects going for it verses the Nexus, but the CPU isn't one of them.
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And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
The Kindle Fire 8.9 is the one that beats the nexus 7 (slightly). The 4460 and 4470 are very different in performance (as far as 3D goes). The omap 4470 has a SGX544 vs the SGX540 in the 4460.
http://www.arctablet.com/blog/featu...0-tablet-review-part-3-omap-4470-performance/
This means the 7HD should perform like a Galaxy Nexus (~2000) while the 8.9 performs like the Archos 101XS (~3800 quadrant)
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Anyone thinking that the CPU on the Kindle HD will perform anything remotely close to the Nexus is only fooling yourselves. The CPU on the HD is by all means is considered a budget chip and anyone thinking otherwise is just being delusional. Sure the HD has other aspects going for it verses the Nexus, but the CPU isn't one of them.
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To me (and this almost kills me to say as a PC enthusiast that is constantly OC'ing and upgrading), there isn't a reason for all the power on android. Cell phones / tablets are the first technology I have seen where the hardware is so far beyond anything the software can take advantage of, it is almost pointless. Quad core processors on a tablet with near zero apps optimized for them. Graphics chips so fast they can run 3D games with ease....with about 10 3D games to play...
I highly doubt there will be any software coming anytime soon that will tax even a KFHD's hardware - especially if you use a PC / Laptop for hardcore gaming, and stick with stuff like Cut the Rope and word games on your tablet.
It seems like such a waste of hardware computing power to me.
^^^^^^
And all the while chips are getting faster and faster.
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ncvikingx97 said:
And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
The Kindle Fire 8.9 is the one that beats the nexus 7 (slightly). The 4460 and 4470 are very different in performance (as far as 3D goes). The omap 4470 has a SGX544 vs the SGX540 in the 4460.
http://www.arctablet.com/blog/featu...0-tablet-review-part-3-omap-4470-performance/
This means the 7HD should perform like a Galaxy Nexus (~2000) while the 8.9 performs like the Archos 101XS (~3800 quadrant)
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Is the difference between the two that extreme?crazy
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Now 6700 from Antutu benchmark. Sweet.
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Most of the literature I've seen says the KFHD 7 has a 4460 with an SGX544 (not an SGX540). Is this even possible ?
It would be great if it was. I don't think amazonvwants to desperate the two in hardware to the extreme of what others are saying
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To me (and this almost kills me to say as a PC enthusiast that is constantly OC'ing and upgrading), there isn't a reason for all the power on android. Cell phones / tablets are the first technology I have seen where the hardware is so far beyond anything the software can take advantage of, it is almost pointless. Quad core processors on a tablet with near zero apps optimized for them. Graphics chips so fast they can run 3D games with ease....with about 10 3D games to play...
I highly doubt there will be any software coming anytime soon that will tax even a KFHD's hardware - especially if you use a PC / Laptop for hardcore gaming, and stick with stuff like Cut the Rope and word games on your tablet.
It seems like such a waste of hardware computing power to me.
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It's pointless to own now only because of the lack of optimizations, this is slowly changing. There is always be a growth period for software when new hardware releases. The applications that really need the extra cores are already using them, dont worry.
Look at Apple for example. It's taking time to get the apps for the new iPads higher screen resolution but it is happening, just slowly. Now consider that the iPad 1 with it's single core no longer receives updates to the OS as it's become too slow with all the changes and outdated. Apple even restricts the applications it can use like garageband and a lot of 3D games run poorly or not at all. This is only 3 years old and already completely outdated even with the more efficient OS. Any android tablet surely would feel terribly slow much quicker considering Android is running as a virtual machine and using more resources to do so.
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It's pointless to own now only because of the lack of optimizations, this is slowly changing. There is always be a growth period for software when new hardware releases. The applications that really need the extra cores are already using them, dont worry.
Look at Apple for example. It's taking time to get the apps for the new iPads higher screen resolution but it is happening, just slowly. Now consider that the iPad 1 with it's single core no longer receives updates to the OS as it's become too slow with all the changes and outdated. Apple even restricts the applications it can use like garageband and a lot of 3D games run poorly or not at all. This is only 3 years old and already completely outdated even with the more efficient OS. Any android tablet surely would feel terribly slow much quicker considering Android is running as a virtual machine and using more resources to do so.
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Just curious, what does it mean it is running as a virtual machine? Thank you
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Hello i have been searching but cant find the max safe voltages for the CPU or GPU thanks if you can link me or help
Every device is different, there is no voltage that is perfect for every device.
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Every device is different, there is no voltage that is perfect for every device.
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I know that, thanks for responding. I mean the nvidia specific safe voltage chart so i don't fry my device when overclocking like i did before
Nexus7<3 said:
I know that, thanks for responding. I mean the nvidia specific safe voltage chart so i don't fry my device when overclocking like i did before
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That is called Stock behavior.
What, you think that Nvidia/Google/Asus sat around in a meeting and said to each other,
"Hey, look, we really could run this thing at 200% of our current maximums without any risks at all, but let's not do that because this tablet market isn't very competitive and nobody will care if our performance is crappy compared to other devices. Let's decide to operate it at only one-half or one-third of it's safe capabilities - for no apparent reason whatsoever - just so we can."
Just let everything as it is on default bro
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That is called Stock behavior.
What, you think that Nvidia/Google/Asus sat around in a meeting and said to each other,
"Hey, look, we really could run this thing at 200% of our current maximums without any risks at all, but let's not do that because this tablet market isn't very competitive and nobody will care if our performance is crappy compared to other devices. Let's decide to operate it at only one-half or one-third of it's safe capabilities - for no apparent reason whatsoever - just so we can."
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Dude there is a "/official nividia voltage chart for tegra 3 somewhere all Tue devas talk about one." Thanks for answering. Yeah they could actually look at the new tegra 3 game console it is at 2.3 GHz and also the one in nexus 7 is under clocked to 1.3 to conserve battery life as it is vey stable to 1.5/1.6 ghZ
Tommy-Geenexus said:
Just let everything as it is on default bro
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There is no default for the gpu on m kernel. Over clocking while theoredicly killing your prossesor faster actually can add life to our tablets becuase they will be able to run more recent things when tegra 3 becomes obsolete and we get better games and a newer os in a few major updates. I benchmark in 3dmark a good 3xs stock when in the 600mhz GPU range and 1.7 prossesor clock so i know this will help us run recent stiff. Just wanted to know is there is a nvidia specific """"chart"""" of some kind or manufacturer's guide to safe voltages and clock speed as some dev said" the voltages are high although within nvidia limits" do you know the limits is what I'm asking...
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That is called Stock behavior.
What, you think that Nvidia/Google/Asus sat around in a meeting and said to each other,
"Hey, look, we really could run this thing at 200% of our current maximums without any risks at all, but let's not do that because this tablet market isn't very competitive and nobody will care if our performance is crappy compared to other devices. Let's decide to operate it at only one-half or one-third of it's safe capabilities - for no apparent reason whatsoever - just so we can."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
Not saying this is the case specifically for the N7, but there are many corporations out there who would do this type of thing (*cough* intel *cough*).
The game console nvidia shield has an tegra 4i which is far more powerful and can be clocked very high, theres no tegra 3 game console.
Safe OC goes up to 1.5 GHz, but look at one x+ still stable @1.7 ghz and 520 mhz gpu.
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Dude there is a "/official nividia voltage chart for tegra 3 somewhere all Tue devas talk about one." Thanks for answering. Yeah they could actually look at the new tegra 3 game console it is at 2.3 GHz and also the one in nexus 7 is under clocked to 1.3 to conserve battery life as it is vey stable to 1.5/1.6 ghZ
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All semi houses sell their parts in different speed bins, and a price premium is demanded for the high performance bins. So the OEM gets to decide what the performance range will be - constrained by the price target of their design. The fact that a 2.3Ghz Tegra3 speed bin exists does not mean that all parts have that capability.
In any event the "voltage table" you are looking for is published in the stock kernel source code.
The N7, priced @ $200 never was a premium product. A damn fine value for the money, though IMO.
Hard to believe in the planned obsolescence hypothesis (in this case), as it appears that Google is selling the N7 at a loss. Usually planned obsolescence occurs hand-in-hand with a profit motive.
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All semi houses sell their parts in different speed bins, and a price premium is demanded for the high performance bins. So the OEM gets to decide what the performance range will be - constrained by the price target of their design. The fact that a 2.3Ghz Tegra3 speed bin exists does not mean that all parts have that capability.
In any event the "voltage table" you are looking for is published in the stock kernel source code.
The N7, priced @ $200 never was a premium product. A damn fine value for the money, though IMO.
Hard to believe in the planned obsolescence hypothesis (in this case), as it appears that Google is selling the N7 at a loss. Usually planned obsolescence occurs hand-in-hand with a profit motive.
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Back to the topic.... Could someone help me find the sourse code for tegra 3 so i know and others how to over volt to achieve certain clock speeDs
Hi Everyone,
I wish to start learning android development in android studio but I have a major concern about the hardware requirements. I have two machines at hand, First one is a very old desktop with an athlon 64 2800+ single core with just 2.5GB ram and Windows xp sp3 which i know would be a big no. Second one is a new HP laptop with 5th gen core i3 and 4GB ram on windows 10. I wish to know, if the laptop will be able to run it with reasonable performance or if I should certainly look at upgrading the desktop. The problem is that I can't afford the latest hardware for desktop so I will be looking at some used hardware online. I am getting some affordable deals on a used AMD phenom II X2 555 and an AMD Phenom 9550 quad core, both coupled with decent motherboards. So basically its between the laptop and those phenom processors. Which way will it be better?
vikrant1982 said:
Hi Everyone,
I wish to start learning android development in android studio but I have a major concern about the hardware requirements. I have two machines at hand, First one is a very old desktop with an athlon 64 2800+ single core with just 2.5GB ram and Windows xp sp3 which i know would be a big no. Second one is a new HP laptop with 5th gen core i3 and 4GB ram on windows 10. I wish to know, if the laptop will be able to run it with reasonable performance or if I should certainly look at upgrading the desktop. The problem is that I can't afford the latest hardware for desktop so I will be looking at some used hardware online. I am getting some affordable deals on a used AMD phenom II X2 555 and an AMD Phenom 9550 quad core, both coupled with decent motherboards. So basically its between the laptop and those phenom processors. Which way will it be better?
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I think the laptop will run it. I've tried making app on a very old pc with barely 1 or 2 gb ram and successfully completed till the basic "hello world" app. Runs very slow though. But i think your laptop is good enough for app building
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simranjitsingh said:
I think the laptop will run it. I've tried making app on a very old pc with barely 1 or 2 gb ram and successfully completed till the basic "hello world" app. Although runs very slow. It all depends on the ram. But i think your laptop is good enough for app building
Besides you should have a look at this excellent free pdf guide for beginners. Easy and noob friendly,Helped me a lot
http://www.ebooksfeed.com/16/head-first-android-development-free-pdf/
Happy app building[emoji4]
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simranjitsingh said:
I think the laptop will run it. I've tried making app on a very old pc with barely 1 or 2 gb ram and successfully completed till the basic "hello world" app. Runs very slow though. But i think your laptop is good enough for app building
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Thanks a lot Simranjit, really appreciate your inputs.
I'd say your notebook shoud run Android Studio quite ok. Don't expect great performance though. Especially if you plan on using original Emulators, they are eating RAM like dogs.
I'm running AS on my 8 years old computer with Core2 Duo E6400 and 4Gb of RAM. Works ok, but not ligthing fast.
I've recently added an SSD to the configuration. Boy, that did speed things up! So, consider getting SSD if you will buy a new system. Or installing it to your notebook will also definitely boot overall system performance and loading times.
In Linux, (SWAP)
In Windows, (Paging File)
This can be considered equal to RAM and can actually be used as a substitute.
It is possible with a big enough SWAP or Paging file to use really old HW, your build-times will suffer but it's feasible if it has to be done.
I wish to start learning android development in android studio but I have a major concern about the hardware requirements.
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Let me give you the respect of a truly proper reply. Since you're actually buying stuff....
1 ) Hardware
CPU: Intel Pentium G4400 - 60$
GPU: Integrated HD510
MOBO: GIGABYTE GA-H110M-S2H - 60$
SSD: Intel SSD 600P - 70$
PSU: Standard 30$
Case: 15-30$ standard case
DDR4-2133: $40~ for 2x4GB sticks
Dual-memory is important here; the PCIE SSD will have a write speed fast enough to compensate for the dual-core CPU.
This is also a semi-future proof model too, since adding an i3-6100 at a future time will yield a huge improvement as it has 4 threads; the next biggest upgrade is an i7 which has 8 threads the i5 is insignificant in this.
This build will actually allow you to produce AOSP and things like this in under 1 hour.
IF YOU USE AN OVERCLOCK MOTHER BOARD:
G4400 can be brought to like 4.5 GHz which is insanely fast but you need a fan, i3 won't do anything for you as the non-K overclock kills hyper-threading; reducing it to being the same as a G4400.
i5 is the same as an i7 here for the same reason; no hyper-threading.
So if you could spring for an i5 you may as well go for an overclocking build.
I mean doing it either way would yield good results, but it is just a little more expensive in the MOBO area.
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Let me give you the respect of a truly proper reply. Since you're actually buying stuff....
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That is some great info. Also, I have one more doubt, the reason why I looked at those used AMD chips is that I have read a couple of times people mentioning that the AMD chips handle android studio better due to better multi threaded performance than intel. If that really is the case then I can stretch a tiny bit more and get an FX-4300 since there isn't a lot of difference here between the G4400 and an FX-4300 but, thats only if i absolutely decide to build a new PC. Right now I am having a hard time considering an entirely new machine. Actually I had to leave my job two months back after a 10 years service. I saved up money all those years so decided to take a plunge and learn android and find a new job. Though I have healthy reserves today, I am not sure how long will it take for me to learn, be productive and find a new job.
Also, I want to add that those prices are inflated here in my country. For reference, that G4400 is around 80$ due to import duties and thats an online price on Amazon. On local stores it can be even more.
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That is some great info. Also, I have one more doubt, the reason why I looked at those used AMD chips is that I have read a couple of times people mentioning that the AMD chips handle android studio better due to better multi threaded performance than intel. If that really is the case then I can stretch a tiny bit more and get an FX-4300 since there isn't a lot of difference here between the G4400 and an FX-4300 but, thats only if i absolutely decide to build a new PC. Right now I am having a hard time considering an entirely new machine. Actually I had to leave my job two months back after a 10 years service. I saved up money all those years so decided to take a plunge and learn android and find a new job. Though I have healthy reserves today, I am not sure how long will it take for me to learn, be productive and find a new job.
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Learning Android is worth it; and it will enhance your knowledge of Linux in general and yes you will make money eventually.
Also, I have one more doubt, the reason why I looked at those used AMD chips is that I have read a couple of times people mentioning that the AMD chips handle android studio better due to better multi threaded performance than intel.
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That's very correct, but... well.
There is really no situation where an FX CPU will beat an Intel CPU.
I'm saying it because I love you and don't want to see you make a huge mistake.
Do not mess with future-proofing ok?
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-FX-9590-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3930K/1812vs1487
These CPUs are roughly the same price (refurbished or used i7-3930k is fine, nobody uses them hard compared to us.)
But the 3930k has 4 more threads; it is significantly stronger in single-core power as well so naturally the workstation score will be higher; and will build an entire OS in under 35 minutes no matter what.
When paired with strong Read/Write HW such as a PCIe SSD which should be considered REQUIRED if you value your time (you should, time is money here in regard to testing) you will be able to whack a build in under 15 minutes with this kind of HW probably.
Lesser builds such as Apps will probably take a minute or less.
You can obtain a 3930k for under 200$ no problem.
You will never be able to find a FX CPU that is worth it over an intel CPU.
FX CPU require tremendous cooling power to use! They pull a ton of energy too!
You can even run Android Studio on ARM CPUs if you're really struggling cash-wise and I can make suggestions here too.
Let me accommodate you ok?
I feel you work too hard for your money to burn it on a bad choice, tell me exactly how much you're looking to spend and I will give you an EXACT list of HW that will be unbeatable.
Dude, if you need help I can absolutely direct you to someone in China who can obtain these units are an incredibly reasonable price because these things are all made in China.
They are drowning in these parts.
I can find you a 3930k for uh, around 130$?
Look, it is a very effective CPU.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3930K/3502vs1487
This is what I suggest you use, seriously.
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Dude, if you need help I can absolutely direct you to someone in China who can obtain these units are an incredibly reasonable price because these things are all made in China.
They are drowning in these parts.
I can find you a 3930k for uh, around 130$?
Look, it is a very effective CPU.
http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-3930K/3502vs1487
This is what I suggest you use, seriously.
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Great, let me just work it out and see how much I can pull it up to and then I can just get back to you. Again, thanks a lot for you time and help.
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Great, let me just work it out and see how much I can pull it up to and then I can just get back to you. Again, thanks a lot for you time and help.
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If it takes you 2 hours to build, you can only test a thing 5 times a day roughly.
Because it will take a LOT of time to trouble-shoot a project, you won't be able to build back to back as soon as the next build is finished :x
Trust me, if you strengthen your HW you will advance very fast it matters a LOT.
Even to rent a Cloud VM would be acceptable, Google offers the service man