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Thinking of getting one

Have an evo but I'm getting a Verizon dealer line. Is it worth it I'm a big gamer and will be getting an evo 3d to replace my evo. However I'm worried that the lack of good hardware will make the phone obsolete pretty quick..... thinking of getting a Droid x2 just for the tegra..... but not sure what advantages it would have. I'm also kind of worried about Sony portinhg enough stuff over to make it worth it.
Tho being able to run Rome on the built in emulator would be Perth awesome.
If I'm a huge gamer is it worth it. I really just want opinions on the device so any comments would be great.
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thorpe24 said:
Have an evo but I'm getting a Verizon dealer line. Is it worth it I'm a big gamer and will be getting an evo 3d to replace my evo. However I'm worried that the lack of good hardware will make the phone obsolete pretty quick..... thinking of getting a Droid x2 just for the tegra..... but not sure what advantages it would have. I'm also kind of worried about Sony portinhg enough stuff over to make it worth it.
Tho being able to run Rome on the built in emulator would be Perth awesome.
If I'm a huge gamer is it worth it. I really just want opinions on the device so any comments would be great.
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The evo 3Ds bootloader, recovery and kernel are locked down and signed, devs have said theres no way to get past it either lol so get a play
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Like games. Get a play. Simple.
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Thanks for the replies. I'm going to have two phones and figure the evo 3d would be pretty cool for some stuff. Hopefully I can use it to tether.... if not ill just use the play.
How well do the touchpads work?
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matknny said:
Like games. Get a play. Simple.
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I agree. This thing is Awesome and I'm so glad I moved from my iPhone to the X Play. Playing the old PSX games as well as the new games like the Spiderman is a lot better with the buttons.

thorpe24 said:
How well do the touchpads work?
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They take some getting use to but they work well.

thorpe24 said:
Thanks for the replies. I'm going to have two phones and figure the evo 3d would be pretty cool for some stuff. Hopefully I can use it to tether.... if not ill just use the play.
How well do the touchpads work?
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surprisingly they work a lot better than i thought.

thorpe24 said:
However I'm worried that the lack of good hardware will make the phone obsolete pretty quick..... thinking of getting a Droid x2 just for the tegra..... but not sure what advantages it would have.
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I dont think the hardware will be obsolete quick. With the controls alone you can play thousands of roms on emulators. Even if sony laggs on releases. FPSE works fine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20Uc10kZABg
Sony Ericsson Xperia Arc vs LG Optimus 2x "Face Off". With the play and the arc being similiar id say its probably not to far off. The processor obviously would kick the plays arse. But at the moment dual core is not needed, only a few apps and games are tailored for it. What the point of all that power with nothing to use it.

Trust me the processor in the xperia play is amazing. It is currently the fastest single core CPU on android. Also the Xperia play has a GPU much more powerful than the one in tegra devices. Its even faster than the ipad2 GPU.
Hardware wise it is pretty advanced.

RacecarBMW said:
Trust me the processor in the xperia play is amazing. It is currently the fastest single core CPU on android. Also the Xperia play has a GPU much more powerful than the one in tegra devices. Its even faster than the ipad2 GPU.
Hardware wise it is pretty advanced.
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I totally agree with this. Just because it doesn't do well in benchmarks doesn't mean it's not faster in real world applications. My DroidX will smoke the Play in Quadrant. But if I were to do a side-by-side comparison on Dungeon Defenders, or load times, the Play will destroy it.
So for current processors, the Play has a very nice one indeed. Tegra is over-hyped in my book.
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RacecarBMW said:
Trust me the processor in the xperia play is amazing. It is currently the fastest single core CPU on android. Also the Xperia play has a GPU much more powerful than the one in tegra devices. Its even faster than the ipad2 GPU.
Hardware wise it is pretty advanced.
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What?! how is the Adreno 205 (single core) more powerful than a dual/quad core Tegra 2? its no where near and as for being more powerful than the gpu in the ipad 2, not a chance lol.
I love my Play but let's not get carried away with false claims
It can hold it's own against the rest of the mid range phones (iphone 4, galaxy s, desire hd etc) at the moment but it isn't in the same league hardware wise compared to the high end devices appearing now.
And yup, the cpu is one of the best single cores around but that's not saying much when the rest of the competition have moved on to dual core cpu's (and quad core by the end of the year) now....

FK1983 said:
What?! how is the Adreno 205 (single core) more powerful than a dual/quad core Tegra 2? its no where near and as for being more powerful than the gpu in the ipad 2, not a chance lol.
I love my Play but let's not get carried away with false claims
And yup, the cpu is one of the best single cores around but that's not saying much when the rest of the competition have moved on to dual core cpu's (and quad core by the end of the year) now....
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Yeah but its all about optimization.
Lets look at my PC vs a PS2 for example.
PS2 Specs: 32mb RAM, CPU 300mhz EE, GPU GS 4mb
My PC: 12gb Trichannel RAM, CPU i7 4 cores, 2 threads each @ 2.7ghz, GPU ATi 5870 1gb GDDR5
^My PC spanks the HELL out of those specs, but guess what? Through emulation my PC can not even play all games smoothly.
The Xperia Play hardware and the chip sets mentioned above have a MUCH less difference.
Meaning...
Any games and software designed around the Xperia Play will look vastly superior and play vastly superior on the Play vs those other chip sets, and believe me being the only phone on the market that is ALSO a dedicated gaming platform means that the system will see games that are much much better than those other chip sets. The Play basically owns the gaming market by default right now, the support is going to be insane.

Im wanting one to i hope i can afford it
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FK1983 said:
What?! how is the Adreno 205 (single core) more powerful than a dual/quad core Tegra 2? its no where near and as for being more powerful than the gpu in the ipad 2, not a chance lol.
I love my Play but let's not get carried away with false claims
It can hold it's own against the rest of the mid range phones (iphone 4, galaxy s, desire hd etc) at the moment but it isn't in the same league hardware wise compared to the high end devices appearing now.
And yup, the cpu is one of the best single cores around but that's not saying much when the rest of the competition have moved on to dual core cpu's (and quad core by the end of the year) now....
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Tegra is nothing special you know, it's total clock speed is only 1ghz just like ours, just because is dual core dosent make it super amazing. and as have been proven by chainfire, the GPU is not much better than ours. anyway imo the play is not a mid range device, it is quite easy in the high end category

gunstar3035 said:
Yeah but its all about optimization.
Any games and software designed around the Xperia Play will look vastly superior and play vastly superior on the Play vs those other chip sets, and believe me being the only phone on the market that is ALSO a dedicated gaming platform means that the system will see games that are much much better than those other chip sets. The Play basically owns the gaming market by default right now, the support is going to be insane.
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You can say that about any device though, if a game is made for the samsung galaxy s 2 and is optimized for that devices hardware (the better cpu/gpu and ram) it would wipe the floor with the play version, same as ipad 2, atrix, lg optimus 2 etc.
And yes, the play has the gaming pad which hopefully will expand the life a bit of the device and mean we do get some decent support (I hope) but obviously it depends how the Play sells (not sounding great at the moment tbh)

AndroHero said:
Tegra is nothing special you know, it's total clock speed is only 1ghz just like ours, just because is dual core dosent make it super amazing. and as have been proven by chainfire, the GPU is not much better than ours. anyway imo the play is not a mid range device, it is quite easy in the high end category
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The play is NOT a high end device lol, it sits slap bang in the mid range hardware wise, check all the review sites, all of them class this device as a mid range device,
CNET UK:
All indications seem to be that the Play is a good mid-range smartphone. Whether you should choose it over any other phone will hinge entirely on how often you think you will want to play games on it.
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Single core 1ghz cpu (classed as mid range), adreno 205 gpu (while good still classed as mid range), ram is 512mb but has 378mb usable (classed as mid range, the desire s and desire hd even beat it with 768mb of ram), internal storage is 400mb (mid range), the screen is standard lcd (and not S-LCD or AMOLED etc) so is also mid range,
I knew the Xperia Play was a mid range device before I bought it, I have no issues about that, but it does make me laugh when people try and say it is high end when its nowhere near, check the reviews, check the specs, check the benchmarks, they ALL scream mid range!
And yes, the Play can play the recent Tegra 2 games using chainfire but remember those games are 1st generation Tegra 2 games, give it a few months and none of the Tegra 2 games will work on the Adreno 205 gpu, and theres games on tegra 2 already that won't even run on the Play due to the inferior gpu and ram on the Play (monster madness and bang bang racing for example) even with chainfire.

The X-Play is great the controls feel great minus the analogs they get a bit getting used to, at first I thought they were just broken. I had been having a few problems with the power button getting stuck when pressed but I just used a razor blade to shave the sides of the cover and it works just fine. The auto bright feature is just annoying due to it constantly changing hope an update will allow to turn off auto bright. Gaming on it is enjoyable especially at work when nothing is going on. Battery life last me about 6 hours of gaming it could be better but once r800x model can be rooted to uninstall verizon's bloatware and auto bright disabled battery life just be greatly extended.

Anyone think Samsung Should use Tegra?

Hi,
One thing I havent seen many people talk about is the fact that S3/2 and the Note lack the Tegra SoC. I Kknow Samsung likes to use their own Exynos, but sometimes I hate the fact that I cant run those THD games which admittedly many are quality games. And.in some cases like Riptide and Shadowgun you do get some extra eye-candy over the regular versions. This is one area were the HTC One X wins I think....the ability to play those high quality THD versions of the game. Im also sure you can root and use chainfire, but sometimes I wish the galaxy line would use the Tegra 3 and have the widest game compatibility. For me this is the biggest downside to what for me is.the perfect phone.
Anyone feel the same?
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I hear ya!!!
I really miss my Tegra goodness...
Many will say that by using this or using that you can make Tegra games run on non-tegra devices, and that's partially true, however true Tegra graphics are much better...
There are many shader effects missing on those non-tegra devices.
I would really love to see a Tegra based Note (even though I know that would never happen)...

Samsung does use tegra, i had a galaxy tab 10.1 and it ran like dog ****

bamboo12 said:
Samsung does use tegra, i had a galaxy tab 10.1 and it ran like dog ****
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Like most tegra 2 devices. I've used moto atrix, lg g2x, acer/toshiba tablets.
They just helping wuth androids biggest problem, fragmentation. This isnt a samsung processor issue, this is up to the developer. Think 360 vs ps3.
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Tegra processors are usually on the low-end of available options.
Eg/
SGS: Exynos 3110 = 170
Droid2 : OMAP 3630 = 160
NexusOne: QSD 8250 = 130
HTC prototype: Tegra APX 650 = 100
SGS 2: Exynos 4210 = 140
Sensation XL: QSD 8255= 130
Optimus 3D: OMAP 4330 = 120
Atrix 4G: Tegra2 = 100
SGS 3: Exynos 4412 = 130
*OMAP Skipped Generation* = N/A
Optimus 4X: Tegra3 = 110
OneS: Krait S4-dual = 100
By having early and direct access to their own manufacturing facility, Samsung can develop chips that are slightly faster than the competition and produce them at lower costs.
Apple tends to strongarm the market with early business deals and access to manufacturing facilities too, though not on Samsung's scale. Fortunately for Apple, they don't need the fastest, they need "good enough" at the cheapest price. Since iOS will run faster than Android, due to better and direct optimizations, Apple's offerings can consequently be even faster than Samsung's.

Say all you want about Tegra being on the low-end side, but when it comes to gaming graphics they simply blow the competition out of the water!
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Rayan said:
Say all you want about Tegra being on the low-end side, but when it comes to gaming graphics they simply blow the competition out of the water!
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I have not seen a side by side comparison but apart from the graphics, how many tegra games are really compelling? I have not seen a tegra game that made me wish i had a tegra device.
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I prefer Mali. So no.
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Rayan said:
Say all you want about Tegra being on the low-end side, but when it comes to gaming graphics they simply blow the competition out of the water!
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When it comes to the GPU, Nvidia are using competitive offerings.
For instance, the one in Tegra 1 (APX 650) was top-tier in its era, but not the best.
This is forgivable as they were new to the mobile market.
With the Tegra2, nVidia did offer a great chip.
It was about on-par/higher than the SGX540... but it was surpassed with the new drivers and higher clocked SGX540 from OMAP4470. And not to mention the quadcore Mali-400 (SGS2) that embarassed it.
With the Tegra3, there's nothing new.
They offer a gpu that was better than their competitors, but the competitors are rolling out their new gpu. Qualcomm with their new Adreno. Samsung with the T604. Omap with the SGX544mp4. In fact the new A5X gpu is superior to the Tegra3 gpu. Don't forget about the PS Vita either.
here's an interesting article: http://blog.laptopmag.com/tablet-chip-showdown-nvidia-tegra-3-vs-the-new-ipads-a5x
Soon, Tegra3 will be a "mid-entry" SoC, or even a "low-mid" one.
The only advantage the Tegra chips have is the TegraZone. Deeper integration of the software to the gpu, that's how nVidia levels the field.
So you are in fact incorrect. They don't blow the competition out of the water!
They fragment the competition, which I believe is wrong. I think that either nVidia must try harder (they're a friggin graphics company!!!) or that the TegraZone enhancements should be in the AOSP and give all competitors a chance to provide the best software (drivers producing, kernels processing, roms consuming) for their hardware.
With greater competition, the consumers win.

I'd rather have the better Exynos processor than some crappy Tegra games which I might show off once and then never play again...

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I'd rather have the better Exynos processor than some crappy Tegra games which I might show off once and then never play again...
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+1,000,000 to this!
Tegra - no thank you!

bamboo12 said:
Samsung does use tegra, i had a galaxy tab 10.1 and it ran like dog ****
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That was Tegra 2. Tegra 3 on the HtC one x and Asus transformer prime flies.
So the myth that Tegra is slow has been shown by Tegra 3
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violentgoomba said:
I have not seen a side by side comparison but apart from the graphics, how many tegra games are really compelling? I have not seen a tegra game that made me wish i had a tegra device.
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Riptide GP...Samurai 2 THD, Shadowgun Tegra 3, Fruit Ninja THD, Bang bang racing Thd...i think are pretty good titles and offrr significant enhancements over the non thd versions.
I love my Note...but I do have to admit that a One X with the Tegra 3 has more game support and is faster.
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nvidia is a GFX Company. They'll pay for people develop stuff for their products.
Tegra 3 is inferior to the Mali 400 MP. Ask the developer to make a version of their game using all Mali 400MP Features.
Blame the developer not the GPU itself.

blue13x said:
Hi,
One thing I havent seen many people talk about is the fact that S3/2 and the Note lack the Tegra SoC. I Kknow Samsung likes to use their own Exynos, but sometimes I hate the fact that I cant run those THD games which admittedly many are quality games. And.in some cases like Riptide and Shadowgun you do get some extra eye-candy over the regular versions. This is one area were the HTC One X wins I think....the ability to play those high quality THD versions of the game. Im also sure you can root and use chainfire, but sometimes I wish the galaxy line would use the Tegra 3 and have the widest game compatibility. For me this is the biggest downside to what for me is.the perfect phone.
Anyone feel the same?
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A few Samsungs run Tegras - they have piss poor performance, abysmal video decoding capability, etc. See Tab 10.1 as an example - the tegra2 in that is a POS compared to Exynos4.
NVidia is always first to up the core count but always delivers poor performance per core.
Similarly, the Exynos 4412 smokes the Tegra 3 when total system performance is taken into account.
It's kind of odd that the SoC that comes from a company whose specialty is GPUs is the worst in terms of 2D video performance (codec support) and average at best for 3D.
On top of that they use some funky texture compression format not compatible with anything else unless you use Chainfire 3D.

mdrjr said:
Tegra 3 is inferior to the Mali 400 MP. Ask the developer to make a version of their game using all Mali 400MP Features.
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No. The gpu in the Tegra 3 is slightly superior to the quadcore Mali-400, not a huge stretch.
But each "generation" nVidia have been the the inferior products, especially in the graphics components (irony?). However, they offset this because they're first to market.
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That's exactly right.
Its about the entire offering software AND hardware optimization, not one without the other.
I rather have a 1GB RAM and Tegra2 rather than 2GB RAM and Exynos 4410... just as long as the software is optimized (for instance, lower-level API support using Qt and Mainline Linux.... compared to higher-order virtual engine running on a inferior kernel).

I think your arguments are all invalid. Especially on this forum.
Just install chainfire 3d pro and you can run all those THD games flawlessly and in real world performance mali blows tegra out of the sky.

tegra gets no love nowadays

Darfus said:
I think your arguments are all invalid. Especially on this forum.
Just install chainfire 3d pro and you can run all those THD games flawlessly and in real world performance mali blows tegra out of the sky.
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Even though Chainfire allow us to run Tegra games, it does not do a good job emulating the shader effects present in the actual games. Games look flat and dull compared to the original.
Cheers!
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Rayan said:
Even though Chainfire allow us to run Tegra games, it does not do a good job emulating the shader effects present in the actual games. Games look flat and dull compared to the original.
Cheers!
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Plus it requires rooting. I prefer the support right out of the box.
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Serious question...

What makes the nexus 7 better than something like this:
http://www.futeko.com/products/TAB019.php
The nexus has more cores but the above is clocked higher. Anyone care to enlighten me?
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Core clock speeds don't really have a huge impact on performance. At this stage, I think more people need to learn that cores+clocks =/= performance (look at AMD processors vs Intel). Either way, the Tegra 3 is one of the most powerful ARM CPU's available, and will smash any dual-core processor besides the Qualcomm S4. It doesn't even matter if this one is clocked at 1.2/1.3 instead of 1.5, the performance output it similar. Just saves more power.
On top of that, the tablet you listed has the generic 1024x600 resolution, which is a much lower ppi than the 1280x800 of the Nexus 7.

Shorter battery life, lower resolution, probably heavy and cheaply made, not google product so (probably) wont get Jelly Bean

Plus no project butter, and anything made by a non Google affiliate is lacking in the software department.
Any noob can make a rom but it probably won't work as well as cm9.
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Another thing to add would be support, whether that ve from google or developers. That is a massive positive which can never be underestimated. The future is very bright for the nexus 7.
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billy no name tablet vs a Google nexus there is no comparison

The screen Res and quality, battery life, quad cores, user support, build quality, mali400 is old (still fast I guess) lower clocked ram ( nexus has 1333mhz I very much doubt that tab has anything near that speed), less interest from rom makers, slower updates to the Android OS. list is endless.
edit, that cheap tabs ppi is 170 nexus is a lot higher and it has no Bluetooth or GPS

So, n7 wins in almost every way besides cost and perhaps storage.
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So, n7 wins in almost every way besides cost and perhaps storage.
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all those extra upgrades and Google support is well worth the extra £60 or so.n7 rapes that pos

And no GPS!

[Q] safe gpu and cpu voltages!?

Hello i have been searching but cant find the max safe voltages for the CPU or GPU thanks if you can link me or help

Every device is different, there is no voltage that is perfect for every device.
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FitAmp said:
Every device is different, there is no voltage that is perfect for every device.
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I know that, thanks for responding. I mean the nvidia specific safe voltage chart so i don't fry my device when overclocking like i did before

Nexus7<3 said:
I know that, thanks for responding. I mean the nvidia specific safe voltage chart so i don't fry my device when overclocking like i did before
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That is called Stock behavior.
What, you think that Nvidia/Google/Asus sat around in a meeting and said to each other,
"Hey, look, we really could run this thing at 200% of our current maximums without any risks at all, but let's not do that because this tablet market isn't very competitive and nobody will care if our performance is crappy compared to other devices. Let's decide to operate it at only one-half or one-third of it's safe capabilities - for no apparent reason whatsoever - just so we can."

Just let everything as it is on default bro
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bftb0 said:
That is called Stock behavior.
What, you think that Nvidia/Google/Asus sat around in a meeting and said to each other,
"Hey, look, we really could run this thing at 200% of our current maximums without any risks at all, but let's not do that because this tablet market isn't very competitive and nobody will care if our performance is crappy compared to other devices. Let's decide to operate it at only one-half or one-third of it's safe capabilities - for no apparent reason whatsoever - just so we can."
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Dude there is a "/official nividia voltage chart for tegra 3 somewhere all Tue devas talk about one." Thanks for answering. Yeah they could actually look at the new tegra 3 game console it is at 2.3 GHz and also the one in nexus 7 is under clocked to 1.3 to conserve battery life as it is vey stable to 1.5/1.6 ghZ

Tommy-Geenexus said:
Just let everything as it is on default bro
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There is no default for the gpu on m kernel. Over clocking while theoredicly killing your prossesor faster actually can add life to our tablets becuase they will be able to run more recent things when tegra 3 becomes obsolete and we get better games and a newer os in a few major updates. I benchmark in 3dmark a good 3xs stock when in the 600mhz GPU range and 1.7 prossesor clock so i know this will help us run recent stiff. Just wanted to know is there is a nvidia specific """"chart"""" of some kind or manufacturer's guide to safe voltages and clock speed as some dev said" the voltages are high although within nvidia limits" do you know the limits is what I'm asking...
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bftb0 said:
That is called Stock behavior.
What, you think that Nvidia/Google/Asus sat around in a meeting and said to each other,
"Hey, look, we really could run this thing at 200% of our current maximums without any risks at all, but let's not do that because this tablet market isn't very competitive and nobody will care if our performance is crappy compared to other devices. Let's decide to operate it at only one-half or one-third of it's safe capabilities - for no apparent reason whatsoever - just so we can."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence
Not saying this is the case specifically for the N7, but there are many corporations out there who would do this type of thing (*cough* intel *cough*).

The game console nvidia shield has an tegra 4i which is far more powerful and can be clocked very high, theres no tegra 3 game console.
Safe OC goes up to 1.5 GHz, but look at one x+ still stable @1.7 ghz and 520 mhz gpu.
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Nexus7<3 said:
Dude there is a "/official nividia voltage chart for tegra 3 somewhere all Tue devas talk about one." Thanks for answering. Yeah they could actually look at the new tegra 3 game console it is at 2.3 GHz and also the one in nexus 7 is under clocked to 1.3 to conserve battery life as it is vey stable to 1.5/1.6 ghZ
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All semi houses sell their parts in different speed bins, and a price premium is demanded for the high performance bins. So the OEM gets to decide what the performance range will be - constrained by the price target of their design. The fact that a 2.3Ghz Tegra3 speed bin exists does not mean that all parts have that capability.
In any event the "voltage table" you are looking for is published in the stock kernel source code.
The N7, priced @ $200 never was a premium product. A damn fine value for the money, though IMO.
Hard to believe in the planned obsolescence hypothesis (in this case), as it appears that Google is selling the N7 at a loss. Usually planned obsolescence occurs hand-in-hand with a profit motive.

bftb0 said:
All semi houses sell their parts in different speed bins, and a price premium is demanded for the high performance bins. So the OEM gets to decide what the performance range will be - constrained by the price target of their design. The fact that a 2.3Ghz Tegra3 speed bin exists does not mean that all parts have that capability.
In any event the "voltage table" you are looking for is published in the stock kernel source code.
The N7, priced @ $200 never was a premium product. A damn fine value for the money, though IMO.
Hard to believe in the planned obsolescence hypothesis (in this case), as it appears that Google is selling the N7 at a loss. Usually planned obsolescence occurs hand-in-hand with a profit motive.
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Back to the topic.... Could someone help me find the sourse code for tegra 3 so i know and others how to over volt to achieve certain clock speeDs

How about the performance of Exynos 5250?

Hi, guys. I am interested in N10,but I am very curious about performance of N10. I know Samsung use an dual core based at ARM15, but its screen has a high resolution 2560x1400. Is its dual core really capable of such a high resolution? How about the performance of multiple tasking? Any lag? My current cellphone is Galaxy Note 2 that has a quad core chip, but it is not as fast as what I thought until I flash 4.4.2 ROM. Tell me your experience of using N10. Your comment would really help me make a good decision. By the way, the main purpose is to internet bowersing and watch movies which store on portable HDD. Thanks
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I have been running the Nexus 10 since it came out. No complaints here. I watch allot of Youtube video, news and sports videos, etc. Even runs better when I tether it off my 4G. Been testing latest 4.4.3 Roms available here at XDA. Not much difference over 4.4.2, runs good with either.
Good luck.

The cpu doesnt primarily drive the screen so it handles the big resolution screen very well. With browsing and watching movies its just fast. This thing is a beast when it comes to gaming because it has a kick ass gpu..
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Alexsandra said:
Hi, guys. I am interested in N10,but I am very curious about performance of N10. I know Samsung use an dual core based at ARM15, but its screen has a high resolution 2560x1400. Is its dual core really capable of such a high resolution? How about the performance of multiple tasking? Any lag? My current cellphone is Galaxy Note 2 that has a quad core chip, but it is not as fast as what I thought until I flash 4.4.2 ROM. Tell me your experience of using N10. Your comment would really help me make a good decision. By the way, the main purpose is to internet bowersing and watch movies which store on portable HDD. Thanks
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I agree with the two posts above mine. I've had this tablet for a few months, and never once has it felt slow or sluggish with anything I've thrown at it. This ain't your typical dual core. It's on par with my Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 (2013).

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The cpu doesnt primarily drive the screen so it handles the big resolution screen very well. With browsing and watching movies its just fast. This thing is a beast when it comes to gaming because it has a kick ass gpu..
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Great!

Hi,
Not only what the guys said above, to power the screen resolution, the GPU has 1GB allocated to it since 4.3 if I'm not wrong. So it's quite capable, just be careful when using many apps, the RAM is limited to only 1GB due to it. Even though I'm able to play many games and watch full HD videos with ease and comfort .
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As usual, the correct answer would be: "It depends!"
The Nexus 10 is the best Samsung could do at the time it came out.
Somehow both Google and Samsung felt compelled at the time to deliver something that would beat Apple at least on paper.
Truth is, it's a somewhat unbalanced device by today's standards.
A typical competitor today would probably have a Qualcom Snapdragon 800 or better and you'd notice the difference!
Generally CPU performance is still quite ok: More than 2 cores rarely make sense and these ARM 15 cores tend to have enough oomph for the sort of things you'd run on a tablet CPU. And the Exynos seems to be a close match to the Snapdragon, core by core.
So there, for all practical purposes, it won't feel much slower than a modern devices.
But the GPU can't quite deal with the resolution and even if it could, DRAM bandwidth would be the next barrier. So when you look for 3D game performance, the Nexus 10 can't quite keep up with what is out there these days.
Depending on your benchmark it may feel like a dog, but good games tailer themselves to what's available and even some 3D ones are actually ok.
Mine's most used for reading books, surfing, perhaps even some video, I'm also doing some writing (with BT keyboard/mouse) on it and that's all more than ok, especially when you want to flip forth and back between lots of web-sites and programs.
I'd say when you can get the Nexus 10 for cheap it's still pretty good, when you're ready to pay prime dollar, you'll find better even from Samsung.

abufrejoval said:
As usual, the correct answer would be: "It depends!"
The Nexus 10 is the best Samsung could do at the time it came out.
Somehow both Google and Samsung felt compelled at the time to deliver something that would beat Apple at least on paper.
Truth is, it's a somewhat unbalanced device by today's standards.
A typical competitor today would probably have a Qualcom Snapdragon 800 or better and you'd notice the difference!
Generally CPU performance is still quite ok: More than 2 cores rarely make sense and these ARM 15 cores tend to have enough oomph for the sort of things you'd run on a tablet CPU. And the Exynos seems to be a close match to the Snapdragon, core by core.
So there, for all practical purposes, it won't feel much slower than a modern devices.
But the GPU can't quite deal with the resolution and even if it could, DRAM bandwidth would be the next barrier. So when you look for 3D game performance, the Nexus 10 can't quite keep up with what is out there these days.
Depending on your benchmark it may feel like a dog, but good games tailer themselves to what's available and even some 3D ones are actually ok.
Mine's most used for reading books, surfing, perhaps even some video, I'm also doing some writing (with BT keyboard/mouse) on it and that's all more than ok, especially when you want to flip forth and back between lots of web-sites and programs.
I'd say when you can get the Nexus 10 for cheap it's still pretty good, when you're ready to pay prime dollar, you'll find better even from Samsung.
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I'd say this is a pretty fair assessment. GPU struggles with some modern apps such as Google maps, and even now Chrome isn't the best. I still use browser because its much smoother, and I also use the 'performance' CPU governor which locks the tablet to 1.7ghz and really helps responsiveness.
That being said, its still a really really nice tablet generally. If you're getting it for a good price you should be happy enough. I still love using mine nearly 2 years after buying it, and I'm comparing it to my snap 800 powered XZU. Its still a really nice screen, really nice design. Quick enough and battery life is not too bad these days either! (6 hours SOT easy with brightness at 35℅)