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Intel or AMD, who would you want more in your phone

With all the talk of Intel breaking into the smartphone market
I ask, between AMD and Intel who would you want in your phone our tablet and why?
My answer its AMD, their apu's I find to be very impressive vs the atom or laptop core I series. Id love to have a Radeon HD 6400 series gpu to play my Android games on =)
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Amd the apu is great i hope the put it in tablets an does android support those kinds of cpu's
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Jasonhunterx said:
Amd the apu is great i hope the put it in tablets an does android support those kinds of cpu's
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Its going to yes =) and unofficially does already
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Hands down amd. Basicly intel makes a hell of a cpu but graphics not so much. Amd is not to far behind intel. But imho they make the best graphic cards and have the best technology in the gpu. So if they decided to make tablet and phones cpu and gpu i think they will have be very good and being that its phone and tablet maybe some of there gpu tech can be used in the cpu since the cpu for phones and tablets work a bit different than a desktop cpu or laptop cpu for that matter. Sorry for the caps im at work i have to use caps all day

AMD is the best, all day, everyday

i'll stick with Samsung CPUs
they are the best right now in the phone market

AllGamer said:
i'll stick with Samsung CPUs
they are the best right now in the phone market
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I agree, buy if these guys got in the game is the question =)
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hotadef said:
Hands down amd. Basicly intel makes a hell of a cpu but graphics not so much. Amd is not to far behind intel. But imho they make the best graphic cards and have the best technology in the gpu. So if they decided to make tablet and phones cpu and gpu i think they will have be very good and being that its phone and tablet maybe some of there gpu tech can be used in the cpu since the cpu for phones and tablets work a bit different than a desktop cpu or laptop cpu for that matter. Sorry for the caps im at work i have to use caps all day
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I agree there, but with AMD llano and later bulldozer based APU, any processor gap between Intel and AMD will be gone. These two companies entering the mobile arena will make competition skyrocket, and that only means good things for us consumers =) they would push the drive for faster graphics and processors even quicker than it already its moving
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Nvidia. Thanks.

Lmao Nvidia sucks google made a mistake using nvidia for honeycomb exynos an omap smokes tegra
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Samsung, Nvidia, Intel, then AMD
Remember people you get what you pay for and AMD is CHEAP, and no I'm not impressed with their GPUs either

AMD is not cheap. They have graphics processors at all price points offering more bang for buck than the equivalent Nvidia offering.

Amd is cheap, well slower than intel

also keep in mind that AMD is bringing around their first major Arch revision since 2004, and also keep in mind that for a while AMD smoked intel with Athlon and Athlon XP aswell as with Athlon64, intel didnt regain lead till the core series. AMD GPU on the other hand are consistently offering more for your Dollar than NVIDIA, I have a Radeon HD4870 1gb and can still max out ALL my games short of DX11 specific features (tesselation, etc.) Intel processors since the beginning of the core series have been great, but their GPU leave alot to be desired. Until I can play Borderlands on an intel APU with a better framerate than an AMD APU I'm gonna go with AMD. If you can really name a single desktop application or game where there is a big enough difference between AMD and Intel (desktop as in common user applications) then you will get my kudos. Also your going to want to be looking into AMD and Intels new archs like bulldozer and ivy bridge. Bulldozer will be out in just over a week and we'll see what AMD has up there sleeve with their first major arch change in forever =] (and now that they will have all the instruction sets intel has also =D)
EDIT: and by difference I mean more than 10-15sec or more than 10-15FPS

I'd like to see a Cyrix chip in my next phone please...

intel.
anyone ran an ati/amd gpu on linux? yeah... as bad as or worse than samsung on driver support.
ECOTOX said:
AMD GPU on the other hand are consistently offering more for your Dollar than NVIDIA, I have a Radeon HD4870 1gb and can still max out ALL my games short of DX11 specific features (tesselation, etc.)
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really? my 5770 couldn't even consistently pull 30fps in css (which is, what, 7 years old now?) on high settings. and when i added a second 5770 in crossfire and play css i'm guaranteed a bsod within a minute (which is funny cause i hadn't seen a bsod for years before getting an ati card).

funeralthirst said:
intel.
anyone ran an ati/amd gpu on linux? yeah... as bad as or worse than samsung on driver support.
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I do actually =P havent had any problems, and actually had more problems getting my friends Nvidia working in linux =/ My build runs great and I can OC to 3.5ghz on my phenom II 920 2.8ghz(i got one when they first came out =D, and could go higher if i didnt skimp out on the MB and only spend 90$ on one =3)
PS, this isnt a desktop/laptop question, think of TABs / Phones when making an answer =]

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I do actually =P havent had any problems, and actually had more problems getting my friends Nvidia working in linux =/ My build runs great and I can OC to 3.5ghz on my phenom II 920 2.8ghz(i got one when they first came out =D, and could go higher if i didnt skimp out on the MB and only spend 90$ on one =3)
PS, this isnt a desktop/laptop question, think of TABs / Phones when making an answer =]
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consider yourself lucky. i've never, ever had a problem with nvidia in linux. with ati, i tried fedora, opensuse, mandriva, and ubuntu. ubuntu would work in 9.10 but only the stock kernel (from the live cd), any kernel update would kill everything. finally i was able to get 10.10 installed, and 11.04 hasn't given me any problems. but i still can't run any other distro.
and sure, this isn't about desktops or laptops, but android is linux and if their driver support sucks in linux, i expect it to suck in android as well.

Ati/Amd gpu's are the best point blank nothing to it there should be no argument :-/
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funeralthirst said:
intel.
anyone ran an ati/amd gpu on linux? yeah... as bad as or worse than samsung on driver support.
really? my 5770 couldn't even consistently pull 30fps in css (which is, what, 7 years old now?) on high settings. and when i added a second 5770 in crossfire and play css i'm guaranteed a bsod within a minute (which is funny cause i hadn't seen a bsod for years before getting an ati card).
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consider yourself lucky. i've never ever had a problem with nvidia in linux. with ati, i tried fedora, opensuse, mandriva, and ubuntu. ubuntu would work in 9.10 but only the stock kernel (from the live cd), any kernel update would kill everything. finally i was able to get 10.10 installed, and 11.04 hasn't given me any problems. but i still can't run any other distro.
and sure, this isn't about desktops or laptops, but android is linux and if their driver support sucks in linux, i expect it to suck in android as well.
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yeah but dont you think if they did enter that market they would provide the needed support for the android based devices? I havent had any problems for years with AMD GPUs and linux, and Every driver update I just install and go no matter kernel or distro I have used (I mostly use Ubuntu though). I guess it really is based on experience =P I see it this way though, as of right now you can max out Left4Dead 2 on an AMD APU, you get maybe 13fps on an Intel. The laptop market is where we can best compare, and Idk about you but if I'm getting a Tab or phone I'm not looking for something to crunch data (which we all know intel does better), I want a rich and smooth UI, games that look amazing, and light weight and low power consumption (IMO both companies are doing ALOT better with TDP but still have a ways to go)

[Rumor]Samsung Galaxy S III is powered by Exynos 4412 Quad-core at 1.5Ghz

I just got a Galaxy S II and now Samsung is gearing up for the Galaxy III powered by Exynos 4412 @ 1.5Ghz.
Sources:
http://pinoydroid.net/samsung-galaxy-iii-quadcore-smartphone-samsung-exynox-4412
http://androidandme.com/2011/11/new...-exynos-4412-could-power-samsung-galaxy-s-iii
http://www.devicemag.com/2011/11/22...e-powered-by-quad-core-exynos-4412-processor/

Come at me bro

That would be very nice. A little sad I couldn't upgrade to the GS II but I think I can shell out for a new phone next year and a quad core Galaxy S would fit the bill.
I kinda want a galaxy Nexus, I missed out on the N1 so I do want a pure google device but samsung just gets it so right. Can't wait to see what they do with ICS.
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wtf do we need a quad core phone for when very little use dual core. Now quad core on a tablet i can somewhat understand

Gonna stick with the SGS2, unless of course the SGS3 has improved everything in which case I'll get it on launch day..

Seems pointless to me.... quad core will b battery hungry and bare use both cores on gs2 lol. Meeeeh
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Overkill...

I this going to be the future of Android, constant hardware updates that totally outdo the previous model in a matter of months, its already a fragmented nightmare, coders cant cope with dual core, let along quad, to be honest I am getting fed up with the constant changing and new models all the time, getting ridiculous

na its for tablets. a dual A15 with A7 more likely.

THUDUK said:
I this going to be the future of Android, constant hardware updates that totally outdo the previous model in a matter of months, its already a fragmented nightmare, coders cant cope with dual core, let along quad, to be honest I am getting fed up with the constant changing and new models all the time, getting ridiculous
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Then don't upgrade! you forget the other millions who didnt update this year and will be looking at 2012 for the latest and greatest. Where is the sense in wanting an Apple like crawl in progression. Android gives companies like Samsung the freedom to concentrate on the hardware. It can only be a good thing for the consumer. What I take from your post is "WWAaaAaa my fones not the bestest anymore!!11!!"

androidkid311 said:
Seems pointless to me.... quad core will b battery hungry and bare use both cores on gs2 lol. Meeeeh
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While I do agree that it is somewhat pointless at this point in time, it's a common misconception that newer CPUs = more power usage. By that logic, a Core i7 will consume more power than the Core 2 Quad, which it does not.
CPU manufacturers control power consumption in a number of ways. The most common is a die shrink, manufacturing the CPU at a smaller level. The Exynos is a 45nm chip, and the next generation is supposed to be 28nm. Thus, we can expect power consumption to stay the same, or even decrease.
The other way is through the use of core gating. The OS simply shuts off the cores that are not in use, and wakes them up when they are needed.
Hopefully this helps to clear up some of the misunderstandings regarding CPUs and power consumption.

quad core has already been stated to be more battery friendly and the tegra3 chips is very clever only using more cores when needed and even having a stealth 5th core for mega low idle speeds
obvously the exynos is not a tegra3 but i am sure samsung will do some clever stuff too
quad core will be awesome , i am happy with my dual core sgs2 so wont upgrade for a while ive also bought extras etc so its not worth upgrading for me , however that doesnt stop quad core from being gooooooooooood
have you seen the gfx power it will bring , the extra camera capabillities it allows the manufactuers to use , the speed that the browser will work , how smooth the ui transisitions and scrolling will be even when multi tasking , it also brings support for up to 2gb of ram which alone is great stuff everyone knows the only thing better then ram is more ram
i think if we want our mobile to be proper mobile computers connected to bluetooth keyboards and usb hardrives then linked up to hdmi or dlna while doing back ground tasks , followed by some high end intensive 3d gaming with a bluetooth pad over hdmi while still doing background tasks , encoding high quality media on the fly and editing it without having to wait an age for it to finalise then qua core is a great thing as is the way that tech is moving so fast
the only problem i can see is fragmentation as things move so quick
its got to make it hard for devs etc which in the long turn could damage the platform a bit , however i am sure it will come to the point it will smooth out and tech wont accelerate so fast , maybe? lol
nvidia have a road map and it shows that they will be releasing a new cpu/gpu combo each year for at least the next 3-4 years before they think we will be at mobile maximum potenial , so get ready for this tradition to carry on for a while yet

Sadly I think this fragmentation might become a very big problem in the future, and is one area where Apple is unfortunately right.
Look at PC Gaming. A lot of people buy PCs not knowing exactly what the PC they bought at capable of. When it fails to run Battlefield 3 at an acceptable framerate they are not going to be happy.
For us techies, it's easy to know that you need at least a GTX 560Ti or something, but for Joe Sixpack out there they obviously don't know these things.
I think perhaps Google should enforce some sort of system requirement rating system. Give it a number scale to make it simple. So maybe the SGS2 scores 9/10, and Contract Killer requires a phone with at least 7 to run smoothly. So Joe Sixpack who bought a Galaxy 3 GT-i5800 that scores a 3 doesn't get all pissed off.
Hope I'm making sense here.

Nah fragmentation will be fine. Pc is still the choice for gamers over Apple mac, not including consoles. Transfer that to mobile phones, and as long as the android mobiles become popular enough, games will be great for them. Everyone will just know they have to have a good mobile just like their pc.

I read somewhere it would feature the AMD's new 8 core bulldozer CPU with nVidias GTX 590 in SLI.
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i dont really understand people complaining about fragmentation. Android isnt a phone, it isnt a manufacturer, its an operating system. Do people complain the laptop market is fragmented because some computers are on xp, vista or 7? Some are on faster processors than others? Did people ever complain that symbian updated on some phones but not others?
I just dont get it, Id rather new phones/tech come out than only one release every 18 months.

Who cares? My upgrade isn't due until 2013... When I will get the top of the line handset again. I'm sure that model will be usurped within 4-6 months too.
Maybe we should all keep our phones in their original packaging like toy collectors, so they can't contribute to the disastrous fragmentation issue.
The actual effect of this media-inspired phenomena on consumers is negligible.

LOL sorry - had to point out the galaxy s III still has an 8mp camera. =p
Almost sounded like the Samsung Nexus with the 5mp camera... ahaha.
Just kidding. The phone should be solid. =)

Samsung g3 will be have 1.8 ghz processor not 1.5 ghz and will be dual core
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Pc is still the choice for gamers over Apple mac, not including consoles
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Android phones vs iPhone is basically like PC vs console since PC has a billion different hardware and software configs where as a console as 1 (There are a few iPhones but you generally only support the latest 2-3 versions).

will Samsung galaxy S IV have 8 core phones next year?

so the pattern is doubling the number of cores every generations then the next generation should have 8core processor?

I highly doubt it...
Probably a hex core.
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I just noticed this in Tapatalk new posts, and just HAD to answer.
What's the point?
Name one situation where you would even need that.
Samsung needs to work on improving other practical features.
They've always upgraded what makes people fall for their phones, but never anything actually useful.
Years ago, their phone cameras went up in megapixels, but sucked no matter how much megapixels they had. Because megapixels aren't as important as is other more technical camera features. But megapixels are easiest to advertise so they went with those.
Personally I think a single core was enough. Now, phone companies need to work on RAM. They could stuff a lot more RAM in before they need to upgrade the processor.
/myopinion
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No, we will get more quad graphics
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Doubt it. these apps doesnt even require 8 cores. if any of these phone users require 8 core just to play games, either get a console or a decent pc.
8 core to play Angry birds or Shadowgun...pffftt...
will 8 core make me type faster?

Just Faster Speeds
tbh, I think faster speeds are really the only shift we'll be seeing at least next year for sure, but probably the year after that as well. Although with Windows 8 on ARM on the horizon, perhaps devs may find a way to do some serious mobile computing.

i don't think that 8 core will be useful for a device of 5" or 6"

They will stay at quad core but use the faster A15 architecture.
It's possible they might add some low powered A7 cores in a big.little configuration to improve battery life.
It will also have a next gen Mali gpu. Either Mali 604 or t658.
I'm also expecting it to have 2gb of ram.
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Why would you even care...
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vnvman said:
Why would you even care...
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lol coming from a WP user
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I'm not entirely convinced multi-cored phones of any variety are even really getting fully utilized yet :/
I honestly believe cores are more of a marketing gimmick at the moment. I could be wrong, I'm no expert and I don't have the ability to see how well android handles the fine details.. But, there are a lot of factors most people don't even think about when buying phones.. Manufacturers know you're not going to ask "Well what about this 1.5ghz single core processor preforming 4 instructions per clock compared to this dual core phone performing 1.5 instructions per clock?"
Maybe when I go to upgrade my captivate I'll worry about cores more but, at the moment I wouldn't be surprised if dual cores were preforming better than quad cores since they have been out longer and had more time to get optimized in the code.

Dual core phones are already fast enough but seems like phones will start competing with pc in the next few years.
Imo RAM n battery life need to be increased greatly then manufactures should start thinking about future multiple core cpu.
Imagine a hex core cpu n the juice it needs

Yes, RAM!
ya, I definitely think RAM has a place because that's one of the best things about smartphones is the ability to multi-task! So if manufacturers can further cater to that, then I think more cores may follow, especially if we get more TRUE multi-tasking where you have live apps running. Because then, you can delegate individual cores to individual apps that are running. ATM I'm not entirely sure why I would need multiple live apps running simultaneously on a phone, however I think for business workers/students it could be helpful to be watching a live stream or doing a conference call while taking notes in an office suite app.

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lol coming from a WP user
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LOL coming from somebody using even lesser hardware than mine. Pull out the wallet and get sum 6 core goodness you cheapo. You even fail at trolling, come on you can do better than this.
On a more serious note, even Win7 has issues handling more than 6 cores efficiently, so why would anyone even bother having 8 effing cores on a phone. A full desktop experience would be useless anyway on something like a phone, only no life nerds should get all excited about something like that. I wonder why people can't just enjoy the current technology, looking so far just means that one hasn't really got **** to do all day IMHO.
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Snow_fox said:
I'm not entirely convinced multi-cored phones of any variety are even really getting fully utilized yet :/
I honestly believe cores are more of a marketing gimmick at the moment. I could be wrong, I'm no expert and I don't have the ability to see how well android handles the fine details.. But, there are a lot of factors most people don't even think about when buying phones.. Manufacturers know you're not going to ask "Well what about this 1.5ghz single core processor preforming 4 instructions per clock compared to this dual core phone performing 1.5 instructions per clock?"
Maybe when I go to upgrade my captivate I'll worry about cores more but, at the moment I wouldn't be surprised if dual cores were preforming better than quad cores since they have been out longer and had more time to get optimized in the code.
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This. One needs to wonder why would a decent mobile OS need this much power anyway?
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LOL coming from somebody using even lesser hardware than mine. Pull out the wallet and get sum 6 core goodness you cheapo. You even fail at trolling, come on you can do better than this.
On a more serious note, even Win7 has issues handling more than 6 cores efficiently, so why would anyone even bother having 8 effing cores on a phone. A full desktop experience would be useless anyway on something like a phone, only no life nerds should get all excited about something like that. I wonder why people can't just enjoy the current technology, looking so far just means that one hasn't really got **** to do all day IMHO.
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I use even lesser lesser lesser, and lesser hardware
Instead of wasting money (which I don't have) on a newer phone, I work on optimizing Android to run at its best on my phone. Look at the Sony PSP. The XMB is amazing for a 333mhz processor. (And its actually clocked at 222mhz at the XMB). Now, were not talking about the browser here, that sucks. Sony spent time on the OS itself. They won't get thanked for it by the people who look at the features list on the box, but they engineered a wonderful OS for such a weak device.
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the s4 will be dualcore 2.3ghz the s5 will probably be some insane cpu and graphics chip capable of running mw3 im 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% sure they will be more powerful than a xbox 360

Battery and ram def need to be upped. I also think phone manuf should provide a extended battery option with every high powered phone. I would also like to see a slow down on e amount of phones coming out. Perfect your flagship mid and lower powered phones then move on
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I hope they will stop messing with cores and screen sizes and let's focus on batteries and RAM.
Most apps and software don't even use two cores, let alone four, forbid more than that.

frankdrey said:
I use even lesser lesser lesser, and lesser hardware
Instead of wasting money (which I don't have) on a newer phone, I work on optimizing Android to run at its best on my phone. Look at the Sony PSP. The XMB is amazing for a 333mhz processor. (And its actually clocked at 222mhz at the XMB). Now, were not talking about the browser here, that sucks. Sony spent time on the OS itself. They won't get thanked for it by the people who look at the features list on the box, but they engineered a wonderful OS for such a weak device.
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Hehe, I know what you mean...a year ago I had a Desire, and it was amazing to see how greatly the software could work after some tweaking, compared to stock. Sure it was kinda challenging, but it really felt like it was worth it: that phone was a living thing to me, I could hear it breathing. I swear I almost cried when I sold it, and I actually immediately regretted doing it, but it was too late. It was like leaving a dog on the side of the road or something like that, but at that time I was all excited about the fresh dual core thing, so I couldn't think rationally. There are days when I still feel very guilty about what I did. I'll never do that again. Guys seriously, if you have an old Android device with you don't sell it, you will regret it. Maybe not now, and not even in a few months, but you definitely will, trust me, especially if you've been living with it for a while (I had that phone for over a year).
Selling the GS2 didn't actually make me feel that way, probably because I've only kept it for a few months and didn't really tweak it that much...

8 cores is long way to go.
no way 8 core phone in next 3 years!
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I hope they will stop messing with cores and screen sizes and let's focus on batteries and RAM.
Most apps and software don't even use two cores, let alone four, forbid more than that.
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Thats ri8 More RAM and Longer Battery life is way to go.
They already have superb camera and beautiful display

Could any play Full Minecraft?

I own 2 mk808b sticks and love them. At home my son plays a lot of Minecraft and I was wondering if any sticks could handle Minecraft? Not the watered down versions. The full one.
It's a low powered game which runs on old PC's.
I'm guessing if I got Ubuntu on it it would?
My goal is to cut down on power consumption and noise. These babies could be the key.
I'm fine with paying top price if needed. I just don't want my son complaining if it's too slow or won't do something.
Thanks in advance
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Walgeon said:
I own 2 mk808b sticks and love them. At home my son plays a lot of Minecraft and I was wondering if any sticks could handle Minecraft? Not the watered down versions. The full one.
It's a low powered game which runs on old PC's.
I'm guessing if I got Ubuntu on it it would?
My goal is to cut down on power consumption and noise. These babies could be the key.
I'm fine with paying top price if needed. I just don't want my son complaining if it's too slow or won't do something.
Thanks in advance
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I have no idea if this is the same as the PC version but you could try the app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mojang.minecraftpe

No. It's a watered down version. I thought the same and got a earful for it. It's meant to be a very basic version.
I think a better question would be:
What is the most powerful mini PC that can run Ubuntu. One with a good graphics chip.
Does the mk808b have Ubuntu?
Also, by Ubuntu I'm talking any version. Maybe any version of Linux.
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Walgeon said:
I own 2 mk808b sticks and love them. At home my son plays a lot of Minecraft and I was wondering if any sticks could handle Minecraft? Not the watered down versions. The full one.
It's a low powered game which runs on old PC's.
I'm guessing if I got Ubuntu on it it would?
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minecraft is written in java so it -should- be mostly platform indifferent.
offcourse you'll need a full java installation (thus some linux flavor), dalvik wont run it.

NixZero said:
minecraft is written in java so it -should- be mostly platform indifferent.
offcourse you'll need a full java installation (thus some linux flavor), dalvik wont run it.
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Yes. I already run my sons using a old PC using gentoo. Being java helps greatly. It's a shame Android can't run Java like a PC can. Maybe one day.
Any advice on a stick? I'm willing to pay up to £200 for one. I'd rather pay less but I think 200 is enough for one of these.
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Walgeon said:
Any advice on a stick? I'm willing to pay up to £200 for one. I'd rather pay less but I think 200 is enough for one of these.
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You want a GK802. Should be 60-70 USD.
This is based on the i.MX6 quad core chipset and enjoys full hardware accelerated graphics under Linux.
To my knowledge, Linux will run on the more common Rockchip powered devices but without hardware acceleration.

Thank you Ozzy. I was thinking about the t428 but now you're making me wonder. Thank you so much for this info.
Do you think it will work ok?
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Walgeon said:
Thank you Ozzy. I was thinking about the t428 but now you're making me wonder. Thank you so much for this info.
Do you think it will work ok?
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Here's a comparison between the different GPU's.
It seems that the Mali 400 GPU is faster then the GPU used in the GK802.
Most sticks use a Rockchip rk3188 with the mali GPU which should be faster based on these results.

PowerPlop said:
Here's a comparison between the different GPU's.
It seems that the Mali 400 GPU is faster then the GPU used in the GK802.
Most sticks use a Rockchip rk3188 with the mali GPU which should be faster based on these results.
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as android gpu goes mali 400 is pretty slow but vivante is just the worst of the worst.
a passable compromise could be allwinner a31, it should have good linux support and good speeds - sgx544 mp2 gpu which is a lot faster than mali 400, cpu is cortex A7 based, sligtly slower than the one used in rk3188 but still pretty fast.
You'll find it in some MeLE products mostly.

SoC driver support is more important than raw power when your talking about running Linux distributions on ARM.
Not much good having the bees knees of mobile GPU with no way of using it.
As usual, but the limitation here is licencing. Until a manufacturer takes Linux support seriously and provides the necessary source for the community to develop with, there will continue to be limited options.

Thanks again Ozzy. So the issue is the manufacturers? What would the reason be for them not taking it seriously? I don't see why they would not want this.
I know it's off subject a bit. I just don't see why they would not want these sticks to have a extra selling point.
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Walgeon said:
Thanks again Ozzy. So the issue is the manufacturers? What would the reason be for them not taking it seriously? I don't see why they would not want this.
I know it's off subject a bit. I just don't see why they would not want these sticks to have a extra selling point.
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generally the problem is that these small firms dont own the licenses to distribute the source code - buying a production license is cheap(ish), buying a source rerelease one its not

NixZero said:
generally the problem is that these small firms dont own the licenses to distribute the source code - buying a production license is cheap(ish), buying a source rerelease one its not
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I never knew this. That does make sense. It is very annoying though.
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ozzy lion said:
SoC driver support is more important than raw power when your talking about running Linux distributions on ARM.
Not much good having the bees knees of mobile GPU with no way of using it.
As usual, but the limitation here is licencing. Until a manufacturer takes Linux support seriously and provides the necessary source for the community to develop with, there will continue to be limited options.
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Hi all. I never ended up buying a stick as I was just couldn't make my mind up. Has anything changed with the licencing? Just wondering if any of the sticks have better Linux support now?
I have tested this on a BeagleBone Black (Raspberry Pi type device) and got quite good tests. It was mostly unplayable for a game but it showed me that it could be done. the beagle isnt a Android stick though... But it is completely open. My reason for testing was to see if I could do it. I used Debian and Angstrom to test.
Also, have any new sticks come on the market since my first post?

Walgeon said:
I own 2 mk808b sticks and love them. At home my son plays a lot of Minecraft and I was wondering if any sticks could handle Minecraft? Not the watered down versions. The full one.
It's a low powered game which runs on old PC's.
I'm guessing if I got Ubuntu on it it would?
My goal is to cut down on power consumption and noise. These babies could be the key.
I'm fine with paying top price if needed. I just don't want my son complaining if it's too slow or won't do something.
Thanks in advance
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As a POC I installed Minecraft on an A350-SSD MiniPC/Android stick computer (see https://plus.google.com/109451178006683865932/posts/gVWtfi6Sbex) so it is possible if you want to try it yourself.

[Q] IPhone 4 vs LG L7

Yesterday I bought Iphone 4, difference is very very big
I don't know how but
Iphone is from 2010. have 512mb of ram. 1Ghz A9 processor.
Our L7 is from 2012. Have 512mb too, and 1Ghz A5 processor.
Iphone is very very smooth,fast I run a lot of apps and there is no lags.
What is that why our L7 lag sometimes, and not responding???
Need someone who know
I know that Apple have too expensive chipset and better quality. But how???
I will be very gratefull if some people view this thread.
@ALEX.IMER He did everything for our devices
@skyinfo because he know everything about kernels, and maybe he knows how to reslove this. @Plamb1r he make scripts without problems :3
@Asce1062
@-CALIBAN666-
@F4uzan
Sorry if I forgot someone.

Paget96 said:
Yesterday I bought Iphone 4, difference is very very big
I don't know how but
Iphone is from 2010. have 512mb of ram. 1Ghz A9 processor.
Our L7 is from 2012. Have 512mb too, and 1Ghz A5 processor.
Iphone is very very smooth,fast I run a lot of apps and there is no lags.
What is that why our L7 lag sometimes, and not responding???
Need someone who know
I know that Apple have too expensive chipset and better quality. But how???
I will be very gratefull if some people view this thread.
@ALEX.IMER He did everything for our devices
@skyinfo because he know everything about kernels, and maybe he knows how to reslove this. @Plamb1r he make scripts without problems :3
@Asce1062
@-CALIBAN666-
@F4uzan
Sorry if I forgot someone.
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a different OS closed to some device will be more optimized and screen/colors can give a different aspect to your eyes
Cortex A9 is more powerful than a Cortex A5.
According to ARM , CPU's in ascending order with regard to computation power are :
Cortex Family : A5,A7,A9,A15

I think its because of the runtime and the way thay ios manage the ram with apps, idk im just supposing
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4Freedom said:
a different OS closed to some device will be more optimized and screen/colors can give a different aspect to your eyes
Cortex A9 is more powerful than a Cortex A5.
According to ARM , CPU's in ascending order with regard to computation power are :
Cortex Family : A5,A7,A9,A15
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Neperpika said:
I think its because of the runtime and the way thay ios manage the ram with apps, idk im just supposing
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Idk I think iOS is lightweigh works pretty fast.
I want L7 to work good. Android is much better than iOS, i don't like it.

Paget96 said:
Idk I think iOS is lightweigh works pretty fast.
I want L7 to work good. Android is much better than iOS, i don't like it.
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They are two different systems each one has its advantages and disadvantages
Remember that android apps run over a "virtual" machine java based than iOS apps are directly executed.
Different performance has always been noticed throught benchmark test, but android must be shared to thousand of different devices a single virtual machine rappresent the easier way.
Android is a bit improved with ART runtime...
This is the main difference explained in few lines

@4Freedom has explained better than me
Any way, you know Apple. iPhone 4 is a top end phone whereas L5 is low/mid end..
And we all know apple provides top quality stuff!
And I think iOS is more optimized than android! That explains the smoothness..
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So... another iOS vs Android, huh ?
Let me explain this clearly
1.) iOS programs are launched via a sandbox, but not via 'emulator' like Android . Which is an exact point why does iOS is faster at app executing BUT not at multi tasking.
2.) iOS is well optimized for one type of phone ; iPhone. But, Android is mainly universal so it's clearly explained that Android isn't optimized for ALL of its device.
That's all I know

F4uzan said:
So... another iOS vs Android, huh ?
Let me explain this clearly
1.) iOS programs are launched via a sandbox, but not via 'emulator' like Android . Which is an exact point why does iOS is faster at app executing BUT not at multi tasking.
2.) iOS is well optimized for one type of phone ; iPhone. But, Android is mainly universal so it's clearly explained that Android isn't optimized for ALL of its device.
That's all I know
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Hello my friend I don't see you for a long time thanks for reply. I understand there is 8 versions of Iphone 3G,3GS,4,4S,5,5S,6 and 6+ and other idk and there is a milion of phones which run android. I understand
Thanks for reply.