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Anyway the hummingbird will catch up to g2 processor

I know we have gotten to as high as 1.3 ghz but can our processors reach 1.4 or 1.5 ghz I know battery life would suck...but sometimes its cool to not have these other phones kick the crap out of us...haha
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Aye aye aye....
Unless the G2 was running Android 2.1 (which it never has been) it's virtually impossible to compare the two. Ghz mean nothing...
Wait until the Epic is running Froyo and see who needs to catchup to whom.

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I know we have gotten to as high as 1.3 ghz but can our processors reach 1.4 or 1.5 ghz I know battery life would suck...but sometimes its cool to not have these other phones kick the crap out of us...haha
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There was a 1.4ghz kernel but it want very stable. The extra 1ghz ain't much and is not needed unless your worried about how big your phones **** is
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Lol that was a good one.
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Not to mention that not all g2s can even handle over 1ghz, they've got a much weaker gpu and the hummingbird has been successfully rooted up to 1.6ghz, but its nowhere near ready for prime time
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The hummingbird can be clocked to 1.6hz and the gpu can achieve 75+fps on both neocore and nenamark (after having the fps cap removed.)
Is this not enough for you? We are still in 2010...

Team Whiskey has put out a Vibrant kernel (alpha) than can hit 1.6Ghz, and they're working on 1.8 and 2.0. Once they release the code (which should be soon), it shouldn't take long for an Epic version to surface.

Is stability not a problem with these high overclocks? I don't understand how someone can just put out a Xghz kernel for everyone to use. Aren't there hardware limits, ones that will be arbitrary device to device?

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Is stability not a problem with these high overclocks? I don't understand how someone can just put out a Xghz kernel for everyone to use. Aren't there hardware limits, ones that will be arbitrary device to device?
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Pretty much. Not everyone's phone can overclock. Just the luck of the draw.

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Pretty much. Not everyone's phone can overclock. Just the luck of the draw.
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Not unlike desktop CPU overclocking then.

Well yes and no...every one can be overclocked...it boils down to how much..and how well of an over-clocker a chip is..then obviously it boils down to manufacture quality aka luck of the draw.
For example...the 1st gen snapdragon is a sub par overclocker...while the 550mhz chip in the original droid is an awesome overclocker....
It kinda boils down to the manufacturer limiting the frequency to a certain amount..sometimes for stability..but often times to charge you extra for more mhz...Intel has been doing it for years selling the same chip in 3 different clocks when in reality it is exactly the same chip.
I mean if samsung wanted to they could have easily released it at 1.3ghz..they just had no reason to...

just wait till the Epic is running 2.2 and u will see who the real winner is

the biggest issues for smartphone ocing are heat n battery, cuz unlike a desktop were u can keep uping the volts n if it gets to hot just add more cooling, a smartphone is all passive so you cant go much above stock voltage or it'll melt, plus wht good is 2ghz if u can only run it for an hour b4 ur battery dies

So then why is it such a big deal to make a ROM capable of a high clock? Someone could make a 5ghz ROM, but it would never work. If Hummingbird CAN go to 1.8ghz, I don't see why the current overclocked kernel's don't already reflect that.
In other words, I think we shouldn't hope for much over 1.2ghz, which is already pretty good.
Any stability testing programs for Android? Or is everyone saying "no crash = must be stable"?

will Samsung galaxy S IV have 8 core phones next year?

so the pattern is doubling the number of cores every generations then the next generation should have 8core processor?

I highly doubt it...
Probably a hex core.
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I just noticed this in Tapatalk new posts, and just HAD to answer.
What's the point?
Name one situation where you would even need that.
Samsung needs to work on improving other practical features.
They've always upgraded what makes people fall for their phones, but never anything actually useful.
Years ago, their phone cameras went up in megapixels, but sucked no matter how much megapixels they had. Because megapixels aren't as important as is other more technical camera features. But megapixels are easiest to advertise so they went with those.
Personally I think a single core was enough. Now, phone companies need to work on RAM. They could stuff a lot more RAM in before they need to upgrade the processor.
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No, we will get more quad graphics
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Doubt it. these apps doesnt even require 8 cores. if any of these phone users require 8 core just to play games, either get a console or a decent pc.
8 core to play Angry birds or Shadowgun...pffftt...
will 8 core make me type faster?

Just Faster Speeds
tbh, I think faster speeds are really the only shift we'll be seeing at least next year for sure, but probably the year after that as well. Although with Windows 8 on ARM on the horizon, perhaps devs may find a way to do some serious mobile computing.

i don't think that 8 core will be useful for a device of 5" or 6"

They will stay at quad core but use the faster A15 architecture.
It's possible they might add some low powered A7 cores in a big.little configuration to improve battery life.
It will also have a next gen Mali gpu. Either Mali 604 or t658.
I'm also expecting it to have 2gb of ram.
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Why would you even care...
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Why would you even care...
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lol coming from a WP user
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I'm not entirely convinced multi-cored phones of any variety are even really getting fully utilized yet :/
I honestly believe cores are more of a marketing gimmick at the moment. I could be wrong, I'm no expert and I don't have the ability to see how well android handles the fine details.. But, there are a lot of factors most people don't even think about when buying phones.. Manufacturers know you're not going to ask "Well what about this 1.5ghz single core processor preforming 4 instructions per clock compared to this dual core phone performing 1.5 instructions per clock?"
Maybe when I go to upgrade my captivate I'll worry about cores more but, at the moment I wouldn't be surprised if dual cores were preforming better than quad cores since they have been out longer and had more time to get optimized in the code.

Dual core phones are already fast enough but seems like phones will start competing with pc in the next few years.
Imo RAM n battery life need to be increased greatly then manufactures should start thinking about future multiple core cpu.
Imagine a hex core cpu n the juice it needs

Yes, RAM!
ya, I definitely think RAM has a place because that's one of the best things about smartphones is the ability to multi-task! So if manufacturers can further cater to that, then I think more cores may follow, especially if we get more TRUE multi-tasking where you have live apps running. Because then, you can delegate individual cores to individual apps that are running. ATM I'm not entirely sure why I would need multiple live apps running simultaneously on a phone, however I think for business workers/students it could be helpful to be watching a live stream or doing a conference call while taking notes in an office suite app.

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LOL coming from somebody using even lesser hardware than mine. Pull out the wallet and get sum 6 core goodness you cheapo. You even fail at trolling, come on you can do better than this.
On a more serious note, even Win7 has issues handling more than 6 cores efficiently, so why would anyone even bother having 8 effing cores on a phone. A full desktop experience would be useless anyway on something like a phone, only no life nerds should get all excited about something like that. I wonder why people can't just enjoy the current technology, looking so far just means that one hasn't really got **** to do all day IMHO.
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Snow_fox said:
I'm not entirely convinced multi-cored phones of any variety are even really getting fully utilized yet :/
I honestly believe cores are more of a marketing gimmick at the moment. I could be wrong, I'm no expert and I don't have the ability to see how well android handles the fine details.. But, there are a lot of factors most people don't even think about when buying phones.. Manufacturers know you're not going to ask "Well what about this 1.5ghz single core processor preforming 4 instructions per clock compared to this dual core phone performing 1.5 instructions per clock?"
Maybe when I go to upgrade my captivate I'll worry about cores more but, at the moment I wouldn't be surprised if dual cores were preforming better than quad cores since they have been out longer and had more time to get optimized in the code.
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This. One needs to wonder why would a decent mobile OS need this much power anyway?
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LOL coming from somebody using even lesser hardware than mine. Pull out the wallet and get sum 6 core goodness you cheapo. You even fail at trolling, come on you can do better than this.
On a more serious note, even Win7 has issues handling more than 6 cores efficiently, so why would anyone even bother having 8 effing cores on a phone. A full desktop experience would be useless anyway on something like a phone, only no life nerds should get all excited about something like that. I wonder why people can't just enjoy the current technology, looking so far just means that one hasn't really got **** to do all day IMHO.
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I use even lesser lesser lesser, and lesser hardware
Instead of wasting money (which I don't have) on a newer phone, I work on optimizing Android to run at its best on my phone. Look at the Sony PSP. The XMB is amazing for a 333mhz processor. (And its actually clocked at 222mhz at the XMB). Now, were not talking about the browser here, that sucks. Sony spent time on the OS itself. They won't get thanked for it by the people who look at the features list on the box, but they engineered a wonderful OS for such a weak device.
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the s4 will be dualcore 2.3ghz the s5 will probably be some insane cpu and graphics chip capable of running mw3 im 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% sure they will be more powerful than a xbox 360

Battery and ram def need to be upped. I also think phone manuf should provide a extended battery option with every high powered phone. I would also like to see a slow down on e amount of phones coming out. Perfect your flagship mid and lower powered phones then move on
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I hope they will stop messing with cores and screen sizes and let's focus on batteries and RAM.
Most apps and software don't even use two cores, let alone four, forbid more than that.

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I use even lesser lesser lesser, and lesser hardware
Instead of wasting money (which I don't have) on a newer phone, I work on optimizing Android to run at its best on my phone. Look at the Sony PSP. The XMB is amazing for a 333mhz processor. (And its actually clocked at 222mhz at the XMB). Now, were not talking about the browser here, that sucks. Sony spent time on the OS itself. They won't get thanked for it by the people who look at the features list on the box, but they engineered a wonderful OS for such a weak device.
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Hehe, I know what you mean...a year ago I had a Desire, and it was amazing to see how greatly the software could work after some tweaking, compared to stock. Sure it was kinda challenging, but it really felt like it was worth it: that phone was a living thing to me, I could hear it breathing. I swear I almost cried when I sold it, and I actually immediately regretted doing it, but it was too late. It was like leaving a dog on the side of the road or something like that, but at that time I was all excited about the fresh dual core thing, so I couldn't think rationally. There are days when I still feel very guilty about what I did. I'll never do that again. Guys seriously, if you have an old Android device with you don't sell it, you will regret it. Maybe not now, and not even in a few months, but you definitely will, trust me, especially if you've been living with it for a while (I had that phone for over a year).
Selling the GS2 didn't actually make me feel that way, probably because I've only kept it for a few months and didn't really tweak it that much...

8 cores is long way to go.
no way 8 core phone in next 3 years!
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I hope they will stop messing with cores and screen sizes and let's focus on batteries and RAM.
Most apps and software don't even use two cores, let alone four, forbid more than that.
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Thats ri8 More RAM and Longer Battery life is way to go.
They already have superb camera and beautiful display

Android and Multi-Core Processor

Bell points the finger at chipset makers - "The way it's implemented right now, Android does not make as effective use of multiple cores as it could, and I think - frankly - some of this work could be done by the vendors who create the SoCs, but they just haven't bothered to do it. Right now the lack of software effort by some of the folks who have done their hardware implementation is a bigger disadvantage than anything else."
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What do you think about this guys?

He knows his stuff.
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i would take it with a pinch of salt, though there are not many apps that takes advantage of multi core processor lets see what intel will tell when they have thier own dual core processor out in the market

Pretty good valid arguments for the most part.
I mostly agree though, but I think android makes good use of up to 2 cores. Anything more than that it doesn't at all.

There is a huge chunk of the article missing too.
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I think they should all be covered in honey and then thrown into a pit full of bears and Honey bees. And the bears should have like knives ductaped to their feet and the bees stingers should be dipped in chilli sauce.

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I think they should all be covered in honey and then thrown into a pit full of bears and Honey bees. And the bears should have like knives ductaped to their feet and the bees stingers should be dipped in chilli sauce.
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wow, saying Android isn't ready for multip-core deserves such treatment? or this guy had committed more serious crime previously?

Actually is a totally fail but in android 5 I think it's can be solved
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This was a serious problem on desktop Windows OS as well back when multi cores first starting coming out. I remember having to download patches for certain games and in other cases, having to set the CPU affinity to run certain games/apps with only one core so that it wouldn't freeze up. I am sure Android will move forward with multi-core support in the future.

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wow, saying Android isn't ready for multip-core deserves such treatment? or this guy had committed more serious crime previously?
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Its a harsh but fair punishment imo. They need to sort that sh*t out as its totally unacceptable or they're gonna get a taste of the Cat o Nine Tails.

Android kernel is based on Linux. So this is suggesting the Linux kernel is not built to support multi-core either. Not true. There is a reason the SGS3 gets 5000+ in Quadrant, the the San Diego only gets 3000+. And the San Diego is running 200MHz faster.
Just look at the blue bar here. http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/31/orange-san-diego-benchmarks/ . My SGS3 got over 2.5K on just CPU alone.

What Intel said was true. Android is multicore aware but the os and apps aren't taking advantage of it. When this user disabled 2 cores on the HTC one x it made no difference at all in anything other than benchmarks.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=26094852&postcount=3

Disabling the CPU cores will do nothing to the GPU, hence still getting 60 FPS. And you say that like you expected to see a difference. Those games may not be particularly CPU intensive, thats why they continue to run fine. They will more than likely be GPU limited.
Android is not a difficult OS to run, thats why it can run on the G1, or AOKP can run smooth as silk on my i9000. If it can run smooth as silk on one 2yr old 1GHz chip, how COULD it go faster on a next-gen chip like in the SGS3 or HOX? In terms of just using the phone, ive not experienced any lag at all.
If youre buying a phone with dual/quad CPU cores, and only expecting to use it as a phone (i.e, not play demanding games/benchmark/mod/what ever else), of course you wont see any advantage, and you may feel cheated. And if you disable those extra cores, and still only use it as a phone, of course you wont notice any difference.
If a pocket calculator appears to calculate 1+1 instantly, and a HOX also calculates 1+1 instantly, Is the pocket calculator awesome, is the HOX not using all its cores, or is what it is being asked to do simply not taxing enough to use all the CPU power the HOX has got?

I've been hearing this for some time now and is one of the reasons I didn't care that we weren't getting the quad core version of the GS3

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I've been hearing this for some time now and is one of the reasons I didn't care that we weren't getting the quad core version of the GS3
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Okay folks... firstly linux kernel, which android is based on, is aware of multicore (its obvious) but most the applications are not aware, thats true!.. but is not the android which to blame neither the SoC makers. This is like the flame intel made that they wanted to say their single core can do faster to a dual core arm LOL, (maybe intel will make 1 core has 4 threads or 8 threads) <- imposibruuu for now dunno later
you will notice the core usage while playing HD video that require cpu to decode (better core decode fastly)... and im not sure single core intel does better to arm dual core.. ~haha~
but for average user the differences are not noticable.. if intel aiming for this market yes that make sense... but android user are above average user.. they will optimize its phone eventually IMO

What they have failed to disclose is which SoC they did their test on and their methodology. Not much reason to doubt what he's saying but you gotta remember that Intel only have a single core mobile SoC currently and are aiming to get a foothold in the mobile device ecosystem so part of this could be throwing salt on competing products as it's something that should be taken care of by Google optimising the CPU scheduling algorithms of their OS.

The problem is in the chip set. I currently attend SUNY Oswego and a professor of mine Doug Lea works on many concurrent structures. He is currently working on the ARM spec sheet that is used to make chips. The bench marks that he has done shows that no matter how lucky or unlucky you get, the time that it takes to do a concurrent process is about the same where on desktop chips there is a huge difference between best case and worse case. The blame falls on the people that make the chips for now. They need to change how it handles concurrent operations and then if android still cant use multi-core processors then it falls on the shoulders of google.
that is my two cents on the whole situation. Just finished concurrency with Doug and after many talks this is my current opinion.
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Disabling the CPU cores will do nothing to the GPU, hence still getting 60 FPS. And you say that like you expected to see a difference. Those games may not be particularly CPU intensive, thats why they continue to run fine. They will more than likely be GPU limited.
Android is not a difficult OS to run, thats why it can run on the G1, or AOKP can run smooth as silk on my i9000. If it can run smooth as silk on one 2yr old 1GHz chip, how COULD it go faster on a next-gen chip like in the SGS3 or HOX? In terms of just using the phone, ive not experienced any lag at all.
If youre buying a phone with dual/quad CPU cores, and only expecting to use it as a phone (i.e, not play demanding games/benchmark/mod/what ever else), of course you wont see any advantage, and you may feel cheated. And if you disable those extra cores, and still only use it as a phone, of course you wont notice any difference.
If a pocket calculator appears to calculate 1+1 instantly, and a HOX also calculates 1+1 instantly, Is the pocket calculator awesome, is the HOX not using all its cores, or is what it is being asked to do simply not taxing enough to use all the CPU power the HOX has got?
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That doesn't mean daily task doesn't need the cpu power. When I put my sgs 3 in power save mode which cut back the cpu to 800mHz, I feel the lag instantly when scrolling around and navigating the internet. So I can conclude that performance per core is still much more important than number of cores. There isn't any performance difference either with the dual core sensation xe running beside the single core sensational xl.

The hardware needs to be out for developers to have incentive to make use of it. It's not like Android was built from the ground up to utilize 4 cores. That said, once it hits enough hand it and software running in it will be made to utilize the new hardware.

Bench

Can you guys post some benchmarks. Thanks
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I got a poor 2200 from Quadrant
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I got 2042 on one run

I just benchmarked my 2011 Kindle Fire and it got a 2016 in quadrant. OMAP 4460 is supposed to be 20% faster clock than OMAP 4430(1.2ghz v 1ghz) so I would assume Kindle Fire HD gets 2400ish but that's only hypothetical.

6100 from Antutu benchmark. Really, pretty good for 1.2
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And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
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And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
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Nexus has a quad core CPU. Im sure that bench is multi-threaded.

Okay. Regardless, an score like that is quite mediocre
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Nexus has a quad core CPU. Im sure that bench is multi-threaded.
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Also, those benchmarks don't compensate for the OS - a vanilla version of the OS (Nexus 7) will run faster than one that is less efficient (KFHD). Real world is what matters to me. I bought a KFHD after playing around with one at Best Buy. I don't know if the review units had flaws, but I have experienced no stuttering or slow down. It is much smoother than I expected.
Also, popping flash on there was a breeze, as is sideloading any apps (minus google apps, but including YouTube) that you want.
Overall, a pretty great product. For me it simply came down to if a vanilla Android experience offset the HDMI out (awesome), dual wifi antennas, stereo (and usable) speakers, better screen (that isn't even an opinion if you've seen the screen), double the storage, etc. of the KFHD.

I don't think the difference is that night and day, when comparing the features, although I am happy you are happy about it. The only reason I truly want one of these is because my nexus had been having a lit of issues.
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Anyone thinking that the CPU on the Kindle HD will perform anything remotely close to the Nexus is only fooling yourselves. The CPU on the HD by all means is considered a budget chip and anyone thinking otherwise is just being delusional. Sure the HD has other aspects going for it verses the Nexus, but the CPU isn't one of them.
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4460 vs 4470
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And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
The Kindle Fire 8.9 is the one that beats the nexus 7 (slightly). The 4460 and 4470 are very different in performance (as far as 3D goes). The omap 4470 has a SGX544 vs the SGX540 in the 4460.
http://www.arctablet.com/blog/featu...0-tablet-review-part-3-omap-4470-performance/
This means the 7HD should perform like a Galaxy Nexus (~2000) while the 8.9 performs like the Archos 101XS (~3800 quadrant)
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Anyone thinking that the CPU on the Kindle HD will perform anything remotely close to the Nexus is only fooling yourselves. The CPU on the HD is by all means is considered a budget chip and anyone thinking otherwise is just being delusional. Sure the HD has other aspects going for it verses the Nexus, but the CPU isn't one of them.
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To me (and this almost kills me to say as a PC enthusiast that is constantly OC'ing and upgrading), there isn't a reason for all the power on android. Cell phones / tablets are the first technology I have seen where the hardware is so far beyond anything the software can take advantage of, it is almost pointless. Quad core processors on a tablet with near zero apps optimized for them. Graphics chips so fast they can run 3D games with ease....with about 10 3D games to play...
I highly doubt there will be any software coming anytime soon that will tax even a KFHD's hardware - especially if you use a PC / Laptop for hardcore gaming, and stick with stuff like Cut the Rope and word games on your tablet.
It seems like such a waste of hardware computing power to me.

^^^^^^
And all the while chips are getting faster and faster.
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ncvikingx97 said:
And people are saying that the kindle fire HD had better hardware than the nexus. I think it definitely needs root. The GPU can be as amazing, but the processing side matters too
The Kindle Fire 8.9 is the one that beats the nexus 7 (slightly). The 4460 and 4470 are very different in performance (as far as 3D goes). The omap 4470 has a SGX544 vs the SGX540 in the 4460.
http://www.arctablet.com/blog/featu...0-tablet-review-part-3-omap-4470-performance/
This means the 7HD should perform like a Galaxy Nexus (~2000) while the 8.9 performs like the Archos 101XS (~3800 quadrant)
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Is the difference between the two that extreme?crazy
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Now 6700 from Antutu benchmark. Sweet.
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Most of the literature I've seen says the KFHD 7 has a 4460 with an SGX544 (not an SGX540). Is this even possible ?

It would be great if it was. I don't think amazonvwants to desperate the two in hardware to the extreme of what others are saying
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To me (and this almost kills me to say as a PC enthusiast that is constantly OC'ing and upgrading), there isn't a reason for all the power on android. Cell phones / tablets are the first technology I have seen where the hardware is so far beyond anything the software can take advantage of, it is almost pointless. Quad core processors on a tablet with near zero apps optimized for them. Graphics chips so fast they can run 3D games with ease....with about 10 3D games to play...
I highly doubt there will be any software coming anytime soon that will tax even a KFHD's hardware - especially if you use a PC / Laptop for hardcore gaming, and stick with stuff like Cut the Rope and word games on your tablet.
It seems like such a waste of hardware computing power to me.
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It's pointless to own now only because of the lack of optimizations, this is slowly changing. There is always be a growth period for software when new hardware releases. The applications that really need the extra cores are already using them, dont worry.
Look at Apple for example. It's taking time to get the apps for the new iPads higher screen resolution but it is happening, just slowly. Now consider that the iPad 1 with it's single core no longer receives updates to the OS as it's become too slow with all the changes and outdated. Apple even restricts the applications it can use like garageband and a lot of 3D games run poorly or not at all. This is only 3 years old and already completely outdated even with the more efficient OS. Any android tablet surely would feel terribly slow much quicker considering Android is running as a virtual machine and using more resources to do so.

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It's pointless to own now only because of the lack of optimizations, this is slowly changing. There is always be a growth period for software when new hardware releases. The applications that really need the extra cores are already using them, dont worry.
Look at Apple for example. It's taking time to get the apps for the new iPads higher screen resolution but it is happening, just slowly. Now consider that the iPad 1 with it's single core no longer receives updates to the OS as it's become too slow with all the changes and outdated. Apple even restricts the applications it can use like garageband and a lot of 3D games run poorly or not at all. This is only 3 years old and already completely outdated even with the more efficient OS. Any android tablet surely would feel terribly slow much quicker considering Android is running as a virtual machine and using more resources to do so.
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Just curious, what does it mean it is running as a virtual machine? Thank you
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HTC One Snapdragon 800 ???

It's been some time now since I've heard rumors of HTC upgrading their One phone with the newer Snapdragon 800 processor chip. Anyone else have anymore information on a possible release date for it?
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One X > One X+ was 8 months.
That would land the One+ in October, right there with the iPhone 5S.
Makes sense to me!
On a side note, LG G2 is being announced tomorrow. It's pretty cool looking, but we'll have to see if it implements the 800's native always listening capabilities from the start. I highly doubt it. OEMs might let Moto X be the test dummy and see if people like the always on feature.

Is the 800 the same architecture as the 600??
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It's been some time now since I've heard rumors of HTC upgrading their One phone with the newer Snapdragon 800 processor chip. Anyone else have anymore information on a possible release date for it?
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any link to those rumours? so far our leakers are denying such device
but i really wish it happens

The One Max will probably get the 800. I don't think they will release a One+.
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HTC One Max Specs:
6" 1080p SLCD 3 Display
Qualcom Snapdragon 800 @ 2,3 GHz
2 Gb ram
32/64 gb Memory
3200mah
If everything goes right we will See the phablet fight in September against the SGN 3.
Rumors appeard where the Max should have a 3300 mAh battery and a microsd slot
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hamdir said:
any link to those rumours? so far our leakers are denying such device
but i really wish it happens
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Its a german site, but also well informed.
http://www.mobilegeeks.de/htc-one-max-erste-fotos-geleakt/
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The One Max is pretty much confirmed
I was asking about One+ rumours (same size) and i agree i dont think its happening

From the way the phone is overheating while you play games, I dont think they will be putting a faster CPU into the phone.
Maybe a faster GPU or an new gen of more efficient ARM processors
The current quad cores are already plenty fast for normal phone use.

We don't need s800 imo.. s600 is fast enough for me. But i wouldn't mind Adreno 330 gpu.

The One Max is not an upgrade over the One. I hope everyone realizes this. It will be very difficult to handle and heavier.
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musezer said:
From the way the phone is overheating while you play games, I dont think they will be putting a faster CPU into the phone.
Maybe a faster GPU or an new gen of more efficient ARM processors
The current quad cores are already plenty fast for normal phone use.
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I wish android OEMs start getting some sense into their heads, we don't need more CPU power at this point, just GPU
Sadly this is a call for the SOC vendors to make

hamdir said:
I wish android OEMs start getting some sense into their heads, we don't need more CPU power at this point, just GPU
Sadly this is a call for the SOC vendors to make
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New GPU and LPDDR3 would be a nice bump in performance.

Screw both CPU and GPU, better battery tech FFS.
We didn't need 1080p screens and mobile SoCs that are coming close to mid 2000's laptop power.
But it's hell asking for a phone to have two days standby time with heavy usage (6+ hours screen on) without wifi.

musezer said:
From the way the phone is overheating while you play games, I dont think they will be putting a faster CPU into the phone.
Maybe a faster GPU or an new gen of more efficient ARM processors
The current quad cores are already plenty fast for normal phone use.
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I think you just don't understand what overheating means...
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I think the spec madness has to stop.
Always listening should become a standard from now on. I read from Blinkfeed that the 800 has native support for it.
We also need better battery life. The G2, a next gen phone, has a 3000 mAh battery. We'll see if that'll be enough.
There is research being conducted to incorporate Silicon anodes in Li-ion batteries. I'm looking forward to that.
Another thing is heat dissipation. These things are more powerful than a laptop from the early 2000's. How can mfgs expect these to run at their full potential with no heat dissipation? Currently, the only solution provided is to throttle the CPU severely. The One has a metal backplate, which thankfully acts as a huge heatsink. However, it's not enough. Just 10 mins of 3D gameplay or browsing and the frame rate drops to rock bottom. Kinda defeats the purpose of having such a powerful processor.
Are any mfgs even trying to address the heat issues?

sauprankul said:
I think the spec madness has to stop.
Always listening should become a standard from now on. I read from Blinkfeed that the 800 has native support for it.
We also need better battery life. The G2, a next gen phone, has a 3000 mAh battery. We'll see if that'll be enough.
There is research being conducted to incorporate Silicon anodes in Li-ion batteries. I'm looking forward to that.
Another thing is heat dissipation. These things are more powerful than a laptop from the early 2000's. How can mfgs expect these to run at their full potential with no heat dissipation? Currently, the only solution provided is to throttle the CPU severely. The One has a metal backplate, which thankfully acts as a huge heatsink. However, it's not enough. Just 10 mins of 3D gameplay or browsing and the frame rate drops to rock bottom. Kinda defeats the purpose of having such a powerful processor.
Are any mfgs even trying to address the heat issues?
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Why you want yet an new ONE yet??? Its the better android phone now overall by far.. The differences with the snapdragon 600 and the 800 there are minimals.. I prefeer all day the One near the lg G2 big plastic crap.
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I read in an article that the lg g2 laged on random things they said because lg's ui is heavy

giorat23 said:
Why you want yet an new ONE yet??? Its the better android phone now overall by far.. The differences with the snapdragon 600 and the 800 there are minimals.. I prefeer all day the One near the lg G2 big plastic crap.
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Subtleties, my good man.
I never said I wanted a new One right now. That would be nice, but it isn't necessary.
And I didn't say I wanted an S800, I simply said that the next generation of devices should implement the native always listening feature. And the 800 makes several significant improvements.
http://m.techradar.com/news/computi...mm-processor-will-always-be-listening-1132647
And believe it or not your precious phone (and mine) will be outdated in a matter of months. A new genreation of devices seems to release every 6 months or so!
I was commenting on a disturbing trend the Android smartphone market is exhibiting: an obsession with theoretical values and inflated numbers. While these do help to some degree, there needs to be some kind of innovation, or else we'll all end up in a very uncomfortable situation.

sauprankul said:
I think the spec madness has to stop.
Always listening should become a standard from now on. I read from Blinkfeed that the 800 has native support for it.
We also need better battery life. The G2, a next gen phone, has a 3000 mAh battery. We'll see if that'll be enough.
There is research being conducted to incorporate Silicon anodes in Li-ion batteries. I'm looking forward to that.
Another thing is heat dissipation. These things are more powerful than a laptop from the early 2000's. How can mfgs expect these to run at their full potential with no heat dissipation? Currently, the only solution provided is to throttle the CPU severely. The One has a metal backplate, which thankfully acts as a huge heatsink. However, it's not enough. Just 10 mins of 3D gameplay or browsing and the frame rate drops to rock bottom. Kinda defeats the purpose of having such a powerful processor.
Are any mfgs even trying to address the heat issues?
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Are you unlocked? With ElementalX kernel, you have custom thermal throttling that does not affect gaming performance. My phone never throttles and the battery stays below 50 degrees. HTC's throttling was way too agressive. You can play a 3D game for an hour with no slowdown. Plus, the kernel improves battery life.
I cant stand the stock kernel any more after trying others.

I remember my boyfriend buying the LG Optimus 2x when it was released. It was the first Android phone with dual core and - if you took a look on the hardware - very, very promising compared to other androids. Yeah... Theory. It was laggy. It lagged so much, even my HTC Desire was faster and smoother.
I'm really curious what the new LG G2 will act like, but my expectations are extremely low
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