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Sim EMU

Did a search for SD cards and it came up with a SIM EMU post on this site. So going off topic, whats SIM EMU, what can it do for me, where can i get it (tried the link, that didn't work, tried a search and most of the sites aren'ti n english)
Seems like you can put more than one number on a card and switch without having to turn the phone off. Any further input, sounds like it could be good.

Will not work in UK, I found to my cost after destroying 2 sim cards. There is another twin sim holder that works with xda2 though, you just switch off and on when you wish to change sims.

Simemu is indeed a very good way to have up to eight numbers/accounts on one sim card. You select which one to use by pin number, so no more swapping cards over. It works fine in the XDA and just about any other unlocked phone.
The hard part is getting the needed info out of your original sim card. This is called the "Ki" and needs to be extracted. In the UK this has only been possible with all Orange and some O2 cards, never with Vodafone.
In the last year or so, some sims have appeared with a limit on the number of cycles they will run before self destructing, so attempting to extract the Ki can harm the card.
So it all depends on what networks you want to use and how old your sims are.

So can this be done with orange UK sims? My sims are about 4 years old, i have one thats much older, but i cancelled the contract on that so presumably disabled. Also have a couple of active PAYG sims.
I'd be interested to merge the new contract i have with an old number on the same card, would be useful.
I'm currently using everyphone divert, but it diverts all the time, even when my new [hone is off and old one is on. Annoying.
Other pain is it doesn't divert SMS, so i quite often miss them.

Yes, UK Orange cards of this age should be easy to extract the Ki from, payg or contract.
Also if you manage to get the Ki from the de-activated card, you should be able to get Orange to turn it back on as a payg or something.
Remember that only one number can be active at any one time, and you must never have the original sim turned on in another phone while using the copy of it in the multi sim.

Thanks for your replys kerr.
Have you done this yourself? Do you have any links of where i can find out information on how to effeectively try it and get it done?
All i'm looking for is that i have a sim with a great number. Its on orange no monthly tariff (i just pay for calls and just get a bill when i use it) Thats great for me as i hardly use it.
Then i got a new phone on contract (as it was way cheaper than upgrade). I've set up an everyphone divert from my old number to this one, but that annoys me as even with new one off and old one on, it still diverts. Shame.
So if i could get both numbers on the same sim that would be great, in principal! I get my number that i like, and i can quickly swith to new number to make calls (as its got free minutes). After the year contract is up i'll dump the new number anyway.
Whay can't you have the original sim on if its cloned?
Cheers

If you have the original sim switched on at the same time as the clone the system will know about it and you will probaly end up with a zapped sim courtesy of your provider.

there has to be a way around that :wink:

Have you done this yourself?
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Yes, I made a card about 2 1/2 years ago which contains:-
1X O2 Anytime account
1X O2 Offpeak account
1X Genie PAYT
3X Orange PAYT with different off peak times chosen
1X Spanish PAYT
1X Greek PAYT
It has worked fine in every phone I have tried it in.
Whay can't you have the original sim on if its cloned?
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You must not have them both on at the same time because they will both log onto the network and appear to be some kind of fraud attempt. (Somone else trying to use your account)
You really need to programme the card yourself rather than get it done because the last thing you would want is anyone else knowing your Ki.
To do this you would need a phoenix, a pic programmer and a blank silver card. All the software is free.

That sounds like one action packed card!
It would be useful just to have a couple of numbers on there, but you seem to be making the most of it!
Where can the exquipment be bought, borrowed? Is it readily available and cheap?
I see what you mean about someone else having the details. Could be a bit dodgy.
So this method is a bit like having a double sim car thing, but instead of having to turn the machine on and off, you can just put in a pin number.
With the XDA II tho, would the double sim card thing work if you turned flight mode off then on, would that switch the sims? Where can a double sim holder be got from

If you know anyone who is into Satellite Television, they will almost certainly have everything you need to do the job.
If you need to buy take a look at www.interesting-devices.com or www.maxking.co.uk. You could also look in the sat section on ebay.
If you go for a multi programmer like a Mastera, it would be all that is needed in one. See www.mcsat.co.uk.
When you change between numbers the phone does a soft reset, so I imagine flight mode on/off would have the same effect on a twin sim.

Using Supersim
Hello,
i read somewere that's impossible with new sim to read the Ki code of the sim because this code is read-protected.
Tring to read this you can destroy the sim.
It's correct?
I have an italian sim by vodafone!
Thanks for the reply.
Davide

Yes, that's right. Most of the newest SIM cards has a newer algorithm, so u cannot clone it. I don't know about your SIM card, maybe you have an old one. However, if U have 250 entry names in your phonebook, than it's probably new one and it could not be read, but do not be afraid to destroy it..., that will happen if U'l try to read it a few hours again and again....hope this helps!
Regards!
P.S.:
All backUp function support A3A8 COMP128V1 SIM Card only.
This SIM Card Back-UP device doesn't support newest SIM Card that uses COMP128V2 algorythm to code KI key.
Some GSM SIM Cards from 2001 (COMP128V1) are Scan-Limited. It has limited running scan 65536 times. If the scan is over 65536, the SIM Card will be locked. This SIM Card will not work any more.

All backUp function support A3A8 COMP128V1 SIM Card only.
This SIM Card Back-UP device doesn't support newest SIM Card that uses COMP128V2 algorythm to code KI key.
Some GSM SIM Cards from 2001 (COMP128V1) are Scan-Limited. It has limited running scan 65536 times. If the scan is over 65536, the SIM Card will be locked. This SIM Card will not work any more.
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Hello,
i read somewere that's impossible with new sim to read the Ki code of the sim because this code is read-protected.
Tring to read this you can destroy the sim.
It's correct?
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Ki is stored in SIM card like CHV in respective file, but in Ki file's header all permission bytes are FF, e. g. it is impossible to read/write etc. with this file from external. From internal (COS) it is possible to read... the SIM do this when it calculate SRES+Kc

2 Sims ?

Any one tried any kind of solution to have two sims installed ? Software / Hardware ?
Terran

Hardware
the one where you have to cut the sim out and stick it into a single SIM.
then you will have to turned on flight mode and turned it of when you want to switch
work great for me (Qtek S100, S110 and now 9100-wizard)
See ya

Has anyone tried the 'king of double card'type dual sim adapters in the Wizard. I have one in my Himalaya and I heard that there is also enough room in the Magician. Would like to know if it also fits into the Wizard (planing to buy one) because I do not like to cut my sims!

Hi bruxelles5
i couldn't understand you bruxelles5 !! would explain it ? thank you in advance

You cut the chips out from two of your existing SIMs and insert them into a special holder that a fits in your phone's SIM slot.
Each time your turn the phone on and off (or use flight mode) it switches between SIMs.
An example here http://duosim.com/.
Another type gives you an extra menu on supported phones to switch numbers without having to turn it on/off.
Note - I've never used any of these gadgets so YMMV. And cutting up your SIM risks damaging it permanently.

I use a SuperSIM card that lets me store up to 12 different sims on the one sim card. It came with a reader that lets you copy your individual sims to the computer, then copy them all to the SuperSIM. Works fine on the Wizard.

Hey mitchelo,
This supersim sounds interesting. How do you switch from one sim to another using your Wizard?

Mitchello wrote
I use a SuperSIM card that lets me store up to 12 different sims on the one sim card. It came with a reader that lets you copy your individual sims to the computer, then copy them all to the SuperSIM. Works fine on the Wizard.
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Wow! that sounds like a neat piece of kit!...
I uesd a dual sim holder and this sim switching software on my xda 2s.
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=19046
Worked pretty well, although beta version did not always pick up one of the telephone numbers. They may have fixed this in the 1.0 version.. You can download the trial and see if it works on the wizard. I have not tried it yet..
Regards
Chris

The SuperSIM has a menu that lets you choose between the 12 numbers. It appears as an icon in the programs list. Just click it and you will get the menu.
I have a Telstra and Optus SIM on my supersim.
(P.S. this message was sent from my K-JAM )

Looks like a good bit of kit. Checked the web site out and it looks like it sells for $45 plus shipping. One question though. It talks about only being comaptible with sims that have a couple of different 'formats/protocl' (for want of better words) I am cluless as to what this is for Tmobile USA and 02. Can you shed any light on if I might have a compatibility issue using it?
Many thanks!
Chris

There are some sims that this won't work with. For example I can't use vodafone sim cards with it. I did some searching online before I bought, and knew that voda wouldn't work.
As the expression goes, 'google it'

ok, many thanks, will do. Probably better than trying customer care eh

@cbrow51:
Search the internet for any Ki extractor or a software called Cardinal (can't remember the link).
Extracting the Ki from your sim is the first step you need to create a backup. As of today we are able to extract that value from Comp128V1 cards only. SuperSim and similars are able to emulate these type of cards.
So, give that software a try. If it is able to extract the Ki, feel free to purchase the supersim or whatever.
Save your money for a dinner with your partner, if the software fails.
I hope it does help.
Silver.

You have to have a SIM reader that comes with the SuperSIM to check the Ki. Just google your service provider with something like "{your carrier} supersim". Worked for me.

Almost true, mitchello...
My dearest old smart mouse did his job seamlessly.
Furthermore some of the tools I am talking about are free.
When I was working for another company, I used to carry two mobiles with me. Until I found SIMEMU (still largely available for free on the net) coupled with a set of completely free tools that allowed me to backup my two SIMs into just one.
Search the net for SIMEMU... you'll see that the SuperSIM guy has reinvented the weel... getting payed for his efforts !
C'ya mate.

hi there. where did you buy this super sim and how would i find its compatability with uk network sim cards
cheers

I got mine on eBay. Ask the seller about compatibility, or look on Google.

hi there. thanks for the prompt reply. do you remember who the seller was on ebay. help much appreciated. cheers.

I got mine from a seller called "memoryku". He has several auctions like this one atm:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SUPER-DUAL-M...832609382QQcategoryZ10364QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

These only work with comp128 - v1 cards.
UK cards are not this so it won't work

Cloning the O2 sim for use in another phone

A little off topic, I know, but has anybody been able to use something like this --> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9104458427&sspagename=ADME:L:RTQ:UK:1&rd=1 to make a copy of their Exec's O2 sim for us in another phone for situations where the exec isn't appropriate?
It would be handy to have a second phone for use when I don't want to take the Exec without having to keep swapping the sim.
Cheers,
Steve.

these wont work for the exec, because you will receive a 3g card from o2. this package looks like it will only take standard gsm sims ie 2 and 2.5g. also, i think the new sims in general are not "crackable" at this point.

Doesn't O2 offer this as a LEGAL service?
The SIM in your phone is probably legally defined as O2 property, and they've probably not agreed to copying of their product.
If you read all of the fine print, you'll probably see some stuff about this.
But, yes: It's nice..

2 sims - one number
They're working on it.
The ebay item doesn't claim to be able to actually clone a SIM card though, just backup up or consolidate if you have multiple SIMs.

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They're working on it.
The ebay item doesn't claim to be able to actually clone a SIM card though, just backup up or consolidate if you have multiple SIMs.
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No, but if you can select between 16 numbers to use, then surely, it's like copying 16 sims into 1? Even if I were to only copy 1 sim, if it could act as if it were that sim in another phone, then that would do the job.
Cheers,
Steve.

There is a slight problem in all of this. You cannot have to sims logged on using the same MISDN . So all that would happen is the operator would be alerted to the fact that 2 sims were trying to usre the same MISDN and you would be put into the fraud management system and the phone might be disconnected.
When people scan and clone phones they do not use the phone on standby for long periods of time they simply make a few calls and switch off. Unless they time it when the real user is logged on and tries to make a call it is unlikely to be picked up.
Also it will vconfuse the HLR in the gsm network .
So all in all onot a good idea.
Charlie

Hm? Back home in the Netherlands we used to be able to get two SIMs with the same number from our providers... The idea was, you had one in your built-in car phone, and one in your portable handset; when you got out of the car, switch that phone off, and the other one on, and it'll register the other SIM, and hey presto! You could not use both SIMs at the same time, ofcourse.

I bought one, THEN read up on the facts (doh!)
There is no de-cryption algorithm for any SIM cards supplied in the UK over the last 2-4 years. True, the old SIMs could be copied, but the v.2 system cannot.
Still, it is a nice piece of kit for reading your SIM contacts over USB, and didn't cost a fortune.
I'm actually quite pleased that SIMs are this secure, 'cos I wouldn't want them easily copyable by the bad guys.

I bought one, THEN read up on the facts (doh!)
There is no de-cryption algorithm for any SIM cards supplied in the UK over the last 2-4 years. True, the old SIMs could be copied, but the v.2 system cannot.
Still, it is a nice piece of kit for reading your SIM contacts over USB, and didn't cost a fortune.
I'm actually quite pleased that SIMs are this secure, 'cos I wouldn't want them easily copyable by the bad guys.

In the Nehterlands I know that KPN and t-Mobile offer dual sims, the problem is as mentioned here already that you can not use them both at the same time. Also if you have 3G sim the second sim you get is not 3G. those are the rules by KPN.
I used to live in Israel and there Orange gives out dua sims where you can keep both phones on. On the incoming call both phones ring at the same time and you can decide which to pick up. The SMS trafic thought goes to the phone which was turned on first. The way they are doing this is by giving both sims an extra GHOST number which used to start with a Zero. then what they did was simply forward the calls between two sims. They had a huge blunder though: Forwarding officially costs money but in this case it has to be free, so they by mistake on their first couple of bill specifications posted the forwarding calls with Zero as charge, thus I was able to know what are the ghost numbers and call between the phones completely for free. It did mean that the you could call the the ghost numbers only from those 2 phones and not any other phone, kind of internal cirquit. So we enjoyed it very much since my wife and me just used those two phones and comunications between these two was free of charge.
So as you see technicaly it is possible to make both phones ring at the same time....

Usim in m700 -UK

I thinking of purchasing this handset. but would like to know if the 3 network sim would work in this 3g handset.
Has anyone tried or could try it, if have you have access to a 3 network sim.
You will have to have mske sure your handset is sim unlocked. ??lokiwiz worked for my m600
sorry cant send you a sim to try!
thanks
abu yahya

SIM's from the 3 network still don't work in 'non 3' devices despite them now being the same physical size as other networks SIMs
One of our members on my other forum had the same query, and tested it to no avail earlier this year

thanks for the info
abuyahya

usim -3 network
will a 3 network sim work in any 3 branded phone are are they EMEI locked to that specific phone?
We might have to start unlocking sim cards too?!
Abu Yahya

I think you are on safer ground there!
Older 3 phones won't accept current 3 SIMs because the original 3 phones used a different sized SIM card, but later ones should be OK.
I can't imagine they would lock a SIM to a handset- they had so many device failures in the early years that it would have been a nightmare to manage all the IMEI locking!
Only the recent X-Series of 3 phones are capable of some of the more advanced connectivity services.

Three UK SIMs have an application running on the SIM that looks for a partner application on the handset. If you put it in a non three handset (Which doesn't have the partner application) then the SIM won't work.
HOWEVER!!!, Three UK use two types of SIMs. One type is an Axalto model, and you will see something similar to AX7021 in small letters on one side of the SIM.
The other is a Gemplus Model, which usually has GP7017 on it instead. (The AX and the GP being the critical part, although the above number seem to be the latest incarnations of them)
The Axalto SIM's have the application on it, and the Gemplus ones do not.
Therefore....the Gemplus SIMs will work in a non Three handset.
Persuading Three to send you a Gemplus SIM is the difficult part however, cos the idiots they employ in their Indian call centres wouldn't know what you are talking about, and in general the Gemplus SIMs are only for datacards, which by their nature cannot carry the application. They will usually refuse to send a Gemplus SIM to anyone without a datacard, and they also usually refuse to provision a Gemplus SIM for anything other than Data only tarriffs, even if you can get them to send you one.
Hope that explains things a bit better.

Excellent information- thanks. Explains a lot!

the phone partner application, any ideas if we could extract it and thus install it on phones such as the trinity and thereby getting the Ax7020 sim to work.

no idea i'm afraid. If someone could get hold of a 3UK Qtek 9000 we might stand a chance...

Dual SIM Usage

I purchased (what I think) a US dual-SIM version of this phone for a senior from a local vendor, Canada Computers.
I'd like to have this phone set-up with one of the SIMs for calling-only from one carrier and the other SIM for internet Data-only from another carrier as this is the most cost-effective means given this persons overall phone usage and the plans that are available to them.
I have however come across a few references that the second SIM isn't a "true" SIM slot and that this phone can't be set-up in this manner,
Can anyone confirm that the above set-up should work? I haven't opened the box yet and might return it if it isn't possible.
:fingers-crossed:

bobor9 said:
I purchased (what I think) a US dual-SIM version of this phone for a senior from a local vendor, Canada Computers.
I'd like to have this phone set-up with one of the SIMs for calling-only from one carrier and the other SIM for internet Data-only from another carrier as this is the most cost-effective means given this persons overall phone usage and the plans that are available to them.
I have however come across a few references that the second SIM isn't a "true" SIM slot and that this phone can't be set-up in this manner,
Can anyone confirm that the above set-up should work? I haven't opened the box yet and might return it if it isn't possible.
:fingers-crossed:
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It seems that Canada Computers has acquired a large stock of these phones and is selling them for CDN $139. The question is: Where did they come from?
There is a version of this phone that was customized for the Bell network and sold by PC Mobile and Lucky Mobile. On that version the second slot works only with a microSD card; the SIM function is disabled.
PC Mobile and Lucky Mobile have discontinued selling that phone and perhaps Canada Computers has bought their remaining stock.
If you post a picture of the label on the back of the box (or maybe the UPC is enough) maybe someone on this forum can tell you if you have that version.

Thanks qzjxk - wasn't aware that Bell had dual SIM versions blocked. I'll post a pic when I get home.
Noticed the description on Canada Computers website itself is quite vague:
Not one but two
With two SIM card slots, the Axon 7 Mini travels with you to wherever the world wants to take you. Capture your entire journey with the 128GB MicroSD card slot, providing expandable memory whenever you need it.