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Sim EMU

Did a search for SD cards and it came up with a SIM EMU post on this site. So going off topic, whats SIM EMU, what can it do for me, where can i get it (tried the link, that didn't work, tried a search and most of the sites aren'ti n english)
Seems like you can put more than one number on a card and switch without having to turn the phone off. Any further input, sounds like it could be good.

Will not work in UK, I found to my cost after destroying 2 sim cards. There is another twin sim holder that works with xda2 though, you just switch off and on when you wish to change sims.

Simemu is indeed a very good way to have up to eight numbers/accounts on one sim card. You select which one to use by pin number, so no more swapping cards over. It works fine in the XDA and just about any other unlocked phone.
The hard part is getting the needed info out of your original sim card. This is called the "Ki" and needs to be extracted. In the UK this has only been possible with all Orange and some O2 cards, never with Vodafone.
In the last year or so, some sims have appeared with a limit on the number of cycles they will run before self destructing, so attempting to extract the Ki can harm the card.
So it all depends on what networks you want to use and how old your sims are.

So can this be done with orange UK sims? My sims are about 4 years old, i have one thats much older, but i cancelled the contract on that so presumably disabled. Also have a couple of active PAYG sims.
I'd be interested to merge the new contract i have with an old number on the same card, would be useful.
I'm currently using everyphone divert, but it diverts all the time, even when my new [hone is off and old one is on. Annoying.
Other pain is it doesn't divert SMS, so i quite often miss them.

Yes, UK Orange cards of this age should be easy to extract the Ki from, payg or contract.
Also if you manage to get the Ki from the de-activated card, you should be able to get Orange to turn it back on as a payg or something.
Remember that only one number can be active at any one time, and you must never have the original sim turned on in another phone while using the copy of it in the multi sim.

Thanks for your replys kerr.
Have you done this yourself? Do you have any links of where i can find out information on how to effeectively try it and get it done?
All i'm looking for is that i have a sim with a great number. Its on orange no monthly tariff (i just pay for calls and just get a bill when i use it) Thats great for me as i hardly use it.
Then i got a new phone on contract (as it was way cheaper than upgrade). I've set up an everyphone divert from my old number to this one, but that annoys me as even with new one off and old one on, it still diverts. Shame.
So if i could get both numbers on the same sim that would be great, in principal! I get my number that i like, and i can quickly swith to new number to make calls (as its got free minutes). After the year contract is up i'll dump the new number anyway.
Whay can't you have the original sim on if its cloned?
Cheers

If you have the original sim switched on at the same time as the clone the system will know about it and you will probaly end up with a zapped sim courtesy of your provider.

there has to be a way around that :wink:

Have you done this yourself?
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Yes, I made a card about 2 1/2 years ago which contains:-
1X O2 Anytime account
1X O2 Offpeak account
1X Genie PAYT
3X Orange PAYT with different off peak times chosen
1X Spanish PAYT
1X Greek PAYT
It has worked fine in every phone I have tried it in.
Whay can't you have the original sim on if its cloned?
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You must not have them both on at the same time because they will both log onto the network and appear to be some kind of fraud attempt. (Somone else trying to use your account)
You really need to programme the card yourself rather than get it done because the last thing you would want is anyone else knowing your Ki.
To do this you would need a phoenix, a pic programmer and a blank silver card. All the software is free.

That sounds like one action packed card!
It would be useful just to have a couple of numbers on there, but you seem to be making the most of it!
Where can the exquipment be bought, borrowed? Is it readily available and cheap?
I see what you mean about someone else having the details. Could be a bit dodgy.
So this method is a bit like having a double sim car thing, but instead of having to turn the machine on and off, you can just put in a pin number.
With the XDA II tho, would the double sim card thing work if you turned flight mode off then on, would that switch the sims? Where can a double sim holder be got from

If you know anyone who is into Satellite Television, they will almost certainly have everything you need to do the job.
If you need to buy take a look at www.interesting-devices.com or www.maxking.co.uk. You could also look in the sat section on ebay.
If you go for a multi programmer like a Mastera, it would be all that is needed in one. See www.mcsat.co.uk.
When you change between numbers the phone does a soft reset, so I imagine flight mode on/off would have the same effect on a twin sim.

Using Supersim
Hello,
i read somewere that's impossible with new sim to read the Ki code of the sim because this code is read-protected.
Tring to read this you can destroy the sim.
It's correct?
I have an italian sim by vodafone!
Thanks for the reply.
Davide

Yes, that's right. Most of the newest SIM cards has a newer algorithm, so u cannot clone it. I don't know about your SIM card, maybe you have an old one. However, if U have 250 entry names in your phonebook, than it's probably new one and it could not be read, but do not be afraid to destroy it..., that will happen if U'l try to read it a few hours again and again....hope this helps!
Regards!
P.S.:
All backUp function support A3A8 COMP128V1 SIM Card only.
This SIM Card Back-UP device doesn't support newest SIM Card that uses COMP128V2 algorythm to code KI key.
Some GSM SIM Cards from 2001 (COMP128V1) are Scan-Limited. It has limited running scan 65536 times. If the scan is over 65536, the SIM Card will be locked. This SIM Card will not work any more.

All backUp function support A3A8 COMP128V1 SIM Card only.
This SIM Card Back-UP device doesn't support newest SIM Card that uses COMP128V2 algorythm to code KI key.
Some GSM SIM Cards from 2001 (COMP128V1) are Scan-Limited. It has limited running scan 65536 times. If the scan is over 65536, the SIM Card will be locked. This SIM Card will not work any more.
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Hello,
i read somewere that's impossible with new sim to read the Ki code of the sim because this code is read-protected.
Tring to read this you can destroy the sim.
It's correct?
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Ki is stored in SIM card like CHV in respective file, but in Ki file's header all permission bytes are FF, e. g. it is impossible to read/write etc. with this file from external. From internal (COS) it is possible to read... the SIM do this when it calculate SRES+Kc

Will a 6 in 1 supersim work in Wizard?

Hi,
Was looking at the twin sim option but seem the same seller on ebay is offering this:-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Universal-6-N...836681504QQcategoryZ67966QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
Universal 6 Number in 1 Sim Card for GSM Mobile Phone
Looks like it could stop having the bulge on rear of phone that the twin sim causes.
Any comments on whether it may work?
Scott

That looks neat - however, I have been told that this sort of thing won't work on UK SIMS due to the encryption standard we use (or something like that - sorry to be vague)
I've emailed the seller to ask him if it'll work with UK sims, and will let you know. If it does, I'll try one in the T-Mobile Vario (Wizard).

It is a UK seller so I guess it will work on UK SIMs.

Just got an email from the seller saying:-
The software is only standard STK menu
So - I doubt there is software for Windows Mobile device but I would loved to be proved wrong
Scott

yes, you'd think so wouldn't you...
From googling around, it appears that all supersims have a restriction that they only work with V1 and V1+ SIM cards. Not V2...
...and apparently all recent UK sims are "V2". I'm afraid I'm just passing on info from this forum, and have no way of checking what sims are v1 or v2. If someone will let me know how to check, I will do for o2 and t-mobile sims that I have

slewis1972: be very careful. As indicated, 6in1 are sim copiers, that require cracking the encryption on the sim before they can host the copy.
If this cracking doesn't work, it's destructive AFAIK. So, you'll be left without a sim. They work only on older Cellnet era sims (in the UK) and ok in some foreign countries.
I've posted on a £4 sim cut dual sim from ebay. Works well on Magician.
Hope that helps.
V

STK menu means SIM Toolkit. STK is a way for SIM cards to have their own menu with special functions on mobile phones.
This is not used much by UK operators, but it is very used elsewhere. You simply get an additional menu in your mobile phone.
This is also supported by Jams and Wizards of course, as it is a standard feature of SIM cards. One of my SIM cards have a STK menu, and it appears perfectly on the Wizard (and previously on Jam).
The problem is whether the PC software will be able to copy the data residing in our SIM cards, whether UK or non-UK. In theory, if our mobile phone can read this data, then why shouldn't this kit be able to do it.
We need more answers from the vendor. It might actually work.

A bit more research: there's no current sim copiers that can "crack" the encryption on a V2 SIM, although sim max are apparently working on it.
Every card in the last 2 years - possibly longer - has been a v2 card.
again, I'd love to be wrong as I'd love this to work, but I think it's sorta doomed

Thanks for your research.
I am waiting for an answer from the vendor, but I have also sent emails to one of his previous customers. There are also guys in the UK among his previous customers.
In any case, I do not get the argument related to encryption. Any mobile phone can read the data on any SIM, as long as you give it the correct PIN number. The encryption might be an issue if someone tries to crack the SIM without knowing the PIN code, but in this case, we all know the PIN codes of our SIMs, so why shouldn't this device be able to read the content of our SIM cards...
Anyway, let's see what the vendor will reply. He is got excellent eBay feedback by the way, and many have bought this 6 in 1 super SIM...

Sirox, I suggest you do some detailed reading on this before you risk a SIM on it. There's a great difference between getting the sim PIN and this procedure. This requires you to crack the encryption of the SIM itself and clone it, and then emulate it back from the clone card.
This is not something most Operators like (although some operators will provide you with a second sim to use simultaneously if you ask).
v1 cards had a weak encryption.
v2 cards (current) are hard, if not impossible to crack, AFAIK.
http://www.gsm-talk.com/t227735p1-please-help-cloning-uk-sim.htm
From http://ucables.com/ref/SIM-SCAN
some cards can be destroyed using this function!!! especially prepaid cards!!! because they have limited running of a38 from 10000 to 65536 times and after that a38 do not work anymore!!!
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Hi Vijay,
Thanks for your info.
The vendor has replied to me saying that this product supports V1 and some V2 type SIM cards, about 98% of SIM cards around. And you have to note that UK GSM providers have never been particularly up for high technology, compared for example to Italian GSM providers who use much more advanced SIM cards, with lots of menus, and 128K, etc.
What I have done, I have written messages to 6 UK-based people who have bought this stuff on eBay (all with positive feedback), asking them to report back how it works and which GSM providers they use. I believe this is the best way of solving the issue.
In any case, I am not at all interested in cloning my SIM card per se, as this would be easily done by asking the operator for a duplicate for car usage. I am only interested in having my 2-3 SIM cards (of different countries) in one, without needing to swap them.
I will report here when I receive answers from those previous customers.

Maybe this can help you ...
Explain how to distinguish V1 from V2 SIM card ...
http://www.nowgsm.com/supersim.htm
16 in 1 SIM
Take care about the NOTE : Work near 100% on V1 card but incompatible with V2 ...
Regards
Asmo

Thanks for the info and the link!
The product mentioned in your link seems to have different specs from the one that originated this thread, as this one declares that it can read some V2 cards too.
By the way, the indication in the note might be useful. It says that if the SIM supports more than 250 numbers it may not be compatible. As a matter of fact, my Vodafone UK (contract) SIM card has only 200 slots, so it might be COMP128V1, therefore compatible.
As I said earlier, UK operators do not tend to use latest technology. In Italy for example, GSM operators made big marketing campaigns a couple of year ago for the new 64K SIM cards. Now they are doing it with the 128K SIM cards, while in the UK I think they are all still 16K or 32K. And they do not use the SIM Toolkit features.
By the way, a couple of eBay customers have already replied that they haven't received the stuff yet, but will let me know when they receive it.

NFC enabled SGS II for Orange (U.K)

Just to let you guys know who haven't bought a SGS II yet.
NFC enabled SGS II for Orange (U.K) will be arriving in two weeks time 2nd June.
Also note that it will be coming with Super awesome Orange branding and firmware which everyone likes... > ... -.-

NFC model is exclusive to Orange then?
I was hoping for an NFC enabled sim-free handset

Better late than never (now if only it was the 32Gb version).

The guy wasn't sure about the internal memory size however he was sure that it did come with NFC. Well at least he knew it stood for Near field communications.

NFC launched today in the U.K
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-05/20/orange-and-barclaycard-nfc
take a look at this guys.
Samsung Tocco lite??!?!? Are you kidding me?
"A Quick Tap-enabled version of the Samsung Tocco Lite goes on sale in the UK today on pay as you go or contract."
Hmm so NFC must be hardware enabled then. But looking at the Samsung Tocco at Samsung's official site, doesn't seem to have anything regarding NFC on its specs.
This is really confusing. Might have to pop-in and ask.

I thought NFC could be a SIM function as well . My works card uses NFC and that is just SIM . Could it be possible for carriers to supply NFC SIMs?

Orange have said they are bringing out sim card based NFC this year

The NFC built into the phone is slightly different than what's in card. SGS2's NFC can be used for more than just paying bills

Orange are building NFC into the SIM and it has all the same functions as NFC on the Nexus S, Galaxy S etc. It can make mobile payments, read tags, write tags etc.
The only difference between the new Tocco Lite and old one is that it comes with the .JAR file that is needed to use the SIM's new fuctions (namely mobile payments). My guess is you could extract that and as Android runs .JAR files use the Quick Tap SIM.
It's because of this that I'm not entirely sure why NFC built into phones is needed now. Seems redundant and I like the fact that I can slot my SIM into any phone and keep my balance and tags etc.

finally
maybe we can import the nfc enabled galaxy s 2. too bad it is orange branded, but that can be solved with installing a different firmware.

This is probably why:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12287009

So you need to have Orange to be able to use NFC? What if you have an imported Galaxy SII without contract, can you still use NFC in UK just the same way as Orange is planning to offer it?

The orange website does not list NFC as a feature on their website
shop.orange.co.uk/mobile-phones/samsung-galaxy-SII
SIM based NFC is NOT the same same as NFC device. The SIM is simply like having a contact-less credit card from orange stuck onto the back of the case of your phone

Good evening,
So how do I know if my device is NFC enabled ? I've just upgraded my phone with Orange and received a wonderful (Orange-branded!) Galaxy S2. There's a 7 day period in which I can give it back. Would rather have NFC enabled but searched around a bit and it's not terribly clear how you can tell.
Thanks in advance.

If you goto the settings menu you will have enable/disable options like with bluetooth, wifi etc

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If you goto the settings menu you will have enable/disable options like with bluetooth, wifi etc
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Thanks. It doesn't seem to refer to NFC anywhere in Settings.

Non-NFC - i9100 and 8mm thick.
NFC - i9110 and 8.5mm thick.

I'm not aware of any NFC SGS2's in the UK now. It would be all over the news sites if they were here.

Well, you all shouldn't care, there will be sdcards, with nfc chips, soon...
//read it on engadget.com but didn't find it atm :-S

i'd rather wait for the iphone 5. I'm tired of the data dropping out on my Galazy 2 and i'm tired of having to flash another just to fix a phone that at the price it sells for, should work. Samsung release these phones with too many problems, if it isn't freezing something to prevent battery drain, it's doing something else. Why bother waiting for NFC on a samsung, it will only be another problem that needs fixing.

NFC Sim/MobilePay/SmartPay

Hello,
can someone please verify MobilPay/Smartpay on a ZTE Axon 7 (A2017G/B03 or B05) with the following App please?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.psa.app.bawag
Understanding german would help a lot
I have a NFC enabled SimCard but the App refuses to use it - it says that the SimCard cannot be read and/or is not NFC enabled.
But if i put the Sim in a Samsung S4 the App says everything is alright and i could activate my mobile cash dispenser card.
So i would like to know if my phone is broken or maybe the software parts are not working well.
It would be awesome if someone could find out more why this is not working. E.h. Android Version, Mipop, HW Design, Dual Simslot ... whatever
To install and just check if you are nfc ready you do not need a valid bank account for bawag psk.
The only thing you need is a NFC Simcard and a ZTE Axon7 A2017G.
Thanks a lot!
Best regards
sonypsx

My guess would be the phone doesn't support it.

That would be really sad!
Maybe some of the developers or ZTE Support could prove this?
As i understood there must be a wire directly from the NFC Chip to the SimCard.
So there are some more questions to answer:
.) is the OS including the modifications from ZTE supporting it
.) which Sim should equiped with NFC (Sim1 or Sim2)
.) is that needed hardwire in place
Best regards
sonypsx

Just installed the app and, from what I could understand, my NFC-SIM can't be detected.
I also tried Vodafone's Wallet app and it can't read Vodafone's NFC-SIM.
Oh well...

[email protected]
So it seems to be that it is not just my phone...
Maybe someone could bother ZTE with this?
It would be very interesting if someone with a alternative ROM could verify this functionality so we can figure out if its only the software or it is hardware related.
Thanks in advance!
Best regars
sonypsx

Hi,
I live in The Netherlands where KPN also provides an NFC sim to work directly together with the Rabobank NFC payment app. This DOES work perfectly for me. When switching to the NFC sim to do mobile payments, the app indicated a separate NFC support tool needed to be installed (NFC Manager, from KPN Consulting). I also had to select a specific entry to pay with the NFC Sim in the Tap & Pay settings in the all settings menu. And finally, you need to have NFC enabled on your phone to allow it.
I previously had a Samsung Note 3 which was natively supported via its NFC, but the Axon actually works faster and better with the NFC Sim than my old Note 3. Quite happy with it.
I have the A2017G on B03.

I've reached Vodafone Spain about this subject and they got back with the following:
(...)we regret to inform you that your smartphone isn't certified to use with Vodafone Wallet, meaning you can only use it to access loyalty cards and store points.(...)
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I won't bother with Vodafone Spain as I'm returning to my country in a month or so, but I will query Vodafone Portugal once I get a new NFC-SIM from them and will update this post asap.
gschot said:
Hi,
I live in The Netherlands where KPN also provides an NFC sim to work directly together with the Rabobank NFC payment app. This DOES work perfectly for me. When switching to the NFC sim to do mobile payments, the app indicated a separate NFC support tool needed to be installed (NFC Manager, from KPN Consulting). I also had to select a specific entry to pay with the NFC Sim in the Tap & Pay settings in the all settings menu. And finally, you need to have NFC enabled on your phone to allow it.
I previously had a Samsung Note 3 which was natively supported via its NFC, but the Axon actually works faster and better with the NFC Sim than my old Note 3. Quite happy with it.
I have the A2017G on B03.
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Exactly, my guess is that some operators are still enabling the Axon 7 to their DB, as this model is new and unknown to most.
This sounds like a great solution for us without Android Pay support.

Im in the Netherlands as well. For use with the ABNAMRO wallet app there is no nfc enabled simcard needed. This phone does it out of the box with it's own nfc chip! Works like a charm!
Sent from my ZTE A2017G using XDA-Developers mobile app

gschot said:
Hi,
I live in The Netherlands where KPN also provides an NFC sim to work directly together with the Rabobank NFC payment app. This DOES work perfectly for me. When switching to the NFC sim to do mobile payments, the app indicated a separate NFC support tool needed to be installed (NFC Manager, from KPN Consulting). I also had to select a specific entry to pay with the NFC Sim in the Tap & Pay settings in the all settings menu. And finally, you need to have NFC enabled on your phone to allow it.
I previously had a Samsung Note 3 which was natively supported via its NFC, but the Axon actually works faster and better with the NFC Sim than my old Note 3. Quite happy with it.
I have the A2017G on B03.
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I have a Axon7 with KPN NFC SIM but I can't get mine to work. I selected the Rabo Wallet for NFC SIM in Tap & Pay settings and enabled but the NFC manager app keeps saying 'device doesn't support NFC SIM'.
I am running LineageOS though, and have Chinese Axon7, so maybe that's why it's different.

Dual SIM Usage

I purchased (what I think) a US dual-SIM version of this phone for a senior from a local vendor, Canada Computers.
I'd like to have this phone set-up with one of the SIMs for calling-only from one carrier and the other SIM for internet Data-only from another carrier as this is the most cost-effective means given this persons overall phone usage and the plans that are available to them.
I have however come across a few references that the second SIM isn't a "true" SIM slot and that this phone can't be set-up in this manner,
Can anyone confirm that the above set-up should work? I haven't opened the box yet and might return it if it isn't possible.
:fingers-crossed:

bobor9 said:
I purchased (what I think) a US dual-SIM version of this phone for a senior from a local vendor, Canada Computers.
I'd like to have this phone set-up with one of the SIMs for calling-only from one carrier and the other SIM for internet Data-only from another carrier as this is the most cost-effective means given this persons overall phone usage and the plans that are available to them.
I have however come across a few references that the second SIM isn't a "true" SIM slot and that this phone can't be set-up in this manner,
Can anyone confirm that the above set-up should work? I haven't opened the box yet and might return it if it isn't possible.
:fingers-crossed:
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It seems that Canada Computers has acquired a large stock of these phones and is selling them for CDN $139. The question is: Where did they come from?
There is a version of this phone that was customized for the Bell network and sold by PC Mobile and Lucky Mobile. On that version the second slot works only with a microSD card; the SIM function is disabled.
PC Mobile and Lucky Mobile have discontinued selling that phone and perhaps Canada Computers has bought their remaining stock.
If you post a picture of the label on the back of the box (or maybe the UPC is enough) maybe someone on this forum can tell you if you have that version.

Thanks qzjxk - wasn't aware that Bell had dual SIM versions blocked. I'll post a pic when I get home.
Noticed the description on Canada Computers website itself is quite vague:
Not one but two
With two SIM card slots, the Axon 7 Mini travels with you to wherever the world wants to take you. Capture your entire journey with the 128GB MicroSD card slot, providing expandable memory whenever you need it.